Pictures from November 2 -- The World Can't Wait Drive Out the Bush Regime Demo

Hmmm. Thank God/goddess that we have Indybay/alt. media to set the record straight...

300 or 3000, doesn't matter. Its WAAAY more effective than the "Social Strike" against Muni. Hey, anybody know whatever happened to that?....

I was there, and I can tell you the energy there was fantastic. This was a weekday, after all -- and it was phenominal how many showed up in spite of this. The park in front of the civic center was packed. What really impressed me was the number of young people who showed up. I've been to a lot of anti-war rallies in the last 2 years and the average age seemed to be around 45. There were scores of high-schoolers at this rally, though. It was a breath of fresh air to finally be able to scream "Drive out the Bush Regime!!!" How many months have I been keeping that bottled up? :)

Just a quick question:

How does disrupting traffic and getting yourself arrested affect President Bush or his policies? And exactly how many people did this nationwide? I'd love to see the numbers. I'm willing to bet this is a relatively insignificant percentage of the populous.

It is the VETERAN, not the preacher,

who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,

who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet,

who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,

who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,

who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician,

Who has given us the right to vote.

Yeah, because all the counties with a military have civil liberties and freedom right?

It's the British miltiary that dumbed tea in the harbor...

It is the Veteran who let the charge to let women vote.

The Veteran who let the strugge to save give black people the same right.

etc......................

Get a clue. The Military keeps the country from getting invaded. Good, job. Gaining and Defending rights is up to the people.

I hope the previous person to comment was not reffering to the Boston Tea Party, because if he was, he certianly hasnt been paying attention in history class.

Irregardless, He was right. Citzenry does play a role in social change. Yet the citizenry would be unable to do this without a force to defend it from oppression, invasion, anarchy, and violence. Its unwise to understate to importance of the military, for without it, no rights could exist.

Americans are armed to the teeth. We don't need an army. We are an army. If anyone ever invades, they will leave their bones here. The standing military isn't here to protect our rights at home, but to to protect the profits of the corporations in other lands.

I appreciate the responsse to post.

Someone once said "A mob is no more an army than a pile of building supplies is a house."

I dont know about you, but I dont want to have to rely on joe bob with a shotgun to protect me from threats abroad. Whatever your view on 9/11, that event certainly proved a the point that there are people out there who do not like us, and would rather we not exist.

I know you have heard this argument before, but think about it for a second. Islamic extremist aren't just upset with us because we supply the Israeli military (We also gave money to Fatah) nor is their issue with us are deployment of troops in Saudi Arabia (We pulled out almost all of our troops a couple of years ago) There issue is that to them we are an abomination. All the things you value, freedom, womens rights, racial harmony, they consider to be ungodly.

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>that event certainly proved a the point that there are people out there who do not like us

No it didn't. It didn't even prove that the perps *were* from "out there." It's just as likely that it was a stunt engineered by elements of our own government as an excuse to start a war. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that a staged incident started a war. Remember, we have only the CIA's own word that Osama is not longer their employee. The CIA's word, plus a dollar, buys one cup of coffee.

The whole 9/11 conspiracy theories raise to many questions of logic to be taken seriesly. If it was a bomb,h ow did they get it in there without anybody noticing, and how did they manage to time it perfectly with a plane crashing in to it. If the plane blew up the buidling, yet the CIA was still involved, who or what was operating the plane,

Manned? Who besides an extremist who beleive sther going heaven afterwards would kill themselves to ram a plane into a bulding. No CIA man is going to fry himself just to make his boss happy. Computer controlled? I have never heard of a drone system that could pilot somethign as bulky as a 747.

Why the Pentagon and the Trade Towers anyway? The attacks killed a lot of up and coming military officer and corprate officials and sent the the stock market into a spriral. Causing massive military and economic damage is not partiucallry beneficial to "the powers the be". Why not just blow up a gas station, a bridge, anything? Why hurt yourself really bad just to start a war?

How come none of the thousands of jounalists picking around the incident found anything amiss.?How come Bin Laden admitted on tape to helping plan the attack?

The 9/11 didnt happen/was a coverup story is just ghost and goblins. The manafactured thing about 9/11 was all the tin foil hat stories that followed it.

The 9/11 coverup stories are nothing more than a conveniant hoax thought up by people who simply needed an excuse not empathize with Ameircans. Supringly some of Americans bought into it too. I guess its just in fashion.

Ok, how state briefly how the official record of 9/11 is flawed and explain to me briefly the best alternative theory.

I dont like the Bush administration either, but I am hesitant to believe a theory over a historical event if it just seems that the only reasoning for somebody to believe it is because they want to believe it.

It seems to me that there are about a half dozen illegal and or amoral acts that we can reasonably deduce GW and Co. were responsible for (Medicare Bill, (Amoral), NSA Spying (Illegal), Abramoff-George W link (Amoral because George lied about it, but maybe not specifically illegal), Valery Plame Case (ILLEGAL!)) Why not get the word out on any of these things that can be proven?

Well in anycase, I maintain my offer about the first paragraph, but come up with some hard evidence.

You could start by reading that link I posted:

http://prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb338782.htm

>I am hesitant to believe a theory over a historical event if it just seems that the only reasoning for somebody to believe it is because they want to believe it.

If it seems that way to you, it is because you have not sufficiently examined the actual evidence.

>Why not get the word out on any of these things that can be proven?

You're begging the question.

(1.) It *can* be proven.

(2.) We *are* getting the word out on these other things.


>I dont like the Bush administration either

The why are you defending their lies?

I read the article. It mentioned there were doubts about official 9/11 record of events, It brought up the idea that the Trade Towers were destoyed by emplaced explosives.


What I am asking for is a specific explanation of those theories. Have you read them? I don't need an essay, just a quick point by point critique of common beliefs about 9/11 and how the thoeries brought up by the experts mentioned in that article are superior.

I understand The Bush Adminstartion is extremely corrupt, but I also understand that they are not the one source of evil in the world. I'm agianst lies and misdeeds regardless of what political spectrum they originate from.

Making lies to counter lies is not a solution, so give me proof that Bush was behind 9/11, dont just say to me "Believe it because you hate Bush." Even just some facts to open up my mind on the subject would be satisfactory.

First why don't you demand Bush's "proof" THAT BIN LADEN FUCKING DID IT???? It's never seen the light of day, you know. You just **THINK** it's been established as fact because of the classic Big Lie methodology used to push this assumption down your throat by the mass media band wagon and all the other Good Germans trudging along after it. Baa-a-a-a, baa-a-a-a

Meanwhile there's never been real proof delivered either way. The 'Crazy Arab' theory is also a conspiracy theory, so it's completely valid to disregard it and entertain other scenarios. As for "proof" that the Bush junta did it, **assuming_they_did** anyone in a position to deliver the goods is either 1) a known reliable keeper of secrets or 2) dead. Why do TV-brained boobs have so much trouble figuring this one out?

BTW, I think the controlled demolition theory is asinine bullshit and I wish 9-11 skeptics would quit pushing it. It's a trojan horse aimed at morons. There's lots of other stuff out there that's way more solid that should be used to build interest. Here's about 10,000 of them, for example:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

That's a straw man. I never said "Bush was behind it." I said that the official conspiracy theory is too full of holes to be plausible. It reads like a cross beteen the Tonkin Gulf Incident and Operation Canned Meat. That doesn't mean "Bush was behind it." It doesn't mean he wasn't. All it means is that people who swallow the official conspiracy theory whole, haven't done enough research, read enough history, or even thought it all the way through.

"First why don't you demand Bush's "proof" THAT BIN LADEN FUCKING DID IT"

Whoa. Cool it buddy. Where just having a polite debate here.

To answer your question, Bin Laden admitted it on videotape and the evidence I have seen so far indicates his underlings were involved.

I do appreciate the link though. I'll look into it.