San Francisco War Protest - 24 Sept '05

I brought sign at the Sept 24, 05 antiwar protest that stated there are few,scarce food ,job and job money job seeking programs in America. I'm saddened that it although photographed by your media did not put this sign in the website. I alos said that Our soldiers are dying and being totured for nothing. Pres Bush does not even know what/s going on in his own America.

Don't fall for it. There will never be peace oin the Middle East until there is justice in Palestine.

Hamas: Our Main Goal Is to Establish a Great Islamic State -
Mahmoud A-Zahhar, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, said last week in an interview:

Q: If Israel withdraws from all the areas occupied after 1967, will this be the end of the resistance?
A-Z: First of all we already agreed with the Palestinian factions on this plan. On the basis of this plan we can establish a state, after which we would engage in a long hudna (calm agreement), which would last for years.
Q: What is the final goal of Hamas?
A-Z: If you ask any Palestinian or Muslim, wherever he lives - in America or in Britain or in Indonesia - he would tell you that according to the religious point of view, this land is part of the Arab and Muslim nations. This means that there is no other option but to reunify this land once again.
Q: What is 'this land' that you are talking about? Are you talking about the whole of Israel?
A-Z: First of all this Palestinian land, and all the Arabic nation, is all part of the same area. In the past, there was no independent Palestinian state; there was no independent Jordanian state; and so on. There were regions called Iraq or Egypt, but they were all part of one country....Our main goal is to establish a great Islamic state, be it pan-Arabic or pan-Islamic.

September 27, 2005

Living here in Los Angeles in the very heart of the entertainment industry and having a celebrity television talk, I have become used to the excessive behaviour that passes for normal! I know women who are plastic surgery freaks. They seem to be always going back to a better surgeon for yet another nip and tuck. The same priorities consume the crowd at the gym. They pump iron for hours, live on lettuce and are always striving to lose that delusional last five pounds! That, folks, is exactly the attitude of the Arab world when it comes to any and all concessions by Israel. It never will be enough! The Arab world has a plan for Israel and the rest of the world, and all the nips and tucks the so-called Palestinian state receives by way of concessions cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Their plan, of course, is Israel's destruction, world domination and submission of any and all religions to theirs! Editorials in the rabidly anti-Semitic Los Angeles Times already state, Israel Leaves but Gaza is Hardly Free!" and articles decry, -how isolated they [Arabs] are in Gaza now, from the outside world, (not to mention the West Bank and Jerusalem) and as subject to Israeli domination as before. Other propaganda promotes the dreaded concept of collective punishment: Nearly half of all Palestinians live below the poverty line of $2 a day. The World Banks assessment of the cause of this dramatic deterioration in Palestinian living standards is unequivocal. Following the Times' impeccable logic, the fault lies with Israel, the eternal suspect that has caused suffering to the Palestinians by limiting the work force entering Israel to keep out terrorists who sabotage everything in sight and blow up themselves and countless civilians to pieces. According to the Times, The Precipitator of this economic crisis has been closure, a multifaceted system of restrictions on the movement of the Palestinian people and goods, which the government of Israel argues is essential to protect Israelis in Israel and the settlements. Well, yeah, it does tend to keep down the savage barbaric actions of their Arab neighbors who are giving that same 7th century lifestyle to the rest of the world, which, incidentally, doesn't seem to like it on their home grounds but found it OK on Jewish soil. Could I just ask, where does it say that Israel is legally obligated to conduct business with a known enemy? Jews aren't even allowed in most Arab countries, yet the United Nations meets regularly to censure Israel for "collective punishment" for not hiring these terrorists and bringing them into Israel. What in the world is this about creating employment opportunities for people who want you dead and are at war with you? Could it be that the Jewish state really doesnt have responsibility for seeing that Arab living standards are raised and maintained? Maybe someone should have a serious talk with Yasser Arafat's wife Suha, Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas and his cronies and convince them to open up the secret Swiss vaults, take out some of the 8-11 BILLION dollars still hidden from the US, EU and United Nations "donors" and do something constructive towards aiding the plight of their own people. These donations have come from everyone except from Suha's purse and the Palestinians' own wealthy Arab brothers, who have decried the deplorable refugee camps they placed them in but continue to do nothing about them except urge more killing. The Arabs show none of the same compassion they force on the rest of the world. Recall last year's tsunami? Who gave the least? The Muslims nations, particularly the Arab ones! Who needed money the most? Other Muslims! Who gave first? Israel. Palestine does not need any more rocket manufacturing plants. It needs sewage and water treatment plants. They don't need any more schools but just need to clean up the ones they have. They need hospitals to improve the lives of their people rather than have the Israelis fix up the broken bodies. The L.A Times further states, The Separation Barrier prevents the free flow of Palestinian economic transactions; they raise the cost of doing business and disrupt the predictability needed for orderly economic life. Well, gol-ley, do you think that somewhere we just might want to mention that this "separation fence" also keeps the residents of Israel (both Jewish and Arab) a lot safer than before? The bottom line is that all the press statements from Arab leaders and much of the world press are constantly declaring, This is not Enough and it is only the beginning. Dr. Condoleezza Rice says how nice the Israeli gesture was, but it is just not enough. Well, yeah, it's never going to be enough, until they have the entire country of Israel under Muslim control and things are back the way they were when Jerusalem was under Arab control way back when. They liked it when they were able to use the marble headstones from Jewish cemeteries to pave their roads and line the toilets of their new hotels, as the Intercontinental Hotel once did. The people who consider this acceptable behaviour have the weight of the worlds press behind them, screaming, Now the West Bank, now your ancient Capital, the Holy of Holies. Of course, that would satisfy them, wouldn't it? I remember visiting Israel before 1967 and not being able to visit the Jewish holy places. Oh, The Wall was still there but under Jordanian control and, what a surprise, Jews were not allowed in! Now, their cry is Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital! One of the more recent L.A. Times headlines informed its shocked readers, "Israel says it will annex Palestinian Land!" Could they have been talking about the homes belonging to the residents of the settlement of Ma'aleh Adumim, which is only a rifle shot away Jerusalem? Has anyone ever looked at a map of the surrounding 22 Arab nations, which, between them, possess vast tracts, literally millions of acres, of uninhabited land and enormous wealth-generating deposits of oil? Is anyone else unable to refrain from bursting out in hysterical laughter when they see that Palestinian leaders are now calling emergency meetings over the "seizure of 22 acres in the village of A-tur, where Israeli homes are to be built in their own land and country! Where is the Palestinian strategic plan for evacuating the Israelis they displace? There is one, isnt there? Of course there is. The PA has shown how sacred it considers even one Jewish life. Mass extermination and burial is the PA plan for Israel. It is deja vu all over again. I wonder, has the word "thank you" ever been in the vocabulary of this "peaceful culture"? Ive never heard it uttered once where Israel is concerned. Now, as the Arabs are getting ready to move into the fertile oasis that the Jews' passion carved out of barren land over the past generations, Saeb Erekat, their chief negotiator, is already criticizing how the Arabs "are looking for hope and peace, but the step (the annex of 22 acres), this disastrous decision, undermines any attempt to resume meaningful negotiations." That sounds to me like an excuse to justify the violent terrorism that is surely on the way. The ball is in their court. It’s their choice. They can get cooking and actually set up a democratic government to build roads, infrastructure, and factories. They can tear down those wretched refugee camps they've been milking for PR purposes and even print their own stamps. They certainly have the money for it. However, want to make a bet on how long it's going to be before we see them rampaging through the streets, cheering their black-hooded Hamas terrorists in lock-step? I could be wrong and really, really, really want to be wrong, I really want my Israeli brothers and sisters to finally be at peace with their new neighbor. Having said that and hoping it will happen, I doubt it will come to pass. Killing and death are more important to these Arabs than living and life

The anti-Israel warmongers who sip Merlot and encourage kids half a world away to "martyr" themselves think that "it is a trick" that there are supporters of Israel who are anti-war.

So it is "peaceful" to chant "Long live the Intifada"?

Most Jews in this country oppose the war. Most Jews support Israel. Do the math.

At this point, most Americans oppose the war. American citizens overwhelmingly support Israel. Do the math.

It's not a math problem. It's a moral problem. Most Germans supported the Third Reich, too. So what?

So you resort to bringing up the Nazis? Typical for anti-Zionists since you don't have any real arguments.

You talk about the "power of the people" when you agree with it, but not when you don't?

It still is a strange argument when the point was that most Zionists oppose the war in Iraq, including many out there standing with San Francisco Voice for Israel.

Can you at least agree that a large percentage if not most Zionists oppose the war in Iraq as was stated above?

You should also know that a large number of people march with the main group, then come to stand with the Israeli supporters at the rally.

If you had taken the time to talk to these people you would have found that this was true- they were there to support peace for Israel and peace for the world.

If you are for a true and lasting peace, its hard to stand next to people chanting "long Live the Intifada", or "Smash the Jewish State"

Peace for Israel is exile and oppression for the other Palestinians. There can be no peace in Palestine until there is justice for *all* who live there, and not just the ethnic group with the biggest military. There can be no peace in Palestine while a racist army occupies most of the land. There can be no peace for Israel, ever, because Israel is a racist, oppressor state. Israel "proper" is every but as much Occupied Palestine as the West Bank.

the math isn't important? its a democracy. not a loony tune convention.




what amazes me is not that you protest the war. im ok with that. that's what our country is built you have the right to. but to call our troops in foreign countries right risking their life for you, no matter what the cause. and you have to nerve to insult them, and call them murderers. baby killers. even "sacks of shit"

i think that really shows the class of the democratic party.