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Open Email to Andrea Lewis of KPFA re Peter Richardson's Murder Claim Against the Panthers
Earlier emailed-in radio question today, read on KPFA's "Sunday Sedition" (August, 23, 2009) radio show, with host Andrea Lewis, for guest PETER RICHARDSON (author of _A Bomb In Every Issue: How The Short, Unruly Life of Ramparts Magazine Changed America_), and follow-up email, regarding the 1975 murder of Betty Van Patter, a onetime bookkeeper for the Black Panther Party.
KPFA "Sunday Sedition" radio program
http://kpfa.org/archive/id/53951
Earlier emailed-in radio question today, for guest PETER RICHARDSON (on "how Ramparts magazine changed America"), read on Sunday Sedition, and follow-up email to host Andrea Lewis:
To: Sunday [at] kpfa.org
Subject: Question about Betty Van Patter
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:46 AM
Your guest said that there's been "a consensus" that the Black Panther bookkeeper, Betty Van Patter, was killed by the Panthers over "bookkeeping irregularities". First of all, what grassroots (and other such) organization doesn't sometimes have "bookkeeping irregularities", because, not being accountants or corporate types, they often just don't pay enough attention to crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's.
[I know of highly respected and widely regarded *white* social justice organizations, who've undeniably done great work, who've been accused of "bookkeeping irregularities" by even the federal governement, because the organization "sometimes didn't keep proper paperwork" -- the organization didn't always keep or organize proper receipts or invoice copies, and promptly and properly enter and date, for example, "food for the homeless (or whomever) event" in the correct accounting journals, ledgers and columns.]
I'm [critically] open [and have no deep emotional investment either way] to the idea that she was [murdered by one or more Black Panther members, although I admit that I would hope that she wasn't], *BUT* I've never heard any convincing evidence [or logically and intellectually compelling arguments] that "the [or any] Panthers" murdered her -- only orchestrated innuendo by David Horowitz, turned rabid anti-Black racist (as primarily evidenced by his vicious anti-Reparations ad that he baited any number of student newspapers into printing, because no regular newspaper or magazine, other than, perhaps, a right-wing one, would print). So, *who's* [specifically] consensus is your guest alluding to?
(That someone would be killed over simply "bookkeeping irregularities" always seemed rather preposterous to me.)
[And if, hypothetically, she were murdered by *a* Panther (or even two), for whatever reason, how would that represent "the Panthers", or "all Panthers", or even a general Panther sentiment? Unless, such a murder were ordered or carried out by higher ups or was a Panther conspiracy.]
Thank you.
Sunday Sedition listener
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To: Sunday [at] kpfa.org
Subject: Your guest still hasn't answered the question -- only propagated further innuendo
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:55 AM
Hi Andrea,
I wish you had politely and journalistically pressed your guest more closely about this Van Patter murder thing. For your guest to go from saying that 'some people say that there were irregularities or whatever with the books', to the Panthers _murdered_ Van Patter, in itself, is quite an *IL*-logical leap. So, I wonder whether your guest is saying that -- without any logically compelling material evidence -- and how often has this been done against black men -- to either add a sensationalized chapter to his book or to forward a racially easily believed story about a black militant (as it were) organization.
At any rate, I wish you had questioned him more closely for _material_ or _compelling_ evidence -- other than that a white girl who was with the Panthers turned up murdered, so the Panthers must have done it -- and that's what white girls get for hanging out with a black militant organization (the idea that Horowitz has been pushing ever since, because maybe _he_ had a thing for her back then, but being David Horowitz, didn't know how to pursue in some healthy manner).
Thanks,
Sunday Sedition Listener
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To: Sunday [at] kpfa.org
Subject: *P.P.S* -- Re: P.S. --- Re: Question about Betty Van Patter['s muder "by the Panthers"]
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:33 AM
Hi Andrea,
Thank you for reading my question on the air today.
Btw, Andrea, you know that there were and are all sorts of innuendo and questionable claims that have circulated about many of the Panther members, due to either Cointelpro, the mainstream media, undue paranoia, cliques within the Panthers, or any bitter interpersonal feuds within the Panthers. _Some_ people even claim that Elaine Brown was a _CIA_ agent (based solely on the fact that she ended up in Paris in a relationship with some white guy of, apparently, considerable means), but I bet your writer didn't put *that* in his book, as he was using her [and not in a very logical way, whatever she may have actually said regarding the murder] to allegedly buttress his claim that the Panthers murdered Van Patter.
[Some people claimed that Huey Newton was a paid government informant, because he lived in an apartment on the top floor of a Lake Merritt fancy residential highrise after he got out of prison -- but it turns out that, (1) it was for security reasons, and (2) that the rent for it was paid for by some leftist Hollywood actors, etc., types.]
So, I constructively request that in the future you journalistically question, more closely, such facile (and, especially, white and often kneejerk) stereotypical assumptions and propagations about people of color in general and black men (or women) in particular.
[What the guest today, Peter Richardson, represented was _sloppy_ and _racially biased_ journalism. And even as he kept repeating this innuendo, my email question forced him to admit that there is no material or compelling intellectually critical evidence. Even if, hypothetically, any Panthers were guilty, I'd want them to be convicted on _the evidence_ -- and I'd be entirely willing to accept that -- not on sheer speculation and innuendo. Enough of convicting black men on that over the decades and even centuries in America, since even before the U.S. became a country!]
As one *white* Berkeley woman once told me, Horowitz obviously went so emotionally over-the-top over Van Patter's murder that maybe *he* murdered her in some jealous or otherwise emotional rage.
Thanks,
Sunday Sedition listener
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Subsequent email to Sunday Sedition Listener:
"I was horrified at Andrea's initial acceptance of the writer's accusation and am so glad you jumped on it. That's not a piece of history I'm familiar with, but I'll share this with a few folks who know Panther history and will no doubt have ideas as to how to prevent this guy from similarly slandering the Panthers BY INNUENDO [caps added for emphasis] in future interviews.
"BTW, the show is archived at http://kpfa.org/archive/id/53951. I didn't catch every word (need to listen again), but there was no mention of David Horowitz's more recent antics, was there? That would have given people some insight and cause to doubt the writer's claim that there's strong evidence Panthers murdered this woman. He didn't mention any of this copious evidence, did he?"
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This commentary just shows how far from reality the Bay Area left has put itself. You might ask yourself how it was that Tamara Baltar, a committed leftist, decided TEN YEARS after her mother turned up dead, that the Panthers had done it. Hint: the family hired a private detective to investigate. Google her name to find out more information.
I find it interesting that some posters can get all in a huff about having the Panthers being accused, but have no problem repeating an accusation that David did it. Like I said, the Bay Area left has removed itself from reality. Independent of reality, one might say.
I find it interesting that some posters can get all in a huff about having the Panthers being accused, but have no problem repeating an accusation that David did it. Like I said, the Bay Area left has removed itself from reality. Independent of reality, one might say.
re: Death Be Not Ignorant, Thursday Sep 3rd, 2009 8:33 PM -- re Betty van Patter:
Sunday Sedition listener: "I'm [critically] open [and have no deep emotional investment either way] to the idea that she was [murdered by one or more Black Panther members, although I admit that I would hope that she wasn't], *BUT* I've never heard any convincing _EVIDENCE_ [_OR LOGICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENTS_] that "the [or any] Panthers" murdered her -- only orchestrated innuendo by David Horowitz, turned rabid anti-Black racist (as primarily evidenced by his vicious anti-Reparations ad that he baited any number of student newspapers into printing, because no regular newspaper or magazine, other than, perhaps, a right-wing one, would print). So, *who's* [specifically] consensus is your guest alluding to?"
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DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston (a.k.a. David Horowitz? -- who has more than a credibility problem himself) (who makes grand sweeping categorical statements about "the Bay Area left"): "...the Panthers had done it. Hint: the family hired a private detective to investigate."
WHO was "the private detective"?
Did he have any axes to grind?
What was his background?
Was there ever any racism in his personal, political or professional background?
And the actual material (including, but not limited to, any recorded or transcribed incriminating admissions or interviews) _EVIDENCE_ turned up by "the private detective" is???
Where do we find _THAT_???
As I said before, I'm critically open to the concept that van Patter was murdered by the Panthers, BUT the EVIDENCE from those Panther accusers (especially given David Horowitz's own credibility problems) can't be, "Because I *said* so!"
The Alameda County white district attorney HATED the Panthers. You can bet that if there were any material EVIDENCE against the Panthers, he would have pursued the case.
LACK OF MATERIAL EVIDENCE might be okay for speculation and gossip, but, thankfully, in a supposed democracy, at least in theory under the U.S. Constitution, it's not okay in a court of law and by an unbiased, objective jury.
Apparently, you've gotten in a bit of a huff _yourself_, "DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston", a.k.a. David Horowitz?
Sunday Sedition listener: "I'm [critically] open [and have no deep emotional investment either way] to the idea that she was [murdered by one or more Black Panther members, although I admit that I would hope that she wasn't], *BUT* I've never heard any convincing _EVIDENCE_ [_OR LOGICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENTS_] that "the [or any] Panthers" murdered her -- only orchestrated innuendo by David Horowitz, turned rabid anti-Black racist (as primarily evidenced by his vicious anti-Reparations ad that he baited any number of student newspapers into printing, because no regular newspaper or magazine, other than, perhaps, a right-wing one, would print). So, *who's* [specifically] consensus is your guest alluding to?"
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DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston (a.k.a. David Horowitz? -- who has more than a credibility problem himself) (who makes grand sweeping categorical statements about "the Bay Area left"): "...the Panthers had done it. Hint: the family hired a private detective to investigate."
WHO was "the private detective"?
Did he have any axes to grind?
What was his background?
Was there ever any racism in his personal, political or professional background?
And the actual material (including, but not limited to, any recorded or transcribed incriminating admissions or interviews) _EVIDENCE_ turned up by "the private detective" is???
Where do we find _THAT_???
As I said before, I'm critically open to the concept that van Patter was murdered by the Panthers, BUT the EVIDENCE from those Panther accusers (especially given David Horowitz's own credibility problems) can't be, "Because I *said* so!"
The Alameda County white district attorney HATED the Panthers. You can bet that if there were any material EVIDENCE against the Panthers, he would have pursued the case.
LACK OF MATERIAL EVIDENCE might be okay for speculation and gossip, but, thankfully, in a supposed democracy, at least in theory under the U.S. Constitution, it's not okay in a court of law and by an unbiased, objective jury.
Apparently, you've gotten in a bit of a huff _yourself_, "DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston", a.k.a. David Horowitz?
If you had bothered to follow my advice to Google "Tamara Baltar," you would find the name of the private detective. Since you lack the capacity to follow that advice, there is no need to say more.
That you believe I am David Horowitz is further evidence of how the Bay Area left is increasingly independent of reality: "Indy Bay" in more ways than one.
That you believe I am David Horowitz is further evidence of how the Bay Area left is increasingly independent of reality: "Indy Bay" in more ways than one.
RE: { Try Googling it, just like I previously advised.
by DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston
Thursday Sep 17th, 2009 3:13 PM }
Look, you're too _lazy_ to even bother to provide us an article title &/or URL, as you continue to make your sweeping categorical accusations about how 'deficient' the Bay Area left is.
Instead of sending us on A _FISHING EXPEDITION_, why don't you tell us what the _substantive_, _material_, _concrete_, direct _evidence_ is -- or just one single item of it.
And we don't know WHO YOU really are -- in order for us to judge _your own_ credibility.
It's not _our_ job to make up for _YOUR_ intellectual shortcomings.
And if you don't like the left or Indybay, then why do you keep coming back, let alone coming here ranting on empty in the first place? No one is going to miss you. It's not like you're saying anything _substantive_.
by DoYouKnowDWayt'Allston
Thursday Sep 17th, 2009 3:13 PM }
Look, you're too _lazy_ to even bother to provide us an article title &/or URL, as you continue to make your sweeping categorical accusations about how 'deficient' the Bay Area left is.
Instead of sending us on A _FISHING EXPEDITION_, why don't you tell us what the _substantive_, _material_, _concrete_, direct _evidence_ is -- or just one single item of it.
And we don't know WHO YOU really are -- in order for us to judge _your own_ credibility.
It's not _our_ job to make up for _YOUR_ intellectual shortcomings.
And if you don't like the left or Indybay, then why do you keep coming back, let alone coming here ranting on empty in the first place? No one is going to miss you. It's not like you're saying anything _substantive_.
Since you apparently lack the intellectual capacity to Google "Tamara Baltar," here is the link. Many interesting articles will follow. Your apparent inability to take advantage of Google might be considered a reflection on the intellectual capacity of the Bay Area Left.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22tamara+baltar%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=%22tamara+baltar%22&fp=1b0eee87a4434375
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22tamara+baltar%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=%22tamara+baltar%22&fp=1b0eee87a4434375
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