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Video of Bonanza THP and Treesit Spooner

by Lodgepole (treemail [at] wesavetrees.org)
We Save Trees Video of THP 05-097 "Bonanza" and the New Treesit in Nanning Creek Near Scotia! Your Help Is Vital To The Survival of theis Headwaters-esque Virgin Oldgrowth Redwood Forest!
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VIEW MOVIE BY CLICKING LINK!!! http://www.wesavetrees.org/movies/bonanza.mov

Pacific Lumber Climbers visited the treesit "Spooner" on Tuesday. Oct.18th. It appeared as though they were scoping out the sit, presumabally for extraction. The tree is Huge, and probally not climbable which means the climbers will have to toss lines in. If so, The treesitter can maneuver to these lines and cut them or toss them out before the climbers are using them to swing in. There is a window of opportunity in this way. We need to set traverses, as climbers have not extracted anyone from a long traverse. Friendly climbers Are NEEDED to help assist in the Traverses and defense of this Amazing tree and surrounding grove! The Time is NOW!!!! if not too late Call NOW 707-834-2561.

Also, an Action Alert is being called as of now to occupy the front gate in Scotia. The gate is located right by the exit on the scotia side of the freeway, between the big green bridge to Rio Dell, and the Scotia Freeway onramp. Its possible that Palco can access the THP from Shively Road as well. We need to be montoring these roads Every Morn (especially tomorrow, Wed.) to watch for climbers. Direct action at the gate or at the Mill IS HIGHLY NEEDED!!! Again CALL NOW!!! 707-834-2561

There is alot of info about the THP "Bonanza" the Environment Page of Indymedia! Also, the movie is viewable at wesavetrees.org!

MAY THE FOREST BE WITH US!!!
If so...its up too us...ACT NOW!!!
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by b
Well that was a non-event. Everyone sleep in? Protesters just ain't what they used to be.
by aspen
Safety is critical in the forest defense movement, and I have a feeling "Spooner" is not a safe situation. Treesits are a good media gimmick, but they have rarely proven effective. More often than not they just fuel white privileged activists sense of domination and control. They can't control the forest getting cut, but they can control the flow of resources, and make themselves feel like "the forest is with them" etc. Forest Defenders need to get over their delusions of grandeur, tarzan and jane have no place in the redwoods.
by Raven (raven200 [at] gmail.com)
Keep rockin' the treetops. Show P.L. that we will fight the destruction of every single ancient tree in Northern California.

ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

--Raven
by b
Raven has not done a lick in ages. The Three Sisters are nothing more than a deck that some fat old dude is doing his trophy wife on. Good move Raven. Fool
by lets get it together people!
To many times have I seen this sort of activity lead to the further destruction of our movement, and with it, the forest. Small groups irresponsible people acting out their action fantasies at the expense of the movement and in some ways the expense of the forest. When will people learn not to support abusive totalitarian non-leaders within our own movment. These people who claim there are no leaders yet consolidate power like its going out of style. Who will scream abusive words at people (or worse, get physical) but preach non-violence. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?!! You are tearing apart the very fabric of our movement and will not relent. Please allow yourselves time to heal and give space to those that would take up the struggle in an instant if they don't have to deal with your unexcusable behavior. Thank You
by Hooray for those Doing their Best...
Aspen and supporter: Wow. It seems we have a little Anti-action. Funny, seems like this is just the behavior that divided the movement in the first place. seems a little reminiscent of the ol' oppression police. Kick em while they are down. Thats the spirit. If your into dissenting the ONLY DIRECT ACTION TO PROTECT THE TREES HAPPENING AT ALL!!!

These repressive acts of division are sick. Lets get it together people....Enough Talk. Time to Act!!

There is alot of support for this tree, and the related actions. It needs all the support it can get. We are talking about a tree. It cant save itself. One thing is for sure, inaction will do nothing. Many people and groups have allready dissolved the walls that once divided them, in order to rise above that, and to remember what it is they were once working for....The Ancient Ones. Let go of the feud, the anger, the jealousy. Maybe the healing to be done lies within those who cant let go. The Forest needs all our help, and infighting wll do no good to all involved parties. Keep your eyes on the Prize, and leave your ego behind. Or the forest will surely die.
by Raven
A little hot under the collar b? Couldn't be that tunnel we dug bugged you guys? Naaaaaah...

Keep fighting the good fight brother and sister pirates. Don't let COINTELPRO/PL fools like those advising you not to direct action ruffle your feathers. Direct action gets the goods. PL is almost broke hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
by get real
boo hoo hoo... some people have made a reputation for THEMSELVES by being abusive jerks, but we're all supposed to support them because Maxxam sucks? a strong campaign is not made by allowing self rightous bullies use of [fill in the blank] issue as a excuse for tyrannical temper tantrums. Want to risk yourself and go out in the woods with people more interested in showing off thier manly heroism than building a stong movement with empowered activists? Follow the links. and then follow ther orders (cause as theyll tell you, they're the only ones who care about the trees.)

and this is not about "one tree." to stop the destruction of this large stand of murrelet habitat will take peopel working at many important tasks, not just a symbolic action around one extremely beautiful redwood.
by b
Hey if i were you (and I wake up each morning glad I am not) I would kind of be embarrased to remind everyone of the tunnel. I heard it took a month to dig it and that PL built a road around it in less than 20 minutes. I also heard that you bailed later that day when you relized what a flop it was. and I was told that a lot of activists that visited the tunnel during the training at Grizzly Creek Camp thought it was a bad idea. And no one has done it since I've heard. I didn't know the tunnel was yours, but I guess thats two strikes then. Thanks for helping to keep the score correct. Fool
by Raven
"Get real" I know what you mean by "temper tantrums." I have experienced them first hand, not fun. On the other hand, if you don't want to work with someone, just don't work with them, why try to undermine a productive sit like spooner? Why don't you set your own sit where people work 100% by consensus in positive peace and harmony all the time and lead by example?

Let the pirates do their work and show them life is easier if they aren't so aggro by your own example of peaceful positive non agressive work in the woods. Let the tree tribe affinity groups form natuarally and work fluidly without central control, for a bunch of anarchists there are some serious control trips going down.

The bottom line is people can either a) sit in town and whine and have endless meetings and be divided while the trees fall or b) get out in the woods and get the goods with some rope, beaners, blockades and lockdowns. Let's pick b) please the trees need us.
by b
".. or b) get out in the woods and get the goods with some rope, beaners, blockades and lockdowns. Let's pick b) please the trees need us."
The actions you are taking are not saving trees. It is not worth the energy you put into digging a hole for a month, except it gives you a reason to play in the woods or trees. But lets face it, its not working. Ya, you say, but PL's amost broke. Big deal. Its not your hole that did it. And you haven't saved a tree yet. EPIC does better work than you. Give them your time. Stay out of the woods. You get kids killed or hurt.
by divide and conquer, old imperialist tactic
The tunnel wasn't the problem, it was the divisiveness and lack of support following the tunnel that caused most of the problems. In fact, the tunnel was safe and could be effective in many situations, though not as effective if activists are outnumbered by climbers in the trees due to lack of supplies and support. When a treesit is cut off from community support by certain individuals in heirarchal positions, then the treesit is undermined..

Am not against using other tactics to protect the forests from Maxxam/PL's slaughter, though treesitting is still effective. Alone treesitting would not be enough, there are a great many other activists working behind the scenes to support the forests. BACH, EPIC and EF! are some examples, despite the current hijacking of the EF! mailing list by certain select individuals..

Yes, i also am an outspoken critic of the macho fraternity found in certain treesits. Not everyone in forest defense follows the code of machismo, many are sensitive to the needs of others, though there are enough macho jerks to make it a problem. That doesn't mean that we demonize the entire activist community because of a few problem individuals, possible even paid infiltrators to make treesitters look bad. This is a common tactic of the federales goon squad, no doubt Maxxam could even hire people themselves to infiltrate and wreak discord amongst the activists..

It was disturbing to witness the internal fighting over the tunnel issue, though i understand the concern about safety, yet autonomy is about giving activists the ability to decide for themselves the risks they choose to take. There was no risk of injury or accidents as the tunnel was clearly visible and surrounded by a wall. The clay substrate provided strong support to the tunnel walls, there was no crumbly shale or other risky material present at this site. The EF! non-violence code was not broken by the tunnel action despite numerous accusations by certain individuals, though yelling on the phone "I'm gonna fill in that hole!" could hardly be considered support during a raid by Maxxam/PL..

Everyone learns from their mistakes even as we mourn the losses. Maybe certain ideas are good at certain times and places, and ineffective elsewhere. People are doing what they can to defend the forests today from corporate greed and a short term profit fixation of Maxxam/PL that results in clearcut destruction of less than 5% of the remaining coastal redwoods ecosystem. A future vision is needed to restore some balance in the redwoods ecosystem and forest community post eviction of Maxxam/PL from Humboldt..

Here's some other friends who may help talking about the health risks and lack of health benefits or job security for the chokesetters (contracters for Columbia helicopters) and other contract laborers (Steve Wills truckers). Overharvesting timber to benefit Maxxam/PL's short term profit means overworked and underpaid laborers with little future job security. In the spirit of Judi Bari, we support the rights of contract workers to unionize..

luna moth

Industrial Workers of the World - One big Union!

http://www.iww.org/
by Raven
The point isn't the tunnel and it's become a distraction from discussing Spooner. I'm sincerely sorry I mentioned it and I apolagize that it has hijacked the original topic the Spooner tree sit. Great video LP.

B is obviously from PL I'm guessing "B" stands for Richard Beatis (sp?).
He's clearly worried that direct action gets the goods, that's the real point! Stay strong sisters and brothers and support ALL the tree sits, blockades, lock downs to gates and cement barrels, and everyrthing that makes PL's work of destroying Humboldt's eco-systems harder. Together in the woods we win, divided in town we lose, pretty simple.
by Disagree
I disagree with your black and white approach. It is not about either being a whiney girle man in town or being a heroic forest defender in the woods. It is not a choice between being a cry baby in babylon or a macho tree hero above reproach. This tired, old crap about those who work on something other than treesits being equal to weakness and disregard for the forest is more machismo divisivness. Get the f*ck over yourself. Walking around with a climbing harness does not elevate you to some lofty place where you get to treat people like shit with impunity.

I will not support ALL treesits, blockades or any other action just because it is happening. This kind of uncritical thinking is exactly the problem. If activist X is an abusive jerk, I don't care how big their treesit is, I won't support it, and i won't encourage others to go out in the woods and subject themselves to that person's abusive jerk behavior. Being able to climb a tree, set a treesit, or wear an earth first shirt is not an excuse to yell at, belittle or physically mistreat others, and it will definitely not build a strong movement.

Do you get it? Doing direct action doesn't mean you deserve blanket support by blind followers. The sooner people figure that out, the sooner we will be free of the little ceasers who continue to chase people away with their abusive behavior while sucking support from those who oppose Maxxam but don't understand the destructiveness and futility of the macho fraternity situation.
by Raven
Who said anything about a climbing harness? I am a "girlie man" who doesn't like climbing too terribly much at all, of course we need people tabling, doing ground support, manning blockades and getting arrested, doing jail support, gathering food and clothes, doing the office work neccesary to hold the storage space, doing media outreach, and yes tree sitting for those who excel at it.

What we don't need are people trying to tear down sits and blockades that work (don't we have enough problems with PL goons?), and spending endless time in meetings that aren't about getting the goods like lockdown devices, rope, beaners, water bottles, or planning the logistics of future campaigns, or doing the work neccesary to hold the storage space, etc. Witchunts are really draining of the limited time we have on the planet to be forest defenders.

Are some people obnoxious? Yes totally, I myself have difficulty working with the certain obnoxious people sometimes, but if I don't feel like working with them, I just don't work with them, I don't try to eliminate them in some quest for ulltimate purity. People should be told what's up about obnoxious people and then be allowed to make their own decsions whether to work with them or not like the big boys and grrrrrrls we all are. Like it or not affinity groups don't need parents, bosses, captains, or pseudo governance from town. The trees need US, remember the trees?
by Raven
Back on topic Spooner. Does anyone have an update of how it's going out in the woods? Anthing people can do to help, upcoming events, etc? I again apolagize for being part of the problem of getting the thread off topic.
by on topic
we don't need " pseudo governance" from wingnuts in the woods either.

you're right. people should be forwarned about oppressive, obnoxious behavior. that's what this thread appears to be. people can choose between the opposing viewpoiints of supporting "ALL tree sits" as you suggested or being forewarned about being used and abused for a good cause.

by b
Not PL and really am not bettis. Nice try girlie man. Now go crawl back in your tunnel.
by b
It's posts like this from the Wesavetrees.org post that demonstrate the split between the Macho Sitter group, from the people that are actually working behind the closed doors mostly to avoid being spit on by their friends.

"Negativiity Not Helping!
by Proud supporter! Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2005 at 12:44 AM

The people doing these actions are far braver, nobler activists that sit at home, and NAYSAY those doing the real work! Southern Humboldt is Very Supportive of these actions, and these activists. We know who you are and we are impressed and thankful. Keep up the good work!

P.S. The negativity directed at these people makes me sick. We all know you are not so perfect yourself. Maybe if you were doing something besides ngatively impacting the movement and the chances of this forest surviving, people would respect you again. Until then, your just a armchair talktavist. Have you ever even been to the backwoods?

Remember Redway Ridge!"

So don't sit down in that armchair ya big ole energy sucking negitivist lazy talktavist. Or Proud Supporter will be after you next.
If b is telling the truth he is not P.L. (admittedly that would be a first seeing as P.L.'s record for truth telling is less than zero) and he is definitely not a forest activist using sexist terms like "trophy wife" then the logical conclusion is that "B" is a COINTELPRO operative cop whose entire reason for posting is to disrupt direct action forest defense. The only other plausible alternative is that "b" is a P.L. stooge lying about his identity. Keep that in mind when reading "b's" posts."
by supporter of aspen
To "we save trees"; People are not going to support someone who physically and verbaly abuses those they work/interact with on a regular basis. it doesn't matter how big the tree is or how pristine the grove. Your presence is discouraging to many dedicated activists who will not associate with you because of your violent behavior.
To Raven; I understand you're position but you are not present here I don't think you fully understand. This tree-sit is more damaging to our efforts at forest protection than it is to PL. It will cost them a little to remove the sitters but the tree is probably worth much more than that cost.
Also I will never support someone just because they are in the forest. That is absurd. I am often in the woods this is not a town vs. woods issue. There is not even enough organization for that to happen. There is hardly anyone in the woods anymore because of it.
I would like to say however that the tunnel was well constructed and safe. The fact that it was bypassed and logging commenced just means that it met the same fate as just about every road blockade on PL land to date. Thank you for the dedication you showed while you were here.

To b; You have a few good points to make and even seem to know some pretty obscure details. But most of what you have to say is offensive and personally attacking. I can see why Raven is suspicious but I don't think you're a fed, yet. Of what interest is this to you?
by b
"Keep that in mind when reading "b's" posts." Notice that Mr. Rogers doesn't refute the argument that the split exists between the sitters, but attacks me as the person showing the split. Hey Matthew, how about we discuss the points and stay on topic. As you previous noted, you do tend to wander.
by Raven (raven200 [at] gmail.com)
So did you pull that name out of the FBI database or P.L. files goon?

Forest defenders note the person arguing against the Spooner tree sit direct action IS a goon or he wouldn't have known that information as I was always very careful to only use my forest name in forest defense. Even the people sincerely arguing for healing and all that new aage hooey are doing the work of this goon for him.

Fingered Goon!!!!!!!
by b
Go to treefunk.c om,you know the one YOU add to your posts.
Go to his Moms site
Go to his Dad's site
Both are linked.
Go to his old sites. All are linked.
Go to his really bad poetry.
He puts his name there.
Duh.
by b
Sorry I was laughing so hard that I misspoke. It's treefunk.net.
Sucked you right into that one, rave... I mean Matthew.
by Raven
How do you sleep being a lying goon with a hand in the destruction of the last old growth forests on the planet? What will you tell your grand kids? Will you tell them "Yes, I was a goon who disrupted forest defense, that's why there are now only strip malls and dying tree farms as far as the eye can see." A fine legacy to leave to your kids, asswipe. When your big ass truck is rusted away and the oil is gone and their is nothing left but the ravaged environment, what then foolish goon? Will you eat your piles of money sitting on the eroded land useless for growing food?

To the heroic kids out in the woods, pay no mind to this bullshit and keep bringing the noise to the man. Lockdowns, beaners, and rope make em' nervous or they wouldn't make this effort to disrupt us. These goons win if they divide us, that is their tactic, don't let them divide us. 3 cheers to the Pirates in Spooner,

Soon P.L. will be 100% broke in receivership!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by b
As matty calls you; too the "kids" I only have this to say. Don't let this fool use you.The tools he continues to use have not worked in the past. He needs kids to feed the machine that he and his kind have built.If it was effective that would be one thing. But it has not proven to be so. The cannon fodder that moves to this area and is drafted to promote the careers of the professional activists will used and cast aside. Or looked back on as a diversion that was fun and "safe", but still "radical". Raven Rogers is not real. The trees he has saved can be counted on one finger (and thats being generous). I am not a PL goon nor Rich Bettis, nor a cop, or contellprosmolalala or any thing else that is big or scary.
but enough is enough and I am done with this thread. So do me a favor and reread these posts as a whole and tell me who is the one that is the voice of ...well not reason, but not so wigged out.
There are no leaders and no coercion in forest defense everything is done by consensus. With no leaders, no coercion, everything done by consensus and the option to leave at any time it is literally impossible for forest defenders to use anyone. I know that's hard for a goon like "B" to understand who no doubt comes from a patriarchal (c.f. his use of the gastly sexist term "trophy wife") and heirarchical orginzation like the cops or P.L. People can join or quit at any time, but please join for only united can we defeat goons like 'B" who promote the destruction of the last old growth Redwood forests on the planet.
by Raven (raven20 [at] gmail.com)
"B" has the nerve to publish my name on the internet without asking my permission while keeping his own identity 100% cloaked and he has the nerve to call me "not real." Think about it... If you are so "real" B tell us truthfully who you are, and who you work for? I have been up front and transparent about my life, are you willing to do the same?

I doubt it because you are goon who is trying to defend the morally undefendable destruction of 1,000 year old trees for the short term profit of Charles Huritwitz in Houston Texas. In the long term term it's your soul that suffers from being complicit with evil. My conscious is clear and radiant from doing the right thing, can you say the same thing for yourself?
by promotes doing nothing
What "b"'s main idea was throughout this thread was that doing nothing is better than doing something that may not work, or show immediate results. Person named "b" never suggested anything else outside of critisizm of forest defenders as ineffective media hogs who are only interested in making a name for themselves as activists..

Cynical apathy found in "b"'s position is one of the main reasons that the Bush regime is still in their position of power and influence. We are taught from an early age that standing up to authority is a bad idea. We learn in school that people can serve themselves better by getting ahead as individuals than sacrificing their personal comforts for a group (or as individuals) focused on an ethical/moral outcome that may offend someone in authority. Same follows in the business realm, me comes first, ya'll come later. Bow and scrape before the boss and you'll always have a roof over your head and food in the fridge. We have become a nation of virtual slaves for comfort. People in other countries die and starve to maintain our comfort levels. Cynical people like "b" reinforce this position by demonizing forest defenders as ineffective manipulative people who are only interested in their career as activists. Maybe the money train is still coming for some, though most of the career activists in forest defense are usually houseless and carless, hardly a characteristic of career activists. There are a few individuals who do take the path of self promotion, though they are in the minority and ironically the most disruptive to treesitters..

Maybe we need to try something new in addition to treesitting, though "b" doesn't offer any new ideas. Treesitting does save trees, even if for a few years before a raid. The loss of Aradia on Gypsy Mountain continues to plague our thoughts, how did we fuck up (self-flaggelation), or more importantly, why did support for Aradia decrease from the professional activist community??

Really i feel pity for people like "b", so full of anger and yet so unwilling to do anything about it besides scapegoat people who dare to challenge authority. Maybe some day "b" can discover that struggle was always a part of life from day one, resisting corrupt authority and tyranny throughout the centuries is why we still are here fighting today and need to continue into the future..

Hey "b", instead of putting people down for being ineffective, why not try to help resist Maxxam/PL?? Not your battle yet, eh?

luna moth
by Raven
They had to extract 3 people from Aradia herself, 4 additional activists were arrested on the ground, plus several more people showed up from town who were not arrested plus an unknown 3+? (P.L sure doesn't know and us ground rodents aren't telling) number in the tunnel.

That's probably all told at least a dozen people on Gypsy mountain that day. I don't think the problem was numbers (at least compared to other actions) but tactics. Obviously to go beyond this would be bad security culture but I just wanted to point out I thought the support for Gypsy mountain was excellent. Could we have used more people? Yes, we can ALWAYS use more people, but everyone on Gypsy mountain tried their hardest to stop the goons in a non violent fashion, and I think it was a good effort and must have cost P.L. many extra thousands of dollars to extract 3 people from Aradia, build an additional road around the tunnel, hire additional goons to chase us on the ground, bring a bulldozer to push down blockades, plus they spent MANY hours planning on how to deal with all of us, deal with bad publicity from their brutal acts, etc. Although we lost Aradia, Gypsy mountain probably cost P.L. much more time, effort, and money than any of us realize.

Aradia was continuously occupied for years. Dedicated people literally hiked MANY TONS of food and water up the mountain and this long term effort is another piece of P.L. going broke and grinding to a halt in Humboldt county. Karma is here on earth and comes around to smack those who do harm intentionally, I firmly believe.

Do we have to do better next time? Of course.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhh

Go Spooner!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do the dream catcher dance at 270 foot feet.

Love ya Pirates.
by just watching
Winning the battle
"Obviously to go beyond this would be bad security culture but I just wanted to point out I thought the support for Gypsy mountain was excellent."
But losing the war.
A recipe for failure.
by Raven
Notice I said we need to do better next time.

Note that indybay is NOT the place to discuss how to do that, do that with affinity group members you have known and trusted for a LONG time.

All I was trying to do was point out was that the long term actions on Gypsy mountain were a major thorn in P.L.'s side and to acknowlodge peoples hard work in keeping those actions going for years on end.

Again do we need to do better? We ALWAYS need to do better, while also supporting our sisters and brothers who are doing very hard work in very, very diffcult circumstances.
by concrete
thank you for the update on spooner. i'll try to find a more recent one, as i heard they did a lot of damage since i was there.

to those who think spooner isn't safe: what about sitting at 170+ feet is? how many of you have seen anything to criticise out at nanning and how many of you have positive suggestions for improvement?

to the argument about the effectiveness of this type of forest defense: this debate has raged for a long time and there has been no resolution. for my part, i am willing to accept that it may not be sufficiently efective but it is the icon of forest defense in the northwest.

i don't personaly think it's detremental; would the THP not be cut regardless of the extra attention? does it matter in what order the big trees and nesting sites are to be taken if they are going to take every healthy bigtree in the area? is this any different from waiting till murelette season ends when you're going to cut the whole plan anyway so there will be that much less nesting habbitat in future years? conversely if a grove can be saved, does it matter what approach does it?

i like the idea that there are so many diverse ideas on forest defence and hope to see them all tried. this kind of dissention amongst people who should be seeing the common purpose is senseless. everybody dosen't have to agree, but as long as the purpose is common, everybody should try to stay constructive.

how much good can we do, even trying our own respective approaches, if every comment turns into an argument that can't even keep track of it's own point or direction?

i love you all brothers and sisters;
thank you for all your dedication and energy.

peace,
justin.
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