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Who is David Irving?
David Irving is a British writer of histories who has been involved with the fascist political scene since the 1960s. Always known for the pro-Hitler bias of his books, approximately two decades ago Irving made the transition to being a fully-fledged Holocaust-denier, when he testified at the trial of neo-Nazi Ernst Zündel in Canada, and also arranged the publication of Fred Leuchter’s widely-refuted report on gas chambers at Auschwitz. In addition to spreading blatant historical lies, Irving has publicly stated that “The Jews are the architects of their own misfortune”. Unsurprisingly, Irving has been an extremely popular speaker at neo-Nazi rallies in Germany.
In the British libel case Irving v. Penguin Books and Lipstadt, the final ruling in favor of the defendants confirmed that Irving “is an active Holocaust denier” and that “he is anti-Semitic and racist and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism.” In 2006, Irving was jailed in Austria after pleading guilty to a charge of “trivializing the Holocaust”, which is a crime in that county. Since his release, Irving has been marketing himself as a former “political prisoner”.
Why Oppose These Events?
Irving’s current tour focuses on “"Re-writing history, using the decoded Nazi messages" (see: http://www. focal. org/speaks/index.html). The re-writing of Third Reich history—especially in relation to the Nazi “Final Solution” for Europe’s Jewish population—is a major preoccupation for modern neo-Nazis and neo-fascists, who correctly believe that memory of the Holocaust is a significant barrier to the mainstreaming of their beliefs. The Holocaust is denied so that, paradoxically, it can be repeated. Wherever Irving appears, he is backed and promoted by virulent anti-Semites and fascist organizers.
Irving’s bogus history is both blatantly offensive and incorrect. However, we oppose Irving not for what he thinks, but rather for what he does. As the name of his own publishing project suggests, Irving serves as a “focal point” to bring Jew-haters and goose-steppers together. He is part of a political tendency that is actively organizing for ethnic and racial hostilities, and in particular to persecute Jewish people. (James von Brunn’s murder of a security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is one recent example of where this anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi tendency can lead. Von Brunn moved within many of the same circles that promote Irving’s work.)
We believe that fascist activism and movement-building should meet with organized resistance. As the Anti-Racist Action Network states in its Points of Unity:
“Whenever fascists are organizing or active in public, we're there. We don't believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the nazis have the street!”
We invite you to help this effort along, by organizing in your own community.
When and Where?
At present, the dates for Irving’s speaking tour are as follows:
July 3 Friday: Kansas City, 19:00
July 6 Monday: Oklahoma City, 19:00
July 8 Wednesday: Albuquerque, 19:00
July 10 Friday: Phoenix, 19:00
July 12 Sunday: Las Vegas, buffet, 19:00
July 13 Monday: Salt Lake City, buffet, 19:00
July 15 Wednesday: Boise, buffet, 19:00
July 16 Thursday: Spokane, buffet, 19:00
July 18 Saturday: Seattle 15:00
July 19 Sunday: Portland, OR, buffet, 15:00
July 22 Wednesday: Sacramento, buffet,18:30
July 23 Thursday: San Francisco, buffet 18:30
July 25 Saturday: Costa Mesa, 18:30
July 26 Sunday: Sherman Oaks, 15:00
July 29 Wednesday: Denver, 19:00
July 30 Thursday: Omaha, 19:00
July 31 Friday: Chicago incl. de luxe dinner, 19:00
The exact location of Irving’s talk in each city has not been made public, due to Irving’s fear of encountering the opposition he so richly deserves. Any determined group of individuals ought to be able to pinpoint the event location in their city, however. Many of these events are probably booked under false pretexts, and venue owners may not necessarily know who they are hosting.
Further dates may be added (or subtracted!) as the tour progresses. Irving also plans to speak on the East Coast later this year, although dates have not been announced for this yet. Let’s set the tone for the East Coast wing of Irving’s tour right now!
No platform for fascists, no compromise!
- Rose City Antifa / Portland ARA
fight_them_back [at] riseup [dot] net
971.533.7832 (voicemail)
http://anonym.to/?http://www.irvingbooks.com/functions/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/holo-j12.shtml
This came right after the assassination of abortion doctor, Dr. George Tiller, by another fascist. See
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/pers-j03.shtml
Here is the story about the libel suit David Irving lost in 2000 regarding Deborah Lipstadt's book attacking Irving for denying the Holocaust:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/apr2000/irvi-a12.shtml
An economic crisis, such as the current Great Depression, is fertile ground for stirring up all kinds of racism including anti-Semitism, hatred of women, and much more, and the ruling class knows it and by allowing someone like David Irving into this country, is clearly encouraging it as an alternative the urgently needed united workingclass revolution to put an end to the profit motive that is the cause of the Great Depression we are experiencing. This is occurring while we have a Democratic administration, no different from a Republican administration. There is no excuse for allowing David Irving into this country at all.
http://www.laborfest.net/2009schedule.htm
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=788
against the Holocaust Denier, David Irving to be quite disturbing.
Haven't we learned anything over the last two decades?
How does one, as myself, try to explain the importance of fighting racism and anti-
semitism to union brothers, when there are those that claim to be fighting racism and
anti-semitism that choose to dress up in masks as street criminals?
Union brothers and sisters of all races are repulsed by stunts such as this, and have
reason to ask "who are the real fascists?"
What would be a reasonable reaction of a single working mother, driving with her
children be, if confronted by a mob dressed in this form of garb?
A more responsible towards Holocaust Denial would be to hold a counter-event. A showing
of Schindlers List, followed by a talk by a Holocaust Survivor would be a much better
way to counter a Holocaust Denier, and attract a much bigger crowd.
Holocaust Denial is every bit as foolish as the denial of the Apollo 11 Lunar landing, or some of the
bizarre 911 conspiracy theories, but the First Amendment was not meant to protect just popular
speech, but unpopular speech too.
No responsible person denies the Holocaust.
But the Holocaust is still no justification for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinian
people
And they endanger those who attempt to protest them. They take their (our) pictures. They attack anti-fascists when they are not looking. Self-protection should not be that hard to explain to any union member or person of color or to your single mother driving with her children (who would not be confronted in any way by anti-fascists, who are of course looking for fascists, not single mothers with kids). But of course YOU have to believe it, and not believe it to be some "stunt", which, i assure you, it is not.
Now as far as your alternative, it would a good idea to show educational films like Shindler's List all the time. You don't have to wait til Irving shows up to do it. However this still doesn't answer what's going to happen to the few dangerous Nazi types who are going to hear David Irving. I guess your "free speech" gives them a free pass to organize and plan more holocausts.
No platform for Nazis, No free pass to Nazi supporters!
20th Century. BTW, it was only two, not twenty-two members of the BNP that were elected to
the increasingly trivial EAU Parliament. (guess why so few people voted.)
In terms of mass killings, mass destruction, I believe the twentieth century was the most violent,
destructive century in history.
Have you ever read of the deliberately created mass famine in the Ukraine, where as many as
ten million were kiled, between 1932 and 1934?
According to almost all orthodox sources of history, as a mass killer, Hitler came in a distant
third place, well behind Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.
If Communist Party USA boss, Sam Webb were to be speaking in California, would you protest
him?
Please listen to me...violence really sucks.
Have you ever really fought in a war?
Self-defense is, of course legitimate, but it is wrong to provoke a fight with an opponent,
and than claim that one is defending oneself.
I'll tell you what antifa.....I'll use my computer skills (when your in a wheel-chair, aint much else to do)
find where Irving is speaking, and post the information here.
In exchange, I will expect you to use whatever influence you have to make sure that
your protest, (yes it is legitimate) will be peaceful, (loud and militant is cool,) legal,
(fighting the cops is stupid) and that participants should be asked to dress and conduct
themselves in a manner that well represents the cause they support.
I don't think that there is a problem with violent racist communists attacking people in the streets and inciting racially motivated violence, but if you want to organize protests of communist events based on past genocides at the hands of communist dictators, go for it, i guess. What was your point? You want Antifa to do it for you? In order for Antifa to have earned the right in your eyes to disrupt nazi events, do they have to also protest at every evil conspiracy? It seems to me like it makes more sense to support your allies, even if they don't use the same tactics as you yourself would, instead of supporting your enemies by trying to diminish the efforts of your allies.
As for your "violence really sucks" argument, well, yeah, but passively allowing it to happen to yourself and others only encourages the abusive parties to continue their violent ways.
Pooping can really suck too, but many of us still have to do it every day. Life isn't always the way would like it to be, as i am sure that you can understand.
Can you really speak for all Union people? I don't think that you do. I imagine that there would be a diversity of opinions among union people, just as there is a diversity of opinions and tactics that unite against fascism.
On the other i do not and will not police what demonstrators do. I especially find your idea of a dress code laughable. What do i do, send them to the principals office if they don't comply? As to whether i feel demonstrators shoud be peaceful. As for "violence" I believe that everybody should act according to their own conscience and sense of human decency. I wouldn't want to see David Irving tortured.
Those of us who organized against the Richmond NSM meeting back in march are especially encouraged to get in touch.
Also, what is up with Indybay posting things about Israel on this piece??? The crimes that the Israel and Zionism have committed shouldn't and don't really need to be associated with David Irving coming or Nazis, White Supremacy, the Holocaust, etc., in this front page article. The only real realationship here is that that we are talking about the Jews. Why doesn't Indybay have a link on the Irving article to crimes that the US has committed in Iraq and Afghanistan, his speaking tour is in America? Why doesn't Indybay add a link to Anglo crimes of genocide, because Irving is British?????? Why does it have to be Israel? ?????That is pretty fucking obvious and pretty fucked up!!! =(
"i think that the idea behind that was that both issues deal with racism. i think that there is a need to connect between Zionism and racism as for some criticizing Israel or Zionism is antisemitic. Further, it is important to show that Zionism is not very different from Holocaust denial as both deny the history and oppression of groups of people."
Well, I have to agree with you that I think that both Zionism and Nazism are both racist ideologies that have resulted in genocide against certain groups of people. But, Zionism and Nazism aren't the only oppresive systems of power that have taken over governments and societies and committed crimes against humanity. There are alot examples of genocide and racism that can be pointed to through out history by many nations and peoples against other nations and peoples, not just the Germans and the Israelis through Nazism and Zionism. So why does Indybay add links about racism and oppression in Israel( that has nothing to do with this story at all, except that both share the subject the Jews) when putting up a piece about David Irving coming to Sacramento, who is a white supremacist, racist, anti-semite and someone who denies that the Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis. Why doesn't Indybay put up a piece about racial tensions in the former Yugoslavia where genocide happened as well? Why doesn't Indybay add links to this piece about racism,anti-immigrant sentiment xenophobia, and extremism on the US/Mexico border to the article about David Irving? There are alot of examples of racism, repression, and extremism that can be made, Indybay doesn't have to bring up Israel out of the blue when doing a piece on some neo-nazi and holocaust denier. Yes, I think that both Zionism and Nazism have resulted in genocide and that comparison should be made, but in appropriate context. Injecting links and articles about what Israel is doing on a piece about a anti-semite coming to town, is the wrong place to do that. This story has nothing to do with what Israel has done to the Palestians, other than genocide has been comitted just like during WWII. But the Israelis and the Germans have comitted atrocities like others such as the US, the Serbs, the Turks, the Khmer Rouge in places like: Iraq, Yugoslavia, Armenia, Cambodia, etc. Why isn't the comparison being made here?Why does the comparison and Israel being brought up, have to be made when doing a story about a Jew hating Nazi ???? It is inappropriate, do you see what I am saying?
I have a present for the first person to post here where he is speaking in San Francisco and get it correct. And when folks see ti, they should seriously think about going down to the venue and helping to shut down fascist organizers.
As a Jewish person I share your concern over anti-Semitism pushed aside in the name of fighting Zionism. Because of Zionists abusing and misusing the term by accusing anyone who does not support Israel’s apartheid state an “Anti-Semitic” (while uniting with Christian fundamentalists who are anti-Semitic), people on the left get confused and think that anti-Semitism is just a concept used to discredit those who are fighting for human rights. As you can notice, even here, someone posted an image showing smashing an Israeli flag, as if by uniting against anti-Semitism we are somehow supporting Israel. That is ridicules and those who are supporting Israel would like nothing more then to deal with people who protect anti-Semitic and holocaust deniers.
take care,
M
at One Hidgenberger Road, in Oakland.
For him, and his ilk, this is an advantage, as they can "fly in, and fly out,"
very quickly, before anyone realizes what is going on.
Keep in mind that many Neo-Nazis are very rich, so the cost of flying to Oakland
is no problem for them.
Irving and his ilk somehow like to hang out where there are lots of police officers,
such as airports. Kops and Klan work hand in hand. "
can you provide more info?
What more info can I provide other than what I already have?
The Time is Now!!!!!
Let's get to the Oakland Hilton right away!!!!
No Place For Nazis!!!!!!!
Of course those who work for the Hilton won't confirm who is really speaking there.
This is a big hotel, and nobody that answers a phone really knows what is really going on.
Remember, neo-nazis and their ilk often use fake names, as no reputable establishment
would allow the ilk of Irving and his goons to use their establishments otherwise.
That is, unless they were paid a lot of money to deny the truth
If anybody has gone to these locations and can confirm or deny his presence, please do so, even after the fact. and anybody found him, please give us a full report. Thanks.
Fifty highly-organized members of the Rose City Antifa showed up with banners and matching bandana masks to protest the appearance of the little-known David Irving, which was attended by barely more than two dozen people. What was the Rose City Antifa's real agenda in drawing so much attention to the marginal nobody David Irving?
Where will the Rose City Antifa members be when the next rally is held in Portland to protest the racist Israeli Apartheid? Will they attend, more than fifty strong, carrying banners and wearing bandana masks, shouting "Down with Israeli Apartheid?" Since the Rose City Antifa members are terrified of being identified as individuals, I advise them to wear their bandana masks, since Mossad and ADL agents will probably be photographing the anti-Israeli protest.
The Jewish Holocaust happened a long time ago and it is no longer relevant to current affairs. Ignore David Irving and he will remain anonymous. Ignore the Israeli Holocaust against the Palestinians and its genocide will continue. Rose City Antifa, will you be there, fifty strong at the next anti-Israel Apartheid rally in Portland?
Never Forget the Israeli Holocaust against the Palestinians!
"The Jewish Holocaust is remote history"
Those are some statements I think I would hear out of someone like Irving, not an antifa member. Are you really who you say you are?
I think the Holocaust is relevant to current events, such as Holocaust deniers doing speaking tours. Well, you say the Jewish Holocaust is remote history and is not relevant to current affairs. Does that mean that it should be forgoten? You say the Israeli Holocaust against the Palestians shouldn't be forgotten.
No Holocaust should be forgotten! Because when people forget about genocide it happens again. But what do you care, your probably some anti-semite fascist posting on here trying to mix people up and whip up sentiment to take attention away from lying Nazi Holocaust denier coming into town to spread hate and lies, and get people to solely focus on what the Jews have done to the Palestians.
In Turkey you can get thrown in jail, or even assassinated, for affirming the Armenian "Holocaust", while in France you can get thrown in jail for denying that same interpretation of history.
In Israel, some important legislators are trying to pass laws against commemorating the Nakba, i.e., the Palestinian "Holocaust".
In Canada, where it is illegal (according to some court decisions) to deny the Jewish "Holocaust", you can get into a lot of trouble with powerful people for exposing the Native Canadian "Holocaust". Ask Kevin Annett!
We on the left should reject the idea that there is a sacrosanct version of any part of history. If we accept it, we may be persecuted for affirming the Nakba and even for refuting the official government lies about "9-11". As for the denial of the Jewish "Holocaust", there certainly is enough of a budget for Holocaust Museums and such that it should be possible for Holocaust Affirmers to provide detailed refutations of any lies or distortions by Deniers or Revisionists, and not just say that they're lying because "the Holocaust" is proven.
David Irving is indeed using his tour to directly help fascists organize for racist violence, then he should be interfered with. The same applies to meetings -- including those that are held in synagogues (even if their rabbis aren't selling human organs!) or churches (even if they aren't sexually abusing children) -- that help Zionists carry out their racist violence by raising money or helping them recruit new colonial settlers.
Impersonating 'Jew' to defame them.
Traditional.
http://zionism-israel-palestine.blogspot.com/2006/05/impersonating-jews-to-be-antisemitic.html
stealing, not 'aeling'
Some people even razz me for sounding like a Rabbi when I'm denouncing Israel and Zionism. I think it's amusing but irrelevant that I still sound like a New York Jew nearly four decades after leaving New York.
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