Haiti Hypocrisy: MINUSTAH comes to aid of UCREF director while hundreds rot in Jail.

Hello There,
I think that you should be more careful about the accuracy of what you're writing about Haiti. I have noticed two major non-truth in this article. First,RNDDH is not in any way linked to the former opposition to fromer President Aristide. In a very difficult situation, these guys are doing a good job by ensuring every single haitian's rights are respected, and protected from our governements' tendency to systematically violate them. When you link them to the Gnb movement, this is a huge blow to their credibility. Second, you said that hundreds of former president aristide's partisans are languishing in jail with no charge whatsoever against them. This is the biggest lie I've ever read. You forgot, in the process, to mention that former president aristide's supporters have been killing hundreds of peaceful citizens in the Capiital city Port-au-Prince since the launched the famous Operation Bagdad.
I think your readers deserve to be told the truth.
Yours
Frandley Julien

Who paid you to write this comment Frandley Julien. You criminal bastard

...Afraid to sign their names to their articles/comments about Haiti???? All they can come up with are insults because they can't compete on the facts.

Matt,
As a young haitian professional, I read your comment to Mr. Julien's note with sadness. I think that there is a minimum of education someone needs if you want to express your views on public forums. how can you want to express views when you have no view at all ? You have no choice than to try to insult people. I feel sad for people like you;
Thank you

The anti-Aristide coalition was a vast network - just because you are a "human rights organization" does not mean you were not a part of this grouping. Look at NCHR which receives a vast amount of support from U.S. government sources.

Also, it is clearly shocking to see someone deny that prisoners are being held without being charged in Haiti. NUMEROUS human rights organizations and press organizations have reported on this. This is like denying genocide. You have thousands of supporters of the ousted democratically elected government killed in the streets, rotting in morgues, and unattended in hospitals. "Operation Baghdad" was a statement made up by the anti-aristide group 184 people. Yes, obviously kidnappings and murders have occured on both sides - but the majority of the blame should be placed squarely on the sectors that have state control and are committing the vast amounts of the murders..

these are the former military disbanded under arisitde now killing people, the HNP who are involved with the kidnapping, drugs, and killings, the elites, and the interim government. Now we have a situation where democracy has a foothold with Preval- but MINUSTAH and the elite continue pressure to kill and criminalize the supporters of democracy.

How can you deny this?

Please.. I hope the pro-coup crowd visiting this website will check out
http://www.law.miami.edu/cshr/CSHR_Report_02082005_v2.pdf

This is probably the most in-depth human rights reports that clearly outlined the killings and jailing of supporters of the ousted government.
I am honestly surprised to see people denying this.
Open your eyes.

I am profoundly deceived by the statements posted by the media today in reaction to the criticism of some readers. it is obvious that RNDDH has never been part of the Grroup of 184. RNDDH is the only human rights organization which stood to defend the rights of former Lavalas Prisoners like former lawmakers Rudy heriveaux, Yvon feuillé etc. I understand that a media can make a mistake. but after being corrected by a better-informed reader on the specific topic, the media has to acknowledge the mistake. But in Haiti, it is now common to meet foreign journalists who receive money from political sectors in order to publish trash in their favor.
It is obvious that thousands of haitians are languishing in jail with no cahrge held against them. But to say that these people are aristide partisans is saying that every single haitian citizen is a former President Aristide's supporter. Whatever the picture today, any honest person has to recognize that it was way uglier than what it was under former President aristide. Please give back the money to congresswoman Waters. You've just lost a fervent reader.

Have you noticed that all the persons who are criticizing this article publish their names are whereabouts, whereas the one defending it hide behind anonimity ? Even the guy who wrote this article knows it's just trash. This is a money-motivated article.

Uh. Are you a moron? This article was put out by AHP. It was translated from Haitian media. You people attacking this article are obviously pro-coup apologists.
what a joke.

where does this article say only aristide supporters are in jail?
Yes, obviously many of the innocents in jail are not just aristide supporters. The interim government killed many peaceful protestors and threw away the key on others it arrested. all haitians have been hurt by the coup... non-political and political. the backers of the coup should be the ones in jail. Whether they liked aristide or not they hsould have allowed democracy to continue.

AHP is reporting now that The general manager of the Central unit of financial information (UCREF), Mr. Jean Yves Noël, has been released in the afternoon of Monday May 29.

Something smells fishy about this guy. The fact that MINUSTAH and all these "human rights groups" rallied to his side, after remaining for-the-most-part silent for 2 years in regards to the illegal jailing and killing of Lavalas supporters, is very telling.

Why don't you warn the readers that AHP's owner and director, Mr Remarais is a fundamentalist Aristide and Lavalas supporter, that he's made a lot of money with the aristide regime, and that based upon that, what his so-called press agency is posting is pure trash. You won't because he's feeding you so you can continue to brainwash the american people and receive your paycheck from Congresswoman Walters on a regular basis. But you know what ? It won't work this time. Even the new President Preval, former Aristide Prime-Minister is against aristide's return to haiti. Please stop wasting our time with trash.

I have received your article just because I Have set a google alert for articles on Haiti. But I don't want to receive no more posts from your site. Please tell me how I can manage to do that.

Looking at these comments, I pity Haiti if these exchanges are the type that dominate the Haitian political stage.

I therefore am simply going to issue two challenges:
First, to those who are anti-Aristide: come up with two things that Aristide and Lavalas did that was a good or potentially good thing. Then, come up with two things Aristide's opponents did that was bad or potentially bad.

Second, to those who are pro-Aristide: come up with two things that Aristide's opponents did that was good or potentially good. Then, come up with two things Aristide did that was bad or potentiall bad.

Perhaps a turn from the tone of comments like those from earlier in the day towards responding to this challenge will help move Haiti out of its misery towards constructive debate and well-founded hope.

I sincerely look forward to any thoughtful responses.

That peace be upon Haiti and those who love her,

Wright Meyer

Protest Haiti Coup Supporters’ Participation
in Washington DC Symposium

We the undersigned would like to protest the symposium on Haiti entitled "The Future of Democracy and Development in Haiti"; Ron Daniels and the group with whom he is affiliated, the Haiti Support Group, are sponsors of the symposium. The symposium is to take place March 17-18 in Washington, DC.

At a time when thousands of Haitians have been killed, disappeared or imprisoned without charge by an illegal coup regime, this symposium brings together prominent supporters of the coup and of the U.S.-sponsored opposition movement which made possible the removal of Haiti's democratically elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

The guest list for this symposium is packed with forces that actively undermined the democratic process in Haiti. This list includes representatives from the National Coalition for Haitian Rights, which spread false allegations against many, including Prime Minister Yvon Neptune; allegations, which were used to arrest and illegally detain him. Even as this symposium moves forward, the life of Prime Minister Neptune is at risk as a result of months in illegal detention, violent threats against him and now from a hunger strike protesting his detention and the detention of hundreds of other political prisoners.

Others attending the symposium include Chavannes Jean-Baptiste, who provided shelter and sustenance for armed militia led by Guy Philippe, whose armed gang ransacked northern Haiti before, during and after the coup period. Another participant is Frandley Julien, the leader of the anti-Aristide opposition in Cap-Haitien, which joined in violent attacks against Lavalas supporters during the terrible days preceding last February's coup. Gabriel Marcella from the U.S Army War College, who has argued for protectorate status for Haiti, also will be there. And the list goes on and on.

This is a time for supporters of Haiti to be clear. We cannot stand silently by while opponents of Haitian democracy spread disinformation and build division.

It is not possible to proclaim solidarity with the Haitian people while failing to denounce the brutal coup d'etat and occupation that has left Haiti a graveyard for human rights. It is not possible to support the Haitian people while giving credibility and a humane face to those who were active in removing the first democratically elected President of Haiti and in the repression that followed, destroying Haiti's democracy. One cannot proclaim friendship with the people of Haiti while failing to call for the return of democracy in Haiti, beginning with the physical return of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to his rightful, constitutional position.

We support the demands of the Haitian people, as articulated on March 14, 2005
by Fanmi Lavalas:

1. Cessation of political persecution directed towards its members and supporters;

2. Liberation of all political prisoners; (more)

3. End of illegal arrests and summary executions
(Over 10,000 Fanmi Lavalas supporters killed and more than 1,000 jailed
since February 2004);

4. Effective disarmament of groups and/or individuals illegally armed;

5. Restoration of the constitutional order in Haiti by the physical return
of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide; and

6. Organization of free, honest and democratic general elections in Haiti

Since the coup, thousands of Haitians, beginning with women and children have been murdered, raped, put in prison. Many have sacrificed their lives fighting for these demands, which represent the only path towards the restoration of human rights and democracy in Haiti.

We invite you to stand with us in supporting the above demands and in protesting
the "Future of Democracy and Development in Haiti" symposium.

o Jean-Yvon Kernizan
Haitian Initiative for Democracy
o Lovinsky Pierre-Antoine
Fondasyon 30 Septanm
o Alina Sixto
Ajoupa
o Fanm Viktim Leve Kanpe (FAVILEK)
Women Victims Organization, Haiti
o Pierre Hector
Konbit pou Sove Ayiti, Haiti
o Paulette Joseph, Cellule de Reflexion Base
Fanmi Lavalas 11eme Departement
o Pierre Labossiere
Haiti Action Committee
o Marguerite Laurent
Haitian Lawyers' Leadership Network
o Lavarice Gaudin
Veye Yo
o Lucie Tondreau
Veye Yo
o Rasanbleman Alye
Fanmi Lavalas, Haiti
o Eugenia Charles
Fondasyon Mapou
o Wilson Mesilien
Fondasyon 30 Septanm
o Haiti Women's Rights for Children's Rights, Haiti
o Fritz Péan, Montréal
o Julie Hoover
o Marc Pilisuk
o Wendy Ebersberger

o Bill Fletcher
President, TransAfrica
o Danny Glover
o Randall Robinson
o Walter Riley - Attorney-at-Law
Chair of Vanguard Public Foundation
o Brian Concannon - Attorney-at-Law
Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti
o Margaret Prescod
Women of Color in the Global Women's Strike
o Andaiye
Red Thread, Guyana
o David Commissiong
Clement Payne Society, Barbados
o Kali Williams
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
o Walter Turner, Host - Africa Today (KPFA)
Chair - Global Exchange
o Kim Ives
Haiti Support Network (HSN)
o Kay Coll - ssj/ HSNNE
o Malaika Hodari Kambon
o Willie & Mary Ratcliff
San Francisco Bay View newspaper
o Dominique Esser - photographer
o Claude Marks
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ZNet | Activism

Canada's Growing Role In Haitian Affairs (part I)
by Anthony Fenton; Haiti-Progres; March 21, 2005

The Canadian government is following through on its commitment to "take the lead" in Haiti on behalf of the Bush Administration.

It has been almost one year since the nature of this request was made explicit in Canada's Parliamentarian Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs. During one of several meetings which took place about one month after the removal of President Jean Bertrand Aristide, Carlo Dade of the Canadian government funded hemispheric policy think-tank, FOCAL (Canadian Foundation for the Americas), had this to say on April 1, 2004:

"The U.S. would welcome Canadian involvement and Canada's taking the lead in Haiti. The administration in Washington has its hands more than full with Afghanistan, Iraq, and the potential in Korea and the Mideast. There is simply not the ability to concentrate... [T]o really succeed in Haiti, you need long-term attention at the highest levels... This is a chance for Canada to step up and provide that sort of focused attention and leadership, and the administration would welcome this."

Dade also made it clear that "this was something of interest" to Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, and USAID Latin America administrator Adolfo Franco, who had visited Ottawa just days earlier.

Dade's comments were somewhat facetious, given that the Canadian government had already been playing a key role in the pre-coup destabilization of Haiti's Lavalas government. Most notably, Canadian MP Denis Paradis hosted a "high-level roundtable meeting on Haiti" January 31-February 1, 2003 (see HaVti ProgrPs, Vol. 20, No. 51, 3/5/2003).

According to the original internal communiqués, recently obtained through an Access to Information Act request, the meeting was supposed to address "the current political situation in Haiti." Notably, the affair was "envisaged to be of a restricted and intimate nature." This, "in order to facilitate a free exchange of views and brainstorming among the invited participants."

Nowhere among the invitees were any Haitian representatives. Aristide government officials were only told about the meeting after Paradis leaked the details of it to L'Actualité reporter Michel Vastel in March, 2003, which facilitated a predictable period of "damage-control." Paradis told Vastel that the themes of Aristide's possible removal, the potential return of Haiti's disbanded military , and the option of imposing a Kosovo-like trusteeship on Haiti, were discussed during the meeting. Vastel published this information, which caused a considerable stir in Haiti, the U.S., and Ottawa, forcing Paradis and the Canadian government to deny that such things were considered. Paradis was subsequently stripped of his position as Secretary of State for Latin America, and was replaced as Minister of La Francophonie, under whose auspices the meeting was hosted. Denis Coderre replaced Paradis, and today functions as Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin's Special Adviserto Haiti.

Significantly, Vastel continues to stand by the original article, claiming not only Paradis told him the details but that French officials corroborated them. On January 31, 2003, both Vastel and French Minister Pierre-Andre Wiltzer, spoke on the same panel, the title of which was "Obligation morale internationale; Perspectives, idées nouvelles et démarches B explorer." During a September 11, 2004 interview, Paradis repeatedly invoked the notion that he was misinterpreted by Vastel, that the meeting could, essentially, be boiled down to the "responsibility to protect," a Canadian-made "humanitarian intervention" doctrine that, if adopted by the UN through a process that Martin is now attempting to facilitate, powerful countries would give themselves the right (or "responsibility") to militarily intervene in a country that they deem to have reached a state of "failure."

Whether or not military intervention was discussed explicitly, as Vastel contends, or implicitly, as Paradis insists, the important fact is that military intervention did take place, Aristide was removed, the Haitian army has effectively returned, and a de facto trusteeship is being imposed on the Haitian people.

JUSTIFYING THE INTERVENTION

In order to pull the intervention off and assume thereafter a key "leadership role," the Canadian government has gone to considerable lengths to cover, albeit poorly, its tracks. This is a process that also has its origins in the pre-coup period. Documents recently obtained from the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) show that, with exclusivity, organizations that are ideologically opposed to Aristide and Lavalas are receiving Canadian government funding. The list includes the likes of ENFOFANM, SOFA, Kay Fanm, GARR, CRESFED, PAJ, POHDH/SAKS, and the Haiti branch of the National Coalition for Haitian Rights (NCHR).

In the months prior to Aristide's ouster, virtually all of these organizations assisted the official Canadian government policy toward Haiti. The most telling example of this can be found in a document entitled "Haiti: a Bitter Bicentennial," which was produced by the similarly CIDA-funded "Rights and Democracy," a "Canadian institution with an international mandate." In September 2003, Rights and Democracy sent a delegation to Haiti. Seeking to "make a contribution to" resolving the "enduring crisis" in Haiti, Rights and Democracy determined "several approaches to intervention," that might assist Haiti through the crisis. Besides providing legitimacy for the political opposition fronts Democratic Convergence and Group of 184, the report clearly lays the blame for Haiti's political turmoil on Aristide and Lavalas.

While the details of the report are of themselves interesting, herein it is the list of those organizations that Rights and Democracy met with at the time that we should find particularly revealing. But for a single representative of the Haitian government, the remaining Haitians met with were aligned with the political opposition. All the organizations listed above, today receiving CIDA funding, are on this Rights and Democracy list. It is possible that several of the groups were receiving Canadian funding prior to the coup.

What is known for certain, and perhaps most insidiously, is that NCHR received $100,000 for the specific purpose of juridical, medical, psychological, and logistical assistance for the "victims" of the alleged La Scierie massacre. On March 9, 2005, HaVti-ProgrPs put NCHR into proper context in this respect: "The illegal government has charged both [former Prime Minister] Neptune and [former Interior Minister] Privert with involvement in a supposed 'massacre' on February 11, 2004 in St. Marc, an event which reporters and human rights groups almost universally agree never happened. Only the pro-coup U.S. government-backed National Coalition of Haitian Rights (NCHR) charges that some 50 people were slaughtered by pro-Lavalas partisans. Pierre Espérance, the NCHR's Haiti bureau chief, says that the remains of the supposed victims were 'eaten by dogs' to explain the absence of any forensic evidence" (see HaVti ProgrPs, Vol. 22, No. 52, 3/9/2005).

At this point it is doubtful that many Canadian taxpayers are aware that they are funding such a partisan and thereby illegitimate "human rights" organization such as NCHR. In an independent report published around the same time that the Canadian Embassy in Haiti announced the funding for NCHR (April 14, 2004), the National Lawyers Guild laid out NCHR's deficiencies as a human rights organization. NCHR "could not name a single case in which a Lavalas supporter was a victim," and took the delegation to a room "where the wall was adorned with a a large 'wanted' poster featuring Aristide and his cabinet." Unanimously, the NLG report concluded: "We condemn the National Coalition for Haitian Rights (NCHR) in Haiti for not maintaining its impartiality as a human rights organization."

Despite this, NCHR remains the most often cited human rights organization in Haiti by the international and local elite-owned media. Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin has echoed Pierre Espérance, who insists that "there are no political prisoners in Haiti." Rather, the 700 or more imprisoned without charge, are common criminals who just happen to be Lavalas. On the whole uncritical of the hand-selected Latortue government, the NCHR has played an critical role in legitimizing the coup and keeping international public opinion confounded on the issue of human rights abuses directed against pro-democracy activists.

With several independent human rights reports recently and exhaustively exposing the systematic repression of perceived supporters of Aristide and/or constitutionality, the NCHR is gradually being seen as naked, not unlike the emperors on whose behalf they are working. In a March 11 press release, the director of NCHR-New York, Jocelyn McCalla, who himself has been criticized widely in the past for being partisan, publicly distanced his organization from Espérance's Haiti-based NCHR: "Neither Mr. Espérance, nor any member of the staff of NCHR-Haiti, speak for or on behalf of the National Coalition for Haitian Rights (NCHR), its board or its staff."

McCalla accused Espérance of "defending a dysfunctional Haitian judicial system which delivers little other than injustice." Here, McCalla was referring to the continued detention of Neptune despite having "not been formally charged" by Haitian authorities for his alleged involvement in the "massacre" in St. Marc on February 11, 2004. Neptune's three-week long hunger strike, which protested the "dysfunctional Haitian judicial system" while demanding his and Privert's unconditional release, came to an end when he was brought to a UN hospital and treated for dehydration on March 11.

Author and co-ordinator of the Committee for the Defense of the Haitian People's Rights, Ronald Saint-Jean, has documented and analyzed the circumstances surrounding NCHR's role in what he characterizes as the fabrication of the "massacre" in St. Marc. (See: "A propos du "Génocide de la Scierie": Exiger de la NCHR toute la verité," 2004) Saint-Jean was in Ottawa and Montreal earlier this month and denounced Canada's funding of NCHR, telling officials and the press that if Neptune dies his blood is on Canada's hands.

The author is an independent journalist based in Vancouver.

The majority of Haitians (those whose collective will should determine policy) speak creole, know little English, are illiterate, and desperately poor. Simply by owning a computer on which to recieve "google alerts" and by being able to read and write English, Marilyn Antoine is revealing herself to be a member of the small privileged percentage whose interests have been served by the Duvaliers, Toto Constant, etc. They despise Aristide and everyone like him precisely because he threatened to kick them them out of the bassinets of greed and privilege they were born into. Aristide's real failing lies in not lining these parasites up against a wall and giving them some of their own medicine, tontons-macoutes-style.

Hey Marilyn: Good riddance, fuck you, and have fun frying in hell. Class parasites like you aren't welcome here anyway

That has to be most moronic comment I ever heard in my life. How can someone assume something about anyone based on speaking english and owning a computer when they themselves fit into the same catergory. I think I just lost some brain cells by reading that post. Let me tell you 90% of those that have "bourgeois" don't care about the poor in Haiti and 90% who claim to care about the poor "opportunist" are exactly the same except the talk the talk. Until the other 10% steps up, Nothing is going to happen in that country/

"How can someone assume something about anyone based on speaking english and owning a computer when they themselves fit into the same catergory."

I live in AMERICA, the rampaging colonizing vampire that's been sucking Haiti dry for the past 100 years, along with most of the rest of the world. This has given rise to a surreal and explicitly criminal level of generalized privilege here, as expressed very well by US State Department wonk George Kennan way back in February 1948:

"…we have about 50% of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3% of its population...In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment [classic class-pig cop-out here]. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction…We should cease to talk about vague and -- for the Far East -- unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of standards of living, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans the better."

Because of this epic theft of the world's wealth, one can be in the bottom 10% of income here in America and still own a computer. In this surreal land of master thieves, "obsolete" computers are a dime a dozen. With any effort and sense you can get one for FREE. Oh and also dumfuck asshole, English is the NATIVE TONGUE here

Now, I know that to a greedy throat-slashing classhole like you, America is heaven on earth. Its siren song, afer all, has always cast its deepest spell on the latent classholes of the world, who've been swarming here from everywhere else for 200 years. For oddball Americans like me who experience a silly old sentiment called a sense of HONOR, the society YOUR KIND has built here is deeply revolting and pathological. Americans and Europeans were better nobler happier people before they devolved into so many putrid petty Marie Antoinettes.

Yeah, I know you don't get it

How typical. You live in the United States. Claim to be part of the bottom 10% and suddenly you are a defender of the poor in Haiti. Give me a break. You are probably the spoiled son of a rich "white" lawyer or businessman with a trust fund and summer house on the beach. Now you sit on the computer, probably dress in black and claim to be a anarchist because you have a ring in nose. You may talk about how you hate the US and defend the poor black people in Haiti, however, Mr. Anglo you don't know jack about being Haitian or poor. You don't know what it means to really not know where you going to sleep or what you are going to eat. You can complain about the US but no one who lives here knows really misery or pain. Just take you patronizing, holier than thou atitude and shove it. If you really wanted to help Haiti or any poor country you would go down there and try to help. You would try to help an orphanage. You would try to make your rich white buddies in DC share some of the wealth Haiti. We are not your fricking pets...yeah yeah "you love and care about us" Kiss my ass!!

I grew up in the household of a single mother struggling to raise two kids on a secretary's income, i.e. on the cliff's edge of true destitution, so you can lovingly suckle a load of semen out of the end of my dick. How 'bout you, classhole? Which palace-on-a-hill over Port-au-Prince does your daddy live in?

"on the cliff's edge of true destitution" A Secretary with 2 kids. Are you kidding me. When we I was child in Haiti, my mother would have given her right arm to be secretary in US to support us. Instead she left us with family and came here until we were reunited 5 years later. In Haiti, we had in-house plumbing, no TV, slept 4 to a room and never knew where are next meal would come from. Like a said before you know nothing about being poor. You know nothing about misery. You know nothing about being black. Never seen it. Would not even recognize it. You sound more like " Obnoxious 12 year old whose primary reading material is totse.com, wears shitty scream metal t-shirts or hooded sweatshirts bearing the ever-so-rebellious "anarchy" symbol, and fantasizes about gunpowder and pipe bombs while masturbating." Pathetic

Your mom left you WITH FAMILY?? So you had a close-knit extended family to fall back on huh? Wow, good for you, Mr. Unfortunate. I didn't. Haiti is a healthier wealthier society in this sense. By the way, what time-frame are we talking here? 1950s? Were you in some backwater town? What good is owning a TV when there are no signals to tune to? Your lack of television doesn't necessarily signify poverty. Besides, what's to miss? You must be mistaking me for a typical TV-addicted American. I wouldn't own one of those electro-lobotomy machines if I had a billion bucks. You're too materialistic to know a blessing when you fall right into it!

How many people were living in that house, anyway? 20? No wonder you were four to a room. That many in a house means the kids are four to a room no matter what country you're talking. Kids don't really need privacy. Again, this doesn't signify poverty. Having indoor plumbing sure as hell doesn't. You had electricity too, or you'd certainly have bitched about the lack of it, and legitimately.

Oh, and if you're such a product of soul-destroying tragedy, what the fuck are you doing owning a computer and writing English so proficiently? You live in AMERICA now, don't you Mr. Unfortunate? I bet you didn't come over on a pile of lumber in the early '90s, either. If you had, you wouldn't be anti-Aristide, anti-LAVALAS, and pro-US colonial intervention. No, you had connections and PRIVILEGES, didn't you? If you didn't you'd still be over there rotting in squalor. Were you a FRAPH mercenary, perchance? Could it be that I'm speaking to Toto Constant Himself living in Brooklyn?

How much money did you pull in last year, Mr. Unfortunate? $30,000? $50,000? HAHAHAHAHA!!

Yup, all in all you had to be pretty far up the food chain back there in Haiti. I know what it means to be trapped by birth at the bottom of a society. You don't.

America has always attracted greedy lying materialists like you, people who will betray their families and societies by sucking the dick of The Enemy for the sake of self-enrichment. People with no loyalty, no honor, and no pride. That's why despite all its wealth America is still one of the most fucked up societies on earth

"Haiti is a healthier wealthier society in this sense." that is defnitely true...family can be close neighbor and in-law...definitely nothing like here. Yes it was a back water town in the early seventies...If you want to know it was a typical shack in Haiti...which means as bad as it gets in this hemisphere. Yes there's was electricity sometimes...but rare.

You ask "Oh, and if you're such a product of soul-destroying tragedy, what the fuck are you doing owning a computer and writing English so proficiently? " You obiviously don't live near or know many haitians. There are hundreds of thousands of us who's parents came here with nothing and now we speak english better than creole.

Personally, I don't give a crap about Aristide. He soldout to the rich Haitians on the hills and the US years before they kicked him out. He was just another bloodsucker president like Duvalier and all the others.

As far as being trapped at the bottom of society, Mr. Secretary's son. Give me break... By virtue of your race alone you are not at the bottom. My family was cleaning houses and probably making half of what mom made in her nice suit every day...poor and black.

You need to open you eyes or take a trip to Hiati.

"By virtue of your race alone you are not at the bottom."

Now THAT is a blatantly racist comment!

Where I come from, I WAS at the bottom. This country's a fuck of a lot bigger than Haiti or even all of the greater and lesser Antilles rolled together. Go look at a map. You obviously know exactly two things about most of its territory: 1) jack and 2) shit.

Also, blacks are NOT the only people at the bottom in America. They just like to assume they are. This sustains their own favorite prejudices and excuses. Meanwhile there are plenty of whites, latinos, native Americans, etc. right down there keeping them company. 50+ years ago what you're assuming was undeniably true, but times have changed. Corporations live in terror of discrimination lawsuits and give blacks preferential treatment. Universities bend over backwards to accept black applicants, who have exclusive access to multiple financial assistance programs. I don't have a problem with any of this, it mostly seems just. Quit pretending it's still the Jim Crow days, that's all. You don't get to have it both ways. US blacks have also discovered the extraordinary political power game of systematically claiming a monopoly on victimhood (as have anti-Goyitic Jews, female mysandrists, gay heterophobes, deaf, disabled, Rosicrucians, chimney sweeps, etc. etc, etc. etc. This must be what Rome was like in the final days). As overtly bigoted as they can be, US blacks pale in comparison to Caribbean blacks, who tend to be just plain venomous. Oh yah, I've known my share. Right now you're looking about typical.

you said " Where I come from, I WAS at the bottom. This country's a fuck of a lot bigger than Haiti or even all of the greater and lesser Antilles rolled together" That s exactly my fucking point. It not racist it's reality.

If you dress like a "sellout" and walk into capitalist establishmet you hate so much and talk the talk.They will give you a job o 90 % of the time over any black (caribbean and american) hispanic or whatever. The is the same many other aspect of society.
Damn, take Haiti. If you walk into any fancy restarant in Haiti, they will treat you better than me. Despite what I have achieved here in the US. They will welcome you like fricking king everywhere you go. Reality!!! You hate the establishment....Man, you are almost part of it.

Don't get me wrong, I will admit you obviously lookout for the little guy. But you have to have a sense of what and who you are and have in relation in others in the US and world. Othwise you will be just another asshole writing on the internet...saying fuck every third word , talking about how you hate the US and capitalist pigs...but in the end truly KLEWLESS !!

"US blacks have also discovered the extraordinary political power game of systematically claiming a monopoly on victimhood (as have anti-Goyitic Jews, female mysandrists, gay heterophobes, deaf, disabled, Rosicrucians, chimney sweeps, etc. etc, etc. etc. "

Sure seems like you are milking the "single mother, life of poverty" card for all its worth. At one point or another, you need to realize its been decades since childhood, and that your personal sucess or failure has been in your hands all along. Horatio Alger mythology aside, one of the few things that still works in American society is the economic opportunity and potential for upward mobility. And thats almost unheard of in the developing world. Its difficult for any American to realize just how rigid class structure is in the third world.

"Upward mobility"--yeah but w/in limits, with few exceptions. The powerul/wealthy/elite in this country have got it down---allow a "middle class" and throw a few more crumbs to the bottom strata so they won't get angry and rise up. Keep everyone padded with the little goodies of rabid consumerism and religion and keep them docile, complacent and/or disinterested in politics...and of course make sure that you get to frame the arguments in a right wing corporate controlled, profit driven media...

What the various 'identity politics' factions keep ignoring, for obvious motivated reasons, is that there's a single overarching oppressive order that encompasses and unifies everything all of them keep bitching about, and that's CLASS

CLASS
CLASS
CLASS
CLASS

Class is the Great Satan. It's literally what makes this "civilized" world go 'round. Take it away and we'd all still be living in caves AND LOVING IT.

I know for a fact that elites whip up these 'identity' factions and set them at each other's throats. It's absolutely classic divide-and-conquer. Where the various factional divisions actually deserve to be attacked is when they coincide with actual class divisions, and the attackers should announce they're going after precisely this aspect. The most despicable 'identity' factions are the ones on the privileged side of this divide.

I know there's validity behind what you're saying, Haitian, but as it relates to ***ME*** you're still making mistaken assumptions

"If you dress like a "sellout" and walk into capitalist establishmet you hate so much and talk the talk.They will give you a job o 90 % of the time over any black."

Yeah, but see Haitian, ***I*** will NEVER do that. I'll live in a cardboard box first. I know better than you that those people have a fried-out zombie hole in their brains in the spot where self-respect should live. It's for exactly this reason that I dropped out of an Ivy League school, as did another white guy I know, my all-time hero, a bonafide genius who would be a Los Alamos bomb-builder today were it not for his sanity and magnificent spirit. He went into carpentry instead. Not every white fails to notice this society's moral insanity and to reject it with angry disgust.

"You hate the establishment....Man, you are almost part of it."

No I'm not. I'm its most mortal enemy: a guy who can slip under the radar who wants it to die more than anybody. Nobody, Haitian,

N-O-B-O-D-Y

despises the criminality of this culture with more conviction, insight, and depth than myself. You're right about my having access to the inner sanctum of privilege. I look right into it all the time. Not via employment, mind you, but via the doorway of marriage into an alien family, one that personifies everything you're saying. For this reason I know this beast more perfectly than you and despise it for reasons that cannot be dismissed as racial bitterness. They're the mortal enemies of my subculture, too, and they don't even bother hiding the fact. Why would they? THEY DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S WRONG. I played for one of them the audio of Lester Siler (a white guy as down and out as any black you can point to) being tortured by sadistic Knoxville KY pigs. The in-law came back the next day and asked me "why didn't Siler just cave in and give the cops what they wanted?" By which I knew exactly how he had absorbed the information: Lester Siler was STUPID, therefore subhuman and contemptible, therefore deserving of everything that happened to him. Why would this white bourgeois kid with a silver spoon up his ass criticize the sadistic bully cops instead of Siler? He's a member of the class that is indeed defended by cops, so he has every self-interested reason for siding with them. This is how privilege warps people's sensibilities. I listen to that audio and I want to puree them with 30,000 machine gun rounds.

"...you have to have a sense of what and who you are and have in relation in others in the US and world."

I DO, godfuckingdammit!! Do you not remember when I roundly condemned US foreign policy toward Haiti? When I acknowledged that ALL Americans live in a relative la-la-land because of what this country has stolen from others? At the same time, Haitian, how one experiences the class dynamic of the place they're in is the most relative thing there is. while my life may have been materially rich compared to yours in an absolute way, it's still possible for me to have been lower down the class pecking order than you IN THAT PLACE, more treated like garbage BY MY OWN KIND, and to have ended up more marginalized and alienated as a result. I don't feel like a member of this culture at all.

You obstinately refuse to acknowledge the possibility of such nuances purely because I'm white, i.e. because you're just a boneheaded hateful fucking racist

It's not just blacks who get shit on this way, Haitian. It's just plain flagrant racism to cling to that belief despite the contrary evidence I've shown you. Go listen to the audio I've linked to at top. Try not to reflexively loathe every white voice you hear. Some of them could be your allies in the great class war

You wrote "You obstinately refuse to acknowledge the possibility of such nuances purely because I'm white, i.e. because you're just a boneheaded hateful fucking racist

It's not just blacks who get shit on this way, Haitian. It's just plain flagrant racism to cling to that belief despite the contrary evidence I've shown you. Go listen to the audio I've linked to at top. Try not to reflexively loathe every white voice you hear. Some of them could be your allies in the great class war"

Believing that race plays a factor does make someone a racist. Certain Whites have played an active role in fighting for blacks, native americans, etc. for hundreds of years. They have been jailed and died for a cause. I took exception to the comment that you someone believe you are at the bottom if the pecking order. That is where you are wrong. You don't have to be poor to care about the poor. You don't have to be black to care about blacks or Haitians. But don't tell me you are at the same level on the global social scale if you are an american and white...that is complete bullshit period.

Your comment about is class is also interesting...You say it's all about class, class and class.....You cannot talk about class without talking about color and ethnic background almost anywhere in the world. Doesn't matter in you are in Haiti, India or the US. They go hand in hand. For instance, if are poor haitian, if one very light (for whatever the reason). You are automatically given a certain privilege in society, regardless if you ask for it or not, same as in India, Pakistan, etc. If you are a rich Indigenous Indian, living in Panama, Columbia or Bolivia...Do you believe they are automatically excepted with the upper class? Hell no!!!...No different in the U.S. This is not racism...This is reality. Your comments about race doesn't matter is actually more supportive of racism than anything else because it appears you are blind. How sad..

You wrote "You obstinately refuse to acknowledge the possibility of such nuances purely because I'm white, i.e. because you're just a boneheaded hateful fucking racist

It's not just blacks who get shit on this way, Haitian. It's just plain flagrant racism to cling to that belief despite the contrary evidence I've shown you. Go listen to the audio I've linked to at top. Try not to reflexively loathe every white voice you hear. Some of them could be your allies in the great class war"

Believing that race plays a factor does make someone a racist. Certain Whites have played an active role fighting for blacks, native americans, etc. for hundreds of years. These whites have been jailed and died for a cause. I took exception to the comment that you somehow believe you are at the bottom in the pecking order. That is where you are wrong. You don't have to be poor to care about the poor. You don't have to be black to care about blacks or Haitians. But don't tell me you are at the same level ,on the global social scale , if you are an american and white...that is complete bullshit period.

Your comment about is class is also interesting...You say it's all about class, class and class.....You cannot talk about class without talking about color and ethnic background aanywhere in the world. Doesn't matter in you are in Haiti, India or the US. Class and color go hand in hand. For instance, if you are poor haitian and very light (for whatever the reason). You are automatically given a certain privilege in society, regardless if you ask for it or not, This is the same in Brazil, India, Pakistan, etc. Another example, If you are a rich Indigenous Indian living in Panama, Columbia or Bolivia...Do you believe they are automatically excepted with the upper class? Hell no!!!...No different in the U.S. This is not racism...This is reality. Your comments about race is actually more supportive of racism than anything else because it appears you are blind on how the class structure actually works in many parts of the world (and the US). How sad..

"But don't tell me you are at the same level ,on the global social scale , if you are an american and white...that is complete bullshit period."

That's not what I said. That's a purposeful distortion of what I said

"You cannot talk about class without talking about color and ethnic background aanywhere in the world."

While this is obviously true, it's also a gross conflation of the importance of racism relative to class (something militant minority advocates love to do). I could take your sentence and substitute about 20 different things that don't always relate to race (e.g. colonialism, environmental destruction, sexism, authoritarianism) for "color and ethnic background" and it would remain just as obviously true. Bigotry comes in many many flavors, all of them more or less interchangeable in terms of moral indefensibility and destructive effect on the oppressed. To pretend that racism is THE definitive bigotry itself betrays a racist agenda.

I'm not out to claim that classism is the king of bigotries either. I think human supremacism, aka "humanism," is even bigger and more destructive, insanely so. But classism IS a grand unifying principle of the unqualified criminal malignancy and tragic error called "Western Civilization." Classism is structural to it and determinative in a way that other bigotries are not. All of your grievances against white racism, for example, ultimately trace back to Western culture's criminal compulsion to expand without limit like a cancer, insatiably gobbling new territory, resources, and human capital into itself, absorbing and assimilating them like the blob that ate New York, in this way serving the defining function of all class phenomena: funneling all concievable wealth into the tiny minority of ancient master criminals we call the "ruling class."

That's a fact. If it weren't for Europeans' insatiable class-driven greed and criminality, you'd still be in Africa and wouldn't even know they existed and nor would they know about you. They tore your ancestors out of Africa by their balls because they needed human capital by which to assimilate the natural wealth of Hispaniola, the natives of which didn't fit their requirements so well. The Arawaks opted for mass-suicide rather than accept a life of enslavement. "Primitives" all over the world have done the same, over and over, in response to the leading wave of Western expansionism. What beautifully rational people! It's hard to believe Europeans were once like them, but I know they were because I am like them. I'm Irish. The Irish have slipped through the cracks of the Western mass psychosis, partly by knowing full well what colonialism means because its boot was in their teeth most of the time, partly by never getting sucked into the spiritual death-pits called cities, but also by never entirely forgetting themselves.

Oh, and nessie (not you, Haitian): fuck you, blow me, eat shit and die motherfucker. Have you hooked up with TIPS yet?

"You cannot talk about class without talking about color and ethnic background aanywhere in the world."

Come to think of it, this statement is patently untrue. Within every color and ethnicity you will find people preying on their own kind according to a class pecking order. In Europe it's been going on for at least 2,500 years. They perfected it on each other before they took it global. In Africa hundreds of years ago, slavers didn't mount armed expeditions to go into the interior and capture merchandise. That would have been suicidally insane. They TRADED with rich coastal tribes, who did the capturing for them. Your ancestors were minding their own business in some interior village when OTHER BLACKS surrounded them with spears and trundled them off into the hold of some ship. That's the ruthlessness of class for you. It's quite independent of color and ethnicity. You mean the oligarchy in Haiti doesn't include rich blacks? That's funny, Papa Doc looks pretty fuckin black to me. Aristide's quite dark and you say he's just another Duvalier. How do you reconcile this with your 'class equals race' assumptions?

Titid was never a dictator. he was elected TWICE!
Stop lying to people.

..Within every color and ethnicity you will find people preying on their own kind according to a class pecking order. In Europe it's been going on for at least 2,500 years...
This is true...however, if you look at societies in the so called "new world" or wherever you find people the mixed and different background. My analysis is correct. The class system is tied directly into how "european" the people are. The further from "white european" the more you are assumed to be at the botton of scale. If you are white ....you're alright...If you are brown...hang around ...if you are black ...stay back.
Yes in Haiti...we have rich and powerful black people. Always have ..always will. As a black country this is expected. Yes, Duvalier was not considered to be from the masses. The powerful can come from any class. Nevertheless, there is definitely certain privilige or birthright given to those closer their "european ancestors".


The idiot the wrote is Aristide was not a dictator beacuse he was a elected twice is talking fucking stupidity. One has nothing to do with other. Also,I never said he was a dictator. I said he was a bloodsucker...the worst kind..One the claims to want to protect the poor than spends his time filling is pockets and doing backroom deals with the rich and powerful

I got an idea: instead of using the handle 'not Mr. Klew' why not use the nym 'rabid antilleo-bigot'

I don't know who wrote the last note and personally I don't fucking care.
But if you trully claim to be "not a bigot"...You would take the time to understand racism.
How it is used, who benefits, the origin, etc.

Otherwise, please shut the fuck up. You sound like an idiot!