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With the fall of the Bear Mountain tree-sit in Victoria, BC, it seems like this is a very crucial time for activists in the trees up and down the west coast. There are two campus trees-sits, one under attack right now at UC Berkeley and one at UC Santa Cruz. These actions are opposing the unnecessary development of greenspace.
The Berkeley Action is opposed to the destruction of a large grove of Coast Live Oaks in order for the campus to place an athletic training center adjacent to the campus stadium. As if the "atheletes" need a training center so close to the stadium. Maybe they are afraid of a little walk for some exercise? To make things even more contraversial, the grove is memorial dedicated to fallen Californian World War I soldiers. To top that off, 18 Native Americans were discovered buried under the stadium in 1923. This area is sacred and needs protection from furthur development. The city of Berkeley opposes the development. However, the UC only has to abide by state laws, concerns and constraints. In other words, the UC campus is comparable to a Federal agency, which answers to pretty much no one, especially local concerns of the city's residents. I suggest that if you are reading this and you are in the Bay area, that you head up to the stadium to help them. They need your help now more than ever!
Bear Mountain, which to this date is still an active action due to ground efforts of civil disobedience, stated "if the development thugs want to force through this kind of horrific, destructive project, they will need to call in the army. ef.vancouver@gmail.com". That statement may not have been from zoeblunt@gmail.com, one of the main media contacts from Bear Mountain, but it does sound like they mean business. The Bear Mountain action is opposing a highway interchange development that would slash through one of the last areas left of greenspace in Langford, BC. Bear Mountain has a long history of non-vilolence and if you are reading this in the Vancouver BC and surrounding areas, please contact Bear Mountain or visit their site to help them. Please help them stand.
The UC Santa Cruz tree-sit also opposes the campus development of our dwindling greenspace. The LRDP Resistance is preventing UC Santa Cruz from destroying 120 acres of redwood and mixed evergreen forest by doing what seems to work the best, civil disobediance and treesitting. UC Santa Cruz's LRDP(Long Range Development Pan) proposes to develop the 120 acres to provide accomodations for 4,500 new students. You can learn more about the UC Santa Cruz action on their site, where you will also find links descibing the the UC's nefarious plans. Just like Berkeley, the Santa Cruz city council also opposes the plan, but the State UC is above the local law. This is an honorable and admirable action that needs your help. Will you answer the call?
I feel that these above actions demonstrate the willingness of concerned students and activists to risk their lives and freedoms to take a stand against these greedy developers, something I feel is comparable to forest actions in Humboldt County, one of the birthplaces of tree-sitting. It is very inspiring to see these actions pop up along the coast, all of them non-violent peaceful demonstrations of civil disobedience.
Yes, I feel the UC's are elitest corporocrats, without regard for the needs of the students or community, or the planet in that matter. Tuition costs are on the rise. The gap between the upper and lower "classes" is widening, and the ability for middle income students and families to afford upper level education is becoming virtually impossible, furthur exacerbating the problem. Even here in Humboldt, the state university feels that it is more important to spend $350,000 for non-functional and tacky "so-cal-esque" gateways, instead of helping student tuitions, much needed salary increases for students, or for funding of important student programs.
Our trees are disappearing, this is a fact. Whether you live in the city, or the country, the last remnants of our greenspaces are threatened by the greed of corporations. These unaccountable companies are pushing our planet to the brink of extinction. Lately, there has been a lot of media attention towards climate change and our environment. It seems that the trend is to "think green", to live "sustainably" and to fear the coming changes that are happening right now to our entire planet. However, I feel that true meaning of these buzzwords that the media is throwing around are constantly changing and evolving to fit the needs of the elite.
This is a trick in semantics that has been used by the corporate controlled media to squash uprisings and revolutions in the past, and now, under the guise of concern for the environment. There becomes a lot of talk and no action. People begin to feel that they are doing their part, and even a small action such as recycling, justifies their guilt for driving an SUV or funding the war for oil. Does eating organic makes up for the fact that many of the smaller local organic food producers are being bought up by huge corporations? How many petroleum miles did it take for your organic food to make it to your table? How much petroleum based plastics were used to wrap it? And how many slaves from developing countries did it take to harvest your organic food?
The point is, there are actions, and there are ACTIONS! Not all of us can change our surrounding environment, but we can at least try. No one is perfect, I'm definitley not. But what makes us humans our ability to choose. We can choose to listen to Democracy Now!. We can agree with Amy Goodman. We can vote for Dennis Kucinich. These are very small token attempts at making the change we wish to see in the world, and it helps a lot people sleep at night as bombs are killing women and children in Iraq, Falun Gong monks in China are having their organs harvested, and the oceans around the planet are dying. Not to bum you out or anything...
What helps me sleep at night are DIRECT ACTIONS! What justifies my miraculous existance here on this planet are DIRECT ACTIONS! I would jump out of my skin, foam at the mouth, and have a seizure if I didn't try my best to save what is left of this planet. I can't just sit there and let injustice happen. I used to be a part of the problem, now I'm a part of the solution. What are you doing to help? Token donations for corporations such as the Sierra Club or the Republicratic(one in the same) party? Do you drive a Prius covered with petroleum based bumper stickers? That's nice. That's really going to show 'em.
For real change to happen, we all have to be present, as in show up! Be a part of the ACTION, it's what defines us as empowered, free-thinking and concerned human beings. Token gestures are great, and we are all "doing what we can". But for us to be able to tip the scale, we need to send a message to the elite that involves more than a simple email to your congressperson. Find something that you believe in and stand with your brothers and sisters. Or form your own coalition for the planet, for peace, or for whatever inspires you. You want to start a tree-sit in your neck of the woods? Come on up, we'll show you how to do it safely in a non-violent manner. We want to help inspire, teach, and share. I'm sure the above actions can help you do the same. Then take what you have learned to teach and inspire others. There is a urgent need for action here, there, and everywhere around the planet.
They have divided us through concentrating on individuality and our "differences" between each other, making the populace walking "ego-zombies". We need to find our commonalities, which most of us share. We may not always agree on how to do it. That's ok. What matters is being present, able, and willing to make change happen.
Jeff Muskrat
Humboldt Forest Defense
Email: spooner@spoonerdirect.org
These are my own views and expressions, not necessarily those of Humboldt Forest Defense or current tree-sits or actions here in Humboldt or anywhere else for that matter. Please feel free to share, copy, repost and distribute freely to the people wihout fear or hesitation.
The Berkeley Action is opposed to the destruction of a large grove of Coast Live Oaks in order for the campus to place an athletic training center adjacent to the campus stadium. As if the "atheletes" need a training center so close to the stadium. Maybe they are afraid of a little walk for some exercise? To make things even more contraversial, the grove is memorial dedicated to fallen Californian World War I soldiers. To top that off, 18 Native Americans were discovered buried under the stadium in 1923. This area is sacred and needs protection from furthur development. The city of Berkeley opposes the development. However, the UC only has to abide by state laws, concerns and constraints. In other words, the UC campus is comparable to a Federal agency, which answers to pretty much no one, especially local concerns of the city's residents. I suggest that if you are reading this and you are in the Bay area, that you head up to the stadium to help them. They need your help now more than ever!
Bear Mountain, which to this date is still an active action due to ground efforts of civil disobedience, stated "if the development thugs want to force through this kind of horrific, destructive project, they will need to call in the army. ef.vancouver@gmail.com". That statement may not have been from zoeblunt@gmail.com, one of the main media contacts from Bear Mountain, but it does sound like they mean business. The Bear Mountain action is opposing a highway interchange development that would slash through one of the last areas left of greenspace in Langford, BC. Bear Mountain has a long history of non-vilolence and if you are reading this in the Vancouver BC and surrounding areas, please contact Bear Mountain or visit their site to help them. Please help them stand.
The UC Santa Cruz tree-sit also opposes the campus development of our dwindling greenspace. The LRDP Resistance is preventing UC Santa Cruz from destroying 120 acres of redwood and mixed evergreen forest by doing what seems to work the best, civil disobediance and treesitting. UC Santa Cruz's LRDP(Long Range Development Pan) proposes to develop the 120 acres to provide accomodations for 4,500 new students. You can learn more about the UC Santa Cruz action on their site, where you will also find links descibing the the UC's nefarious plans. Just like Berkeley, the Santa Cruz city council also opposes the plan, but the State UC is above the local law. This is an honorable and admirable action that needs your help. Will you answer the call?
I feel that these above actions demonstrate the willingness of concerned students and activists to risk their lives and freedoms to take a stand against these greedy developers, something I feel is comparable to forest actions in Humboldt County, one of the birthplaces of tree-sitting. It is very inspiring to see these actions pop up along the coast, all of them non-violent peaceful demonstrations of civil disobedience.
Yes, I feel the UC's are elitest corporocrats, without regard for the needs of the students or community, or the planet in that matter. Tuition costs are on the rise. The gap between the upper and lower "classes" is widening, and the ability for middle income students and families to afford upper level education is becoming virtually impossible, furthur exacerbating the problem. Even here in Humboldt, the state university feels that it is more important to spend $350,000 for non-functional and tacky "so-cal-esque" gateways, instead of helping student tuitions, much needed salary increases for students, or for funding of important student programs.
Our trees are disappearing, this is a fact. Whether you live in the city, or the country, the last remnants of our greenspaces are threatened by the greed of corporations. These unaccountable companies are pushing our planet to the brink of extinction. Lately, there has been a lot of media attention towards climate change and our environment. It seems that the trend is to "think green", to live "sustainably" and to fear the coming changes that are happening right now to our entire planet. However, I feel that true meaning of these buzzwords that the media is throwing around are constantly changing and evolving to fit the needs of the elite.
This is a trick in semantics that has been used by the corporate controlled media to squash uprisings and revolutions in the past, and now, under the guise of concern for the environment. There becomes a lot of talk and no action. People begin to feel that they are doing their part, and even a small action such as recycling, justifies their guilt for driving an SUV or funding the war for oil. Does eating organic makes up for the fact that many of the smaller local organic food producers are being bought up by huge corporations? How many petroleum miles did it take for your organic food to make it to your table? How much petroleum based plastics were used to wrap it? And how many slaves from developing countries did it take to harvest your organic food?
The point is, there are actions, and there are ACTIONS! Not all of us can change our surrounding environment, but we can at least try. No one is perfect, I'm definitley not. But what makes us humans our ability to choose. We can choose to listen to Democracy Now!. We can agree with Amy Goodman. We can vote for Dennis Kucinich. These are very small token attempts at making the change we wish to see in the world, and it helps a lot people sleep at night as bombs are killing women and children in Iraq, Falun Gong monks in China are having their organs harvested, and the oceans around the planet are dying. Not to bum you out or anything...
What helps me sleep at night are DIRECT ACTIONS! What justifies my miraculous existance here on this planet are DIRECT ACTIONS! I would jump out of my skin, foam at the mouth, and have a seizure if I didn't try my best to save what is left of this planet. I can't just sit there and let injustice happen. I used to be a part of the problem, now I'm a part of the solution. What are you doing to help? Token donations for corporations such as the Sierra Club or the Republicratic(one in the same) party? Do you drive a Prius covered with petroleum based bumper stickers? That's nice. That's really going to show 'em.
For real change to happen, we all have to be present, as in show up! Be a part of the ACTION, it's what defines us as empowered, free-thinking and concerned human beings. Token gestures are great, and we are all "doing what we can". But for us to be able to tip the scale, we need to send a message to the elite that involves more than a simple email to your congressperson. Find something that you believe in and stand with your brothers and sisters. Or form your own coalition for the planet, for peace, or for whatever inspires you. You want to start a tree-sit in your neck of the woods? Come on up, we'll show you how to do it safely in a non-violent manner. We want to help inspire, teach, and share. I'm sure the above actions can help you do the same. Then take what you have learned to teach and inspire others. There is a urgent need for action here, there, and everywhere around the planet.
They have divided us through concentrating on individuality and our "differences" between each other, making the populace walking "ego-zombies". We need to find our commonalities, which most of us share. We may not always agree on how to do it. That's ok. What matters is being present, able, and willing to make change happen.
Jeff Muskrat
Humboldt Forest Defense
Email: spooner@spoonerdirect.org
These are my own views and expressions, not necessarily those of Humboldt Forest Defense or current tree-sits or actions here in Humboldt or anywhere else for that matter. Please feel free to share, copy, repost and distribute freely to the people wihout fear or hesitation.
For more information:
http://humboldtforestdefense.blogspot.com/
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Newsflash---the Santa Cruz tree sit is in a PARKING LOT--It's not about "preservation of greenspace;" it's more like preservation of parking space (which I can see the rationale for, but that's another story...).
The tree-sitters aren't only against development of that parking lot. If you've listened to anything they've spoken about, they are against the destruction of the entire upper campus forests and chaparral.
Newsflash #2--1400 acres of the campus are undeveloped--that's the upper campus and chaparral. The LRDP involves development of 120 acres, making the developed area of the campus 720 acres and the undeveloped portion 1280 acres. That ain't "destruction of the entire upper campus forests and chaparral." Take a math class, or actually take the time to read the LRDP (which the tree sitters haven't either, so don't worry about reality intruding...).
As someone who cares deeply about the environment, I am saddened by the actions of the Berkeley tree-sitters. The Berkeley tree-sitters are wasting precious resources to achieve an end that is dubious at best, even from an environmental perspective. We can do better for our environment -- read more here.
For more information:
http://thegreenwar.blogspot.com
Ohio State Students Stage Sit-In to protest Grassy Narrows Logging
For more information:
http://www.risingtidenorthamerica.org/word...
Impacts to the sensitive and inter-connected ecosystems of campus cannot be measured in acre figures. Neither can you quantify the value of specific places in the forest to the people who frequent them. The development planned in upper campus - new roads, lots and buildings - will forever change the area, which is beautiful, wild, and supportive of an incredible diversity of plant and animal life.
Look, you have no idea what the tree-sitters and their associates have read. I am a supporter of the tree-sit and have more than done my homework in reading the LRDP and EIR. I am also very personally acquainted with the forests on campus, I know what is being proposed and it is ecologically SIGNIFICANT.
Do you have nothing better to do than anonymously slag off other peoples' activism? If you were offering criticism, that would be one thing, but all you offer is a bunch of haughty drivel.
And for what it matters, the numbers you quote are incorrect. Upper campus is not 1400 acres, that # refers to the total undeveloped acreage of campus, which includes the lower meadows, gulches, and forested to the east and west.
Look, you have no idea what the tree-sitters and their associates have read. I am a supporter of the tree-sit and have more than done my homework in reading the LRDP and EIR. I am also very personally acquainted with the forests on campus, I know what is being proposed and it is ecologically SIGNIFICANT.
Do you have nothing better to do than anonymously slag off other peoples' activism? If you were offering criticism, that would be one thing, but all you offer is a bunch of haughty drivel.
And for what it matters, the numbers you quote are incorrect. Upper campus is not 1400 acres, that # refers to the total undeveloped acreage of campus, which includes the lower meadows, gulches, and forested to the east and west.
Gosh, I agree. Neither can we quantify the impact of increased educational opportunities for California's youth --- and it is these educational opportunities (and their denial) that a REAL activist should also be worried about. The haughty (yes, I can use that snotty little word too) nimby-ism of the tree sitters and accompanying activists have done a vast disservice to their cause...alienating minorities, faculty and yes, staff too--all of which would normally be natural allies.
And you also shouldn't infer what others know and don't know...it really makes you come off as that h word that you apply so readily to others.
And you also shouldn't infer what others know and don't know...it really makes you come off as that h word that you apply so readily to others.
Your saying that growth must stop, and the forests must be saved...but you're only saying so after having secured your spot at the campus of your choice to get the education you feel you deserve.
What about the forest that was destroyed to build you your dorm, your classroom, or your lab? No moral or ethical problem with that?
You're like a buffalo hunter. Wrapped in your warm robe, eating your tongue roast....while telling the cold hungry guy next to you that he mustn't shoot the buffalo....because they're precious. And if he was as enlightened as you, he'd realize that.
Shameful and selfish to the n-th degree.
What about the forest that was destroyed to build you your dorm, your classroom, or your lab? No moral or ethical problem with that?
You're like a buffalo hunter. Wrapped in your warm robe, eating your tongue roast....while telling the cold hungry guy next to you that he mustn't shoot the buffalo....because they're precious. And if he was as enlightened as you, he'd realize that.
Shameful and selfish to the n-th degree.
I feel a bit foolish for even responding, but:
The on-campus opposition to the proposed LRDP, [or rather, to rapid, poorly planned, environmentally destructive expansion], is a result of concern for the future - for the experience of future students, for the well-being of ecosystems, and for the unique qualities of this place.
This isn't just a question of how many students you can cram in to giant lecture halls, its also a question of what kind of educational experience is available to them here. This question must take in to account faculty-student ratios, availability of resources/funding, the (already exorbitant) cost of living, the quality of faculty who are teaching at the school (who are willing to put up with the housing market and headache traffic). Its also a question of access/affordability. The trend toward privatization (which the LRDP is very much a part of) means an ever increasing tuition, and the resource capacity and developable space in Santa Cruz is already maxed out, meaning that the cost of living here will become untenable for many.
As enrollment is increased, loads of classes are being dropped entirely - and not out of a lack of student interest. As things stand, everything points to the increase in quantity coming at the price of a serious loss of quality.
UC Santa Cruz has been a quirk in the UC system - an experimental environment, smaller classes, emphasis on liberal arts education, a beautiful forest setting, and a lot of political activity. Not so heavy on the big name research and corporate job training aspects of a University. I'd like to see these qualities retained.
I think the argument taking place here boils down to a difference in values. The things that I value about UC Santa Cruz are threatened by the expansion plans as they exist.
For carefully reasoned analysis by a faculty member on how UCSC could grow more intelligently and responsibly, see Bob Meister's 11 Theses on Growth:
http://www.aaup-ca.org/SCFA-Theses_on_Growth_Final.pdf
And by the way, if I was around in the 90's, I would have fought against the building of Colleges 9 & 10 as well - for the same reasons. The place it was built upon was precious and irreplaceable.
The on-campus opposition to the proposed LRDP, [or rather, to rapid, poorly planned, environmentally destructive expansion], is a result of concern for the future - for the experience of future students, for the well-being of ecosystems, and for the unique qualities of this place.
This isn't just a question of how many students you can cram in to giant lecture halls, its also a question of what kind of educational experience is available to them here. This question must take in to account faculty-student ratios, availability of resources/funding, the (already exorbitant) cost of living, the quality of faculty who are teaching at the school (who are willing to put up with the housing market and headache traffic). Its also a question of access/affordability. The trend toward privatization (which the LRDP is very much a part of) means an ever increasing tuition, and the resource capacity and developable space in Santa Cruz is already maxed out, meaning that the cost of living here will become untenable for many.
As enrollment is increased, loads of classes are being dropped entirely - and not out of a lack of student interest. As things stand, everything points to the increase in quantity coming at the price of a serious loss of quality.
UC Santa Cruz has been a quirk in the UC system - an experimental environment, smaller classes, emphasis on liberal arts education, a beautiful forest setting, and a lot of political activity. Not so heavy on the big name research and corporate job training aspects of a University. I'd like to see these qualities retained.
I think the argument taking place here boils down to a difference in values. The things that I value about UC Santa Cruz are threatened by the expansion plans as they exist.
For carefully reasoned analysis by a faculty member on how UCSC could grow more intelligently and responsibly, see Bob Meister's 11 Theses on Growth:
http://www.aaup-ca.org/SCFA-Theses_on_Growth_Final.pdf
And by the way, if I was around in the 90's, I would have fought against the building of Colleges 9 & 10 as well - for the same reasons. The place it was built upon was precious and irreplaceable.
Please get your facts straight. The organ harvesting allegation has been discredited:
- Most recently by the Ottawa Citizan:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=2c15d2f0-f0ab-4da9-991a-23e4094de949&p=4
- Undercover investigation by US State Dept and Chinese dissident Harry Wu found the allegation not credible:
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html
http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm
- Most recently by the Ottawa Citizan:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=2c15d2f0-f0ab-4da9-991a-23e4094de949&p=4
- Undercover investigation by US State Dept and Chinese dissident Harry Wu found the allegation not credible:
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html
http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL33437.pdf
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm
Many of the problems outlined (large student/faculty ratios, quality of educational experience, etc.) stem directly from decreased state funding to UC---about a factor of two decline as a percentage of state GDP over the last two decades. Thus, there are two issues that are being conflated here--quality of education/state funding and tree sitting in a parking lot. The former is a highly appropriate issue for activists (planning to go to UC day in Sacramento on March 4th, Shreve? Thought so! Guess I'll see you there [or not]...), the latter is a confused, nimby-ist mess.
I think there is an important nuance of terminology in regards to Shreve's statement that LRDP is "very much a part of" the privitization of the UC system.
That phrasing, in my opinion, would seem to suggest that the UC system wants to privatize, and that LRDP is a part of that plan. I believe that the exact opposite is true. UC would like nothing better than to remain a publicly funded institution. But that is no longer a reality. The state has reduced funds drastically over the years. We as taxpayers have not voted to keep the funding up. End result: the UC system had to find ways to fund itself, or risk collapse.
Does anyone believe that the UC system wants to raise tuition? Or wants to have to rely on private donations and corporate partnerships to survive? I don't. I think that LRDP, and all of the other fund raising efforts that partner UC with private enterprise, are survival tactics necessitated to ensure survival.
(Shreve, if I've misunderstood your statement, my apolyg. The way I read your post is that you feel that LRDP is some sort of proactive plan that the UC has come up with to get in bed with big business, whereas I feel it's a reactive plan based on scant alternative options. If I wasn't mistaken, then I'd be interested in your response to my premise.)
That phrasing, in my opinion, would seem to suggest that the UC system wants to privatize, and that LRDP is a part of that plan. I believe that the exact opposite is true. UC would like nothing better than to remain a publicly funded institution. But that is no longer a reality. The state has reduced funds drastically over the years. We as taxpayers have not voted to keep the funding up. End result: the UC system had to find ways to fund itself, or risk collapse.
Does anyone believe that the UC system wants to raise tuition? Or wants to have to rely on private donations and corporate partnerships to survive? I don't. I think that LRDP, and all of the other fund raising efforts that partner UC with private enterprise, are survival tactics necessitated to ensure survival.
(Shreve, if I've misunderstood your statement, my apolyg. The way I read your post is that you feel that LRDP is some sort of proactive plan that the UC has come up with to get in bed with big business, whereas I feel it's a reactive plan based on scant alternative options. If I wasn't mistaken, then I'd be interested in your response to my premise.)
The problem with that is that it still CLAIMS to be a public institute, it still has that label. So, essentially it is running as a CORRUPT public institute.
There is a place for private investment/funding, that is called the PRIVATE sector. (Private institutions/universities)
In my opinion, the UC should stop claiming the label of being public, or demand that the state funds the insitution entirely.
And also, remember that the regents do have personal corporate ties, let's keep their backgrounds in mind (all of that information is very available, you just have to search for it) It is very easy to see why corporate investment is in their best interest!
There is a place for private investment/funding, that is called the PRIVATE sector. (Private institutions/universities)
In my opinion, the UC should stop claiming the label of being public, or demand that the state funds the insitution entirely.
And also, remember that the regents do have personal corporate ties, let's keep their backgrounds in mind (all of that information is very available, you just have to search for it) It is very easy to see why corporate investment is in their best interest!
I think it's sensationalistic, and not realistic, to claim that it's "corrupt" for saying it's public because it's not 100% publicly funded. I don't believe that there is a public university in the country that doesn't accept private support. Do you believe otherwise?
And the UC can demand all it wants, but the state (which is us) isn't funding it fully. Do you really think UC wouldn't love that? Do you really think we as citizens are willing to fund it 100%? Historical reality, going back to the founding of the UC system, is that it's never been entirely funded by the state. And the votes of the citizens over the past 3 decades have shown that we aren't willing to support UC with the funding it needs to operate.
..which leaves UC with what realistic choice? I don't see any but the one it's embracing now, a combination of fees, public funding, and private/corporate donation.
As for the Regents, I find them a mixed lot, not universally corrupt with selfish financial gain as their primary motivation.
although the folks against development may not want it in their "backyard." i, as one of them, do not want this development in anybody's backyard which is different than liberal "nimby"ism. the one who is overusing this term actually i think is the liberal who refutes those who fight for their own homes and beloved places. the liberal instead thinks the rich should organize the poor as their "REAL activism." but the rich have always organized the poor and that's the problem, just as the rich have exploited the forests.
as a former ucsc student, i wish they would have not built that university there or developed and destroyed so many of the places that i was raised in, but they did and so i used it. trying to use the masters tools to dismantle the masters house. trying.
antidevelopment studetns are not bourgie fucks just becuase their parents are. cheers the the declasse!
as a former ucsc student, i wish they would have not built that university there or developed and destroyed so many of the places that i was raised in, but they did and so i used it. trying to use the masters tools to dismantle the masters house. trying.
antidevelopment studetns are not bourgie fucks just becuase their parents are. cheers the the declasse!
You say it's not the "real world", ok, that's fine. How about it's kind of "world" I'm working towards creating? You're implying that what I'm saying is idealistic, which is fine. Difference of opinions/ideas/visions/whatever.
There's also one other thing, the reason why all this is important-corporate agenda. Corporate donations/contributions are fine until corporate agenda affects education, education that's supposed to be PUBLIC. So maybe you're right, maybe there's no way for the UC to exist right now without corporate funding, cool...but let's kick out the corporate agenda which is what's really hurting education.
Anyways if you're interested in continuing this conversation I'd love to, but not behind blaring computer screens. I can give you my email if you are interested.
Goodnight!
There's also one other thing, the reason why all this is important-corporate agenda. Corporate donations/contributions are fine until corporate agenda affects education, education that's supposed to be PUBLIC. So maybe you're right, maybe there's no way for the UC to exist right now without corporate funding, cool...but let's kick out the corporate agenda which is what's really hurting education.
Anyways if you're interested in continuing this conversation I'd love to, but not behind blaring computer screens. I can give you my email if you are interested.
Goodnight!
Wow! Sorry to see where this thread has gone, but it does reveal some interesting underpinnings. Between (paraphrasing) the internally inconsistent "I went there, but wish it weren't there" to "maybe UC can't exist...cool" (really nice for all those that can't afford a private education), the loud voices of privilege speak.
As La etc. says, Good night.
As La etc. says, Good night.
I don't understand this fixation on "corporate" funding at UCSC. Corporations and other businesses provide a tiny, tiny fraction of the funds at UCSC, way behind state and federal money, tuition and fees, and private gifts from individuals and family foundations, and lots of the "corporate" support goes to scholarships for future teachers and things like that. Why are we spending all this time bashing one of the least corporate institutions in modern America?
I said "MAYBE THE UC CAN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW WITHOUT CORPORATE FUNDING, FINE, BUT LET'S TRY TO GET RID OF THE AGENDA THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE FUNDING THAT HURTS PUBLIC EDUCATION"
In no way was I saying that that all universities should be private, what I desire is the complete opposite.
In no way was I saying that that all universities should be private, what I desire is the complete opposite.
Ah, so you're saying corporate funding is fine, but not if there's any agenda or input whatsoever attached--which, when you think about it, makes no sense whatsoever. Why would any corporation want to contribute funding without any input or anticipated return whatsoever? While we're at it, perhaps we can get rid of the state agenda too that comes with their inadequate funding, as well (not bloody likely). The take-home message here is that full public funding would require *massive* advocacy for UC, and that's something that just about everybody at UC would love--and, its something that I'm guessing nobody (and especially not tree sit supporters) on this thread would take any part in. But, Thanks for the clarification, I guess...
-"I went there, but wish it weren't there" to "maybe UC can't exist...cool" (really nice for all those that can't afford a private education), the loud voices of privilege speak."
Good points! Sadly, Mr. Kaczynski above didn't use his education to learn how to capitalize sentences.
Good points! Sadly, Mr. Kaczynski above didn't use his education to learn how to capitalize sentences.
using "kacynski" is even more of a cheap shot than "nimby" or "privelage."
whereas when i use the term "liberal" its to describe a particular political tendancy that always opts for the lesser of two evils or rather (because evil is a draconian christian term) one who chooses reform over revolt. this is opposed to the term "radical" referring to tendancies which makes space for much more imagination such as the rejection of what society has paraded as "public" and "private" "education."
the concept of "declasse" refers to a rejection of privelage, if that's even possible. ucsc staffer, i don't see how my voice is any louder than yours.
college taught me to use lots of quotes.
i don't use caps apparently because my voice is SO "LOUD"!
dumpster, if your are so "diy," why do you wallow in spectacular and irrelevant insults.
what's really sad is that i keep wanting to respond. i guess its fun, but to some degree we are all irrevantly equal in cyperspace.
until we meet you'll never know me. unfortunately, i don't trust you. that is if you are already calling me kacynzki and you are a liberal, we saw what teddy's liberal brother did for him. there's a fine line between friendly conversation and interrogation.
*i'm not pro-kacynzki, i think he's irrelevant. i am anti-state and that's relevant.
whereas when i use the term "liberal" its to describe a particular political tendancy that always opts for the lesser of two evils or rather (because evil is a draconian christian term) one who chooses reform over revolt. this is opposed to the term "radical" referring to tendancies which makes space for much more imagination such as the rejection of what society has paraded as "public" and "private" "education."
the concept of "declasse" refers to a rejection of privelage, if that's even possible. ucsc staffer, i don't see how my voice is any louder than yours.
college taught me to use lots of quotes.
i don't use caps apparently because my voice is SO "LOUD"!
dumpster, if your are so "diy," why do you wallow in spectacular and irrelevant insults.
what's really sad is that i keep wanting to respond. i guess its fun, but to some degree we are all irrevantly equal in cyperspace.
until we meet you'll never know me. unfortunately, i don't trust you. that is if you are already calling me kacynzki and you are a liberal, we saw what teddy's liberal brother did for him. there's a fine line between friendly conversation and interrogation.
*i'm not pro-kacynzki, i think he's irrelevant. i am anti-state and that's relevant.
Don't you see the big picture????? In five years, California will be spending more money on prisons than it will be on the UC, CSU, and community colleges combined.
Don't you realize that our state at this point doesn't give a crap about funding for education??? We need to question how the government is handling our money, our economy, and OUR LIVES!!! What is the point of even having so many resrictive and oppressive laws if they don't even guarantee us job training or higher education?!?!?!?!
Hello world!!!! Wake up! We are killing ourselves and our planet!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you realize that our state at this point doesn't give a crap about funding for education??? We need to question how the government is handling our money, our economy, and OUR LIVES!!! What is the point of even having so many resrictive and oppressive laws if they don't even guarantee us job training or higher education?!?!?!?!
Hello world!!!! Wake up! We are killing ourselves and our planet!!!!!!!!!!
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