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Salmon River Timber Sale Loses in 9th Circuit Court: Time to Gear Up!
June 23, 2006: The Knob Timber Sale lost on all counts in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Knob is one of three old growth timber sales (along with the already cut Glassups sale and currently in court Meteor sale) making up a “mega-sale” on the wild and scenic Salmon River of Siskiyou County, CA. After years in court, the Knob sale will soon be auctioned and slated for cut there after. Some of the last intact oldgrowth forest in the United States can be found in these public-land timber sales.
Salmon River Timber Sale Loses in 9th Circuit Court:
Time to Gear Up!
June 23, 2006: The Knob Timber Sale lost on all counts in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Knob is one of three old growth timber sales (along with the already cut Glassups sale and currently in court Meteor sale) making up a “mega-sale” on the wild and scenic Salmon River of Siskiyou County, CA. After years in court, the Knob sale will soon be auctioned and slated for cut there after. Some of the last intact oldgrowth forest in the United States can be found in these public-land timber sales.
In 2003 activists came together to stop the cumulative effects of the Glassups, Knob, and Meteor Timber Sales. That year, forest defenders rose up in three tree-sits in the Glassups sale. Although Glassups fell, the Knob auction was held off till now, a huge victory! But the struggle continues – Forest defenders of the Salmon River are committed to fighting the Knob sale through direct action! We are a diverse and colorful group of local concerned community members as well as activists from all over the country. The movement fighting to stop harmful and un-lawful logging is a multi-limbed creature. When the “arm” of litigation tires…the now rested and muscular arm of direct action re-emerges.
Key issues of Salmon River timber sales:
* Wild and Scenic Corridors: In both Knob and Meteor, logging would occur within the designated Wild and Scenic corridors of the North and South Fork of the Salmon River, which is renowned for its world-class, whitewater recreation.
* Impacts on listed species: Through all the current Salmon River sales, much of the critical spotted owl habitat (outside of late successional reserves) would be removed on the two forks of the river. The sales target much of the remaining low elevation ancient forests in the district and would affect all old growth dependent species in the area.
* Cumulative watershed impacts: Much of Knob and Meteor is composed of landslide-prone decomposed granite soil, and many units are directly along the river or in riparian reserves. Also, the Salmon River provides a critical source of cold water to the Klamath River, which supports the most productive chinook salmon fishery in California and also hosts coho salmon, green sturgeon and other critically imperiled fish species. The Salmon River provides some of the last spawning grounds for spring Chinook in the entire Klamath Basin.
* Increased fuels risk: The logging units target the largest, most fire-resistant trees on the Salmon River and in many cases would leave only the fine fuels behind. The Forest service should be focusing on protecting communities from fire - not creating a more fire-prone landscape by removing all of the large trees in a remote area.
For more information search “Salmon River timber sales” on the web.
Stay tuned for more!
Time to Gear Up!
June 23, 2006: The Knob Timber Sale lost on all counts in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Knob is one of three old growth timber sales (along with the already cut Glassups sale and currently in court Meteor sale) making up a “mega-sale” on the wild and scenic Salmon River of Siskiyou County, CA. After years in court, the Knob sale will soon be auctioned and slated for cut there after. Some of the last intact oldgrowth forest in the United States can be found in these public-land timber sales.
In 2003 activists came together to stop the cumulative effects of the Glassups, Knob, and Meteor Timber Sales. That year, forest defenders rose up in three tree-sits in the Glassups sale. Although Glassups fell, the Knob auction was held off till now, a huge victory! But the struggle continues – Forest defenders of the Salmon River are committed to fighting the Knob sale through direct action! We are a diverse and colorful group of local concerned community members as well as activists from all over the country. The movement fighting to stop harmful and un-lawful logging is a multi-limbed creature. When the “arm” of litigation tires…the now rested and muscular arm of direct action re-emerges.
Key issues of Salmon River timber sales:
* Wild and Scenic Corridors: In both Knob and Meteor, logging would occur within the designated Wild and Scenic corridors of the North and South Fork of the Salmon River, which is renowned for its world-class, whitewater recreation.
* Impacts on listed species: Through all the current Salmon River sales, much of the critical spotted owl habitat (outside of late successional reserves) would be removed on the two forks of the river. The sales target much of the remaining low elevation ancient forests in the district and would affect all old growth dependent species in the area.
* Cumulative watershed impacts: Much of Knob and Meteor is composed of landslide-prone decomposed granite soil, and many units are directly along the river or in riparian reserves. Also, the Salmon River provides a critical source of cold water to the Klamath River, which supports the most productive chinook salmon fishery in California and also hosts coho salmon, green sturgeon and other critically imperiled fish species. The Salmon River provides some of the last spawning grounds for spring Chinook in the entire Klamath Basin.
* Increased fuels risk: The logging units target the largest, most fire-resistant trees on the Salmon River and in many cases would leave only the fine fuels behind. The Forest service should be focusing on protecting communities from fire - not creating a more fire-prone landscape by removing all of the large trees in a remote area.
For more information search “Salmon River timber sales” on the web.
Stay tuned for more!
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Salmon River Timber Sale Loses in 9th Circuit Court:
Time to Gear Up!
By: Salmon RIver Forest Defenders
Time to Gear Up!
By: Salmon RIver Forest Defenders
Is the THP available on the interweb? I would like to see it, please.
Its as if the goal of the US empire is the total annihilation of anything wild and free.
p.s. your headline is a little confusing, I would say that the Timber Sale (as a concept) won. The forest and the salmon and the humans who rely on them may be the real losers if the Knob sale is cut.
p.s. your headline is a little confusing, I would say that the Timber Sale (as a concept) won. The forest and the salmon and the humans who rely on them may be the real losers if the Knob sale is cut.
I can't tell if I am happy or sad
I am confused?
Maybe I need it explained
Forest Cutting OK
Forest Cutting Not OK
Thanks ....I hope I will be smiling?
I am confused?
Maybe I need it explained
Forest Cutting OK
Forest Cutting Not OK
Thanks ....I hope I will be smiling?
They don't need to file a THP in the forest service my dear MOI. all they have to do is file an EIS and EIR and they can cut the trees down. Nature bats last
so is it possible to see that? does the USFS have that public? they don't have to draft anything indicating where the perimiter will be, how many trees they're taking, etc.? we need to know these things so that we can properly fuck them up soon, you know
You can find the Knob timber sale documents here:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/klamath/publications/pdfs/knobsale/index.shtml
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/klamath/publications/pdfs/knobsale/index.shtml
Hey you jokers, I'm all trees. This is the worst writing I have ever read in my life and there is no possible way I can understand what is happening. You make it sound hopeless and worthless to even think of...
Who's selling what - who does this forest belong to?
Why? (covert and overt reason, both sides)
What is wrong with this? (even though I already have an idea...)
How would I be able to do anything more now, after it has been settled in court?
And what?
Should I go buy a gun and start shooting loggers? That would solve this problem, right?
Lastly, why not convince a rich person to outbid these prospective buyers?
Who's selling what - who does this forest belong to?
Why? (covert and overt reason, both sides)
What is wrong with this? (even though I already have an idea...)
How would I be able to do anything more now, after it has been settled in court?
And what?
Should I go buy a gun and start shooting loggers? That would solve this problem, right?
Lastly, why not convince a rich person to outbid these prospective buyers?
Who's selling what - who does this forest belong to?
a: The Forest Service is selling these trees to private timber companies. As far as who the forest actually belongs too, some would say the native people, others would say the "public" whatever that means.
Why? (covert and overt reason, both sides)
a:The overt reason: Fire Safety.
Covert reason: Profit for timber companies.
What is wrong with this? (even though I already have an idea...)
a:They are cutting big trees that are actually less of a fire danger than the slash and tree plantations that they will replace them with. These trees are worth more as a forest that helps sustain healthy salmon runs than as boards in some development tract.
How would I be able to do anything more now, after it has been settled in court?
And what?
a:I guess anyone who cares is asking themeslves this right now. I wish I had an answer.
Should I go buy a gun and start shooting loggers? That would solve this problem, right?
a:The sarcasm to that question is apparent but I'll give it a shot (kidding).
The loggers cutting the trees don't come up with these stupid logging plans. They're just pawns. It's pretty much government policy to cut as much of the oldgrowth as possible using any excuse they can come up with.
Lastly, why not convince a rich person to outbid these prospective buyers
a:This has been tried in Arizona but did not succeed. When you purchase one of these timber sales you enter a contract that requires the trees to be cut. I think the Forest Service would just sell it to someone else.
If someone else thinks they can answer better go for it.
Thank you for listening to my questions and answering. that was a good beginning at least.
"A tree has no owner - even the bird is only a visitor" - Navaho proverb
I think that the "forest service" can not be the real owner if it is a government agency. government serves the people, even as they say they are doing a service they clearly are not doing the will of the people - at least not all people. Therefore, the question I ask now is, who is the person or peoples that this must be demonstrated to? the "key link" is where one or more people stand to be made aware that our will is not this, and yet that person or people must be "Those of Influence"...
or appeals?
are there any public protests ahead? I'm not talking about those loud wars with the police. Silence or quietly spoken words are better for persuasion. Save the black masks for the revolution, unless you are ready to convince at least a faction of the police department to help block the trees. Now, *there* is a thought. Imagine, cops in riot gear surrounding a giant tree in solidarity - brings tears to my eyes.
True that shooting people likely would not help - however if lumberjacks can be convinced that THESE trees, PARTICULARLY are important then that also is a key link to keeep this from happening. Is there a loggers union, by the way?
Maybe offering them some sort of charity, job, or at least a "friendly gesture" would help them to understand what a "tree" actually is (sort of a giant memory cell on the cosmic brain as well as an air and water filter, home, and generally pleasant air-freshening thing, as I understand it, which I used to climb for no reason at all... not to get to sentimental)
Or, block the import of gasoline that powers chainsaws.
Now, I have another question. Who exactly decides the fire hazard, and who can refute that? It seems like a good and articulate physicist would be hard to argue with though I'm sure there are plenty of clever specialists both for and against. The trick is timing and placement.... maybe somebody has been bribed if there is such an obvious discrepancy as you say between "fire hazard" and profit. I tend to agree....
Or we could cut down the trees before they do, mill the wood to build an office for a new soviern government office and then shoot on sight enemy forces. Oh wait, that's still shooting people. I am an angry person and these "timber sales" are not making this easy to get past.
There seem to be many ways to go about this that could be better done by two or three strategies simultaneously carried out might be more effective, delegated and so forth....
Good for the tree-sitters. I laud you. However I say - anyone who feels so strongly has the law on there side so it should not be necessary to do that. "of the people". Maybe a more clear definition of people is needed to exclude anyone wearing a tie. hah hah.
tell me what you all are doing, please.
"A tree has no owner - even the bird is only a visitor" - Navaho proverb
I think that the "forest service" can not be the real owner if it is a government agency. government serves the people, even as they say they are doing a service they clearly are not doing the will of the people - at least not all people. Therefore, the question I ask now is, who is the person or peoples that this must be demonstrated to? the "key link" is where one or more people stand to be made aware that our will is not this, and yet that person or people must be "Those of Influence"...
or appeals?
are there any public protests ahead? I'm not talking about those loud wars with the police. Silence or quietly spoken words are better for persuasion. Save the black masks for the revolution, unless you are ready to convince at least a faction of the police department to help block the trees. Now, *there* is a thought. Imagine, cops in riot gear surrounding a giant tree in solidarity - brings tears to my eyes.
True that shooting people likely would not help - however if lumberjacks can be convinced that THESE trees, PARTICULARLY are important then that also is a key link to keeep this from happening. Is there a loggers union, by the way?
Maybe offering them some sort of charity, job, or at least a "friendly gesture" would help them to understand what a "tree" actually is (sort of a giant memory cell on the cosmic brain as well as an air and water filter, home, and generally pleasant air-freshening thing, as I understand it, which I used to climb for no reason at all... not to get to sentimental)
Or, block the import of gasoline that powers chainsaws.
Now, I have another question. Who exactly decides the fire hazard, and who can refute that? It seems like a good and articulate physicist would be hard to argue with though I'm sure there are plenty of clever specialists both for and against. The trick is timing and placement.... maybe somebody has been bribed if there is such an obvious discrepancy as you say between "fire hazard" and profit. I tend to agree....
Or we could cut down the trees before they do, mill the wood to build an office for a new soviern government office and then shoot on sight enemy forces. Oh wait, that's still shooting people. I am an angry person and these "timber sales" are not making this easy to get past.
There seem to be many ways to go about this that could be better done by two or three strategies simultaneously carried out might be more effective, delegated and so forth....
Good for the tree-sitters. I laud you. However I say - anyone who feels so strongly has the law on there side so it should not be necessary to do that. "of the people". Maybe a more clear definition of people is needed to exclude anyone wearing a tie. hah hah.
tell me what you all are doing, please.
EPIC, KSwild and others are organizing a public hike to the knob timber sale. This will be a great way to get to know the area first hand and learn about the timber sale process, the bush admin's conspiracy against the forest and why this is a bad logging plan. The hike is scheduled for July 20. There will be swimming to, mark yr calendars!
as they develop, details will be posted right here on the northcoast page of indymedia. http://www.indybay.org/northcoast/
as they develop, details will be posted right here on the northcoast page of indymedia. http://www.indybay.org/northcoast/
Well I thought your brothers and sisters up north were a log short, you folks down here seem to understand even less than them. The general public, as represented by the courts, is finally understanding the science behind the rhetoric or lack there of. This is the first of many "management projects" to get under way and begin the long road back to a healthy and sustainable forest for all of the public to benefit. I have spent quit abit of time in the redwoods and live and work in the coastal forests of Oregon, you folks should learn the truth before you lose to much more creditibility.
"Creitbility" interesting little Freudian slip there "Chane Sau," because that's what it boils down to right? It's all about making a fast buck by cutting trees that stabilized hillsides and provided habitat and moisture for hundreds of years to the area. Look up transpiration in a dictionary you might learn something about the role of old growth trees in the landscape. Know that if the courts fail to protect the eco-systems from the quick buck cut and run money changers that we will resist the destruction non-violently, you can count on it. See you at a logging road lock down, buddy.
For more information:
http://treefunk.net/forum/
I had .. a really good friend who also fought for the environment , then my friend had to go in front of a grand jurry , my friend refuse to go . When they got done with my friend , had nothing left lost job , place to live , and that was a year ago , my friend is now homeless in a larg city , all for beliving in a right way to live . So in closeing there has to be some-thing big that thies big lumber companies don't want you-us to know to use the "LAW" in that way . You can't eat Money - or can you ?
I'll tell you exactly what it is that they don't want you to know, that when they clearcut a hill side it leaves a scared landscape that isn't coming back as a forest eco-system EVER. Here's how it works, when I was on Gypsy mountain in Humboldt county (where timber thugs murdered a forest activist by falling a tree on him BTW) there was a large clearcut overlooking Grizzly creek about 500 feet away from the tree Aradia I was defending. The hillside had serious erosion and due to the loss of shade from the trees that used to be on the hill was baking in the sun and the tree starts planted on the hillside were not taking. Even when the starts do take on other hillsides the tree farm that grows there features densely packed small trees that are a fire hazard and that do not provide habitat that an old growth tree provides. These tree farms (the ones that even make it that far) are then cut on a hundred year rotation before they are EVER are large enough to provide habitat for Spotted Owls or Marbled Murlets. This sort of irresponsible cut and run is very profitable in the short term and very destructive in the long term. THAT is what they don't want you to know.
While the Salmon river is a different eco-system the effects of logging are the same, unstable dried out soil no longer bound to hill sides by tree roots that winds up in landslides during the first heavy rain that destroy the ability of that hill to EVER come back as an eco-system and that also siltify rivers killing salmon and leading to flooding. Hint if they were truly concerned with fire suppression they would leave the big fire resistant trees and cut the densely packed pecker poll small trees, when in fact they do the exact opposite which you can find out if you take the very informative hikes mentioned earlier in this thread.
While the Salmon river is a different eco-system the effects of logging are the same, unstable dried out soil no longer bound to hill sides by tree roots that winds up in landslides during the first heavy rain that destroy the ability of that hill to EVER come back as an eco-system and that also siltify rivers killing salmon and leading to flooding. Hint if they were truly concerned with fire suppression they would leave the big fire resistant trees and cut the densely packed pecker poll small trees, when in fact they do the exact opposite which you can find out if you take the very informative hikes mentioned earlier in this thread.
For more information:
http://treefunk.net/forum/
The fact is that landslides occur as part of the natural process, yes logging can speed up the process but the process will still happen regardless, evidenced by a hike through the forests after heavy rain events and even documented in a study done by Oregon Department of Forestry after the tragic events of 1996. The statement that Spotted Owls and murrelets don't live in the 100 year rotation forests is also a lie, there are many documented and currently being monitored NSO nests in stands less than 50 years old, refer to F&W service as well as USFS, BLM & State biologists for futher info. As for the murrelets, they nest right on the beaches to the north, we just happen to be at the edge of their range and if you only look in old growth, you will only find them in old growth, similar to the red tree voles.. The fact is we need people like you folks out on the lines, it gives validity to what we have always known, you mislead and deceive to try to prove a point that doesn't exist. The sad fact that you needed a martar to further the cause and got one of your own killed is further proof that reality doesn't fit in your way of thinking.......
prop 87 will promote the clearcutting of the remaing redwoods
prop 87 will finance alternative fules at the cost of logging to clear the land for farming and wind towers.
no on prop 87.org
prop 87 will finance alternative fules at the cost of logging to clear the land for farming and wind towers.
no on prop 87.org
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