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Six Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza incursion: report

by finally
At least six Israeli soldiers have been killed in the Gaza Strip after a landmine destroyed a troop transport military vehicle, Dubai-based Al Arabiya television has said.

According to witnesses, the vehicle was completely destroyed in the attack which occurred during an Israeli incursion into the Gaza City neighbourhood of Zeitoun, which is believed to be a stronghold of the militant Hamas group.

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Flames shoot up to the sky after an Israeli armoured carrier was blown up by Palestinian militant in Gaza May 11, 2004. At least six Israeli soldiers were killed in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) on Tuesday after a landmine blew up their military vehicle, Dubai-based Al Arabiya television said. REUTERS/Khaled al-Goulah
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Three Palestinians, at least two of them gunmen, were killed in the fighting and more than 20 people wounded, witnesses and medics said.

"A force has entered the [Zeitoun neighbourhood] and we are carrying out a pinpoint operation against the terrorist infrastructure," an Israeli military source said.

The Gaza military operation began when Israeli undercover forces sped into Zeitoun in civilian taxis and jeeps, the witnesses said.

They were later joined by tanks and armoured personnel carriers as helicopters fired their machine guns and loud explosions echoed across Gaza City.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, now preparing an amended Gaza pull out plan, has vowed to continue to strike against militant groups.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1106053.htm
§Analysis / Gaza attack will accelerate disengagement
by haaretz
Analysis / Gaza attack will accelerate disengagement

By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent

In the nine days that have passed since the Likud Party referendum on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan, Israel has absorbed a larger number of losses in the Gaza Strip than during any other period. Eleven Israelis have been killed during this period - six Israel Defense Forces soldiers and five members of the Hatuel family.

Sharon and Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz will have difficulty convincing troops to continue endangering their lives for settlements whose existence is now protected only by the efforts of settlers to sway Likud members, despite the opinion of the majority of the public.

From Mofaz's standpoint, the incident in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood Tuesday was a case of extremely unfortunate timing, coming less than two days after he said Gaza settlements were an "historic mistake," which are not included in Israel's map of security interests.

So, if there is no security interest in Gaza, what do you say to a soldier who needs to go out tonight on an ambush or needs to stand guard at the settlement of Netzarim? And what do you say to his mother?

Numerous IDF commanders in the territories have been reminded in recent days of the withdrawal from Lebanon in May 2000. The experience there remains fresh in the memories of senior commanders such as Gaza division commander Brigadier General Shmuel Zakai (who in the spring of 2000 was commander of the Golani Brigade and of the regional brigade along the northern border) as well as his current brigade commanders (who then served as infantry battalion commanders).

The waves of concern and rumors that flooded across Israel following the incomplete media reports of a military operation in Gaza reminded many of the uncertainty, even helplessness, during the IDF's last few months in Lebanon when the bad news would come through on weekly basis.

Sharon is well aware of his audience's opinion. The disaster in Gaza will accelerate Israel's disengagement from the Palestinians.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/426260.html

6 soldiers killed in Gaza; troops pour in as Strip cut in 3

By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and Agencies

Six Israel Defense Forces soldiers from the Givati Brigade's reconnaissance unit were killed in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning, when a bomb exploded under the armored personnel carrier (APC) in which they were travelling.

IDF sources said the vehicle had been carrying explosives for demolishing workshops used by Palestinian militants to manufacture weapons, which also contributed to the blast. It was part of a large-scale operation in the Gaza City neighborhood of Zeitoun when the explosion occurred.

The military wings of Islamic Jihad and Hamas - the Al-Quds Brigades and Iz a Din al-Kassam - claimed responsibility for planting the device, which was reported to weigh dozens of kilograms.

Military sources said that the terror cell apparently managed to remain undetected while planting the bomb underneath the APC.

Foreign news agencies reported that the militant groups had filmed the incident, and had targeted several armored vehicles during clashes with IDF troops.

Hamas and Jihad said Tuesday that they had body parts of the six soldiers in their possession. A joint statement by Palestinian militant groups said that demands for their return would be issued.

"We possess the remains of your bodies that were thrown into the streets of Gaza. We have our demands to hand them over to the Zionist occupier," said the statement. It did not list conditions.

Military sources said Israel has no intention of negotiating with Hamas if it does have body parts of the soldiers, Army Radio reported.

GOC Southern Command Major General Dan Harel told reporters Tuesday afternoon that IDF troops will remain in Zeitoun until their comrades' remains are recovered.

"We are checking every roof and every balcony to find the remnants of the APC and the bodies of our soldiers," Harel said during a press conference at Nahal Oz, on the Gaza border.

Israel approached the International Red Cross to help retrieve the body parts, according to Israeli diplomatic sources. Red Cross spokesman Simon Schorno said the request was accepted, and Red Cross officials are in touch with Palestinian authorities.

In the aftermath of the attack, the IDF partitioned the Gaza Strip into three sections, sealed off the Zeitoun neighborhood and sent in massive reinforcements to assist in the operation to recover the soldiers' bodies and the burned-out APC.

The troops were searching for workshops where Qassam rockets used by militants against Jewish settlements in Gaza and towns in southern Israel were being made, Harel said. Some five workshops were destroyed, according to Israel Radio.

It was the deadliest blow to IDF troops in the Palestinian territories since November 2002, when militants killed nine soldiers and three security guards in an ambush in the West Bank city of Hebron.

Car hit in IAF missile strike
On Tuesday afternoon, an Israel Air Force helicopter gunship fired a missile at a car in Gaza City, killing one person and wounding five others, witnesses said.

The car was hit in the Sajaiyeh district of Gaza City, near the area of intense fighting between IDF troops and Palestinian gunmen.

It was not immediately clear why Israel targeted the car, which was parked outside a bodyshop. The identities of those targeted were not immediately known.

Witnesses said two Palestinian gunmen were walking nearby at the time.

Medics said the dead person was a man of 18 and five other
people were wounded, two of them critically, in the air strike.

The Itim news agency reported that the strike appeared to be an attempt to assassinate wanted militants.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called an emergency meeting of his inner cabinet in response to the killing of the six soldiers, government officials said Tuesday.

Fierce opposition
Troops met with fierce opposition from Palestinian gunmen in the area on Tuesday morning. The troops, backed by tanks and helicopter gunships, raided Gaza City, killing seven Palestinians. Harel said all seven Palestinian casualties were armed militants.

Some 60 Palestinians were wounded in the fighting, including 12 who were in serious condition, Palestinian doctors said. Among the wounded was an 11-year-old boy with a head injury who was placed on life support.

Two Qassam rockets were also fired at a town in the western Negev on Tuesday morning but both failed to explode.

The IDF said that Givati Brigade troops entered Gaza City in an operation aimed at the "terrorist infrastructure" there.

"A force has entered the [Zeitoun neighborhood] and we are carrying out a pinpoint operation against the terrorist infrastructure," an Israeli military source said.

Witnesses said gunmen rushed to the scene of the night-time incursion and that fierce battles erupted in which a 21-year-old Hamas militant was killed and 10 other Palestinians, at least four of them armed, were wounded.

Hours later, a helicopter gunship fired a missile at a group of gunmen near a petrol station, killing one Palestinian and wounding some 13 others, the witnesses said.

"We condemn with the strongest possible terms the Israeli military escalation," said Palestinian Minister Saeb Erekat. "The escalation is only a part of Israel's campaign to continue the path of violence and confrontation."

The operation began when Israeli undercover forces sped into Zeitoun in civilian taxis and jeeps, the witnesses said.

They were later joined by tanks and armored personnel carriers as helicopters fired their machine guns and loud explosions echoed across Gaza City.

Troops surrounded homes belonging to militants from the Hamas and Islamic Jihad groups and blew off the doors to the entrances of several buildings, where they set up rooftop observation posts, witnesses said.

In another part of Gaza, several IDF tanks and bulldozers entered the Rafah refugee camp on the Egyptian border and tore down a structure, residents said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/426159.html
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by Mike (stepbystepfarm <a> mtdata.com)
I think you'd agree with the proposition that the Israelis should immediately cease their occupation of Gaza (and also the West Bank and we can argue about Jerusalem neighborhoods later). And I mean pull out entirely, just guard the border on their side, allow the Palestinians to set up the government of their choice, and live in peace unmolested by the Israelis IF THEY CAN.

It's that last bit I'd like to see you discuss. The what happens if they can't, if for reasons internal to the dynamics of Palestinian society that isn't enough. If the newly unoccupied Palestinian "state" continues attacking across the border. I want YOU to describe what YOU think would then be reasonable and/or justified Israeli responses. Or rather the other way around, would you find any of the below unreasonable and/or unjustified and if so why. Some scenarios?

1) An artillery position within Gaza opens fire on Israel (mortars, rockets, etc.) Rather than responding with an incursion of armor in a "pinpoint" response, a battery of Israelis 155 mm howitzers returns fire on that posiiton. This risks far fewer Israeli lives, but of course could be very costly in terms of Palestinian collateral casualties, especially if the attackers set their launchers or mortars up in a heaviily populated neighborhood. My question is how you would assign responsibility for the consequences and why.

2) Borders imply checkpoints where crossing them is allowed. An attack occurs directed at the Israeli guards at one of these. The Israelis make no armed resonse whatsoever, simply permamently close that border crossing point. If over time all crossing points have been attacked, then that has become a totally closed border. We agreed that the Palestinians have a right to their own state but does that OBLIGATE the Israelis to allow any border crossings. Usually we consider that a matter of mutual consent between the states involved, not a "right" to cross a border. Comment.
by Critical Thinker
You were astute to highlight the "if".

As for the extent of Israeli territorial concessions:
I don't think it must be performed in accordance with the seemingly universally accepted notion of returning to the 1949 armistice lines. In the northern Gaza strip, there are 3 Jewish towns or villages that are pretty close to the Green Line. I don't see why they can't remain there, much as Sharon's "unilateral disengagement" plan presumed. This way the Gaza strip also won't be made Jew-free. I object much more strongly to ceding all of Judea-Samaria. It's immoral to pluck all Jews out of Hebron and E Jerusalem where there are Jewish holy sites and some land and property is Jewish-owned - hell, Arabs are still illegally occupying some Jewish property after all Jews were driven out in several phases starting from 1929 and ending 1948. And I certainly disagree with evacuating Jews from the areas nearest to the Green Line.
by Mike (stepbystpefarm <a> mtdata.com)
While I might agree that it's not going to be exactly back to the '48 armistice line that should NOT include any significant amount of territory.

NONE of Gaza. There is NO good reason for any of Gaza to be retained other than pure expansionism. This area was never Israeli. Not even in ancient days (the ancient city of Gaza was a traditional outpost fort holding of Egypt --- a "tripwire" position on the far side of the Sinai intended to provide warning of approaching enemy armies and giving time for Egyptian mobilization.

And I don't agree about Hebron -- notwithstanding it being a holy site and having been a Jewish town prior to the '29 massacres. I think the prognosis for reaching a PEACEFUL settlement would be better if "access to the sites in Hebron" remains a bargaining chip held by the Palestinians << they have so few >>.

Jerusalem (the "Old City") and some of the close in suburbs lost in the '48 war are going to be a problem. No I don't think Israel is going to give up Jeruslaem. Sorry, but I cannot visualize a possible coalition in the Knesset for that. And some of those neighborhoods? No, I don't think Israel will agree to the university on Mt Scopus returning to being an isolated outpost (it successfully held out surrounded in '48) and if the history of some of the other suburbs in '48 was anything like that of Gush Etzion .......well I don't know about the others, but the siege and eventual massacre of the four Etzion Blok settlements has been well documented << Uh -- this area to the SW of Jerusalem guarded the main Jerusalem-Hebron road. It was scheduled to be tuurned over to the Palestinians when the UN partition went into effect but we'll never know what WOULD have happened because this is where the war started several months before the effective date. FYI the last settlement holding out, Kfar Etzion itself, fell the day BEFORE the state of Israel was declared.>>

Personally I think the Palestinians would have a better chance in negotiating a more favorable settlement if they could agree to unite behind a firm "return to the Green Line" demand. But that's their decision to make, and if they can't accept the outcome of the '48 war, then they can't. They have been cruely treated by history. With the aid of hindsight it is obvious that they would have been FAR better off to have accepted the UN '47 partition plan. It doesn't matter if you subscribe to silly theories about the "Zionist" intentions because the reality is that the "Zionists" could not have initiated the war which turned out so badly for the Palestinians. Unfortunately military opinion AT THE TIME grossly underestimated the fighting ability of the "Zionists" --- the advice followed by the Palestinians that they could do better by fighting with the "help" of Arab neighbors proved bad advice -- but it IS what just about everybody believed at the time. The cause of the "Nabka" was that they COULD run away, had some place to run to, and perhaps the reason for the outcome of the fighting was that the "Zionists" knew that they could not, that they either won or died. It is a maxim of war "leave your enemy an escape route and punish the withdrawal" and to recognize that a cornered enemy has no option but to figh it out.

by Critical Thinker
>>>"There is NO good reason for any of Gaza to be retained other than pure expansionism."<<<

So you think.
Fact is, there were a few Jewish towns there prior to Israel's 1948 independence war, including Kfar Darom (which was established 1936) which is situated deep within the strip. These were legally owned by Jews. These places were settled for the same reasons that guided Zionists in respect to territory within today's Green Line.
I don't mind dismantling KD, yet do not see why 3 towns/villages near the Green Line which are not surrounded by vast numbers of Arabs must be abandoned.

Here's a URL I found on a brief search (feel free to skip over the "holy moly" part at the beginning):

http://www.blessisrael.com/articles/settlers.html

>>>"This area was never Israeli."<<<

Granted, the ENTIRE strip was never Israeli. We're on accord on that. Let me cut you some slack for your failure to distinguish between "Israeli" and "Jewish". See above.
Hope you won't accuse me of nitpicking. Just read on.

>>>"Not even in ancient days"<<<

I agree that the Gaza strip wasn't a Jewish or Israelite teritory during the biblical period and the few consequent centuries. Yet, somewhat later Jews did settle there. To my recollection, Jewish settlement in what's today the Gaza strip began between 129 BCE - 76 BCE during the wars the Jewish Hasmonite rulers fought against other powers in the land. Constantine the Great ordered to have Gaza City itself purged of Jews when he ascended the thrown ~331 AD. A synagogue was built in 'Aza Yam / Mayumas (spelling?) some 1500 years ago. Here are some pictures of the relics (sorry for the absence of English translation):

http://www.katif.net/history.php?un=4

>>>"I think the prognosis for reaching a PEACEFUL settlement would be better if "access to the sites in Hebron" remains a bargaining chip held by the Palestinians"<<<

Experience has amply shown that's a surefire way to have the whole site ransacked and desecrated and to prevent Jews from having access to the tomb. I also suggest you read about how the Arabs had prevented Jews since 1266 from entering the Tomb of the Patriarchs, allowing them only to ascend to the fifth, later the seventh, step outside the eastern wall. For this sort of reasons Israel has always insisted to maintain this holy "bargaining chip".
I take it you would have all the Jews in Hebron evacuated. But your stand doesn't take into account the right Jews have to redeem property that is currently illegally occupied by Arabs.
>>>>It's that last bit I'd like to see you discuss. The what happens if they can't, if for reasons internal to the dynamics of Palestinian society that isn't enough. If the newly unoccupied Palestinian "state" continues attacking across the border. I want YOU to describe what YOU think would then be reasonable and/or justified Israeli responses. Or rather the other way around, would you find any of the below unreasonable and/or unjustified and if so why. Some scenarios<<<<by-Mike

If the Israeli superior military was used to guard and control the 1967 (green line) border, there would be less chance of attacks inside Israel Proper.

If the Palestinians had their State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza (only 22% of what is today Israel, West Bank and Gaza), more Palestinian would be happy not being under Israel Occupation and Oppression that there would be fewer people willing to kill themselves in suicide bombings.

If the Israeli Military were just guarding the Border instead of confiscating Palestinian land and demolishing Palestinian Homes. The soldiers and the rest of the Israeli People would not be disliked as much and therefore have a greater chance at Peace and Security.
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