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Grim Pictures from UC Regents Protest at UCSC
by Sarah
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 2:03 AM
Santa Cruz students were confronted by police as they attempted to voice concerns about many heated issues of UC policy, during a protest at a regents meeting. Here are a few photographs taken from the front lines of the Santa Cruz protest against the UC Regents, hopefully they will provide a clearer account of what actually happened during the chaos.
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by thanks!
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 2:06 AM
these are really awesome photos, thank you Sarah.
by Becky Johnson
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 6:09 AM
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Remember the UCSC police used banned carotid artery pressure on 21 UCSC students for sitting on the ground
in the Free Speech area after 8PM!!! (there WAS no Tent U. this year, not so coincidentally).

(they were threatening no one, and had tried numerous times to negotiate with the administration).

Amazing photos! UCSC students and protesters learned the brutal nature of control
exercised against them and paid for out of tax dollars.

While police forces primarily protect the rich, the businesses, and institutionalize violence
against the poor, people of color, the disabled, activists, youthful gatherings, and homeless
people, its rare when that naked force is used against white, middle and upper class
sons and daughters of rich and well-connected segments of the population.

But looking at the incarceration rates in Santa Cruz County Jails,
these student just got a taste of what these other populations always
encounter.
by Dan Mcmullan
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 6:32 AM
Thanks for letting the world know that the U.C. is not only out of control here in Berkeley but througout our state.
by verste
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 7:34 AM
If someone came across just these photos, and hadn't read the article in the Mercury News, they could easily have no idea what is going on here. I only understand because I read the AP story.
by student
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 9:45 AM
Sarah has some of the best - up close shots of the action that I've seen yet. If you want the full story, read the other posts on Indymedia, including:

Why We're Here and What We're Fighting For
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/18/18321441.php

and

Students Hold Speak-Out for Visiting Regents, Police Give Response
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/20/18321742.php

--

make sure to check back in a few days when much more material is posted.
by anonymous
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 1:10 PM
And yes, batons were used, three different variations in fact; one being a retractable wand-like baton that is extremely dangerous.
In addition, while protesters were being violently dragged into the building, there were multiple instances of officers kicking them as they lay powerless on the floor. If that's not enough, most protesters who happened to be too close to the police left with severe bruises, one bleeding from the head...not to mention the mace of course.

Therefore, shut your pig mouth if you weren't there. You defending the actions taken by the state demonstrates deliberate denial.
by cp
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 3:57 PM
On a different but very related topic, Halloween is coming up in 10 days.
City on a Hill press and local TV channels have had an advertisement made by the city which shows a clown being arrested, and warns that funny business such as public intoxication won't be tolerated in downtown Santa Cruz on halloween. It is worthwhile thinking through what might happen then, given that even more precautions are being taken than last year.
Each year, perhaps 10,000 people from the local county and San jose come to Pacific Street for halloween. There is no organized activity by the city, and indeed, many of the businesses close. Last year there was an extreme shortage of public bathrooms. The police department was under pressure to prevent lawbreaking that had occurred in previous years, and they had set up an arrangement where much of the center traffic lane was kept free of pedestrians with temporary fencing, and people were forced to remain on the sidewalks. As a big crowd developed, jams of people were forced to patiently wait to walk in the narrow area, and expressed frustration to police who kept control of the traffic lane. Some seemed to empathize and said that the lane needed to remain empty for if/when stabbings would occur later in the evening. I saw mostly completely polite teens and little sketchy behavior, but I noticed that some already looked bored. There was no central focus such as a music performance, so people were grouping around things such as hippie drum circles, and others were lined up against the wall waiting for something to happen. Later that evening, a few developmentally delayed gangster kids had some knife fights, and the police were criticized for not preemptively catching those people. So it looks like there might be more preemption planned in two weeks. This will affect quite a few people. I wonder if the same crowd control techniques will be used.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 4:58 PM
Why don't you try engaging others positively? It doesn't take much to tear things down. Civil disobedience is the flathead's way. No skills? Civil disobedience then. When I was at UCSC there was a group of professors that were old hangers on from the 60's spreading their secular, socialistic mind numbing ideology and they really were annoying, but I never interrupted their lectures out of a sense of personal dignity and respect. Now I hear they have even hired Angela Davis! I was personally present at the Marin County Courthouse when her activist buddies blew the head off Judge Haley with her shotgun. Charming. Why does anyone even listen to these people??? Have fun and enjoy yourself. Do something positive that doesn't trod on the rights of others to co-exist and disagree with you. Get a life. Geeeesh.
by eh
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 5:31 PM
To Cynthia: When has non-violence worked? And don't say Ghandi. Ghandi had the support of the masses. In our world, our America, where the masses have been crushed into apathetic little cubes of middle class ignorance and patriotism, non-violence does not work. The only reason you heard about this incident is because it was an incident. Yeah, confronting cops is asking for aggression. So, instead of a non-violent response (i.e. legalized violence against people by 'authority' - which is really just a one sided and brutal violence) why not a violent one (i.e. hit them back)? Really, what has non-violence got you? Well, I don't know you. Most 'pacifists' (and I am not speaking in regards to war, but on a day to day level - especially at protests) fear radical violence because they know that it will eventually be directed against their bourgeois neighborhoods, their offices, and their cars. Too bad.
by eh
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 5:36 PM
To all advocates of 'non-violence:' have you ever had someone hit you, kick you, and generally abuse you with no immediate means of recourse? Do you know what it is like to watch your friends get beaten and have to stand there and watch it happen knowing that if you were to hit back you would be spending the next couple years (potentially) in jail or (at the very least) paying a hefty fine? Your moral high ground is a privelage that you have. Understand that not everyone has your 'ethical' privelage of standing back and watching.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 6:06 PM
eh
You misunderstand me. I'm not non-violent. Nuke Iran! There see? I guess what I should ask you is what did you try before civil disobediance? You are right in that if I hadn't seen the pictures and the blurb on this website, I wouldn't know about the bruhaha, but I did know about the many many concerns that students have. However, I'm not clear, having read this website, exactly what your goals were this time. You also seem to have your friends and enemies mixed up. I have never seen a soccer mom behead a journalist before.

As for the complaints about some people having more than others, and the difficulties one faces garnering influence; Geesh, I wasn't born yesterday.

When has non-violence worked for me? Since I haven't resorted to it personally, I guess I would say always. And from my way of looking at it the cops were non-violent with the 'protesters'. That is, unless they were all ninnies that cry foul when the expected happens.

I notice you didn't mention the Angela Davis thing. That is where all this infantile acting up leads you know. Exploding heads. People that kill your friends and coworkers and then sit in a professorship chair up on the Hill spewing their way of thinking. Talk about priviledge. You think if I offed her ass for a good cause I might get to teach up there?

by Cynthia Fuhrman
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 6:10 PM
No. But I do remember Kent University. Is that what you are pushing toward? Now that got lots and lots of attention nationally. With any luck you might make the big time like they did. What are you thinking???
by moto
Friday Oct 20th, 2006 7:30 PM
Bird flu will take care of us all.

Yes - part of what he/she said right there is true. One should carefully think twice before posting photos of people online. Isn't this why that Josh Wolf guy is in jail, for not turning over a videotape? The first thought you would have is that hundreds of people were there able to watch, and that campus staff probably were filming or photographing this, but the local Sentinel newspaper said that the FBI had reassigned someone to this area to investigate that SUV tire popping thing last year, and they easily could get a set of photos, and then suspect those people of being leaders later on, whether they were random bystanders or not.
by ^
Saturday Oct 21st, 2006 3:15 AM
Pepper spray, which should be banned, is only supposed to be used in violent situations instead of a gun. Clearly, there was no violent situation here. The pepper spray, the beatings, kickings, and all the rest of the police brutality are certainly worth a lawsuit. These photos alone will force a settlement as they easily convict the police of police brutality. All of the victims should be sure to go to a doctor to "put it on the record." And many thanks to the students who were willing to stand up to the thugs of the capitalist class, the police, and the lackeys of the capitalist class, the Regents of UC, the latter of whom, along with their deans and other university management are clearly engaged in till tapping, milking the public treasury dry to enrich themselves. The university should be free, as should the books and university housing, and all medical care. $7,000 a year fees plus $11,000 room and board, according to my reference source, is outrageous. There really needs to be a labor strike, statewide, with student support, as the low wages and high fees are all part of the same problem: The greed of the capitalistt class and their upper middle class management lackeys.
by Phil Lee
Saturday Oct 21st, 2006 4:55 PM
I love the shot of the UC cop, shooting the other UC cop with pepper spray. Their wanton violence had some self-inflicted blowback. Serves them right. Makes me laugh.
by ken keegan
Sunday Oct 22nd, 2006 3:50 AM
I guess Ms Fuhrman only can cite what all hypocritical republican conservatives believe in - throw out a misleading fact (Angela Davis) and ignore all other facts. As a U.C.S.C. graduate and staff member, I can recall when students forced the U.C. regents to divest from South Africa by seizing the Chancellor's office in 1984 and temporarily renaming the library "Mandela" library. The police were intelligent and restrained from violent action and good things happened. I watched as riot police tried to intimidate the students at Tent University and at this rally but only galvanized their beliefs that authorities were dishonest and brutal in their actions. The regents were never in peril. The students were ignored and wanted a response. Ms Fuhrman, this is the United States where people are free to protest without violent consequences and Santa Cruz won't tolerate your facism disguised as righteous outrage. Try Utah.
by Photographer
Sunday Oct 22nd, 2006 2:54 PM
http://www.santacruzphotogallery.com/gallery/protest
by ryan j saari
Sunday Oct 22nd, 2006 11:12 PM
my mind was made up long ago that police are pigs (armed force of the riuling class and no reformed is possible)

i live in ghost town (west oakland) because i'm white the situation is different for but all non-whites in my nieborhood live under the gun ( the authorty of the pplice) everyday. this act of unjucticed voilence by the police is just a small documented action that they do daily in by neibhborhood.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 9:45 AM
Great. Let me tell you who I am and then you tell me if I don't belong here. I am one quarter Cherokee--my grandma's father walked the trail of tears to Oklahoma. My grandma ended up here in California after the farm was ruined in the dust bowl and her youngest son died of starvation. They lived in a chicken coop in Chowchilla and worked in the fields. Eventually she got a job as the elementary school teacher there when my grandpa died of a heart attack at 50. The Bolles side of my family moved here in 1640 and the Hunt side a bit earlier. I was born in Berkeley while my dad was attending UC Berkeley. My uncle J. Roy was a medic in the Batan death march, my uncle Tony flew surveillence over the former Soviet Union as a Russian language specialist. My father served as a radio operator in WWII. My mom got a masters in psychiatric social work from USC and worked her whole life for the University of California. My father was manager of operations for the Sacramento Municipal Utilities District, and then Director of Energy Resources for Eugene Water and Electric Board, both publicly held entities. I am an alumni of UCSC, double major in physics and women's studies. my husband has lived here since 1950, graduated from SLV, and worked in the trades here ever since. He even helped build UCSC, as a carpenter, which he still is today at 65 years of age.

What are your stories? I find it unbelievable that you would want to uproot my family over a difference of opinion, and that you find no room for my views. What a bunch of self serving jerks. Well, bring it on mofo.
by another mofo
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 10:43 AM
You certainly don't belong on this site (or speaking for myself, I don't tolerate you).

You said, up above, "Civil disobedience is the flathead's way. No skills? Civil disobedience then. "

Civil disobedience is a tactic that is used when the traditional "skills" have been exhausted- meetings, negotiation, that kind of thing.

You also said, "Have fun and enjoy yourself. Do something positive that doesn't trod on the rights of others to co-exist and disagree with you. Get a life. Geeeesh."

exactly, why don't you go for a hike or serve food to the homeless or clean up the beach or do some yoga. Or read a book. Or go to New Orleans and help clean out houses and build new ones. But please don't troll on this site and sit around getting in arguments with people you'll never agree with, and who you will never persuade to see your "side."
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 11:37 AM
""You certainly don't belong on this site (or speaking for myself, I don't tolerate you).
You also said, "Have fun and enjoy yourself. Do something positive that doesn't trod on the rights of others to co-exist and disagree with you. Get a life. Geeeesh."

exactly, why don't you go for a hike or serve food to the homeless or clean up the beach or do some yoga. Or read a book. Or go to New Orleans and help clean out houses and build new ones. But please don't troll on this site and sit around getting in arguments with people you'll never agree with, and who you will never persuade to see your "side."""

I have done alot of public service. I can't right now because I have cancer. I'm house bound. As far as trolling this site, isn't it a public site? And as for people you will never agree with, and who you will never persuade to see your side-- Isn't that what you are doing? And promoting violence and hatred toward them to boot? You say you want to be heard by the 'establishment' or whatever, and when you have a chance to make your arguments to someone who is willing to engage you, you say 'get lost'. Isn't that what you are saying the Regents are doing to you?

I think there are better ways to accomplish things. Ways that promote community instead of fracturing the bonds between people. You don't always get to have your way, and neither do I. The difference seems to be that I am willing to engage your ideas, and present arguments to them, and you are telling me to get lost. You seem like the recalcitrant power mongers to me. I hope you will open up your group a little to include a wider range of ideas. We all might learn something.

And--Angela Davis did purchase the shotgun used to kill judge Haley only a couple of weeks before the slaughter, and was a co-activist friend to the perps. Look for lines of distinction between the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Power Movement.
by another mofo
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 11:40 AM
"Angela Davis did purchase the shotgun used to kill judge Haley only a couple of weeks before the slaughter, and was a co-activist friend to the perps. Look for lines of distinction between the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Power Movement."

I haven't read enough about her case- seem to have lost the paperback of her autobiography- but was the shotgun purchased with the killing of the judge in mind? Or does Angela have a right to keep and near arms?
by eh
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 11:58 AM
"I have never seen a soccer mom behead a journalist before" - Cynthia

Holy shit! They may not behead journalists, but they sure do looove to pay their taxes that go to buy weapons for soldiers. Soldiers can walk through houses in Iraq, murdering entire families because all American, soccer moms included, allow their taxes to fund war. Apathy is a form a violence. It is, in fact, the most nerfarious form because it is so socially acceptable. You have to pay your taxes, right? You can't use violence against the state, right? I guess sometimes people have to do die because we just haaaave to do certain things, but that's ok, right Cynthia? We are nothing like terrorists. Keep telling yourself that.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 11:59 AM
Angela was active in the Black Power Movement and specifically, in getting these guys out of jail. All the state was able to prove was that she purchased the shotgun , she was intimately involved with the people surrounding the murder, and that the shotgun was used in the murder. At the time my boyfriend was a court reporter and had been working at the Marin County courts. Our best friend was Judge Haley's reporter and he was tied up on the floor with a gun to his head. Somehow, he wasn't lead out of the courthouse with the others. It was a gruseome day, not unlike the day that fellow in Atlanta blasted his way out of the courthouse last year. Not a day I would like to see repeated for any cause. Judge Haley was a kind man, and a dedicated civil servant. No good came from that mess.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 12:07 PM
Oh, and of course she has a right to 'keep' and bear arms. Let's just hope that the next time she buys a gun, she 'keeps' it; out of the hands of murderers.
by eh
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 12:11 PM
I, for one, do not want Cyntia to leave. Provocation is positive. I do not in any way want to silence Cynthia, just provide discussion.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 12:23 PM
Holy shit! They may not behead journalists, but they sure do looove to pay their taxes that go to buy weapons for soldiers. Soldiers can walk through houses in Iraq, murdering entire families because all American, soccer moms included, allow their taxes to fund war. Apathy is a form a violence. It is, in fact, the most nerfarious form because it is so socially acceptable. You have to pay your taxes, right? You can't use violence against the state, right? I guess sometimes people have to do die because we just haaaave to do certain things, but that's ok, right Cynthia? We are nothing like terrorists. Keep telling yourself that.

Good, Eh, we're still talking. Excellent. Does the implicit in your assertion beg the question? When is violence justified? You set the parameters that limit the argument, and I'll follow.
"I have never seen a soccer mom behead a journalist before" - Cynthia

Holy shit! They may not behead journalists, but they sure do looove to pay their taxes that go to buy weapons for soldiers. Soldiers can walk through houses in Iraq, murdering entire families because all American, soccer moms included, allow their taxes to fund war. Apathy is a form a violence. It is, in fact, the most nerfarious form because it is so socially acceptable. --eh

Nefarious is from Latin nefarius, from nefas, "that which is contrary to divine command"

Does this mean you are intentionally making a moral argument based on absolute truth as given us by God? If so, that would be very refreshing and welcomed!

OK. I agree I am being a pain in the neck, but..... it's funny, no?
Don't hit me.
by distraction distraction
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 2:10 PM
when people can not stand to see and hear the truth, they overwhelm you with a bunch of nonsense and complete off-topic --angela davis!?--bullshit. Sure, whenever someone is hating on UCSC... be sure to mention Angela Davis.

What were we talking about again, oh yeah...

UCSC Community Confronts Regents, Cops Respond with Violence, Pepper-Spray
3 Students Arrested Demanding Democratization, Fixing of Problems Before Expansion
http://indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/20/18321848.php

oh and for the record, the Sentinel's photographer was smiling while he took photos of kids trying to wash the pepper-spray out of their eyes.
http://indybay.org/uploads/2006/10/22/sentinelphotographer.jpg

Victims of Violence: When UC Police Attack
http://indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/22/18322461.php
by fuck the regents
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 2:38 PM
damn, you can see the hate in that cop's face in the second picture.

much love from an ex-ucsc'er in chicago <3
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 3:11 PM
when people can not stand to see and hear the truth, they overwhelm you with a bunch of nonsense (read: things 'distraction distraction' doesn't understand or want to hear) and complete off-topic --angela davis!?--bullshit. Sure, whenever someone is hating on UCSC... be sure to mention Angela Davis. --distraction distraction

"overwhelm you with a bunch of nonsense" -- ha! Read: things 'distraction' either doesn't understand or want to hear!

"not being able to see and stand the truth"-- Hello??? And what truth would that be? Tell me. I'm trying to flesh out what is going on and what is being said and what reasoning and arguments underly the issue. It only makes sense to analyse and offer context and varying points of view. How else is anyone expected to participate and understand? If you think I am going to blindly accept your conclusions you nuts. What makes you think I hate UCSC? The eye of the beholder??

The Angela Davis thing was an aside; one that was used as a historical reference to violence and civil disobedience as a method and where it often leads, but I guess you didn't pick up on that.

by Bob love
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 6:06 PM
When will we Learn ?

It's like six years of bush and many , many years of Police abuse and lies . Some thing can't be undone , But I do belive one can ack now for change then wait and or use of the same tacticks , how many people do have to die at the guns of the "COPS" before we all togeather fight back . What is holding "US" back from taking the next step the only step .
by not true
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 6:14 PM
There is a fine line on the provocation question. People post things to this site that provoke a reaction and don't encourage discussion- all the time. Like when they use the word zionazi without explaining why, or when they insult each other, or when they keep trying to start arguments.

I'm not sure about the Santa Cruz page, but the Indybay editors tend to hide things like Cynthia's (and your) comments, because THIS IS A NEWS WEBSITE. There are plenty of discussion websites out there, but this site was not intended to be a place for people who have nothing better to do to pick fights with people they don't know and will never meet.

This person claims to have cancer, and says that it is the reason she can't be doing anything positive. This means: not yoga, not reading a book, not resisting the compulsion to pick fights on indybay. I still can't feel bad for her. If she had more positive energy in her life, it might help her to get better.
by Cynthia Fuhrman
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 6:54 PM
There is a fine line on the provocation question. People post things to this site that provoke a reaction and don't encourage discussion- all the time. Like when they use the word zionazi without explaining why, or when they insult each other, or when they keep trying to start arguments.

OK. I get it. This is a site for people that agree with you. Not Independent anything. Disgreeing, asking pertinent questions, and speaking a different point of view isn't tolerated. When I saw the Post a comment link, I thought it was for posting comments. Silly me.


This person claims to have cancer, and says that it is the reason she can't be doing anything positive. This means: not yoga, not reading a book, not resisting the compulsion to pick fights on indybay. >> It doesn't take much for you to feel like fighting, does it?.<<I still can't feel bad for her. If she had more positive energy in her life, it might help her to get better.

OK Trying to talk with you about something meaningful isn't considered positive. No wonder the Regents give you the cold shoulder. I have Non hodgins B cell lymphoma. I guess I did that to myself? If only I thought like you I wouldn't have lymphoma? Nice people here on IndyMedia. Real community spirit. Peace out.
by Robert Norse
Monday Oct 23rd, 2006 10:32 PM
Any updates on the fate of the students arrested, future demonstrations planned, further progress on the issues raised outside the Regents' meeting?
Perhaps someone could start a new thread with this info..
by ...
Tuesday Oct 24th, 2006 7:27 PM
the cop in picture #2 is, in fact, satan himself, defending the regents' production of nuclear warheads at los alamos lab against the idealistic student protesters
the violence by the police is obvious and very upsetting. It is profoundly upsetting that such violence seems to be more and more commonplace by our official authorities around the globe and in our classrooms and public spaces, and we don't even find out about it save for independent media, which obviously can't always be there. Even if it were "legal" to do what the cops did, it is so clearly wrong morally to do what they did to nonviolent protesters. I can't really imagine any situation in which it would be okay to pepper spray someone save to stop that person from imminently doing oneself or another great harm... and even then it's not as though one would not suffer from (and need to deal with) being one to use pepper spray on another person.

but if we call a cop "satan himself," that's a dehumanization (definitely a relatively small dehumanization). It may be very helpful to sling some rhetorical venom around, let out our anger, but the fact remains: the police are among us, live in the same society many of us also live in, and, if we are able, we have to change how they become what too many of them have become. And actually, I think holding them accountable is about the most humane thing we can possibly do, and we still have so much ability to work for such accountability, really!
by Ummm...
Wednesday May 30th, 2007 7:58 PM
I don't know, but, by the way she uses her vocabulary, seemed to me like Cynthia was a young troll, spewing acid and corrosive thoughts through the web. BTW, totally right about the Good Vibration on her: I only wish her a lot of love.

Now, DOWN TO BUSINESS!!!


I totally agree that is not a good idea for the Police to do what they do. Any form of pressurin' those Super Security Paranoid Taxes...? (You know what I mean)
My concern, as obvious, are the students.
Me, 4 one, is thinkin' of buying a pair of goggles, 'cuz there's no way in HELL I'm gettin' pepper sprayed in my lifetime by some people who has been forced to become nimrods... and I don't think it's a bad idea to wear some kinda gimmick to protect you in some way.
On the other hand, way to go. Lot of love and support from the NYC.

Last, but not least, I have a favor to ask.
A cousin of mine lives in Colombia, and she told me that a big strike is happenin', because this stubborn-aggresive goverment has planned to force a payment which, if the University admitted it, it would bankrupt. Have I mentioned is the biggest PUBLIC University in Colombia, and that it has been home to many brilliant and good :) people?
They need all the good comments and suggestions they can get, and trust me, THEY ARE NOT AGAINST U.S.A. and no, they don't think we all have rimmed horns and forked tongues... yes, my friends, they don't think we're all Bad Guys, and they need this strike to go Global... and yes, once again, they need someone who can ride the waves too...

If any of you knows yer spanish really good, please visit:

pasquinete.blogspot.com

Because the Universidad Nacional de Colombia (Nacional University of Colombia) is looking for support, and fresh and strong experiences would really help right now. People are asking this simple question: IF IT'S PUBLIC, WHY IN THE HELL DOES IT HAS TO PAY THINGS THAT ARE A RESPONSABILITY OF THE STATE?!. IF IT'S PUBLIC AND THEY SAY THEY LOVE IT, WHY DO THEY WANT TO REDUCE IT TO POOR PENSUM CAREERS?
And we're talking about the payment of $3'475.000'698.000 [that's Colombian pesos: do the Math, if you may] in a country in which many college kids go to the U with less than US$10 A WHOLE WEEK. And yes, they do transport, eat, xerox some books, go surfin' on the Web and pay for special career stuff with that money, because they won't have a choice, because they won't be GIVIN' a choice...

Feel simpathy/empathy/love for what you read?

Please, visit that website, which has DOCUMENTS about why the Permanent Discussion Stand is onwards and why it has a valid and legal reason to exist. And, spread the word. Maybe it can learn some things that movement from this one and this one from that one.

From NYC, Kicking Iulianni's Ass all over the place with my big bad Green Boot,

Romano.


P.s.: Lots a love.
P.s.2: Love to E. Galeano. :) (Writer, a must)
by gretchen
Wednesday Feb 27th, 2008 5:18 AM
Be happy to get a great education! You are angry young people who want to take out your angers over your childhood on the higher education system. If you do not like UCSC then leave and move some place that likes your child like behavior. I recommend traveling and seeing how the rest of the world works. I saw was with my mom and watched JUDGE HALEY DIE! HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED A PERSON DIE FROM A VIOLENT CRIME? I WAS JUST A LITTLE GIRL.IT FILLS MY DREAMS.
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