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Denver pitbull ban and California dog legislation
DawnWatch: Los Angeles Times front page on Denver pitbull ban and California dog legislation 8/2/05
The front page of the Tuesday, August 2, Los Angeles Times has a heartbreaking story about people having to either adopt out family members or leave their homes thanks to Denver's overreaching pitbull ban. It is headed, "Denver's Dogged Outlaws; The city has banned pit bulls. Owners hide them, move away or turn to an 'underground railroad' to keep them from being put to death."
After some heartbreaking stories, including one about a man now living in a car so that he can keep his dogs, we learn that "Denver is not alone in banning the breed -- cities including Cincinnati, Miami and Lanett, Ala., have outlawed pit bulls." But then we get welcome news about California:
"California cities cannot ban specific breeds of dogs, but a bill in the state Legislature would permit them to require certain breeds be spayed and neutered, making them less aggressive."
As California kills hundreds of thousand of dogs every year in shelters, most true animal advocates would be thrilled to see compulsory spay/neuter of all breeds as long as there are any dogs dying for lack of homes. Why not start with those breeds deemed dangerous, that tend to attract those who enjoy organizing dog fights for sport? I write that as the adoptive mother of a sweet little red-nose pitbull, who is, of course, spayed. But thousands of her relatives die every year in California shelters and countless others die in organized dog fights. A ban on breeding them would be wonderful. And it is no doubt the compromise needed that will prevent a misguided over-reaching law like that in Denver, which takes loving dogs out of loving homes.
The bill is SB 861, authored by Senator Jackie Speier, a democrat from the San Francisco/San Mateo area. It states, "Cities and counties may enact dog breed-specific ordinances pertaining only to mandatory spay or neuter programs and breeding requirements." You can read it on line at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0851-0900/sb_861_bill_20050705_amended_asm.html
The California Legislative Action Alert recommends that we "Tell the legislators that local government needs to have the ability to regulate the breeding of pit bulls, the unnamed subjects of this legislation, for the welfare of both the public and the dogs themselves. Too many misused and mistreated pit bulls flood the animal shelters."
Californians, you can write in favor to you assembly member and please also send a quick note of support to the bill's author, Senator Speier. You can email her at: Senator.Speier [at] sen.ca.gov It is likely the office will print out emails in support. A written letter is preferable (but only if it actually gets printed out and sent) and should be sent to:
Senator Jackie Speier
State Capitol, Room 2032
Sacramento, CA 95814
You can read the full Los Angeles Times article on line at http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20050802/ts_latimes/denversdoggedoutlaws
OR
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-pitbulls2aug02,1,5499635.story
OR try this Tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/amjb4
It presents a great opportunity for letters about California's companion animal overpopulation crisis and the need for extensive spay-neuter legislation. Legislators look to letters to the editor pages as barometers of public opinion, so your letters matter. The Los Angeles Times takes letters at: letters [at] latimes.com
Always include your full name, address, and daytime phone number when sending a letter to the editor. Shorter letters are more likely to be published.
(DawnWatch is an animal advocacy media watch that looks at animal issues in the media and facilitates one-click responses to the relevant media outlets. You can learn more about it, and sign up for alerts at http://www.DawnWatch.com. If you forward or reprint DawnWatch alerts, please do so unedited -- leave DawnWatch in the title and include this tag line.)
After some heartbreaking stories, including one about a man now living in a car so that he can keep his dogs, we learn that "Denver is not alone in banning the breed -- cities including Cincinnati, Miami and Lanett, Ala., have outlawed pit bulls." But then we get welcome news about California:
"California cities cannot ban specific breeds of dogs, but a bill in the state Legislature would permit them to require certain breeds be spayed and neutered, making them less aggressive."
As California kills hundreds of thousand of dogs every year in shelters, most true animal advocates would be thrilled to see compulsory spay/neuter of all breeds as long as there are any dogs dying for lack of homes. Why not start with those breeds deemed dangerous, that tend to attract those who enjoy organizing dog fights for sport? I write that as the adoptive mother of a sweet little red-nose pitbull, who is, of course, spayed. But thousands of her relatives die every year in California shelters and countless others die in organized dog fights. A ban on breeding them would be wonderful. And it is no doubt the compromise needed that will prevent a misguided over-reaching law like that in Denver, which takes loving dogs out of loving homes.
The bill is SB 861, authored by Senator Jackie Speier, a democrat from the San Francisco/San Mateo area. It states, "Cities and counties may enact dog breed-specific ordinances pertaining only to mandatory spay or neuter programs and breeding requirements." You can read it on line at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0851-0900/sb_861_bill_20050705_amended_asm.html
The California Legislative Action Alert recommends that we "Tell the legislators that local government needs to have the ability to regulate the breeding of pit bulls, the unnamed subjects of this legislation, for the welfare of both the public and the dogs themselves. Too many misused and mistreated pit bulls flood the animal shelters."
Californians, you can write in favor to you assembly member and please also send a quick note of support to the bill's author, Senator Speier. You can email her at: Senator.Speier [at] sen.ca.gov It is likely the office will print out emails in support. A written letter is preferable (but only if it actually gets printed out and sent) and should be sent to:
Senator Jackie Speier
State Capitol, Room 2032
Sacramento, CA 95814
You can read the full Los Angeles Times article on line at http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20050802/ts_latimes/denversdoggedoutlaws
OR
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-pitbulls2aug02,1,5499635.story
OR try this Tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/amjb4
It presents a great opportunity for letters about California's companion animal overpopulation crisis and the need for extensive spay-neuter legislation. Legislators look to letters to the editor pages as barometers of public opinion, so your letters matter. The Los Angeles Times takes letters at: letters [at] latimes.com
Always include your full name, address, and daytime phone number when sending a letter to the editor. Shorter letters are more likely to be published.
(DawnWatch is an animal advocacy media watch that looks at animal issues in the media and facilitates one-click responses to the relevant media outlets. You can learn more about it, and sign up for alerts at http://www.DawnWatch.com. If you forward or reprint DawnWatch alerts, please do so unedited -- leave DawnWatch in the title and include this tag line.)
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Pit Bulls do need to be banned. They are killers. Folks who revere them are defending a breed that is built and bred to kill. They are dangerous and should be banned outright.
That some pet addicts are forced to put their 'relatives' up for 'adoption' is just too bad. Put them away, put them down. Get them away from cities where childen have been attacked, maimed and killed.
Folks ought to carry plenty of mace to defend against these predators. Folks who breed them should be fined.
Folks who love them should have their heads examined.
If you love animals, protect wild lands for wildlife.
If you have pet dogs, you are supporting the meat industry and the destruction of our environment to feed your canine friend.
Meat is murder. Pit Bulls are killers.
defend yourself and kick one in the teeth with steel toed boots.
That some pet addicts are forced to put their 'relatives' up for 'adoption' is just too bad. Put them away, put them down. Get them away from cities where childen have been attacked, maimed and killed.
Folks ought to carry plenty of mace to defend against these predators. Folks who breed them should be fined.
Folks who love them should have their heads examined.
If you love animals, protect wild lands for wildlife.
If you have pet dogs, you are supporting the meat industry and the destruction of our environment to feed your canine friend.
Meat is murder. Pit Bulls are killers.
defend yourself and kick one in the teeth with steel toed boots.
Pit bull bites woman in Golden Gate Park
Sunday, August 7, 2005
(08-07) 22:46 PDT San Francisco (AP) --
A leashed pit bull walking with its owner in Golden Gate Park lunged at a passing woman and bit her hand Sunday evening, police said.
The 65-year-old woman, whom police did not identify, was taken to UCSF Medical Center for treatment of a minor wound, according to officials.
The woman was walking with her husband when she was attacked near 9th Avenue and Lincoln Way.
The owner of the black and white pit bull was cited for a health code violation, police said.
Recent pit bull attacks in the Bay Area have triggered a debate about increasing controls on the breed. Nicholas Faibish, 12, was fatally mauled in June in his home by his family's two pit bulls.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/07/state/n224636D75.DTL&hw=65+year+old&sn=003&sc=590
(a TV report said the owner of the dog has sent it into hiding to avoid authorities, but authorities want to test it for rabies so that the 65 year-old woman won't have to be)
Sunday, August 7, 2005
(08-07) 22:46 PDT San Francisco (AP) --
A leashed pit bull walking with its owner in Golden Gate Park lunged at a passing woman and bit her hand Sunday evening, police said.
The 65-year-old woman, whom police did not identify, was taken to UCSF Medical Center for treatment of a minor wound, according to officials.
The woman was walking with her husband when she was attacked near 9th Avenue and Lincoln Way.
The owner of the black and white pit bull was cited for a health code violation, police said.
Recent pit bull attacks in the Bay Area have triggered a debate about increasing controls on the breed. Nicholas Faibish, 12, was fatally mauled in June in his home by his family's two pit bulls.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/07/state/n224636D75.DTL&hw=65+year+old&sn=003&sc=590
(a TV report said the owner of the dog has sent it into hiding to avoid authorities, but authorities want to test it for rabies so that the 65 year-old woman won't have to be)
What kind of people say "Meat is murder" and "kick one in the teeth with steel toed boots" in the same breath?
It's a short list. Think hard. it'll come to you.
It's a short list. Think hard. it'll come to you.
'what kind of person?'
Here's a few:
Vegetarians who believe in self defense.
Vegans who know that breeding killer dogs feeds the meat industry.
Parents who value the life of their children over someone's sick fetish for violent dogs.
Thinking people who won't let violent dogs intimidate them.
Militant animal lovers who aren't living in a state of denial about the negative impacts of the pet industry on our environment.
Meat is Murder! Pit Bills are killers!
Tell me how killing cows and polluting land and water to feed the meat industry is worth it to feed your dog.
Here's a few:
Vegetarians who believe in self defense.
Vegans who know that breeding killer dogs feeds the meat industry.
Parents who value the life of their children over someone's sick fetish for violent dogs.
Thinking people who won't let violent dogs intimidate them.
Militant animal lovers who aren't living in a state of denial about the negative impacts of the pet industry on our environment.
Meat is Murder! Pit Bills are killers!
Tell me how killing cows and polluting land and water to feed the meat industry is worth it to feed your dog.
<Tell me how killing cows and polluting land and water to feed the meat industry is worth it to feed your dog>
sounds like this is a complaint against the use of cows/animals period, be it pet food or human food. as I understand it most pet foods uses low grade bits and pieces of 'cow' left over after the choicer pieces are taken for human consumption. SO in that sense, the pet food industry is actually helpful in reducing waste in the meat industry.
Are there any records to show that the pet food industry has led to an increase in the number of 'cows' killed in the meat industry?
Killing people is 'murder'- "Meat is food"
sounds like this is a complaint against the use of cows/animals period, be it pet food or human food. as I understand it most pet foods uses low grade bits and pieces of 'cow' left over after the choicer pieces are taken for human consumption. SO in that sense, the pet food industry is actually helpful in reducing waste in the meat industry.
Are there any records to show that the pet food industry has led to an increase in the number of 'cows' killed in the meat industry?
Killing people is 'murder'- "Meat is food"
and makes a lovely research animal. just ask UCSF or the military
yet kicking one to defend oneself is heresy
you have a right to own and take into the public a dog bred to take down bulls and the public has no right to defend themselves?
yeah, that's fair
yet kicking one to defend oneself is heresy
you have a right to own and take into the public a dog bred to take down bulls and the public has no right to defend themselves?
yeah, that's fair
(1.) A dog is worth more than a cow.
(2.) There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's Nature's way. You think we should believe that you know better than Nature? Forget it. It ain't gonna happen.
(3.) All dogs are killers if the circumstances are right. A Pomeranian killed a kid a couple years ago. Even toy poodles are wolves in their hearts.
(4.) All carnivores are killers, omnivores, too. It's Nature's way.
(5.) There's nothing wrong with killing. It's Nature's way. See above.
(6.) All life subsists on corpses, even plants. That's how life works. Without death, there can be no life.
(7.) What you eat is your business. What other people eat is not. Mind your own business.
(8.) It is cruelty to deprive an animal of it's Natural diet. I'm an animal. I'm an omnivore. So are the dogs in my family. Do *not* try to deprive us of our Natural diet. We will resist. Billions of people feel exactly the same way.
(9.) There are at most a couple thousand of thousand people like you on the entire planet. There are billions of us. You lose. Resign gracefully, go mind your own business, and you wont get hurt.
(2.) There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's Nature's way. You think we should believe that you know better than Nature? Forget it. It ain't gonna happen.
(3.) All dogs are killers if the circumstances are right. A Pomeranian killed a kid a couple years ago. Even toy poodles are wolves in their hearts.
(4.) All carnivores are killers, omnivores, too. It's Nature's way.
(5.) There's nothing wrong with killing. It's Nature's way. See above.
(6.) All life subsists on corpses, even plants. That's how life works. Without death, there can be no life.
(7.) What you eat is your business. What other people eat is not. Mind your own business.
(8.) It is cruelty to deprive an animal of it's Natural diet. I'm an animal. I'm an omnivore. So are the dogs in my family. Do *not* try to deprive us of our Natural diet. We will resist. Billions of people feel exactly the same way.
(9.) There are at most a couple thousand of thousand people like you on the entire planet. There are billions of us. You lose. Resign gracefully, go mind your own business, and you wont get hurt.
True to the game crazies here.
1.) A dog is worth more than a cow.
actually, pound per pound a cow wins on that one!
actually, pound per pound a cow wins on that one!
then environmentalism is of no concern to me either. factory farms that produce you and your dog's meat are not environmentally sustainable and those who live directly near them suffer directly and the rest of us indirectly. but bacon tastes good, right, so to hell with the inefficient use of resources and pollution
nor is it my concern the tax-breaks, water discounts, etc. granted to large agribusiness to produce meat so that they can make greater profits. would you still eat meat if its true costs were reflected in the price you pay?
nor my higher insurance premiums due to all of the meat-related illnessed. is it fair that people in this country, tens of millions, have no health insurance largely because of the increased premiums dealing with the ill effects of our beef culture?
basically, you say just shut up and let you pollute the earth with your gluttonous diet and soak up the benefit of all of our society's little perks for your diet at my expense
morality and politics of the self (and the selfish). the "me" generation and republicanism as its most shining and glorious
nor is it my concern the tax-breaks, water discounts, etc. granted to large agribusiness to produce meat so that they can make greater profits. would you still eat meat if its true costs were reflected in the price you pay?
nor my higher insurance premiums due to all of the meat-related illnessed. is it fair that people in this country, tens of millions, have no health insurance largely because of the increased premiums dealing with the ill effects of our beef culture?
basically, you say just shut up and let you pollute the earth with your gluttonous diet and soak up the benefit of all of our society's little perks for your diet at my expense
morality and politics of the self (and the selfish). the "me" generation and republicanism as its most shining and glorious
<is it fair that people in this country, tens of millions, have no health insurance largely because of the increased premiums dealing with the ill effects of our beef culture? >
Can this be blamed entirely on the beef industry? What about the whole food service industry? beef/meat is not the only source of food poisening...some of the more nasty poisonings can come from bad veggies...or poor hygeine, in restaurants and at home...One of the more common sources of food poisoning is 'at home' where people 'mishandle' chicken. Not the chickens fault, the cook's fault...
Can this be blamed entirely on the beef industry? What about the whole food service industry? beef/meat is not the only source of food poisening...some of the more nasty poisonings can come from bad veggies...or poor hygeine, in restaurants and at home...One of the more common sources of food poisoning is 'at home' where people 'mishandle' chicken. Not the chickens fault, the cook's fault...
although food poisoning, too, comes from dairy and meat more than vegetables, unless those vegetables were handled around contaminated meat or meat-industry byproducts
for more on health, veggies, and meat, check
http://www.pcrm.org
for more on health, veggies, and meat, check
http://www.pcrm.org
heart disease, colon cancer, etc...these are more related how someone lives their life, than wether or not they eat beef...people need to take responsibility for themselves adn stop blaming others, such as teh food industry, for their problems . IF you eat too many hamburgers and fries, and other crap, and don't exercise, you'll have problems and its your own damn fault.
People have choices, and with that comes responsibility to eat reasonably well...and not to blame Mcdonalds for making you fat!
people should eat more salmon, and less red meat! (although no need to remove it completely!)
People have choices, and with that comes responsibility to eat reasonably well...and not to blame Mcdonalds for making you fat!
people should eat more salmon, and less red meat! (although no need to remove it completely!)
by that sentiment, industry is totally off the hook for the swill they serve the public, high-profit "foods" loaded with animal fats and processed ingredients
personal responsibility is the rallying cry of greed-head republicans who refuse to accept any responsibility for the crap they foist on the public. "let the market decide," they clamor
and not that people have zero responsibility, but when you have large foodco's spending billions a year on advertising to the public and lobbying politicians and regulating agencies, not to mention front groups like the CCF advocating on their behalf such as the last commenter did, the deck is kind of stacked in their favor and against the public interest
personal responsibility is the rallying cry of greed-head republicans who refuse to accept any responsibility for the crap they foist on the public. "let the market decide," they clamor
and not that people have zero responsibility, but when you have large foodco's spending billions a year on advertising to the public and lobbying politicians and regulating agencies, not to mention front groups like the CCF advocating on their behalf such as the last commenter did, the deck is kind of stacked in their favor and against the public interest
the reference for 'more on food and health' can be balanced with a look at this reference...
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23
while the beef industry may have its problems, to claim that eating beef , dairy, and other meat and animal products 'causes' poor health is lunacy. Its about balance...
How did we survive millions of years of evolution?
Nothing wrong with a veggie diet, nothing wrong with a meat eating diet, but either will require balance!
to say that -people who harm their health by eating too much animal fat/products , is the fault of the meat industry, is as rediculous as to say- a new veggie, young and uninformed, who gets into health trouble because they didn't eat the right things in balance, is the fault of vegetarianism!
its about eating smarter, being informed, and being responsible for yourself.
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23
while the beef industry may have its problems, to claim that eating beef , dairy, and other meat and animal products 'causes' poor health is lunacy. Its about balance...
How did we survive millions of years of evolution?
Nothing wrong with a veggie diet, nothing wrong with a meat eating diet, but either will require balance!
to say that -people who harm their health by eating too much animal fat/products , is the fault of the meat industry, is as rediculous as to say- a new veggie, young and uninformed, who gets into health trouble because they didn't eat the right things in balance, is the fault of vegetarianism!
its about eating smarter, being informed, and being responsible for yourself.
probably not eating meat three times a day as is common in American
besides, for those millions of years (if you consider pre-sapien species) did not have very long life spans. sure, you can live on the Atkins/caveman diet, but expect to start showing the ill effects of it in your 30s and early 40s
if people want to live longer, they do have to eat better, which includes rejecting the things that come out of factory farms, but to say the food industry that provides the vast majority of what people eat has no responsibility in the American diet, when they lobby heavily to effect laws that effect what is considered safe and healthy, is absurd
and by the way, attacking PCRM by calling them "wolves" or "fanatical" etc. in no way diminishes the truths they tell
besides, for those millions of years (if you consider pre-sapien species) did not have very long life spans. sure, you can live on the Atkins/caveman diet, but expect to start showing the ill effects of it in your 30s and early 40s
if people want to live longer, they do have to eat better, which includes rejecting the things that come out of factory farms, but to say the food industry that provides the vast majority of what people eat has no responsibility in the American diet, when they lobby heavily to effect laws that effect what is considered safe and healthy, is absurd
and by the way, attacking PCRM by calling them "wolves" or "fanatical" etc. in no way diminishes the truths they tell
start-up cash provided by Philip Morris, CCF poses as "consumer" group while it defends and promotes some of the most unhealthy yet profitable industries out there
Activist Cash claims to be taking on "anti-consumer activist groups" while it itself is one of THE MOST anti-consumer groups out there, constantly fighting against public health interests. they even are against MADD -- yes, those mothers who are upset over drunks killing their children. why? alcohol industry money helps fund CCF to protect its profits. MADD potentially gets in the way of those profits. besides it doesn't look good for alcohol companies to take on MADD, so they have the CCF, their little front group do the dirty work
pro-business, anti-consumer, Activist Cash and CCF. and now they have unpaid (I assume) volunteers doing their dirty work right here on Indybay.
Activist Cash claims to be taking on "anti-consumer activist groups" while it itself is one of THE MOST anti-consumer groups out there, constantly fighting against public health interests. they even are against MADD -- yes, those mothers who are upset over drunks killing their children. why? alcohol industry money helps fund CCF to protect its profits. MADD potentially gets in the way of those profits. besides it doesn't look good for alcohol companies to take on MADD, so they have the CCF, their little front group do the dirty work
pro-business, anti-consumer, Activist Cash and CCF. and now they have unpaid (I assume) volunteers doing their dirty work right here on Indybay.
this is how the CCF operates, a perfect example
this radio ad (don't know if it ever really played anywhere) demeans scientific studies about health without any real refutation of what recent studies might actually show, and they play it off like it's a rallying cry for personal freedom rather than a ruse to encourage consumption of their products
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/advertisements_detail.cfm/ad/25
not only pro-business but anti-science as well
keep the people misinformed to pump up profits
yes, true friends of the consumer
this radio ad (don't know if it ever really played anywhere) demeans scientific studies about health without any real refutation of what recent studies might actually show, and they play it off like it's a rallying cry for personal freedom rather than a ruse to encourage consumption of their products
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/advertisements_detail.cfm/ad/25
not only pro-business but anti-science as well
keep the people misinformed to pump up profits
yes, true friends of the consumer
What a joke! You call yourself an animal lover? Pit Bulls are the best dogs in the world--bar none.
Just because people are irresponsible does not mean you should ban a breed. The people who are irresponsible should be held accountable for the actions of their pets just as adults are held responsible for the actions of their children.
I always knew the "animal rights" people were nuts, this is just icing on the cake. You are just like the nutty gun control people who want to keep responsible gun owners from owning weapons, all the while protecting the losers who are committing the crimes.
Have a look at this website that seeks to combat the negative image of Pit Bulls perpetuated by the mainstream media:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/
Just because people are irresponsible does not mean you should ban a breed. The people who are irresponsible should be held accountable for the actions of their pets just as adults are held responsible for the actions of their children.
I always knew the "animal rights" people were nuts, this is just icing on the cake. You are just like the nutty gun control people who want to keep responsible gun owners from owning weapons, all the while protecting the losers who are committing the crimes.
Have a look at this website that seeks to combat the negative image of Pit Bulls perpetuated by the mainstream media:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/
FACTS, AD HOMINEMS, and HYPOCRISY
after having interacted with every last dog breed in existence for extended periods of time, that pitbulls are THE BEST dogs in the world is an undeniable certainty and anyone who contradicts this FACT is a nutjob
of course, ad hominem attacks are a distraction and the author of the above post will scold YOU if you ever do such a thing, but it is him and not you so shut it
after having interacted with every last dog breed in existence for extended periods of time, that pitbulls are THE BEST dogs in the world is an undeniable certainty and anyone who contradicts this FACT is a nutjob
of course, ad hominem attacks are a distraction and the author of the above post will scold YOU if you ever do such a thing, but it is him and not you so shut it
<...probably not eating meat three times a day as is common in American >
to claim that eating meat and dairy etc, CAUSES poor health and short life is ludicrous. But, if you don't eat right, with or without meat, you will have trouble...
I see people walking into fast food joints alot, who are hugely overweight and sickly looking. But is that the fault of eating meat? or of eating crap (and too much of it). Is it their own fault?( or some aspect of their own life events-psychology-personal trauma-..) or the 'industry's fault'...not like its tobacco folks!
its about balance and common sense. But its patently ludicrous or disingenuous to blame meat , or cow milk...thats just AR 'hogwash'.
to claim that eating meat and dairy etc, CAUSES poor health and short life is ludicrous. But, if you don't eat right, with or without meat, you will have trouble...
I see people walking into fast food joints alot, who are hugely overweight and sickly looking. But is that the fault of eating meat? or of eating crap (and too much of it). Is it their own fault?( or some aspect of their own life events-psychology-personal trauma-..) or the 'industry's fault'...not like its tobacco folks!
its about balance and common sense. But its patently ludicrous or disingenuous to blame meat , or cow milk...thats just AR 'hogwash'.
it's all your individual fault and the companies that bribe the politicians to not protect your health, eh, there's just expressing their "feedom" to make the most profit they can
factory farmed meat and dairy is some of the most healthy ever eaten by humans
antibiotics and steroids in our food supply will only make us stronger
the pollution caused and resources wasted surely make it a win-win for all involved
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the meat american agribusiness is serving america today. in fact, if you check the CCF website, obesity is not an issue and basically you should drink, smoke, and eat whatever you want. it's your "feedom" to do so, and it's largely what CCF's sponsors are offering american consumers
factory farmed meat and dairy is some of the most healthy ever eaten by humans
antibiotics and steroids in our food supply will only make us stronger
the pollution caused and resources wasted surely make it a win-win for all involved
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the meat american agribusiness is serving america today. in fact, if you check the CCF website, obesity is not an issue and basically you should drink, smoke, and eat whatever you want. it's your "feedom" to do so, and it's largely what CCF's sponsors are offering american consumers
does anyone have any actual facts and figures as to how many dog attacks on humans or other dogs are due to what breed? Is the hype based on over reporting of attacks by certain breeds? Is it because there are too many morons out there who like tough dogs and who don't train them properly?
Personally I think that any dog can be dangerous, and you should have a licence (and training) in order to own a dog.
An untrained dog is potentially like having a loaded gun lying around.
For myself, if a dog seriously hurt my child, I would demand that dog be put down adn the owner be charged with assault or criminal negligence or some such!
Personally I think that any dog can be dangerous, and you should have a licence (and training) in order to own a dog.
An untrained dog is potentially like having a loaded gun lying around.
For myself, if a dog seriously hurt my child, I would demand that dog be put down adn the owner be charged with assault or criminal negligence or some such!
1) emotional appeals using cute photos of pit bulls offer nothing to alleviate the problem of attacks. yes, not all pits are a threat to children and others, but they are an especially dangerous breed. do pro-pit people have any solutions to offer or are the attacks acceptable to you?
2) someone please point to the clause in the US Constitution that forbids banning of certain species or stop repeating that it does. sorry, but not everything you like is "protected" in the Constitution.
3) "Not because they eat meat, but because they ate crap all their lives. too much fat ... not enough veggies". that is the very definition of meat and dairy being a major factor in their health issues. yes, smoking is a serious issue, but so is diet obviously. smoking is not making so many people obese. are you aware that the amount of cheese people eat in general has tripled in the last 50 years?
4) "Are these meats 'bad' for you too?" They are better for you than the steroid/antibiotic stuff factory farms are cranking out, they are a more environmentally sound source of meat for the small percentage of people who hunt, and at least the animals are not caged in living hells their entire lives before slaughter. The only issue is that if people were to try this on a massive scale across all of society, that is replace the current massive amounts of meat they eat from factory farms with wild animals, there would not be many wild animals left for too long. Meat eating is not sustainable on its current scale with factory farms (bad for people, environment, and animals), nor is it sustainable in the old world hunting methods considering current human populations, and the only solution is for people to dramatically cut down on the amounts they eat so that non-intensive (i.e. factory farm) methods could provide enough. What exactly that amount is, I am not sure, but it's probably like one meal once a week. Some, though, will choose to eat none rather than dither on resolving the "proper amount" thereby continueing in the meantime to contribute to their own ill health, the ruin of our environment, and the suffering of factory farmed animals right now.
2) someone please point to the clause in the US Constitution that forbids banning of certain species or stop repeating that it does. sorry, but not everything you like is "protected" in the Constitution.
3) "Not because they eat meat, but because they ate crap all their lives. too much fat ... not enough veggies". that is the very definition of meat and dairy being a major factor in their health issues. yes, smoking is a serious issue, but so is diet obviously. smoking is not making so many people obese. are you aware that the amount of cheese people eat in general has tripled in the last 50 years?
4) "Are these meats 'bad' for you too?" They are better for you than the steroid/antibiotic stuff factory farms are cranking out, they are a more environmentally sound source of meat for the small percentage of people who hunt, and at least the animals are not caged in living hells their entire lives before slaughter. The only issue is that if people were to try this on a massive scale across all of society, that is replace the current massive amounts of meat they eat from factory farms with wild animals, there would not be many wild animals left for too long. Meat eating is not sustainable on its current scale with factory farms (bad for people, environment, and animals), nor is it sustainable in the old world hunting methods considering current human populations, and the only solution is for people to dramatically cut down on the amounts they eat so that non-intensive (i.e. factory farm) methods could provide enough. What exactly that amount is, I am not sure, but it's probably like one meal once a week. Some, though, will choose to eat none rather than dither on resolving the "proper amount" thereby continueing in the meantime to contribute to their own ill health, the ruin of our environment, and the suffering of factory farmed animals right now.
An "emotional appeal," is precisely what you are doing. The only difference is you appeal to peoples fears.
talking about where specifically the Constitution forbids banning species is emotional? confronting that unfounded yet oft-repeated claim is emotional?
addressing a previous commenter regarding "too many" people needing heart surgery in Canada and the reasons why is emotional? mentioning the fact that meat and dairy consumption has increased across the board in the last 50 years is emotional? mentioning that diet is associated with the current rise in obesity is emotional?
discussing the ill effects of our modern meat-producing system is emotional? comparing and contrasting hunting versus factory farms is emotional?
huh
yeah, all of that is on the same level as emotionally anthropomorphizing a dog in a photo to say things like, "I haven't done anything wrong. don't hate me." and you expect people to take you seriously?
addressing a previous commenter regarding "too many" people needing heart surgery in Canada and the reasons why is emotional? mentioning the fact that meat and dairy consumption has increased across the board in the last 50 years is emotional? mentioning that diet is associated with the current rise in obesity is emotional?
discussing the ill effects of our modern meat-producing system is emotional? comparing and contrasting hunting versus factory farms is emotional?
huh
yeah, all of that is on the same level as emotionally anthropomorphizing a dog in a photo to say things like, "I haven't done anything wrong. don't hate me." and you expect people to take you seriously?
"Huh?"
I bet you spend a lot of you time asking yourself that question.
Huh?
What?
Huh?
LMFAO...
Anyway loser, you are a FEAR MONGER!
Don't know how to make it any more clear than that. ;-)
I bet you spend a lot of you time asking yourself that question.
Huh?
What?
Huh?
LMFAO...
Anyway loser, you are a FEAR MONGER!
Don't know how to make it any more clear than that. ;-)
and fail to back up your shit with one iota of thought
the "huh" was at your bizarre thought process in not being able to distinguish between emotional appeals and actual fact-based debate
now we can see at least one example of what type of person is out there defending pitbulls, aggressive and non-thinking
too bad you do a disservice to your cause
the "huh" was at your bizarre thought process in not being able to distinguish between emotional appeals and actual fact-based debate
now we can see at least one example of what type of person is out there defending pitbulls, aggressive and non-thinking
too bad you do a disservice to your cause
"Oakland Resident " wrote:
"What a joke! You call yourself an animal lover? Pit Bulls are the best dogs in the world--bar none.
.... and:
"..I always knew the "animal rights" people were nuts, this is just icing on the cake. You are just like the nutty gun control people who want to keep responsible gun owners from owning weapons, all the while protecting the losers who are committing the crimes."
Thank you.
This is exactly the point!
Many, if not most, Pit Bull fetishists own and breed them for self-defense. They are violent attack dogs! The same mentality that defends gun ownership for self defense defends owning killer dogs!
Pit Bulls are in no way cute; they are grotesque!
I will defend myself and pre-emptively attack one if it looks at me. I reserve my right to self defense with a swift kick to a sicko dog's head.
And I am glad to have sparked a discussion on the link between pet ownership and meat consumption, pollution and environmental destruction.
True animal lovers don't eat meat, don't buy meat products to feed their attack dogs.
"What a joke! You call yourself an animal lover? Pit Bulls are the best dogs in the world--bar none.
.... and:
"..I always knew the "animal rights" people were nuts, this is just icing on the cake. You are just like the nutty gun control people who want to keep responsible gun owners from owning weapons, all the while protecting the losers who are committing the crimes."
Thank you.
This is exactly the point!
Many, if not most, Pit Bull fetishists own and breed them for self-defense. They are violent attack dogs! The same mentality that defends gun ownership for self defense defends owning killer dogs!
Pit Bulls are in no way cute; they are grotesque!
I will defend myself and pre-emptively attack one if it looks at me. I reserve my right to self defense with a swift kick to a sicko dog's head.
And I am glad to have sparked a discussion on the link between pet ownership and meat consumption, pollution and environmental destruction.
True animal lovers don't eat meat, don't buy meat products to feed their attack dogs.
"I will defend myself and pre-emptively attack one if it looks at me."
Yeah right. "Tuff guy" animal rights kooks like you are always wimps. Too many veggies, not enough protein in your diet or something...And if my pit so much as breathed on you, you'd clam up like the little punk that you are. Please, come to my neighborhood with your anti-pit prejudice Mr Tuffy. You won't last a minute...
Yeah right. "Tuff guy" animal rights kooks like you are always wimps. Too many veggies, not enough protein in your diet or something...And if my pit so much as breathed on you, you'd clam up like the little punk that you are. Please, come to my neighborhood with your anti-pit prejudice Mr Tuffy. You won't last a minute...
if your dog is so scary, then how can it also be so cute and cuddly and non-threatening?
you just contradicted yourself and everyone who claims that the public has absolutely nothing to fear from these dogs. seems likely that part of your decision to have this breed was so that you could use it to make threats just like the one you just did
true colors will always shine through in time
you people really do a horrible job of making your case
you just contradicted yourself and everyone who claims that the public has absolutely nothing to fear from these dogs. seems likely that part of your decision to have this breed was so that you could use it to make threats just like the one you just did
true colors will always shine through in time
you people really do a horrible job of making your case
Focus please. This thread is about dog legislation.
Look tough guy, you're the one who wrote:
"I will defend myself and pre-emptively attack one if it looks at me."
When you claim that you will "pre-emptively attack" anything or anyone, you're the one who comes off like a loon, not me. If you're going to make empty threats in cyberspace you are going to get called out for the punk that you are.
"true colors will always shine through in time"
They sure will. And you've proved to the world at large that you are a nutcase.
"I will defend myself and pre-emptively attack one if it looks at me."
When you claim that you will "pre-emptively attack" anything or anyone, you're the one who comes off like a loon, not me. If you're going to make empty threats in cyberspace you are going to get called out for the punk that you are.
"true colors will always shine through in time"
They sure will. And you've proved to the world at large that you are a nutcase.
from the actual post above:
>As California kills hundreds of thousand of dogs every year in shelters, most true animal advocates would be thrilled to see compulsory spay/neuter of all breeds as long as there are any dogs dying for lack of homes. Why not start with those breeds deemed dangerous, that tend to attract those who enjoy organizing dog fights for sport? I write that as the adoptive mother of a sweet little red-nose pitbull, who is, of course, spayed. But thousands of her relatives die every year in California shelters and countless others die in organized dog fights. A ban on breeding them would be wonderful. And it is no doubt the compromise needed that will prevent a misguided over-reaching law like that in Denver, which takes loving dogs out of loving homes.
The bill is SB 861, authored by Senator Jackie Speier, a democrat from the San Francisco/San Mateo area. It states, "Cities and counties may enact dog breed-specific ordinances pertaining only to mandatory spay or neuter programs and breeding requirements." You can read it on line at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0851-0900/sb_861_bill_20050705_amended_asm.html
>The California Legislative Action Alert recommends that we "Tell the legislators that local government needs to have the ability to regulate the breeding of pit bulls, the unnamed subjects of this legislation, for the welfare of both the public and the dogs themselves. Too many misused and mistreated pit bulls flood the animal shelters."
does this plan work for you all as a compromise solution? it's not a total ban anti-pit people often want like in Denver, but then it's not ignoring the problem of pit attacks either as some pro-pit people seem to suggest.
of course, it will be up to localities to decide what and how to implement
>As California kills hundreds of thousand of dogs every year in shelters, most true animal advocates would be thrilled to see compulsory spay/neuter of all breeds as long as there are any dogs dying for lack of homes. Why not start with those breeds deemed dangerous, that tend to attract those who enjoy organizing dog fights for sport? I write that as the adoptive mother of a sweet little red-nose pitbull, who is, of course, spayed. But thousands of her relatives die every year in California shelters and countless others die in organized dog fights. A ban on breeding them would be wonderful. And it is no doubt the compromise needed that will prevent a misguided over-reaching law like that in Denver, which takes loving dogs out of loving homes.
The bill is SB 861, authored by Senator Jackie Speier, a democrat from the San Francisco/San Mateo area. It states, "Cities and counties may enact dog breed-specific ordinances pertaining only to mandatory spay or neuter programs and breeding requirements." You can read it on line at: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0851-0900/sb_861_bill_20050705_amended_asm.html
>The California Legislative Action Alert recommends that we "Tell the legislators that local government needs to have the ability to regulate the breeding of pit bulls, the unnamed subjects of this legislation, for the welfare of both the public and the dogs themselves. Too many misused and mistreated pit bulls flood the animal shelters."
does this plan work for you all as a compromise solution? it's not a total ban anti-pit people often want like in Denver, but then it's not ignoring the problem of pit attacks either as some pro-pit people seem to suggest.
of course, it will be up to localities to decide what and how to implement
The Real Pit Bull: Promoting a Positive Image
MYTHS
"Pit Bulls have locking jaws."
There is nothing about a Pit Bull's jaws that would greatly distinguish them from the jaws of any other breed. The breed's jaws can't lock any more than a Poodle's can. Pit Bulls do have a lot of jaw-strength, however. The wide jaws allow them to hold onto an object, even dangling mid-air. This is a trait that comes from the bulldog ancestors of the breed. Jaw strength was needed in order for a dog to be proficient at bullbaiting, in which the dog would grab the bull by the nose and hang on until the enraged animal was subdued.
Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."
"Pit Bulls can hold on with their front teeth while chewing with their back teeth."
Another physical impossibility. Pit Bull jaws are constructed in the same way any other breed's jaws are.
"All Pit Bulls are vicious", or "Pit Bulls are born mean".
No one breed as a whole is bad, the same as no one race of humans is bad. Much has to do with the individual, it's genes, upbringing, and training. In the case of Pit Bulls, a breed that was created to be especially gentle with people, all of the human aggressive dogs are victims of one or more of the following: poor breeding, bad training, or irresponsible upbringing. There are thousands upon thousands of Pit Bulls that are loving, loyal, safe pets, who will live and die without ever having bitten a human. They are the proof that this "born bad" idea is fiction, pure and simple.
"Pit Bulls have more jaw strength per square inch (psi) than any other breed."
This is pure speculation, as there is no reliable way to test psi jaw pressure. In testing, many variables come into play (what is driving the dog to bite, how motivated is the dog, etc ), and it also has a lot to do with the individual dog, itself. The results vary greatly.
"Dogs that are aggressive towards other animals are automatically aggressive towards people."
Human aggression in dogs is entirely different than aggression directed at other animals. Aggression towards animals is a natural trait of the breed (as it is in many terrier breeds, among others). Historically, humans were always in the pit, handling fighting dogs closely, while the animals were in full fight drive. A dog that was a danger to people and prone to biting was not feasible, and therefore carefully selected against.
"Pit Bulls attack more people than any other breed."
(Also, please see Breed ID) Bite statistics actually show otherwise. More popular breeds that are generally considered to be "nice dogs" top the majority of lists. It may seem to the general public who is constantly bombarded with disturbing reports on Pit Bull attacks that this is the only breed that harms humans with any great regularity. However, the fact remains that Pit Bulls are hot news items. Dogs of all breeds and mixes bite and attack people all the time, but it is mainly the Pit Bull bites that get sensationalized. A report about the local Golden Retriever that attacks and maims a child isn't considered newsworthy. No one wants to believe that any dogs--even the fuzzy, cute, popular ones--are capable of biting. It's much easier to blow up and sensationalize a story about a vicious dog when it's a member of a breed who's reputation preceeds it. Pit Bulls are already considered the demons. All the reporters have to do is stand in front of the camera, look horrified, and say, "A Pit Bull did it".
"The only people that own Pit Bulls are criminals, and the only thing the breed is good for is dog fighting."
The majority of Pit Bulls are owned by normal dog-loving folk. Pit Bulls are kept as companions; they're used as working dogs involved in search and rescue, therapy, and police service; they compete in obedience, conformation, agility, tracking, and schutzhund; the list goes on and on. The breed is very versitile, due to the fact that the traits that make a good fighting dog also make for a good [insert your activity here] dog. Plus, although pit fighting was the main activity the breed was originally created for and involved in, there were also many other functions the breed was used for during it's developement. This breed is truly a jack-of-all-trades.
"Red or blue nose dogs are: a special type of Pit Bull / rare / worth more than black nose dogs":
The answer to all of the above is: FALSE!!! Let's talk color in Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls are traditionally a performance breed. That means that they were originally bred based on how well they performed a certain task, not what they looked like. Color was probably the least important thing that oldtime breeders of Pit Bulls considered. Today, Pit Bulls remain largely a working/performance dog, and so the old way of doing things as far as looks are concerned largely still holds fast. True, many Pit Bulls today are also bred with the show ring in mind, however color is of almost zero importance even in that venue. No one who really knows Pit Bulls is all that impressed by color. A flashy color does not a good dog make, and although many people have favorite colors, breed-saavy people know that it's what's under the coat that counts.
Pit Bulls come in almost every color that is genetically possible in dogs. Some colors are more common (brindle or fawn for instance); some colors you don't see as often (such as spotted or black and tan). One thing is for certain, however: blue and red nosed dogs do NOT fall into the "rare" category--there are many of both colors out there, especially (at least in my area) the red nosed dogs.
There is, unfortunately, a faction of breeders (all unscrupulous), that are attempting to cash in on the current fad of blue and red nosed dogs. These people produce poor quality animals with no thought to health and temperament, their biggest selling point being coat color. Breeders of this type many times charge jacked up prices for their puppies, justfying the high price tag by claiming their dogs are of a "rare" or "special" color. The unsuspecting buyer is duped into believing their animal is extraordinary simply because he happens to have an "odd" colored nose. Breeders of this ilk are especially dubious because not only are they producing bad stock, but they lure their customers in by making false claims. Do not be fooled by this type!
There are, of course, very ethical breeders that produce blue and red nosed dogs. There are many fine, healthy, stable examples of these color varieties out there. These are dogs bred by people who care about the breed, are knowledgeable about what they are doing, and breed for MUCH more than just a snazzy color. There is nothing wrong with liking one color above another, but one should be an educated consumer. Realize that you aren't just buying a pretty face, but a living, breathing creature that is going to make real demands and require money to care for, time, and patience.
Some people have the mistaken belief that blue or red nosed dogs are a special "type" of Pit Bull. When speaking of such dogs, these sorts are apt to make statements such as, "I have a blue Pit", or "My dog is the red nosed kind". Let's replace "brindle" with "red-nosed": "My dog is the brindle kind." Sort of silly, no? Brindle is just a color a Pit Bull may be, not a "kind" of Pit Bull. Well, ditto red and blue. There is a specific line of Pit Bull known for its red noses; this is the Old Family Red Nose strain. But this was a tight-knit family of dogs bred closely because of their superior ability in the pit. The genetic closeness of the dogs made it easy to pass on certain traits--it just so happens that the traits of the Old Family dogs included not only gameness, but the genes for red noses as well.
MYTHS
"Pit Bulls have locking jaws."
There is nothing about a Pit Bull's jaws that would greatly distinguish them from the jaws of any other breed. The breed's jaws can't lock any more than a Poodle's can. Pit Bulls do have a lot of jaw-strength, however. The wide jaws allow them to hold onto an object, even dangling mid-air. This is a trait that comes from the bulldog ancestors of the breed. Jaw strength was needed in order for a dog to be proficient at bullbaiting, in which the dog would grab the bull by the nose and hang on until the enraged animal was subdued.
Dr. I. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."
"Pit Bulls can hold on with their front teeth while chewing with their back teeth."
Another physical impossibility. Pit Bull jaws are constructed in the same way any other breed's jaws are.
"All Pit Bulls are vicious", or "Pit Bulls are born mean".
No one breed as a whole is bad, the same as no one race of humans is bad. Much has to do with the individual, it's genes, upbringing, and training. In the case of Pit Bulls, a breed that was created to be especially gentle with people, all of the human aggressive dogs are victims of one or more of the following: poor breeding, bad training, or irresponsible upbringing. There are thousands upon thousands of Pit Bulls that are loving, loyal, safe pets, who will live and die without ever having bitten a human. They are the proof that this "born bad" idea is fiction, pure and simple.
"Pit Bulls have more jaw strength per square inch (psi) than any other breed."
This is pure speculation, as there is no reliable way to test psi jaw pressure. In testing, many variables come into play (what is driving the dog to bite, how motivated is the dog, etc ), and it also has a lot to do with the individual dog, itself. The results vary greatly.
"Dogs that are aggressive towards other animals are automatically aggressive towards people."
Human aggression in dogs is entirely different than aggression directed at other animals. Aggression towards animals is a natural trait of the breed (as it is in many terrier breeds, among others). Historically, humans were always in the pit, handling fighting dogs closely, while the animals were in full fight drive. A dog that was a danger to people and prone to biting was not feasible, and therefore carefully selected against.
"Pit Bulls attack more people than any other breed."
(Also, please see Breed ID) Bite statistics actually show otherwise. More popular breeds that are generally considered to be "nice dogs" top the majority of lists. It may seem to the general public who is constantly bombarded with disturbing reports on Pit Bull attacks that this is the only breed that harms humans with any great regularity. However, the fact remains that Pit Bulls are hot news items. Dogs of all breeds and mixes bite and attack people all the time, but it is mainly the Pit Bull bites that get sensationalized. A report about the local Golden Retriever that attacks and maims a child isn't considered newsworthy. No one wants to believe that any dogs--even the fuzzy, cute, popular ones--are capable of biting. It's much easier to blow up and sensationalize a story about a vicious dog when it's a member of a breed who's reputation preceeds it. Pit Bulls are already considered the demons. All the reporters have to do is stand in front of the camera, look horrified, and say, "A Pit Bull did it".
"The only people that own Pit Bulls are criminals, and the only thing the breed is good for is dog fighting."
The majority of Pit Bulls are owned by normal dog-loving folk. Pit Bulls are kept as companions; they're used as working dogs involved in search and rescue, therapy, and police service; they compete in obedience, conformation, agility, tracking, and schutzhund; the list goes on and on. The breed is very versitile, due to the fact that the traits that make a good fighting dog also make for a good [insert your activity here] dog. Plus, although pit fighting was the main activity the breed was originally created for and involved in, there were also many other functions the breed was used for during it's developement. This breed is truly a jack-of-all-trades.
"Red or blue nose dogs are: a special type of Pit Bull / rare / worth more than black nose dogs":
The answer to all of the above is: FALSE!!! Let's talk color in Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls are traditionally a performance breed. That means that they were originally bred based on how well they performed a certain task, not what they looked like. Color was probably the least important thing that oldtime breeders of Pit Bulls considered. Today, Pit Bulls remain largely a working/performance dog, and so the old way of doing things as far as looks are concerned largely still holds fast. True, many Pit Bulls today are also bred with the show ring in mind, however color is of almost zero importance even in that venue. No one who really knows Pit Bulls is all that impressed by color. A flashy color does not a good dog make, and although many people have favorite colors, breed-saavy people know that it's what's under the coat that counts.
Pit Bulls come in almost every color that is genetically possible in dogs. Some colors are more common (brindle or fawn for instance); some colors you don't see as often (such as spotted or black and tan). One thing is for certain, however: blue and red nosed dogs do NOT fall into the "rare" category--there are many of both colors out there, especially (at least in my area) the red nosed dogs.
There is, unfortunately, a faction of breeders (all unscrupulous), that are attempting to cash in on the current fad of blue and red nosed dogs. These people produce poor quality animals with no thought to health and temperament, their biggest selling point being coat color. Breeders of this type many times charge jacked up prices for their puppies, justfying the high price tag by claiming their dogs are of a "rare" or "special" color. The unsuspecting buyer is duped into believing their animal is extraordinary simply because he happens to have an "odd" colored nose. Breeders of this ilk are especially dubious because not only are they producing bad stock, but they lure their customers in by making false claims. Do not be fooled by this type!
There are, of course, very ethical breeders that produce blue and red nosed dogs. There are many fine, healthy, stable examples of these color varieties out there. These are dogs bred by people who care about the breed, are knowledgeable about what they are doing, and breed for MUCH more than just a snazzy color. There is nothing wrong with liking one color above another, but one should be an educated consumer. Realize that you aren't just buying a pretty face, but a living, breathing creature that is going to make real demands and require money to care for, time, and patience.
Some people have the mistaken belief that blue or red nosed dogs are a special "type" of Pit Bull. When speaking of such dogs, these sorts are apt to make statements such as, "I have a blue Pit", or "My dog is the red nosed kind". Let's replace "brindle" with "red-nosed": "My dog is the brindle kind." Sort of silly, no? Brindle is just a color a Pit Bull may be, not a "kind" of Pit Bull. Well, ditto red and blue. There is a specific line of Pit Bull known for its red noses; this is the Old Family Red Nose strain. But this was a tight-knit family of dogs bred closely because of their superior ability in the pit. The genetic closeness of the dogs made it easy to pass on certain traits--it just so happens that the traits of the Old Family dogs included not only gameness, but the genes for red noses as well.
For more information:
http://www.realpitbull.com/
If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards people--family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal companion for households with children, while remaining strong and vigilent enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats. Although never aggressive towards people without real need, the Pit Bull is dog-aggressive, to varying degrees. The properly socialized and trained Pit Bull should not be an instigater, yet neither should he shy away from a challenge. The breed is known for its high prey drive, and so due caution should be exercised when cats, rabbits, domestic fowl, and other such animals are present. Aggression towards other animals should not be viewed as a fault, although excessive, uncontrollable aggression is neither desired nor correct. Aggression towards humans should be viewed as a serious fault.
As our "ideal temperament manual" states above, the Pit Bull is generally a very friendly, stable, safe breed. Although in recent years some individuals have misused the breed and the media have misrepresented it, aggression towards humans never was and still isn't what the Pit Bull is about. Human-aggression is a serious matter, and not something that should be taken lightly. Human aggressive dogs (i.e. dogs that bite/attempt to bite humans) are an aberration. Growling (i.e. over toys, food, when moved off the sofa, bed, etc.) should be considered a warning, and possibly a precursor to biting behavior. It is imperative that owners seek professional help if their dog is exhibiting any of these behaviors.
Because the Pit Bull is generally such a people-friendly breed, they often make poor guards of property. Many specimens of the breed will allow strangers to enter the home or yard without a fuss, whether the owner is present or not. As a guardian of his human, however, the Pit Bull is quite willing and able to intercept an attack. The breed is credited with having exceptional judgement and will react only to real threats. Because of the Pit Bull's generally poor guarding instincts and natural inclination to protect his owner if need be, it is best to stay away from any sort of guard or protection dog training. A good dog can be ruined quite easily, making for a wary, untrusting animal that may become a danger to humans. Do not try to make the Pit Bull into something he is not. If a serious guard or attack dog is what you desire, it is best to look to one of the breeds that have been specifically created for that type of work.
This breed is known to keep its owners laughing. They are silly, almost to the point of being rediculous. Flailing around upside down on their backs, laying with their heads draped off the side of the couch, engaging in rambunctious sprints around the living room (known to Pit Bull folk as "pit fits"), these dogs are always clowning around. They are active and energetic, and too much dog for some to handle, just the right amount for others.
Pit Bulls are generally quite aggressive towards other animals, although the degree of aggression will vary from dog to dog. Pit Bulls are naturally animal aggressive and it is therefore necessary for the Pit Bull owner to take certain precautions in the housing, training, and socialization of the animal. Pit Bulls also have a very strong prey drive. Small animals such as birds, squirrels and cats are often viewed as "hunting" targets. The young Pit Bull should be socialized from early on with many types of animals and other dogs. Basic early obedience training is a must. However, you cannot socialize or train away genetics. Since most Pit Bulls are pre-disposed to animal aggression, socialization and training are simply tools of management. A dog that has been raised properly will be easier to handle and control than a dog that has not been socialized or taught how to behave.
Animal aggression as it relates to the Pit Bull is a tricky thing. Even dogs that have never manifested the trait may, at some point, fire up and engage in a fight with another dog or suddenly begin to take a strong interest in small animals. Also, many specimens of the breed will never start a fight, yet will not back down if challenged.
Because Pit Bulls have a desire or even a compulsive instinct to fight, they are not necessarily looking to show dominance or obtain rank by aggressing. Even fairly submissive individuals cannot be trusted to remain out of trouble at all times. Allowing a Pit Bull to "work out rank" with other dogs is dangerous and may very well result in injuries. Although neutering can definately help in some cases (particularly with young males), do not count on the operation eliminating the aggression completely. Both sexes can be animal aggressive, although males can be more "firey". Same-sex aggression is a problem, and many a bitch-owner has stated that female fights are far worse than male-on-male bouts. Regardless of the sexes involved, it is generally felt that same-sex households are not a good idea, particularly for the novice owner.
Pit Bulls are slow to mature. A dog may not show his true temperament until he is 2 or 3 or even 4 years old. Just because your puppy has reached a year of age without having shown animal aggression does not mean he will never manifest the trait.
Pit Bulls can and do interact peacefully with other dogs and animals. Individual dog temperament, early training and socializing, all play an important role in whether or not a Pit Bull is capable of getting along with other animals. Many people successfully keep multiple Pit Bulls and other pets in the same household. Success is based on careful supervision, proper management and training, and the individual animals involved.
Please see the Aggression & Training pages for more info on breed temperament, handling and training.
As our "ideal temperament manual" states above, the Pit Bull is generally a very friendly, stable, safe breed. Although in recent years some individuals have misused the breed and the media have misrepresented it, aggression towards humans never was and still isn't what the Pit Bull is about. Human-aggression is a serious matter, and not something that should be taken lightly. Human aggressive dogs (i.e. dogs that bite/attempt to bite humans) are an aberration. Growling (i.e. over toys, food, when moved off the sofa, bed, etc.) should be considered a warning, and possibly a precursor to biting behavior. It is imperative that owners seek professional help if their dog is exhibiting any of these behaviors.
Because the Pit Bull is generally such a people-friendly breed, they often make poor guards of property. Many specimens of the breed will allow strangers to enter the home or yard without a fuss, whether the owner is present or not. As a guardian of his human, however, the Pit Bull is quite willing and able to intercept an attack. The breed is credited with having exceptional judgement and will react only to real threats. Because of the Pit Bull's generally poor guarding instincts and natural inclination to protect his owner if need be, it is best to stay away from any sort of guard or protection dog training. A good dog can be ruined quite easily, making for a wary, untrusting animal that may become a danger to humans. Do not try to make the Pit Bull into something he is not. If a serious guard or attack dog is what you desire, it is best to look to one of the breeds that have been specifically created for that type of work.
This breed is known to keep its owners laughing. They are silly, almost to the point of being rediculous. Flailing around upside down on their backs, laying with their heads draped off the side of the couch, engaging in rambunctious sprints around the living room (known to Pit Bull folk as "pit fits"), these dogs are always clowning around. They are active and energetic, and too much dog for some to handle, just the right amount for others.
Pit Bulls are generally quite aggressive towards other animals, although the degree of aggression will vary from dog to dog. Pit Bulls are naturally animal aggressive and it is therefore necessary for the Pit Bull owner to take certain precautions in the housing, training, and socialization of the animal. Pit Bulls also have a very strong prey drive. Small animals such as birds, squirrels and cats are often viewed as "hunting" targets. The young Pit Bull should be socialized from early on with many types of animals and other dogs. Basic early obedience training is a must. However, you cannot socialize or train away genetics. Since most Pit Bulls are pre-disposed to animal aggression, socialization and training are simply tools of management. A dog that has been raised properly will be easier to handle and control than a dog that has not been socialized or taught how to behave.
Animal aggression as it relates to the Pit Bull is a tricky thing. Even dogs that have never manifested the trait may, at some point, fire up and engage in a fight with another dog or suddenly begin to take a strong interest in small animals. Also, many specimens of the breed will never start a fight, yet will not back down if challenged.
Because Pit Bulls have a desire or even a compulsive instinct to fight, they are not necessarily looking to show dominance or obtain rank by aggressing. Even fairly submissive individuals cannot be trusted to remain out of trouble at all times. Allowing a Pit Bull to "work out rank" with other dogs is dangerous and may very well result in injuries. Although neutering can definately help in some cases (particularly with young males), do not count on the operation eliminating the aggression completely. Both sexes can be animal aggressive, although males can be more "firey". Same-sex aggression is a problem, and many a bitch-owner has stated that female fights are far worse than male-on-male bouts. Regardless of the sexes involved, it is generally felt that same-sex households are not a good idea, particularly for the novice owner.
Pit Bulls are slow to mature. A dog may not show his true temperament until he is 2 or 3 or even 4 years old. Just because your puppy has reached a year of age without having shown animal aggression does not mean he will never manifest the trait.
Pit Bulls can and do interact peacefully with other dogs and animals. Individual dog temperament, early training and socializing, all play an important role in whether or not a Pit Bull is capable of getting along with other animals. Many people successfully keep multiple Pit Bulls and other pets in the same household. Success is based on careful supervision, proper management and training, and the individual animals involved.
Please see the Aggression & Training pages for more info on breed temperament, handling and training.
For more information:
http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html
To: California Legislature
PLEASE HELP CALIFORNIA STOP SB 861
Whereas, the people of California supported the passage of California Food and Agriculture Code 31683 which precluded the passage of breed specific dog ordinances, and codes, we the undersigned California residents ask the Legislature to pass no amendments (SB 861 sponsored by Senator Jackie Spier, D. South San Francisco) which would allow California cities or counties to enact breed specific dog ordinances to the aforementioned Code.
Keep California free from breed specific dog legislation.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
1275 signatures and counting!!!
Punish DEED not BREED!
PLEASE HELP CALIFORNIA STOP SB 861
Whereas, the people of California supported the passage of California Food and Agriculture Code 31683 which precluded the passage of breed specific dog ordinances, and codes, we the undersigned California residents ask the Legislature to pass no amendments (SB 861 sponsored by Senator Jackie Spier, D. South San Francisco) which would allow California cities or counties to enact breed specific dog ordinances to the aforementioned Code.
Keep California free from breed specific dog legislation.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
1275 signatures and counting!!!
Punish DEED not BREED!
For more information:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NOBSL/petiti...
Opponents of the proposed legislation in the original post say that the Denver law has driven breeders underground, hiding their dogs, protecting their pit bull fetish at all costs, forcing them to commit a kind of self-righteous civil disobedience.
OK. Doesn't that show the need to ban, or at least control, the grotesque creatures - and their bull-headed owners? Don't they breed them to defend against some perceived threat to their property? Don't they keep them as a kind of fetish, a living symbol of our violence worshipping culture where defense of property is paramount and the harm done to others -like children - is written off as some kind of collateral damage?
Support the legislation as an important first step to protect our children from these mutant killers and their denying fetishists.
By all means have your dog nuetered. Then keep it chained up, locked up. How cruel is that? How many dog owners keep their object of affection locked up in an apartment all day? Isn't that unnatural? Doesn't that make the dog even more prone to nuerotic behavior, psychotic episodes, and acting out its violent instincts?
Protect children from these pests.
OK. Doesn't that show the need to ban, or at least control, the grotesque creatures - and their bull-headed owners? Don't they breed them to defend against some perceived threat to their property? Don't they keep them as a kind of fetish, a living symbol of our violence worshipping culture where defense of property is paramount and the harm done to others -like children - is written off as some kind of collateral damage?
Support the legislation as an important first step to protect our children from these mutant killers and their denying fetishists.
By all means have your dog nuetered. Then keep it chained up, locked up. How cruel is that? How many dog owners keep their object of affection locked up in an apartment all day? Isn't that unnatural? Doesn't that make the dog even more prone to nuerotic behavior, psychotic episodes, and acting out its violent instincts?
Protect children from these pests.
Pitbulls are not people aggressive, and the bible thumpers do not realize this. My pit was ATTACKED my a German Shepard this past week, and did I call animal control on the lady, oh hell yeah, she would have done it to my dogs, I feel bad, but what goes around comes around. My dogs were on the leash, and her dogs were not, and charged us and instigated a fight, she is lucky my dogs are keeler trained and sat and took it. Her dogs are in the pound, and I hope they get put down, just to show her how we feel who have loving pets who obey the the laws how it feels to lose something that has done nothing wrong, like those in denver. 20 years of pits and not one child injury or dog fighting, or BS you read. Its called responsible ownership. People forget the pit was americas poster dog for WWII, with buster brown shoes, when America was America, not Bushland. Remember President Roosevelt had one....
Bad pits come from bad owners, read up! Learn how to control the behaviors of your pit bull.
How'd you like to be chained up? Would you consider that cruel?
Nessie is worried about the little doggies. Don't be cruel to them and chain them up. Heavens, no!
Unless, of course, you are friends with him and have decided to do a little doggie home vivisection just to test out your personal theories about reanimation.
You see, Nessie gets to decide when it's okay to be cruel to a dog and when it's not. You don't. If there's the slightest *imaginable* chance that it might benefit him medically at some unspecified future date, and he obsesses about immortality, then it's okay to do whatever the hell you want to a dog. No need to consense with official medical research boards, to seek academic peer review or to deal with those stodgy ethics panels. Strike out on your own. If you have a whim and a dog, go for it.
Now, from time to time, you will see him lecture people in his stern patriarchal way about being able to distinguish between different dogs, those that are "pets" and those that are tools, but that just gets back to the point here. He'll object to others viewing his own dog(s) as objects to be locked up or less than the cuddly friends he sees them as. But he's perfectly okay for *other* dogs to be chopped up willy-nilly for food (cultural chauvinism if you say otherwise), military or scientific research (anti-human if you object), or, hell, even home vivisection if he and his friends are so inclined (see URL below).
Politics of selfishness. One rule for Nessie. Another for everyone else.
Unless, of course, you are friends with him and have decided to do a little doggie home vivisection just to test out your personal theories about reanimation.
You see, Nessie gets to decide when it's okay to be cruel to a dog and when it's not. You don't. If there's the slightest *imaginable* chance that it might benefit him medically at some unspecified future date, and he obsesses about immortality, then it's okay to do whatever the hell you want to a dog. No need to consense with official medical research boards, to seek academic peer review or to deal with those stodgy ethics panels. Strike out on your own. If you have a whim and a dog, go for it.
Now, from time to time, you will see him lecture people in his stern patriarchal way about being able to distinguish between different dogs, those that are "pets" and those that are tools, but that just gets back to the point here. He'll object to others viewing his own dog(s) as objects to be locked up or less than the cuddly friends he sees them as. But he's perfectly okay for *other* dogs to be chopped up willy-nilly for food (cultural chauvinism if you say otherwise), military or scientific research (anti-human if you object), or, hell, even home vivisection if he and his friends are so inclined (see URL below).
Politics of selfishness. One rule for Nessie. Another for everyone else.
For more information:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/16385...
Animal Lover
you want us to get rid of our Violence worshipping culture?
I think we should get rid of the culture of cowardess.
So go ahead and use the children as a smoke screen to hide your fear of dogs.
you want us to get rid of our Violence worshipping culture?
I think we should get rid of the culture of cowardess.
So go ahead and use the children as a smoke screen to hide your fear of dogs.
I completely agree with you. If all of the back yard breeders and pit fighting dog owners were jailed or monitarily punished for what there dogs do, maybe the vicious dog attacks would dwindle. People should be held completely responsible for what they let their pets do.
Are you a Pit Bull owner?
Are you a Pit Bull owner?
I had a pitbull and he was the best dog ever he never bit anyone.i don't now what you people are on but i think you guys have problems it is not the dogs fault humans breed them like that it is our fault they do no have a choice if it was up to me i would make sure that they were not ban but people that use them for harm will not own a dog again.My dog was the best dog ever i do not now why people make such a fuss about those dogs ya they may be viscious but humans trained them to be that way you don't want them to be viscious DON'T TRAIN THEM THAT WAY.
"Pit Bulls do need to be banned. They are killers. Folks who revere them are defending a breed that is built and bred to kill. They are dangerous and should be banned outright."
Who the hell are you? I guess you have never loved an animal before. Have you ever had a dog that bit/snapped at someone? Small or large? If dogs need to be banned because they bight then I would suggest all dogs need to be killed!
"Meat is murder. Pit Bulls are killers.
defend yourself and kick one in the teeth with steel toed boots."
Killers? What a crock! People are killers...Hell we should just take a steel-toed boot and kick you in the teeth. I guess we should just go ahead and kill our kids for bighting in school!!! My god you never know they may turn into killers.
"Folks ought to carry plenty of mace to defend against these predators. Folks who breed them should be fined.
Folks who love them should have their heads examined."
I agree that folks should carry mace to defend against predators but not Pit Bulls! What about Rotweillers, Chows, German Shepards? Just pit bulls right? That's all I ever hear about and I am here to tell you I have worked one on one with MANY MANY MANY pit bulls and not one....let me just repeat that!! NOT ONE was vicious, or even aggressive. You have stupid owners. That is their problem not the dogs. Yes many years ago these dogs were created for this horrific game, which I do not condone at all. I have 3 pit bulls that live INSIDE my house. They have been there for 5 years and I am now worried sick because yes there are people out there that are fighting dogs. I had one stolen from my back yard a week ago yesterday and it is believed he was stolen for fighting. I am devastated and know that if he is to come home and has been fought he will not be brought back into my house. He is loving and could never hurt anyone or anything. Hell he rolls around on the ground with his brother Smokey who is a 5 pound ratie-poo. Tell me he is going to hurt someone. If he is thrown into a ring with another pit bull he will be killed. He has never been hit or hurt and would have no idea what to do. The only reason I would not have him come back home if he is fought is because I would worry about my daughter. What happens if he comes home and she scares him and he freaks. He may have a different mind frame that will make him more aggressive. I can't take that chance! That is being a good dog owner. Raising the dog to love and cherish what he has. If he is a danger or believed to be a danger than yes I agree put them down. I don't want my daughter hurt. There are stupid owners and stupid people out there that would want to treat dogs this way!
Why would I need my head examined for loving something or someone. That is ridiculous. You are ridiculous for saying it. So I guess that any dog lover is an idiot right. Because like I said earlier, it is not pit bulls bighting it is all dogs. All dogs bight and many many dogs fight, they are not noticed or mentioned because they are not part of the "Bully Breed".
I know a girl in my town that was viciously attacked and hospitalized. She was 3 years old and guess what it was! Can you? NO NOT A PIT. It was a 3.5-pound Chihuahua. KILL IT! KILL THEM ALL RIGHT> that is what you are saying and I believe that is cruelty to animals. It is cruel to kill anyone or anything and that includes those sweet pit-bull babies.
Who the hell are you? I guess you have never loved an animal before. Have you ever had a dog that bit/snapped at someone? Small or large? If dogs need to be banned because they bight then I would suggest all dogs need to be killed!
"Meat is murder. Pit Bulls are killers.
defend yourself and kick one in the teeth with steel toed boots."
Killers? What a crock! People are killers...Hell we should just take a steel-toed boot and kick you in the teeth. I guess we should just go ahead and kill our kids for bighting in school!!! My god you never know they may turn into killers.
"Folks ought to carry plenty of mace to defend against these predators. Folks who breed them should be fined.
Folks who love them should have their heads examined."
I agree that folks should carry mace to defend against predators but not Pit Bulls! What about Rotweillers, Chows, German Shepards? Just pit bulls right? That's all I ever hear about and I am here to tell you I have worked one on one with MANY MANY MANY pit bulls and not one....let me just repeat that!! NOT ONE was vicious, or even aggressive. You have stupid owners. That is their problem not the dogs. Yes many years ago these dogs were created for this horrific game, which I do not condone at all. I have 3 pit bulls that live INSIDE my house. They have been there for 5 years and I am now worried sick because yes there are people out there that are fighting dogs. I had one stolen from my back yard a week ago yesterday and it is believed he was stolen for fighting. I am devastated and know that if he is to come home and has been fought he will not be brought back into my house. He is loving and could never hurt anyone or anything. Hell he rolls around on the ground with his brother Smokey who is a 5 pound ratie-poo. Tell me he is going to hurt someone. If he is thrown into a ring with another pit bull he will be killed. He has never been hit or hurt and would have no idea what to do. The only reason I would not have him come back home if he is fought is because I would worry about my daughter. What happens if he comes home and she scares him and he freaks. He may have a different mind frame that will make him more aggressive. I can't take that chance! That is being a good dog owner. Raising the dog to love and cherish what he has. If he is a danger or believed to be a danger than yes I agree put them down. I don't want my daughter hurt. There are stupid owners and stupid people out there that would want to treat dogs this way!
Why would I need my head examined for loving something or someone. That is ridiculous. You are ridiculous for saying it. So I guess that any dog lover is an idiot right. Because like I said earlier, it is not pit bulls bighting it is all dogs. All dogs bight and many many dogs fight, they are not noticed or mentioned because they are not part of the "Bully Breed".
I know a girl in my town that was viciously attacked and hospitalized. She was 3 years old and guess what it was! Can you? NO NOT A PIT. It was a 3.5-pound Chihuahua. KILL IT! KILL THEM ALL RIGHT> that is what you are saying and I believe that is cruelty to animals. It is cruel to kill anyone or anything and that includes those sweet pit-bull babies.
Those who call pit bulls predators are misguided and ignorant. Pits were bred to hunt and bait bulls in the ring, not injure people. They are beloved, smart, and fun animals if RAISED correctly. The mean dogs you hear of and the attacks you have heard of are the direct result of the upbringing the dog has had. A dog raised right, pit bull or not, will be a wonderful family pet. A dog starved and teased to make it mean, will be man. And this is not breed specific. Dobermann's, Rottweilers, Shepherds and Chows have also attacked and are known for aggressive streaks, more so thatn pit bulls and you don't hear of them being banned. Get informed people. Ignorance breeds ignorance.
I don't agree with the banning, BUT I do know a pit that was raised in nothing but a loving home, had the life that any dog would wish for and then one day attacked his owner. It had never been aggressive, it just snapped. but I also know of smaller, "fluffy, cute" dogs that have done that! There was a study a few years back that named the Dalmation as the #1 most agressive dog, I have never known of or heard of a dalmation ban. The apartments I used to live in in NC banned huskys, malamutes, boxers, rots, pits, bull dogs or anything having this dog in the mix, but no dalmation. It just doesn't make since to me, no dog should be banned. It is the true nature of any animal to "hunt" and protect, so any animal can attack, not just these dogs.
Yes they were breed to kill, mainly fight in bear and dog fights in the medial ages (henry the 8ths time) .And were usally favored to win because of thier stregnth.Some dogs come from a bad line and are agressive, others come from responsible breeders who back check the line for violence.Pitbulls seem to snap and got crazy and try to kill anything.Buddy my aunts pit/lab was found half starved and afraid of humans , one night he came into my aunts house corner her cat and killed it.He had seen the cat before even slept next to it, he just snapped. A lady in L.A had a pit jump threw her car window ( a ford truck, not a little car) and bite off two of her fingers while it was trying to attack her dog.I was a little upset about the last sentence, you should never talk about animal abuse hurtuing them killing them or anything even if your trying to get a point across, the steel toe boot comment was un-nessacery.
"agree that folks should carry mace to defend against predators but not Pit Bulls! What about Rotweillers, Chows, German Shepards?"
They should carry mace to defend from all dog, but pitbuls are on the top of the attack list.Ive had 3 rotts never bit a soul, my brothers had 2 german shepard, sweetest things in the world.
They should carry mace to defend from all dog, but pitbuls are on the top of the attack list.Ive had 3 rotts never bit a soul, my brothers had 2 german shepard, sweetest things in the world.
why should healthy dogs with a home be put down?
when instead make laws such as 'while walking a dog, it must be on a leash for its weight/size or get fined. or, that fences should be kept up to a certain standard'. the owners of these dogs should be aware of their surroundings which will in the end protect their dog.
and to "animal lover" "save wild life"?? don't animals in the wild eat meat too...?
when instead make laws such as 'while walking a dog, it must be on a leash for its weight/size or get fined. or, that fences should be kept up to a certain standard'. the owners of these dogs should be aware of their surroundings which will in the end protect their dog.
and to "animal lover" "save wild life"?? don't animals in the wild eat meat too...?
All I have to say is that ANYONE who thinks a specific breed is the cause of someone dying from a dog attack then you are just simply fucking retarded.
All I know is if they tried to pass that stupid law in California and they came to my house to take MY dog away from me...
They're gonna have to bring the fucking NAVY SEALS because I'll murder any mother fucker that tries to fuck with my dog. He's my bestfriend and I'm his and no one...NO ONE fucks with my boy.
All I know is if they tried to pass that stupid law in California and they came to my house to take MY dog away from me...
They're gonna have to bring the fucking NAVY SEALS because I'll murder any mother fucker that tries to fuck with my dog. He's my bestfriend and I'm his and no one...NO ONE fucks with my boy.
To directly link dog attacks to an entire majority of dogs is (all feeling aside) not logical.
So, beacause youth kill other youth in school, I should logically think that we ought to ban having kids?
I get into the same argument with myself as the "movies and videogames" crap relating to teen violence.
The fact of the matter is, it's not the videogames or the movies, its the parents. They don't manifest themselves in a relationship with their child nearly enough.
And this is the exact same for the dogs which have become violent. Not all kids are violent, some are under certain contexts. Not all dogs are violent, only some are under certain contexts.
People who train their dog to be a killer, who neglect their dog as to awaken that primeval killer inside ought to be banned. Not Pitbulls as a whole, that's basically rediculous.
I don't like when I hear that a male has committed murder in Philadelphia. It also so happens for instance that he is black.
But I don't come to the conclusion that I all black people commit murder...
There ought to be more laws relating to checking for the habitat and upbringing of Pitbulls and other dogs, not a direct ban of them as a whole. The only problem with this alternative is the government won't want to put in enough money for that.
Lets hope they don't take the easy way out.
So, beacause youth kill other youth in school, I should logically think that we ought to ban having kids?
I get into the same argument with myself as the "movies and videogames" crap relating to teen violence.
The fact of the matter is, it's not the videogames or the movies, its the parents. They don't manifest themselves in a relationship with their child nearly enough.
And this is the exact same for the dogs which have become violent. Not all kids are violent, some are under certain contexts. Not all dogs are violent, only some are under certain contexts.
People who train their dog to be a killer, who neglect their dog as to awaken that primeval killer inside ought to be banned. Not Pitbulls as a whole, that's basically rediculous.
I don't like when I hear that a male has committed murder in Philadelphia. It also so happens for instance that he is black.
But I don't come to the conclusion that I all black people commit murder...
There ought to be more laws relating to checking for the habitat and upbringing of Pitbulls and other dogs, not a direct ban of them as a whole. The only problem with this alternative is the government won't want to put in enough money for that.
Lets hope they don't take the easy way out.
Yes pitbulls CAN BE dangerous. But you act like they are automatically born to kill and bite people. Its not the dog its the people who are not raising these helpless dogs right. They are fighting them and the dogs attact people because thats all they know and are scared. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DO THAT TO THEM. I am a PITBULL LOVER. I have two precious pitbulls and never once in the two years I have had them they have ever showed a tooth. They live day to day with my daughter who is 1 1/2. So stop hating the dogs who dont know better and research your stuff right. HATE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEM THAT WAY!!!!!!
seriously.... please don't present as a liberal, because there are some of us out there who aren't insane. If you want to deal with environmental issues there are much larger causes that the meat in dog food, and just for the record , not everyone feeds there dog dog food, many of my friends feed there dogs all natural diets including some meat, but consisting mainly of vegetables, eggs and grains. Also, insurance premiums...did you really take it there? I work for a non-profit, we are a payer of last resort for people who don't have insurance, we help them try to get it.... rest assured they are not unisured due to dog food. Now I don't have anything against vegetarians and vegans, I was raised by one.....and Mom still loves our dogs.
Now I have two dogs...a German Shepard and a Pit/Lab mix....niether has ever attacked anyone, and they both follow directions...see thats what being a responsible pet owner is.....kind of like being a responsible person, you know. I will tell you in no uncertain terms that if you or anyone else ever kicked either of my dogs " for looking at you" I would press charges for animal cruelty and here in Texas you'd probably do jail time.
Now I can tell by your rambling that you desperately need a cause, so let me help you out with that one.....go volunteer and actually help people you fucking idiot....don't run your mouth about making the world a better place go out and work towards it.
How about you take a little personal responsiblity for the world we live in and it's state and drop your faux-hippie bullshit and become part of the solution rather than the problem.
Now I have two dogs...a German Shepard and a Pit/Lab mix....niether has ever attacked anyone, and they both follow directions...see thats what being a responsible pet owner is.....kind of like being a responsible person, you know. I will tell you in no uncertain terms that if you or anyone else ever kicked either of my dogs " for looking at you" I would press charges for animal cruelty and here in Texas you'd probably do jail time.
Now I can tell by your rambling that you desperately need a cause, so let me help you out with that one.....go volunteer and actually help people you fucking idiot....don't run your mouth about making the world a better place go out and work towards it.
How about you take a little personal responsiblity for the world we live in and it's state and drop your faux-hippie bullshit and become part of the solution rather than the problem.
Isnt that contradicting to say that you love the wildlife and animals so to put down all pitbulls? How can you say you are an environmentalist while your pushing for an entire breed to be extinct? Its the pitbull owners that raise them aggressivly that are to blame. Dogs (like all animals) can be weined to be whatever we train them to be. We can mold breeds to be whatever we want them to be. Poodles, for example, used to be aggressive french war dogs and now they are tame family pets. I am not a pitbull owner and my dog has infact been attacked by a pitbull but I dont blame the breed as a whole, I blame that specific owner for fighting it, putting it on steriods, and then bringing it out in public.
And as far as supporting the meatmarket because you have a pet dog:
You are fighting a loosing battle with every pet owner out there. If your going to hate dogs for eating meat you might as well hate lions, bears, eagles, housecats, most humans, etc. Its all in a balanced circle and for being an environmentalist you sure are trying to mess that up.
And as far as supporting the meatmarket because you have a pet dog:
You are fighting a loosing battle with every pet owner out there. If your going to hate dogs for eating meat you might as well hate lions, bears, eagles, housecats, most humans, etc. Its all in a balanced circle and for being an environmentalist you sure are trying to mess that up.
You're a discrace!How can YOU say pitbulls are killers? Have you ever owned one? I don't think so because then you'd know how loyal they are and THAT is the reason they bite, just like any other dog breed. We should ban your dumbass and all idiots like you. You're a moron! I have grown up with many different dog breeds...from pitbull, german shepard, lab, rhordisian ridgeback, poodle, wolf-husky mix, jack russel and many more and out of all those dogs only the pitbull never turned on my family, nor did it ever growl @ anyone. My pitbull I have now loves kids and absolutely loves other animals...cats, birds, other dogs, ferrets, lizards, you name it. People should hit you in your teeth with steel toe boots and have you uthanized! Pitbulls are not the killers...criminals are! People kill people, and people use pitbulls and other dogs as weapons. Many children have been hurt and killed by people, not dogs. Their just the scapegoat and anyone who criticizes one breed should find something better to do with their pathetic boring lives!
Pit bulls are loving affectionate dogs in most cases. I am a volunteer for pit bulls at a shelter and have never had a problem with them. The problem, in most cases is the owner. Any dog can be a vegetarian as i am, including pit bulls. How can you condem them. They are wonderful.
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