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Yearly Kos Has Endangered Hillary’s Nomination

by Paul Hogarth via Beyond Chron
Monday, August 6, 2007 : With 1,500 delegates at the Yearly Kos Convention, I only met two Hillary Clinton supporters – despite media portrayals of a “warm” reception. She is the current front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and is hoping to get it by inevitability. But this doesn’t mean that the blogosphere is “out of touch,” although the blogger demographics clearly work against her.
Hillary Clinton’s current lead in the polls comes from a higher name recognition that will change, and a strategic muddling of her position on Iraq so that anti-war progressives don’t hate her.

And Hillary was the biggest loser in the Convention’s August 4th Debate, as she defended taking money from Washington lobbyists and argued that we are now “safer” than on September 11th. While Iraq never came up in her individual break-out session, that’s because only five people – including myself – got to ask her a question. Hillary’s response to my question, which concerned the Clinton years and was the session’s “only moment of tension,” confirmed that she is a ruthless triangulator who will take progressives for granted. If Democrats realize this, she will lose the nomination.

“It is really no mystery why Hillary Clinton’s current lead is not reflected in the netroots,” said Chris Bowers of Open Left, and formerly MyDD.com. “The blogosphere is 60% male, and she does better with women. It’s 45% secular, and her voters are religious. Bloggers are younger, richer and better informed. In every single circumstance, it’s the worst demographic for Hillary Clinton.”

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§NPR & Cokie Roberts
by Daily Kos (repost)
First, Congratulations to Markos & the YearlyKos gathering for its successful convention and for the great work that's been done establishing a Democratic message from the Netroots to the politicians.

Although I was not able to attend myself, I was very interested in this year's convention and the gathering of candidates and bloggers in attendance. As expected, the MSM did not cover YearlyKos apparently because the gathering of all but one of the Democratic Presidential cnadidates is not sufficient reason to send a reporter or give any air time to the story.

So why is it that this morning on NPR, Cokie Roberts reported that Hillary Clinton attended the YearlyKos convention and was able to woe the crowd, a crowd that largely favored John Edwards.

The only news item that made it onto the air was Hillary's lust for lobbyist cash that got her roundly booed while on stage with Obama and Edwards. In fact, she attempted to justify her greed by saying that loobyists do, in fact, represent our interests.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/6/64733/69495
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by reality check
well, there u have it!

Hillary Clinton was "able to woe the crowd" at the conservative hack-fest that masquerades as a 'progressive' news event.

Woe to the sell-outs who think there is any hope of making the unDemocratic Party more 'progressive'! The woeful votes of HRC prove that her declaration that she is a 'progressive' is a hypocritical lie, and that progressive is the new conservative.

The over-rated Kos blog universe, like the woe-inspiring MoveOn.org, is just another false promise of change. The unDemocratic Party is a dead-end. Why do these charlatans who profess progressivism keep herding more lemmings over the cliff to have their hopes shattered by the corrupt and hopeless corporate Bush-lite bullshitters? Fame and fortune? Power and influence? Kickbacks and advertising sales? Woe is them!

If only the crowd had been more woeful and realized the sad state of affairs that selling out to the duopoly has left 'progressives' in.
by cp
What approach has a record of actually winning gains?
by ...
"What approach has a record of actually winning gains?"

The world changes and everything acts as a cause and nothing can really be said to be the single cause. WWI seemed to have a cause that was the result of a single person, Gavrilo Princip, but most history books make an effort to point out that the world was heading to war and it was just a spark (but maybe something else would have happened and there never would have been a spark?).
Princip had gone into Moritz Schiller's cafe for a sandwich, having apparently given up, when he spotted Franz Ferdinand's car as it drove past, having taken the wrong turn. After realizing the mistake, the driver put his foot on the brake, and began to back up. In doing so the engine of the car stalled and the gears locked, giving Princip his shot.
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WWI may never have happened if it wasnt for one person but its a it more than that since it may never have happened if the driver hadn't stalled, they hadn't taken that exact route, or the sandwich has been served slower. If someone in the restaurant had spilled their drink and the wait staff had to clean it up, perhaps he wouldn't have walked out right when Franz Ferdinand's car went by and WWI would never have started.

Without WWI, the Ottoman Empire may not have fallen (perhaps the Young Turks would have turned it into a major power again). Without WWI the Russian Revolution likely would have never happened. Without WWI, the US may never have become a world power.....

Protests, blogs, and everything you do has an effect. It is impossible to predict exactly what the effect will be but everything that comes next is the effect.
by had a pretty good record....
The Popular Front (better known in America as the "New Deal") had a pretty good track record of making meaningful changes in the material conditions of the "lower" classes for a long time, pissing off corporados for decades since and (of course) subject to vicious attacks to this day. That of course meant (cough) working with the Dems.

Still, hard to argue with gains like that, unless you think the suffering of the masses is the path to revolution, or something.
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