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New Orleans: Murder and rape - fact or fiction?

by reposted
There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre.

In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out.

But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal.

New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre.
New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward."

And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward.

Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses.

During a week when communications were difficult, rumours have acquired a particular currency. They acquired through repetition the status of established facts.

One French journalist from the daily newspaper Libération was given precise information that 1,200 people had drowned at Marion Abramson school on 5552 Read Boulevard. Nobody at the Federal Emergency Management Agency or the New Orleans police force has been able to verify that.

But then Fema could not confirm there were thousands of people at the convention centre until they were told by the press for the simple reason that they did not know.

"Katrina's winds have left behind an information vacuum. And that vacuum has been filled by rumour.

"There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed.

"You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist.

"But nobody is doing that."

Either way these rumours have had an effect.

Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded.

By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting.

The local mayor responded accordingly.

"We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate.

"We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people."

The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter".

"There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes."

Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load".

But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T-shirt that read "I love New Orleans".

"She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times.

"We have sick kids up here!" she shouted.

"We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1563532,00.html
by Niyasha (dj61 [at] yahoo.com)
After seeing so many give their eyewitness accounts of what went on at the superdome, how could you doubt some of the stories. A woman reported: there were things that I thought would never see in my lifetime, another man said he left because he couldn't listen to a man be beat by the crowd. He was the one who was suppose have killed and raped the 7 year old. CNN should two bodies that were butchered. All of the sex offenders of new orleans probably evacuated to the superdome, i can't believe that nothing like this did not go on. There was not crowd control, doesn't seem like anyone was arrested who carried weapons. So pretty much these stories are believeable. I have heard over and over again about the 7 year old, the women who was raped for four hours. The only thing that I do question, is if this girl was raped and killed, how did they find this one guy amongst thousands of people. Maybe he was spotted leaving the scene, maybe he was around the bathrooms. I don't know there are so many questions I have. Maybe the person she was with died, or was very old, maybe the guardian or parent was an addict and of course, you'll picture how that went, since there were drug dealers at the superdome selling. I don't know. I'm hoping that it's not true, but then again, when Oprah went there, the head officer reported babies being raped. Think about it.
by observer
How much you want to bet Niyasha is a white racist using a "black name" to impugn the overwhelmingly black victims of the floods?
by deanosor (deanosor [at] comcast.net)
Unless you hear directly from a reliable eyewitness, all reports should be treated as rumor. If one wriresabout such reprots whether it's stories saying someone was violent or stories sayignthe person did soemthign positive, the proper way to write such a story is the use teh word alledged. So one should day Jon smith alledgedly raped mary jones, and afterwards dsy JD got arrested, He wa allegedly attacked by john doe.
by My Sea Stork
Rumors spread quicker than disease in times of chaotic turmoil. Any sane adult should know that.

I think some person [e.g. "Niyasha"] who was not there and persists in a deep "disbelief" that children and women weren't raped and murdered is more disturbing than the traumatized people whom were circulating that rumor amidst a scared and dark Superdome among strangers. At least the people there (for those 5 days) had a reason to think the worst and assume the worst from every scream and cry from people whom lay dying and neglected by local, state and national relief agencies. But now that the people have been cleared out, transported, interviewed, and the Superdome is in the process of being cleaned out, I find it hard to doubt Police Chief Eddie Compass' assessment that these reports are unsubstantiated and no parent or women have come forth as relatives of, or the actual "victims" of these crimes.

And regarding the four bodies that were "found mutilated" by an "unnamed source" (and then photographed by this mystery person)... it was said that they appeared to have sustained post mortem mutilations and photographed a day or two after the last of the people were evacuated from the Superdome. The person reporting this seem to have some confusion about the timing of these events and this discovery. And all of those details make me wonder who was responsible for this. It sounds suspicious and as though someone was eager to "prove" something horrible happened there ['that wasn't FEMA's fault'] after those excuses, I mean, rumors of child rape, child murder and armed thugs began to fall apart as reasons the Superdome was "so dangerous" to enter with relief aide.
by game of "telephone"
I saw one report on TV where a person who was refusing to leave their house in New Orleans cited the "rampant violence" going on in the streets: rape, murder, looting, etc, all the bad things non-whites do when they do not have the "crowd control" Nayisha thinks they need. Anyway, these people being interviewed were too afraid to leave their house, never going past their front porch for almost a week. The reporter visiting them, sharper than most for not taking their story for granted, asked the couple if they had seen this violence for themselves as they peeked out their windows into the streets below. They immediately said, "No," they hadn't seen anything like that but their out-of-state friends had all called them and told them of the reports they had seen on TV.

So you have TV reporting second- and thrid-hand rumours, those rumours making their way back into New Orleans, and then those people in New Orleans (maybe a little too ready to believe the worst about the darker residents of the city), telling reporters about the violence in the streets around them. If the interviewing reporter in this case hadn't bothered to ask what this couple actually saw, you would have had another round of a bad game of "telephone" reinforcing itself.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
by tkat
I still don't think we will know what kind of stuff happened there, exactly. I have a real hard time hearing folks cite the police and their lack of evidence as a example that bad things didn't happen. Why would victims come forward to a police force that is corrupt and complict in their suffering?
I have read and heard first hand accounts of inside the dome and seen people that are suffering from PTSD. The personal accounts came from a group of college students that were in the dome, they described an environment of agressive male behavior. The other accounts that I heard were from the CA medics that were stationed within the dome and the types of assaults (including rapes and physical assaults) that they witnessed and were treating.
Unfortunately, imagining a place where men feel free to assualt women and behave like the worst aspects of a partriarchal culture really isn't that hard to imagine is it? Talking about it like, there are all these sex offenders loose there, is sort of missing the point that in times of non crisis every 2 minutes a woman is raped in this country.
From the states mouth....The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials -- less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)

by just wondering
Men get raped, too. How many minutes between rapes of men?
by Spirit Knows the Truth
tkat, ~when the dust settles~, you could never produce a viable link to any credible source that would back up (with facts) what you wrote. Try not to make a bad situation worse, in spite of your desire to believe the worst about the black people in the Superdome and your eagerness to roll around in the excuses of the mainstream news reports and goverment agencies who did not go in there and save lives, and yet could have.
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