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Toledo Welcomes the Nazis + WTO Hong Kong
In This Issue:
1.Toledo Welcomes the Nazis
2. WTO Hong Kong
3. Interview with Organizers of the New West Chicago Infoshop
4. Inside AmeriCorps Orientation
5. Radical Advice
6. Vegan Recipe: Tomato Eggplant Curry
Download the full-color PDF with photos!
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1. Toledo Welcomes the Nazis
On December 10, 2005 the Nazis and White Power freaks from the National Socialist Movement (NSM) invaded Toledo, OH for the second time in three months.
The NSM drew international attention to Toledo when they attempted to march through a residential neighborhood on October 15th, 2005. Their march was aborted when the police targeted about 700 members of the community, and those standing in solidarity with them, as they voiced their resistance to the invasion of the neighborhood by racists.
Before the action, the city of Toledo stifled civil liberties and trampled first amendment rights by declaring that protests were not legal in any area of the city except the designated “protest zone” where the NSM rally was to take place.
In addition, four people were arrested on December 10 at a Toledo library while talking about organizing a protest against the Nazis. They had not yet begun to protest or taken any other action.
Several out-of-town activists were arrested in a car on their way to the protest, simply for being present in the city before the rally was to take place.
"We didn't even know that it was illegal to assemble where we did," said and out-of-town activist who was arrested. "We didn't even protest at all. We didn't have a megaphone or anything."
“In the suburb where I grew up, several men in my high school graduating class were white power advocates. They later became police officers,” says Chris Peoples, a spokesman for the Anarchist Black Cross, Cleveland branch.
“The police department and City Council of Toledo had a responsibility to speak out against the NSM, advocates of hate who came to Toledo in order to harass and demean Toledo residents. Community activists were violently assaulted by the police, and several people still remain in jail, simply for standing up and demanding that Nazis stop their campaign of hate and intimidation.”
A Toledo newspaper, the Blade, went ahead and reported the names of those arrested, even the juveniles (the Cops in Toledo didn’t bother to separate those under 18 from the general population, and even gave their names to the papers), putting them and their families at risk for Nazi retaliation.
Activists have reported that the name and home address of at least one out-of-town activist arrested at the counter-protest has been published to a Nazi web site.
A local NLG lawyer stepped up to the challenge of defending the 25 arrestees, and gave interviews to the corporate media outside the courthouse, as did several out-of-town activists who went to Toledo to support their incarcerated friends.
Resources:
NSM Web Site:
http://www.overthrow.com
Bill White, NSM Leader
(540) 798-1393 dhyphen [at] yahoo.com
Post Office Box 8631
Roanoke, VA 24014
_____________________
Edited Re-Post from Cleveland Indymedia
By Alex Gould, workers.org
Chanting "No Nazis, No KKK, No Police Intimidation", about 200 anti-fascist demonstrators made themselves heard in Toledo as the city rolled out the red carpet for the second National Socialist Movement rally this year.
Toledo residents opposing the Nazis were joined by groups from across the Midwest. The Nazis were far outnumbered by the anti-Nazi crowd when they finally peeked out at us from behind four massive rows of riot cops and began spewing their message of terrorism and genocide at the multinational and very unwelcoming audience below them at the City Hall plaza.
The city authorities allowed the Nazis to use a sound system but forbade anti-Nazi protestors from carrying picket signs or megaphones.
But what the Nazis lacked in numerical strength was made up for by political support from the city of Toledo, county sheriffs, state highway patrol, and cops and SWAT teams from as far away as Michigan who came to harass the anti-Nazi protestors.
Knowing that they could not guarantee the Nazis safety in the neighborhoods, the city of Toledo obtained a court order from judge Thomas Osowik, which awarded the Nazis center stage in downtown Toledo. The Nazis protested this limitation in court, and the weight of the court injunction was not aimed at them but at anti-Nazi protesters.
We were confined to a small protest pen, which was entered through a metal-detector and pat-down search with individual photographs of each protester by the cops. Protesters were not allowed to carry bags or backpacks into the designated protest area.
Even before the rally began, the police had set up an assembly-line arrest and booking operation in the police station next to the rally site, and the arrests started. In Monday's Toledo Blade, Judge Francis X. Gorman said, "We had this whole thing planned out really well", referring to mass arrests of anti-Nazi protesters.
29 people were arrested, more than one out of ten of the protesters. The cops repeatedly rode their horses into the dense crowd of protesters, stomping on at least one protester's foot, and dragged people, including this reporter, out of the crowd by their necks and into the waiting jail cells.
Elizabeth O'Brien of Lansing, Michigan says she was shocked repeatedly with a Taser by the police and has 35 welts on her left thigh. Ileana Cortez of Detroit was charged with assaulting a police horse, although no injuries to police animals were reported. No Nazis were arrested, although three local racists who infiltrated the protest were arrested.
The city of Toledo showed that they would use any means necessary to give fascists an unobstructed platform from which to spread their genocidal, racist garbage. This time, the counter-protesters were not numerous or organized enough to decisively defeat the Nazis and their cop friends, but despite overwhelming police oppression they made it clear that Nazis were not welcome in Toledo.
To view more photos and read reports from the corporate and indy media, visit Cleveland Indymedia:
http://cleveland.indymedia.org.
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2. WTO Ministerial Conference Hong Kong, 14 -18 December 2005:
Day One Report
Edited from UK Indymedia Post
By Tom Grundy
Protestors gathered last night at the Wan Chai loading bay near the Sports Centre last night, police in riot gear outnumbered demonstrators almost 2-1.
The crowd included protestors from Hong Kong, across the world and particularly South Korea. Several Korean activists jumped into the harbour and attempted to swim over to the venue hosting the WTO talks. Police stopped those involved before they could reach the Exhibition Centre, 3 of the swimmers were taken to a nearby fire station.
Some pushing and shoving began as a small number of activists tried to break through the police line to reach the Exhibition Centre. Police responded with pepper spray, injuring 9 people including Hong Kong’s best-known activist, and now politician, Leung Kwok-hung (or ‘Long Hair’). Well-known local protestor Matthew Pearce was also present, dressed as Superman.
Prominent law professor and globalization critic Jane Kelsey wrote, “The Hong Kong government is mustering all its propaganda skills to create a climate of fear as the meeting approaches, to justify cracking down on any dissent and keep the substantive issues off the front pages."
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3. EXCLUSIVE! Interview with Organizers of New West Chicago Infoshop
“We’re actually making all the decisions based on consensus”
Anonymous Organizer
For the past year, anarchists and other organizers in the Chicago suburb of West Chicago have been working together to jump through all the hoops required to find and rent a space for radical organizing.
Organizers say the biggest struggle has been finding a building with rent they can afford. They held their first meeting in the new space, unofficially being called, “The Space,” last weekend.
“The new Infoshop has lots of potential,” says an anonymous organizer.
“We’re planning to have a bookstore, a free library, a stage for bands and other events, an art gallery for local artists, free trade coffee, and free classes and workshops.”
Organizers say their collective is, “drama free,” and they plan to keep it that way!
Look soon for an announcement on Chicago Indymedia of the Grand Opening of The Space.
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4. EXCLUSIVE! Inside the AmeriCorps / VISTA Pre-Service Orientation
Rosemont, IL
This month, recipients of next year’s VISTA grants met at the Windham hotel in Rosemont, IL for orientation and indoctrination.
According to our inside source, the White Rabbit, VISTA (Volunteers in Service to America) is the indirect service branch of AmeriCorps, a federally sponsored program designed to systematically end poverty.
501-C3 Not For Profit orgs. can submit work plans for a VISTA slot, which pays an individual organizer about $800 a month (or 105% of the poverty level) for healthcare and living costs.
“VISTA is a way for people who are fighting poverty through community organizing to get grant money,” says the White Rabbit. “But you have to have a good ‘face’ and interact with a lot of people at a professional level to get the grant.”
Although VISTA grant recipients are forced to swear an oath to, “defend the Constitution from enemies forign or domestic, with true faith and without any mental reservations,” VISTA is not allowed to discriminate based on political or social affiliation.
Inside the conference, new grant recipients were given lyric sheets and forced to sing the, “12 Days of VISTA,” and “Serving in America,” to the tune of James Brown’s “Working in America”.
According to the White Rabbit, there were a good number of undercover radicals in the crowd, and a general anti-Bush sentiment. Organizers of the orientation repeatedly told new VISTA members that their commitment to the program should be on a 24/7 basis, and that they must stop all of their political organizing during their year of service.
These statements were greeted by grumbling in the crowd, with the general consensus being, “Who cares what they say? We’ll organize for (or against) whatever we damn well please.”
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5. Radical Advice from Buffy the Empire Slayer and the CPF Minister of Goofy Art
Q: If I ask my boyfriend (Wait, no, my lover. Ummmm, I mean my partner) not to sleep around, does that mean I’m not an anarchist?
Signed, Confused About My Relationship Status and My Political Identity
A: Have you had an open, honest conversation with the guy/girl/trans you’re fucking about the status of your relationship (open, closed, open only if you’re both there, etc . . .) That might be a good place to start. Be clear about your feelings and needs, and discuss what type of birth control you’ll both use with each other and with those outside the relationship to make sure you’re protected from pregnancy and STDs. And you’re an anarchist . . . if you want to be!
Q: Help! I love all things not vegan. How do I survive at a mass mobilization?
Signed, Hungry Anarchist
A: Offer to help Food Not Food (No, wait, that’s Food Not Bombs) dumpster dive. You can be the one to dig through meaty piles of flesh to get to the bread and veggies underneath, and they’ll love you for it. Use your spare change to get a cheeseburger at a local, independent fast food joint.
Q: I’m an anarchist, but I don’t like punk music. Is there something wrong with me?
Signed, Anti-Lifestyle Anarchist
A: Check out the Riot Folk Collective, http://www.riotfolk.org. You can download songs from the site. Our favorite is, “Clearcut” by Ethan and Kate. There is nothing wrong with you.
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6. Recipe:
Vegan Tomato Eggplant Curry (Serves 10)
Ingredients: 1 large eggplant, 1 large onion, 2 green peppers, 2 cans crushed tomatoes, 2 large cans chickpeas, olive oil, fresh garlic, garlic powder, curry powder, rice or couscous.
In a large pot, sauté chopped onion and garlic in olive oil on medium heat until the onion is soft and yellow. Add cubed eggplant pieces and chopped peppers, and cook until eggplant is soft. Add tomatoes and chick peas, stir in garlic powder and curry powder to taste.
Reduce heat to low, and cook for an hour. If serving at a party or event, put the dish in a crock pot or rice steamer to keep it warm.
Serve over rice or couscous with chopped raw nuts and hot pepper powder on the side.
Yum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fair Use Notice: This publication contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of anarchism, environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material in this publication is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this publication for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
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Brought to you by Big Idea CSC – PR 4 The Revolution!
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Toledo Welcomes the Nazis + WTO Hong Kong
In This Issue:
1.Toledo Welcomes the Nazis
2. WTO Hong Kong
3. Interview with Organizers of the New West Chicago Infoshop
4. Inside AmeriCorps Orientation
5. Radical Advice
6. Vegan Recipe: Tomato Eggplant Curry
Download the full-color PDF with photos!
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1. Toledo Welcomes the Nazis
On December 10, 2005 the Nazis and White Power freaks from the National Socialist Movement (NSM) invaded Toledo, OH for the second time in three months.
The NSM drew international attention to Toledo when they attempted to march through a residential neighborhood on October 15th, 2005. Their march was aborted when the police targeted about 700 members of the community, and those standing in solidarity with them, as they voiced their resistance to the invasion of the neighborhood by racists.
Before the action, the city of Toledo stifled civil liberties and trampled first amendment rights by declaring that protests were not legal in any area of the city except the designated “protest zone” where the NSM rally was to take place.
In addition, four people were arrested on December 10 at a Toledo library while talking about organizing a protest against the Nazis. They had not yet begun to protest or taken any other action.
Several out-of-town activists were arrested in a car on their way to the protest, simply for being present in the city before the rally was to take place.
"We didn't even know that it was illegal to assemble where we did," said and out-of-town activist who was arrested. "We didn't even protest at all. We didn't have a megaphone or anything."
“In the suburb where I grew up, several men in my high school graduating class were white power advocates. They later became police officers,” says Chris Peoples, a spokesman for the Anarchist Black Cross, Cleveland branch.
“The police department and City Council of Toledo had a responsibility to speak out against the NSM, advocates of hate who came to Toledo in order to harass and demean Toledo residents. Community activists were violently assaulted by the police, and several people still remain in jail, simply for standing up and demanding that Nazis stop their campaign of hate and intimidation.”
A Toledo newspaper, the Blade, went ahead and reported the names of those arrested, even the juveniles (the Cops in Toledo didn’t bother to separate those under 18 from the general population, and even gave their names to the papers), putting them and their families at risk for Nazi retaliation.
Activists have reported that the name and home address of at least one out-of-town activist arrested at the counter-protest has been published to a Nazi web site.
A local NLG lawyer stepped up to the challenge of defending the 25 arrestees, and gave interviews to the corporate media outside the courthouse, as did several out-of-town activists who went to Toledo to support their incarcerated friends.
Resources:
NSM Web Site:
http://www.overthrow.com
Bill White, NSM Leader
(540) 798-1393 dhyphen [at] yahoo.com
Post Office Box 8631
Roanoke, VA 24014
_____________________
Edited Re-Post from Cleveland Indymedia
By Alex Gould, workers.org
Chanting "No Nazis, No KKK, No Police Intimidation", about 200 anti-fascist demonstrators made themselves heard in Toledo as the city rolled out the red carpet for the second National Socialist Movement rally this year.
Toledo residents opposing the Nazis were joined by groups from across the Midwest. The Nazis were far outnumbered by the anti-Nazi crowd when they finally peeked out at us from behind four massive rows of riot cops and began spewing their message of terrorism and genocide at the multinational and very unwelcoming audience below them at the City Hall plaza.
The city authorities allowed the Nazis to use a sound system but forbade anti-Nazi protestors from carrying picket signs or megaphones.
But what the Nazis lacked in numerical strength was made up for by political support from the city of Toledo, county sheriffs, state highway patrol, and cops and SWAT teams from as far away as Michigan who came to harass the anti-Nazi protestors.
Knowing that they could not guarantee the Nazis safety in the neighborhoods, the city of Toledo obtained a court order from judge Thomas Osowik, which awarded the Nazis center stage in downtown Toledo. The Nazis protested this limitation in court, and the weight of the court injunction was not aimed at them but at anti-Nazi protesters.
We were confined to a small protest pen, which was entered through a metal-detector and pat-down search with individual photographs of each protester by the cops. Protesters were not allowed to carry bags or backpacks into the designated protest area.
Even before the rally began, the police had set up an assembly-line arrest and booking operation in the police station next to the rally site, and the arrests started. In Monday's Toledo Blade, Judge Francis X. Gorman said, "We had this whole thing planned out really well", referring to mass arrests of anti-Nazi protesters.
29 people were arrested, more than one out of ten of the protesters. The cops repeatedly rode their horses into the dense crowd of protesters, stomping on at least one protester's foot, and dragged people, including this reporter, out of the crowd by their necks and into the waiting jail cells.
Elizabeth O'Brien of Lansing, Michigan says she was shocked repeatedly with a Taser by the police and has 35 welts on her left thigh. Ileana Cortez of Detroit was charged with assaulting a police horse, although no injuries to police animals were reported. No Nazis were arrested, although three local racists who infiltrated the protest were arrested.
The city of Toledo showed that they would use any means necessary to give fascists an unobstructed platform from which to spread their genocidal, racist garbage. This time, the counter-protesters were not numerous or organized enough to decisively defeat the Nazis and their cop friends, but despite overwhelming police oppression they made it clear that Nazis were not welcome in Toledo.
To view more photos and read reports from the corporate and indy media, visit Cleveland Indymedia:
http://cleveland.indymedia.org.
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2. WTO Ministerial Conference Hong Kong, 14 -18 December 2005:
Day One Report
Edited from UK Indymedia Post
By Tom Grundy
Protestors gathered last night at the Wan Chai loading bay near the Sports Centre last night, police in riot gear outnumbered demonstrators almost 2-1.
The crowd included protestors from Hong Kong, across the world and particularly South Korea. Several Korean activists jumped into the harbour and attempted to swim over to the venue hosting the WTO talks. Police stopped those involved before they could reach the Exhibition Centre, 3 of the swimmers were taken to a nearby fire station.
Some pushing and shoving began as a small number of activists tried to break through the police line to reach the Exhibition Centre. Police responded with pepper spray, injuring 9 people including Hong Kong’s best-known activist, and now politician, Leung Kwok-hung (or ‘Long Hair’). Well-known local protestor Matthew Pearce was also present, dressed as Superman.
Prominent law professor and globalization critic Jane Kelsey wrote, “The Hong Kong government is mustering all its propaganda skills to create a climate of fear as the meeting approaches, to justify cracking down on any dissent and keep the substantive issues off the front pages."
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3. EXCLUSIVE! Interview with Organizers of New West Chicago Infoshop
“We’re actually making all the decisions based on consensus”
Anonymous Organizer
For the past year, anarchists and other organizers in the Chicago suburb of West Chicago have been working together to jump through all the hoops required to find and rent a space for radical organizing.
Organizers say the biggest struggle has been finding a building with rent they can afford. They held their first meeting in the new space, unofficially being called, “The Space,” last weekend.
“The new Infoshop has lots of potential,” says an anonymous organizer.
“We’re planning to have a bookstore, a free library, a stage for bands and other events, an art gallery for local artists, free trade coffee, and free classes and workshops.”
Organizers say their collective is, “drama free,” and they plan to keep it that way!
Look soon for an announcement on Chicago Indymedia of the Grand Opening of The Space.
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4. EXCLUSIVE! Inside the AmeriCorps / VISTA Pre-Service Orientation
Rosemont, IL
This month, recipients of next year’s VISTA grants met at the Windham hotel in Rosemont, IL for orientation and indoctrination.
According to our inside source, the White Rabbit, VISTA (Volunteers in Service to America) is the indirect service branch of AmeriCorps, a federally sponsored program designed to systematically end poverty.
501-C3 Not For Profit orgs. can submit work plans for a VISTA slot, which pays an individual organizer about $800 a month (or 105% of the poverty level) for healthcare and living costs.
“VISTA is a way for people who are fighting poverty through community organizing to get grant money,” says the White Rabbit. “But you have to have a good ‘face’ and interact with a lot of people at a professional level to get the grant.”
Although VISTA grant recipients are forced to swear an oath to, “defend the Constitution from enemies forign or domestic, with true faith and without any mental reservations,” VISTA is not allowed to discriminate based on political or social affiliation.
Inside the conference, new grant recipients were given lyric sheets and forced to sing the, “12 Days of VISTA,” and “Serving in America,” to the tune of James Brown’s “Working in America”.
According to the White Rabbit, there were a good number of undercover radicals in the crowd, and a general anti-Bush sentiment. Organizers of the orientation repeatedly told new VISTA members that their commitment to the program should be on a 24/7 basis, and that they must stop all of their political organizing during their year of service.
These statements were greeted by grumbling in the crowd, with the general consensus being, “Who cares what they say? We’ll organize for (or against) whatever we damn well please.”
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5. Radical Advice from Buffy the Empire Slayer and the CPF Minister of Goofy Art
Q: If I ask my boyfriend (Wait, no, my lover. Ummmm, I mean my partner) not to sleep around, does that mean I’m not an anarchist?
Signed, Confused About My Relationship Status and My Political Identity
A: Have you had an open, honest conversation with the guy/girl/trans you’re fucking about the status of your relationship (open, closed, open only if you’re both there, etc . . .) That might be a good place to start. Be clear about your feelings and needs, and discuss what type of birth control you’ll both use with each other and with those outside the relationship to make sure you’re protected from pregnancy and STDs. And you’re an anarchist . . . if you want to be!
Q: Help! I love all things not vegan. How do I survive at a mass mobilization?
Signed, Hungry Anarchist
A: Offer to help Food Not Food (No, wait, that’s Food Not Bombs) dumpster dive. You can be the one to dig through meaty piles of flesh to get to the bread and veggies underneath, and they’ll love you for it. Use your spare change to get a cheeseburger at a local, independent fast food joint.
Q: I’m an anarchist, but I don’t like punk music. Is there something wrong with me?
Signed, Anti-Lifestyle Anarchist
A: Check out the Riot Folk Collective, http://www.riotfolk.org. You can download songs from the site. Our favorite is, “Clearcut” by Ethan and Kate. There is nothing wrong with you.
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6. Recipe:
Vegan Tomato Eggplant Curry (Serves 10)
Ingredients: 1 large eggplant, 1 large onion, 2 green peppers, 2 cans crushed tomatoes, 2 large cans chickpeas, olive oil, fresh garlic, garlic powder, curry powder, rice or couscous.
In a large pot, sauté chopped onion and garlic in olive oil on medium heat until the onion is soft and yellow. Add cubed eggplant pieces and chopped peppers, and cook until eggplant is soft. Add tomatoes and chick peas, stir in garlic powder and curry powder to taste.
Reduce heat to low, and cook for an hour. If serving at a party or event, put the dish in a crock pot or rice steamer to keep it warm.
Serve over rice or couscous with chopped raw nuts and hot pepper powder on the side.
Yum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*******************************************************
Fair Use Notice: This publication contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of anarchism, environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material in this publication is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this publication for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
*******************************************************
Do you need Radical PR?
Check us out at:
angelfire.com/empire2/bigideacom
Contact:
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Thanks for the re-posts!
Big Idea Rag#1 or D10 Toledo Media Clips, re-posted by: ainfos.ca, Indymedia.us, rockymountainresister.org, lawrencesolidarity.net
Fuck You Chicago Indymedia!
For being the only site to delete us.
Thanks for reading our tabloid! XOXOXOXO, Big Idea CSC.
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Many errors have been corrected in Wikipedia's Roman salute article. http://rexcurry.net/wikipedialies.html The article had many visits from Dr. Curry in the past - see its talk page- as Dr. Curry attempted to correct the many errors.
http://rexcurry.net/wikipedia-lies.html
However, the wikipedia article on the "Roman Salute" is becoming more dishonest by the week. An earlier version referenced the work of Professor Rex Curry and started thusly: "The Roman salute is a gesture in which the arm is held out forward straight, with palms down. Sometimes the arm is raised upward at an angle, sometimes it is held out parallel to the ground. The salute was supposed to have been used in the Roman republic, but there is no clear evidence of this. Indeed it is not known whether salutes in the military sense existed at all in Roman culture" (by Paul Barlow). A more recent version of the same article is written as if a neo-Nazi has been covering-up again.
A big initial problem is that no wiki writer will even attempt to discover the first use of the phrase "Roman salute" and thus the writers remain stuck in intellectually dishonest confusion about dates and origins.
The article reverts back to its earlier opening concessions to the work of Dr. Curry, conceding that there is no clear evidence of the salute in the Roman Republic and also conceding that there is no evidence of salutes in the military sense at all in Roman culture.
The wiki writer then engages in speculation that people today misunderstood some images from ancient Rome. There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose long ago from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misinterpreted Roman images in order to cover-up and suppress Professor Curry's discoveries.
The wiki writer then engages in speculation that neoclassical artists misunderstood some images from ancient Rome. There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers seized upon neoclassical artists in order to cover-up and suppress Professor Curry's discoveries.
For example, there is no evidence that Jacques-Louis David actually thought that his painting "The Oath of the Horatii" represented an actual historical Roman salute. All of the evidence indicates that David created the scene out of whole cloth for drama. All of the speculating otherwise is actually the machinations of wiki writers and people of their ilk. The intellectual dishonesty is all the more evident in that the wiki writers deliberately faill to address those very points already made by Dr. Curry http://rexcurry.net/pledgehoratii.html Further, the Horatii painting depicts three people reaching for weapons.
The Tennis Court Oath was painted by David later, and repeats David's use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted, but in a more modern setting. There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed. David was not there. Further, the oath was was written on paper (the paper being read by the central figure?) and the "oath was taken" by signing the document. There is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting (the central figure might be swearing, or he might be reading his document) while those people about him waive hats, talk, holler, point, etc. Three figures on the left seem to be an inside reference to the Horatii painting. The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works or reading into them.
The distribution of the Eagle Standards was painted by David even later, and repeats David's use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted, but in another modern setting. There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed and there is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting at all. The wiki writer claims that this is the mos important of these paintings. That painting shows no use of the salute in pledging or oath-taking or at all and simply shows various people, with various gestures, acclaiming the central figure and grabbing for, and shouting for, the "Eagle Standards." The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works and reading into them.
The wiki writer then claims that other painters during the nineteenth century regularly depicted the straight-arm gesture in scenes of Roman imperial history. The writer cites no support because there is no support.
There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misrepresented neoclassical art to cover-up Professor Curry's discoveries.
The cover-up is also supported by the fact that wiki writers know (or should know) that Francis Bellamy explained the origin of his salute and that it had nothing to do with imitating any painting, nor imitating any "Roman" salute myth.
At this paragraph the intellectual dishonesty doubles. The writer is attempting to imply that there is a relationship between the original Pledge salute and the myth of the "Roman salute." No support is cited because there is no support. The writer is not honest enough to clearly state that the supposed Roman myth was not an influence upon Francis Bellamy or Bellamy's cohorts. The writer will not reference Dr. Curry's clear explanation of how the Pledge salute was selected by Bellamy and Bellamy's cohorts, which is known because Bellamy explained its creation. The writer knows that it does not support the myth that the writer is trying to perpetuate.
The writer will not mention Professor Curry's voluminous dissection of Bellamy's love of the military and the Bellamy term "military socialism." The writer is still covering-up for socialism. The writer is also completely evading the fact that the use of the military salute in the Pledge evolved into the classic hard stylized Nazi salute. The writer is evading the fact that the Nazi salute is an extended military salute, via the Pledge of Allegiance. All of those are discoveries by Professor Curry.
It is unclear because the writer has knowingly refused to acknowledge Dr. Curry's discovery that the use of the military salute by Bellamy, caused the extended arm salute to change in use. Wikipedia articles are so intellectually dishonest that they are comical. It had nothing to do with the "Roman salute" myth, but the writer cannot bear to give up his distortions.
The Wikipedia writer implies that the Olympic salute came from a classical painting, but the wiki writer knows that he has no support to cite. The wiki writer is aware of Dr. Curry's voluminous and ground-breaking work exposing the Olympic salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to even mention it. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter1a1c.html The writer evades Professor Curry's explanation that the Olympic salute also derived ultimately from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The wiki writer references how Dr. Curry exposed the work of Martin Winkler regarding the use of the Roman salute in films. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html Professor Curry pointed out that Martin Winkler did not realize at the time of Winkler's article that the films were all pre-dated by the use of the salute in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance. Martin Winkler, while discussing the old films, was unaware that the salute had been the original salute of the Pledge of Allegiance. Dr. Curry long ago challenged Martin Winkler to debate these issues in public and Dr. Curry has maintained that standing debate challenge, which has been met with complete silence. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-professor-martin-winkler.html
The wiki writer adopts Martin Winkler's intellectually dishonest use of the term "fascist" to further aid the wiki writer in covering-up for the National Socialist German Workers' Party and for the National Socialism of the Bellamys.
The wiki writer also mentions a chest variation of the salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to mention Dr. Curry's photographs and explanation that the same variation was used earlier in the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not institute the hand-over-the-heart, and the writer acknowledges the error in the next sentence when referencing the act by Congress.
The writer fails to mention that through most of Roosevelt's time in office the straight arm salute was used and Professor Curry possesses photographic examples of Roosevelt himself being saluted with the notorious salute. It is interesting to note that Congress did not inject itself into the mess until after the U.S. entered World War II, December 7, 1941.
The article uses four (or more) forms of the word "Nazi" and never gives the actual correct name of the horrid party: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. It is a classic example of the usual cover-up for socialism, and the cover-up of the philosophical relationship between the German National Socialists and U.S. National Socialists (e.g. the Bellamys). The wiki writer's behavior is comparable to that of neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers (and Wholecaust deniers). It reinforces the hackneyed use of the shorthand "Nazi" and the myth that members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party referred to themselves as "Nazis" (they did not refer to themselves as "Nazis"). There are many people who use the word "Nazi" to avoid ever stating the actual name of the party. Technically speaking, there was no "Nazi Party" as that is simply shorthand slang that has been developed and spread by people like the writer on the left. The writer makes constant use of the shorthand "Nazi" even when discussing the very topic at hand.
Wiki writers evade the topic that Professor Curry has raised, which is that Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy were self-proclaimed National Socialists in the USA three decades before the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and Edward's book was an international bestseller, translated into every major language (including German, which Edward spoke and wrote, and where Edward had studied as a young man) and that Edward's dogma inspired "Nationalism" clubs worldwide including in Germany.
The Bellamy salute was not originally the same as the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, as noted by Professor Curry. However, as anyone who looks at Dr. Curry's historic photographs of the salute can see, it developed into the same salute as that of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Even the writer above concedes Dr. Curry's point that the flag was saluted with a normal military-style salute and then the arm was straightened out toward the flag during the oath. The writer above tellingly evades the point that the use of the military salute led to the change in the salute to the U.S. flag. It is as if the writer above is conceding the point made by Professor Curry.
The writers are thanked for conceding that the "Roman salute" page has contained inaccuracies, and for correcting some of those errors. The writers have "become wiser," by incorporating some of Professor Curry's discoveries.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1763266.php
Many errors have been corrected in Wikipedia's Roman salute article. http://rexcurry.net/wikipedialies.html The article had many visits from Dr. Curry in the past - see its talk page- as Dr. Curry attempted to correct the many errors.
http://rexcurry.net/wikipedia-lies.html
However, the wikipedia article on the "Roman Salute" is becoming more dishonest by the week. An earlier version referenced the work of Professor Rex Curry and started thusly: "The Roman salute is a gesture in which the arm is held out forward straight, with palms down. Sometimes the arm is raised upward at an angle, sometimes it is held out parallel to the ground. The salute was supposed to have been used in the Roman republic, but there is no clear evidence of this. Indeed it is not known whether salutes in the military sense existed at all in Roman culture" (by Paul Barlow). A more recent version of the same article is written as if a neo-Nazi has been covering-up again.
A big initial problem is that no wiki writer will even attempt to discover the first use of the phrase "Roman salute" and thus the writers remain stuck in intellectually dishonest confusion about dates and origins.
The article reverts back to its earlier opening concessions to the work of Dr. Curry, conceding that there is no clear evidence of the salute in the Roman Republic and also conceding that there is no evidence of salutes in the military sense at all in Roman culture.
The wiki writer then engages in speculation that people today misunderstood some images from ancient Rome. There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose long ago from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misinterpreted Roman images in order to cover-up and suppress Professor Curry's discoveries.
The wiki writer then engages in speculation that neoclassical artists misunderstood some images from ancient Rome. There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers seized upon neoclassical artists in order to cover-up and suppress Professor Curry's discoveries.
For example, there is no evidence that Jacques-Louis David actually thought that his painting "The Oath of the Horatii" represented an actual historical Roman salute. All of the evidence indicates that David created the scene out of whole cloth for drama. All of the speculating otherwise is actually the machinations of wiki writers and people of their ilk. The intellectual dishonesty is all the more evident in that the wiki writers deliberately faill to address those very points already made by Dr. Curry http://rexcurry.net/pledgehoratii.html Further, the Horatii painting depicts three people reaching for weapons.
The Tennis Court Oath was painted by David later, and repeats David's use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted, but in a more modern setting. There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed. David was not there. Further, the oath was was written on paper (the paper being read by the central figure?) and the "oath was taken" by signing the document. There is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting (the central figure might be swearing, or he might be reading his document) while those people about him waive hats, talk, holler, point, etc. Three figures on the left seem to be an inside reference to the Horatii painting. The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works or reading into them.
The distribution of the Eagle Standards was painted by David even later, and repeats David's use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted, but in another modern setting. There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed and there is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting at all. The wiki writer claims that this is the mos important of these paintings. That painting shows no use of the salute in pledging or oath-taking or at all and simply shows various people, with various gestures, acclaiming the central figure and grabbing for, and shouting for, the "Eagle Standards." The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works and reading into them.
The wiki writer then claims that other painters during the nineteenth century regularly depicted the straight-arm gesture in scenes of Roman imperial history. The writer cites no support because there is no support.
There is no support for the idea that the "Roman Salute" concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images. There is as much evidence that, after Dr. Curry's shocking discoveries about the salute's origin with the Pledge of Allegiance, modern writers (including wiki writers) deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misrepresented neoclassical art to cover-up Professor Curry's discoveries.
The cover-up is also supported by the fact that wiki writers know (or should know) that Francis Bellamy explained the origin of his salute and that it had nothing to do with imitating any painting, nor imitating any "Roman" salute myth.
At this paragraph the intellectual dishonesty doubles. The writer is attempting to imply that there is a relationship between the original Pledge salute and the myth of the "Roman salute." No support is cited because there is no support. The writer is not honest enough to clearly state that the supposed Roman myth was not an influence upon Francis Bellamy or Bellamy's cohorts. The writer will not reference Dr. Curry's clear explanation of how the Pledge salute was selected by Bellamy and Bellamy's cohorts, which is known because Bellamy explained its creation. The writer knows that it does not support the myth that the writer is trying to perpetuate.
The writer will not mention Professor Curry's voluminous dissection of Bellamy's love of the military and the Bellamy term "military socialism." The writer is still covering-up for socialism. The writer is also completely evading the fact that the use of the military salute in the Pledge evolved into the classic hard stylized Nazi salute. The writer is evading the fact that the Nazi salute is an extended military salute, via the Pledge of Allegiance. All of those are discoveries by Professor Curry.
It is unclear because the writer has knowingly refused to acknowledge Dr. Curry's discovery that the use of the military salute by Bellamy, caused the extended arm salute to change in use. Wikipedia articles are so intellectually dishonest that they are comical. It had nothing to do with the "Roman salute" myth, but the writer cannot bear to give up his distortions.
The Wikipedia writer implies that the Olympic salute came from a classical painting, but the wiki writer knows that he has no support to cite. The wiki writer is aware of Dr. Curry's voluminous and ground-breaking work exposing the Olympic salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to even mention it. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter1a1c.html The writer evades Professor Curry's explanation that the Olympic salute also derived ultimately from the Pledge of Allegiance.
The wiki writer references how Dr. Curry exposed the work of Martin Winkler regarding the use of the Roman salute in films. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html Professor Curry pointed out that Martin Winkler did not realize at the time of Winkler's article that the films were all pre-dated by the use of the salute in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance. Martin Winkler, while discussing the old films, was unaware that the salute had been the original salute of the Pledge of Allegiance. Dr. Curry long ago challenged Martin Winkler to debate these issues in public and Dr. Curry has maintained that standing debate challenge, which has been met with complete silence. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-professor-martin-winkler.html
The wiki writer adopts Martin Winkler's intellectually dishonest use of the term "fascist" to further aid the wiki writer in covering-up for the National Socialist German Workers' Party and for the National Socialism of the Bellamys.
The wiki writer also mentions a chest variation of the salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to mention Dr. Curry's photographs and explanation that the same variation was used earlier in the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not institute the hand-over-the-heart, and the writer acknowledges the error in the next sentence when referencing the act by Congress.
The writer fails to mention that through most of Roosevelt's time in office the straight arm salute was used and Professor Curry possesses photographic examples of Roosevelt himself being saluted with the notorious salute. It is interesting to note that Congress did not inject itself into the mess until after the U.S. entered World War II, December 7, 1941.
The article uses four (or more) forms of the word "Nazi" and never gives the actual correct name of the horrid party: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. It is a classic example of the usual cover-up for socialism, and the cover-up of the philosophical relationship between the German National Socialists and U.S. National Socialists (e.g. the Bellamys). The wiki writer's behavior is comparable to that of neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers (and Wholecaust deniers). It reinforces the hackneyed use of the shorthand "Nazi" and the myth that members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party referred to themselves as "Nazis" (they did not refer to themselves as "Nazis"). There are many people who use the word "Nazi" to avoid ever stating the actual name of the party. Technically speaking, there was no "Nazi Party" as that is simply shorthand slang that has been developed and spread by people like the writer on the left. The writer makes constant use of the shorthand "Nazi" even when discussing the very topic at hand.
Wiki writers evade the topic that Professor Curry has raised, which is that Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy were self-proclaimed National Socialists in the USA three decades before the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and Edward's book was an international bestseller, translated into every major language (including German, which Edward spoke and wrote, and where Edward had studied as a young man) and that Edward's dogma inspired "Nationalism" clubs worldwide including in Germany.
The Bellamy salute was not originally the same as the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, as noted by Professor Curry. However, as anyone who looks at Dr. Curry's historic photographs of the salute can see, it developed into the same salute as that of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Even the writer above concedes Dr. Curry's point that the flag was saluted with a normal military-style salute and then the arm was straightened out toward the flag during the oath. The writer above tellingly evades the point that the use of the military salute led to the change in the salute to the U.S. flag. It is as if the writer above is conceding the point made by Professor Curry.
The writers are thanked for conceding that the "Roman salute" page has contained inaccuracies, and for correcting some of those errors. The writers have "become wiser," by incorporating some of Professor Curry's discoveries.
For more information:
http://rexcurry.net/wikipedia-lies.html
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