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by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at]
Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
The photograph below shows Don Silva, a top spokeperson for Save our State (SOS), the immigrant bashing group founded by Joe Turner of Ventura County, California, holding up the blue banner, "DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS," along with a man reputed to be "Advocate," at the Saturday, July 16th, 2005 rally against the day laborer center in Laguna Beach, California. A woman reputed to be "Dixieland_Delight" poses before the camera while waving an American flag. Both "Advocate" and "Dixieland_Delight" are known to be white supremacists and reportedly have posted messages under these psuedonyms on the Stormfront White Nationalist Website.

Saturday, July 30, 2005


Photos reveal bizarre relationship between SOS members, Neo-Nazi Skinheads, and White Supremacists.

duaneroberts92804 [at]

LAGUNA BEACH, CA -- When three men allegedly tried to assault Naui Huitzilopochtli, a counterdemonstrator at the Saturday, July 16, 2005 rally against the day laborer center in Laguna Beach, California, they probably didn't realize the political earthquake they were about to set into motion.

For many months now, rumors had been floating around the internet among progressive activists that there was some kind of a bizarre relationship beginning to emerge between Save Our State (SOS) members, Neo-Nazi Skinheads, and White Supremacists.

Cryptic postings on the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website, a nationwide bulletin board run by an ex-Ku Klux Klan leader, hinted that something was up. Thread after thread of messages suggested that racists of all stripes across Southern California were trying to hook up with SOS.

The chatter would sometimes involve heated discussions about the best ways to promote hate. "Advocate," "Dixieland_Delight," "Baldy," "Konkwista88," and many other anonymous posters, would talk incessantly about the need to go to SOS rallies and do outreach for their cause.

Some of these same nicknames even began popping up on the SOS website. "Advocate," who until earlier this month had posted close to 218 messages to that site since December 2004, also had several online discussions with members of that group, including some of its top leaders.

Despite the enormous amount of message traffic being generated by these persons unknown on the Stormfront and SOS websites, progressive activists just couldn't figure out exactly what was going on. It was like spending your time trying to find shadows in the dark.

But what happened in Laguna Beach on July 16th has changed everything. The very moment those three men set foot off the sidewalk, they opened themselves up to an intense amount of scrutiny. The cameras began clicking, reporters started scribbling, and policemen began investigating.

During the past two weeks, this writer himself has undertaken his own exhaustive investigation into the persons who allegedly tried to assault Naui at the demo. I've interviewed witnesses, communicated with anonymous whistleblowers via email, and have printed out and read hundreds of messages posted on both the Stormfront and SOS websites.

In addition to this, I have carefully scrutinized about two hundred digital photos that were taken by amateur photographers of protests that SOS or its members either organized or participated in places like Victorville, Baldwin Park, Santa Clarita, and Laguna Beach.

And what have I learned so far, you may ask?

Here is the summary of what I've discovered:

1. Of the three men who allegedly tried to assault Naui at the anti-day laborer center rally in Laguna Beach on July 16th, two are known to be avowed white supremacists. Strong evidence suggests they post under the psuedonyms, "Baldy" (whose real name is Robert Floyd) and "Konkwista88," on the Stormfront website. They appear in photographs in all of the protests I mention above, of which three were organized or initiated by SOS and its members.

2. Frank Jorge, the other man who allegedly tried to assault Naui, is a leader within SOS and a Minuteman. In two photos that were taken by two different photographers at the anti-monument rally in Baldwin Park on June 25th, Jorge is shown standing in close proximity to either one or the other white supremacist I make reference to in the previous paragraph.

3. "Advocate," an older white male who appears to be in his late 50s, appears to be a mentor for a group of about a dozen young neo-Nazi skinheads and white supremacists in the Southern California area who have been brought together through the Stormfront website. Prior to July 16th, this groups appears to have been using SOS as a vehicle to promote white supremacist views.

4. "Advocate," "Baldy," "Konkwista88," and his girlfriend, "Dixieland_Delight," appear all together in a photograph that was taken at an anti-Home Depot protest in Santa Clarita, California on July 10, 2005 that was organized by members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists. Some of the persons in the photograph are reputed to be Ku Klux Klansmen.

5. "Advocate" has had a close association with SOS, and has been involved with that group at least since December 2004. He posted close to 218 messages on their website (some of them extremely racist) before being banned earlier this month by a moderator, allegedly for making threatening statements.

6. "Advocate" has had direct and open public communications with top SOS leaders, including Joe Turner (aka, "SaveOurState") and Don Silva. (aka, "OldPreach") In one thread "Advocate" initiated, he engaged in a dialogue with Turner, Silva, and others about the need for creating better quality signs to get the group's message across to the general public. Although SOS didn't pay for the blue banner, "DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS," that we see in photos of the Santa Clarita and Laguna Beach protests, evidence exists suggesting that Turner was the inspiration for it.

7. Despite repeated statements by top SOS leaders that white supremacists aren't welcome within their organization, messages posted on their own website authored by Silva, Turner, and other members of that group tend to make a complete mockery of these assertion.

For example, after some SOS members expressed alarm over all the National Vanguard members, neo-Nazi skinheads, and white supremacists that attended the last anti-monument rally held in Baldwin Park, California, Silva wrote in a June 25th message he posted online:

Like is stated on the
web site, we reject ALL reacist/sep [sic]
orgs and their various disgusting
doctrines. I am not white, and so they
reject me from joining their ranks, even
if I [were] to express an interest. That
SICKENS me....

But before he completed this sentence, Silva then immediately contradicted himself:

I do not think I would mind it if they
wanted to join our side on this cause if
they just kept there lame racism to
themselves and just went out there as

In other words, Silva is saying he doesn't have a problem with members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists attending SOS rallies as long as they keep their "reich shirts" and hate literature at home.

And Turner, the Executive Director of SOS, apparently feels the same way. In a June 5th posting, he remarked:

You have the white supremacists who come on
this board spouting their shit. If they
joined us at a rally and simply stuck to
the issue [of "illegal immigration"],
none of us would even know they were
supremacists, etc.

This lacksidasical attitude appears to be the prevailing sentiment among many members of SOS. When the topic of white supremacists came up in another message on their website, "Prometheus," a man who claims to have been an organizer of the anti-Home Depot protest in Victorville, California on June 11th responded:

I [simply] don't have a problem with
any WN [White Nationalist] or SF [Stormfront]
people as long as they leave their hatred
and hate literature behind. Besides if
we can't get beyond that then we can have
numbers that is what the cause needs,
body count.

Another poster, "Kathy58," gave a similar reply to a different thread:

National Vanguad [sic], National Alliance,
and all those asinine white supremacist
organizations are nasty, with nasty goals
and nasty objectives. They are, however,
boots on the ground and if you want to
show numbers, they are allies.

In another message, "Bearflagrepublic2005," a person who says he attended both the Victorville and Baldwin Park protests, had nothing but praise for the neo-Nazi skinheads and white supremacists who appear at the rallies. Talking about an experience he had at the anti-Home Depot rally in Santa Clarita on July 10th (which was not organized by SOS), he wrote:

I'm personally thankful that street
activists showed up, because we had an
incedent [sic] where a 'mexican' (as
far as I could distinguish) threatened
the protest by getting out of his
car and reaching for something in his
trunk while verbally threatening the
four of us who were standing the
corner. It was the White Nationalists
who had their knives that came around
the corner that caused this possible
attacker to retreat to his car and
drive off. These protectors are
welcome anywhere I go to demonstrate
against illegal immigrants or any
other important issue.

8. In the same June 25th message I alluded to previously, Silva also claimed that SOS was doing everything it could possibly do to keep white supremacists from coming to protests they organize:

Sigh.... we are doing all we feel
we can to discouage [sic] them, and
when I see them there, i cringe
and start to boil becuzz [sic] they
just can not be civil about it. They
just spew out the racism.

But despite this, there is some evidence suggesting that some SOS leaders continue to maintain relationships with them. As to why has not been made perfectly clear.

On July 6, 2005, someone using the psuedonym "oldpreach" posted the following message on the Stormfront website:

I can not seem to PM [private message]
about the july 10th event. Can one of
the orgs [organizers] of the event plz
email me the details? Thnks.
sfvcc1 [at]

The message can be seen at this link:

Although there is always a slight possibility this may not be the same "oldpreach" that Silva usually posts under on the SOS website, it is an interesting coincidence that the person is presumably making an inquiry about the July 10th rally against Home Depot in Santa Clarita, which, curiously enough, was organized by "Baldy," "Dixieland_Delight," and another person, according to messages posted on the Stormfront website.

Even more interesting is the fact that the "sfvcc" in the above email address corresponds to the initials for the "San Fernando Valley Chess Club," a group that used to meet at the Coffee Machine, a coffee house and music venue in the City of Reseda. In fact, if you go to the website of the Coffee Machine (, you'll discover that back in 2004, the "San Fernando Valley Chess Club" was hosted by Silva:

(If you carefully look at the row of photos on your left, and go about twelve pictures down, you'll see a clean shaven Silva standing at a table looking at a young boy and an older man playing chess.)

But even more problematic is the existence of photo that shows Silva holding up the blue banner, "DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS," along with "Advocate," at the Saturday, July 16th, 2005 rally against the day laborer center in Laguna Beach. In the photo, "Dixieland_Delight" poses before the camera waving an American flag. It was posted as an attachment to a message under a thread that "Baldy" (i.e., Robert Floyd) happened to have created on the Stormfront website.

Of course, I could go on. But what is most important is the collection of more than 40 photographs I've put together from public sources all over the internet; as you examine them, they'll help you flesh out this rather bizarre relationship in much greater detail.

It will help you connect the dots, as I have already done.



SOS members, Neo-Nazi Skinheads, & White Supremacists (2/4):

SOS members, Neo-Nazi Skinheads, & White Supremacists (3/4):

SOS members, Neo-Nazi Skinheads, & White Supremacists (4/4):



This article is the last in a series that started with a piece entitled, "Laguna Beach Cops Tackle White Supremacist to the Ground: Part I," that was originally posted on on the evening of Monday, July 18, 2005. If you haven't read this article yet, it is strongly advised that you do because it helps you better understand what this article is all about.

The link is as follows:

If it isn't working, please go here:

The only thing I would change from the original article I wrote is that I've since learned the "National Alliance" I make reference too doesn't technically exist anymore; it apparently has been swallowed up by the National Vanguard.

by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
A photograph of Don Silva and Joe Turner, leaders of Save Our State (SOS), congregating with others on the Northwest corner of the Locust Ave. and Bear Valley Ave. intersection in Victorville, California on Saturday, June 11, 2005. About ten people showed up on the SOS side to protest Home Depot. Photo originally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
A photograph of the anti-Home Depot protest organized by SOS reportedly taken by Robert Floyd, who posts under the psuedonym, "Baldy," on the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website. Floyd was across the street participating in the other anti-Home Depot protest: the one that had been organized by members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists. Photo originally posted on the
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
A photograph of the anti-Home Depot protest organized by members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists in Victorville, Ca on Saturday, June 11, 2005. The organizers of this particular action allegedly contacted an SOS member for permission to come. According to various reports, between 15 and 20 people were in attendance, some coming from as far away as Las Vegas. Photo orginally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
An enlargement of the previous photo showing a woman who posts under the psuedonym "Dixieland_Delight" on the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website. The man to her right is reputed to be "Konkwista88," another Stormfront member, and is also her boyfriend. "Konkwista88" has been identified by witnesses as being one of three men who allegedly tried to assault Naui Huitzilopochtli, a counterdemonstrator in Laguna Beach on July 16, 2005.
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
Another photograph of the anti-Home Depot protest organized by the members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists. Photo orginally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
An enlargement of the previous photo showing Robert Floyd, the man wearing an orange shirt and hat, standing near the traffic box (just behind the other man wearing a red t-shirt). Directly across the street from him, you can clearly see Don Silva of SOS carrying an American flag. His back is to the camera. Photo orginally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
A closeup photograph of Floyd and another unindentified person, standing on the Northeast side of the Locust Ave. and the Bear Valley Ave intersection in Victorville, California. Floyd reportedly hung out on this corner throughout the duration of both protests. Photo orginally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
Another photograph of an unindentified man participating in the anti-Home Depot protest organized by members of the National Vanguard, neo-Nazi skinheads, and other white supremacists. Photo orginally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
An enlargement of the previous photo showing a closeup of the sign the unidentified man was carrying. Notice the handwritten words, "Save Our ..."? Two "white nationalists" were reportedly thrown out of the SOS protest that day. They joined the one the white supremacists had organized. Photo originally posted on
by Duane J. Roberts (duaneroberts92804 [at] Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 9:25 AM
A photograph of a man reputed to be "Advocate" hanging out white supremacists at the anti-Home Depot protest. "Advocate" has posted numerous messages using that pseudonym on both the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website and, until recently, the SOS website (he was allegedly kicked off the latter for making threatening statements to a moderator). Photo originally posted on the

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by hmm
Saturday Jul 30th, 2005 11:14 AM
It hasn't been up for awhile
by Boxcar Willie
(elijahradioprophet [at] Monday Aug 1st, 2005 7:30 PM
Easy, there...big fella! "I fear that thou protestest too much!" NO...your inaine attacks on people who are as ignorant of CAUSES & EFFECTS make you of the same nazi hate group mentality, the Corperate Farms went into Mexico & forced the Small Farmers to LOSE their Markets. WALL MART....see the face? These people are FORCED to FLEE north to FEED from the Swine Breast of the Filthy Beast that destroyed their HOME, LIFE & WORK!
The ATTACKS on the Twin WTO Towers in NYC, "9-11" was a ATTACK ON THE MONSTERS who CAUSE this type grief.
PLEASE , MARY! Cease these STUPID games....Use you Mind! Learn who the REAL enemy ARE!
the Jewish concept of the Lamed-Vav Tzaddikim. The lam-who what? Lamed
is the 12th Hebrew letter with the numeric equivalent of 30, vav is
the sixth Hebrew letter equating to 6 so lamed-vav is another way of
saying 36; tzaddikim are righteous men. Lamed-vav tzaddikim = 36
righteous men. Supposedly there are at least 36 righteous men in each
generation who have a special bond with Hashem (God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob) and without these lamedvavniks the existence of the earth
is threatened.

Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 97b

Abaye said: The world must contain not less than thirty-six
righteous men in each generation who are vouchsafed [the sight of] the
Shechinah's* countenance, for it is written, Blessed are all they that
wait lo [for him]; the numerical value of 'lo' is
thirty-six...[thirty-six] refers to those who see Him through a bright

* Shechinah roughly translated to mean "divine presence"

** Only thirty-six see Him with absolute clarity

These men are humble, nondescript persons hidden throughout the world
who are only brought to the forefront when disaster is threatening to
strike. If you were to meet one on the street you wouldn't be able to
tell as they are concealed until the time they are needed. When danger
appears they come out of their self-imposed anonymity and with their
close bond with Hashem defeat the foe and then sink back into the sea
of humanity. Discovery of the identity of any of these righteous men
is to be kept in strictest confidence, forget that you know their secret.

The role of righteous men in Jewish thought, especially among the
Hassidim ("pious ones"), takes on messianic proportions: they are
miracle-workers, prophets, healers, etc. even going as far as the
Lubavitcher movement who in 1994 thought their deceased leader Rabbi
Menahem Schneerson had been a great tzaddik and would be resurrected
and revealed as THE Moshiach (Messiah). From this we can presume that
the Lubavitchers thought Rabbi Schneerson was one of the 36 righteous
men keeping the world from utter chaos (as opposed to an "ordinary"
tzaddik who does not have the same degree of closeness with Hashem as
the 36). Interesting to note regarding Hassidim is what the
Encyclopaedia Judaica has to say about what they wear: "Most of the
Hasidim wear a special garb, consisting of...a long black coat, and
fur hat." I think we've all seen pictures of them walking around New
York in the summer heat all dressed in black, sporting long
side-curls. Are these the original Men in Black?

Lamed-Vav Tzaddikim are a group of 36 men, some dressed in black, who
appear when there is a threat to the earth, fix the problem and then
disappear. MiB have 26 men (26 letters of the alphabet), all dressed
in black, who appear when there is a threat to the earth, fix the
problem and then disappear. They neuralyze anyone who saw anything out
of the ordinary so they can't remember what happened; the neuralyzer
is a bright flash of light that erases the memory of anyone not
wearing dark glasses.

New Order of Barbarians - transcript of tapes I-III

Note: This is a transcript of three tapes on the "New Order of Barbarians", referred to on the tapes simply as the "new world system." Tapes one and two were recorded in 1988 and are the recollections of Dr. Lawrence Dunegan regarding a lecture he attended on March 20, 1969 at a meeting of the Pittsburgh Pediatric Society. The lecturer at that gathering of pediatricians (identified in tape three recorded in 1991) was a Dr. Richard Day (who died in 1989). At the time Dr. Day was Professor of Pediatrics at Mount Sinai Medical School in New York. Previously he had served as Medical Director of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Dr. Dunegan was formerly a student of Dr. Day at the University of Pittsburgh and was well acquainted with him, though not intimately. He describes Dr. Day as an insider of the "Order" and although Dr. Dunegan's memory was somewhat dimmed by the intervening years, he is able to provide enough details of the lecture to enable any enlightened person to
discern the real purposes behind the trends of our time. This is a transcript of a a loose, conversational monologue that makes for better listening than reading.

The third and final tape of the "New Order of Barbarians" is an interview by Randy Engel, Director of the U.S. Coalition for Life, with Dr. Larry Dunegan was taped on Oct. 10, 1991 in Pittsburgh, Penn.
The set of audio tapes may be ordered from the Florida Pro-family Forum, P.O. Box 1059, Highland City, FL 33846-1059 ($20.00).


Tape I
































By Anupama Bhattacharya and Saurabh Bhattacharya

Armageddon, Antichrist, nuclear holocaust, polar shifts. Be it a new millennium, planetary alignment or a comet, doomsday prophets have a field day with their end of the world predictions. But is there really any rational basis for such an apocalyptic outlook?

First the bad news. By prophetic consent, this millennium portends doom for the world. Now the good news. Forget about paying off debts, postpone confessing to your latest sin, break your New Year promises. Why give a hoot to a world that's going to end anyway? As the bedraggled D-day monger at the street corner puts it: "Rejoice, for the end of the world is nigh!" But is it? Can you really visualize good old earth coming to an ominous full stop?

The 16th century seer Nostradamus could and his prophecies have led to a flurry of doomsday predictions. In quatrain 74, he predicted the rise of the Antichrist in July 1999, or a being darkly similar, followed by a period of bloody wars that will decimate the earth. Though the Antichrist is related to a religious view, there are other doomsday possibilities that are, according to die-hard D-day watchers, more rooted in reality. But where does prediction stop and hysteria begin?

Massive natural upheavals—earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, floods, droughts—are the mainstay of most D-day prophets. Apart from Nostradamus, most of whose quatrains revel in nature's cataclysms, the bulk of prophecies predicting natural disasters stem from the Sleeping Prophet Edgar Cayce and the modern-day seer Gordon Michael Scallion. Scallion hit the bull's eye when he predicted the massive Hurricane Andrew that hit the West Coast of the USA a few years back.

Cayce, who would go into a trance while 'seeing' the future, foretold of unprecedented earthquakes that would decimate New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles by the end of this century. Madame Helena Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society and a famous seer, even prophesied global destruction "as happened to Atlantis... all of England and parts of NW European coast will sink into the sea..."

Prophecies of natural disasters have probably had the strongest factual back up. For hundreds of years, the Los Angeles-San Francisco area has been delicately poised on the world's most potent fault-line—the San Andreas Fault. One small shake and you can say goodbye to Beverly Hills. Says Matthew Bunson in his book Prophecies 2000, "Every year, about half a million earthquakes rattle the earth. The majority of these are barely felt, but when a major quake hits, entire cities and hundreds of thousands of lives may hang in the balance." In the Indian subcontinent alone, the recent earthquakes in the Tehri region and the routine cyclones of Bangladesh are proof of what happens when nature roars.

Granted that the earth is a volatile mess, can it still vindicate D-day panic?

Professor Yash Pal, renowned scientist, defines doomsday as an event in which a major part of life is destroyed. And though the USA might have pretensions of being the world, destruction of San Francisco or Los Angeles won't exactly be the end of Homo Sapiens. Unless, of course, the entire earth becomes a volatile trampoline. But such widespread jumps on the Richter scale on a planet-gone-wild can occur—along with the other paraphernalia of doomsday—only if a kamikaze asteroid chooses earth as its target.

"There is scientific evidence of major extinction every 30-40 million years," Professor Pal explains, "which is hardly surprising when you look at other planets pockmarked with meteor and asteroid hits. In fact, 10-20 meter long asteroids may hit the earth every once in a century. The real trouble, says the professor, will be caused if an asteroid about 6 miles long has a rendezvous with earth. "It will be equivalent to a blast of 100 million tons of TNT. The atom bomb dropped over Hiroshima had only 10 tons of TNT," he explains. One such asteroid, in fact, is believed to have caused the extinction of dinosaurs, leading the way to the evolution of Homo Sapiens. Evidence of this has been found recently in the form of a 106-mile long Yucatan crater in Mexico, which is supposed to be the site of an asteroid impact around 65 million years ago. The asteroid that apparently hit earth then was six miles wide and was traveling at the speed of 9 miles/second. Do we face a fate similar to the mighty reptiles that roamed the earth millennia ago? Not quite.

"We have catalogued most asteroids that are big enough to cause global destruction," says Professor Pal. "We know their tracks and can predict fairly well where they would be at a given time. If we found one heading for us, we could create a small explosion on its surface, or put a sail facing the solar wind to deflect its course."

So, Hollywood flicks such as Deep Impact are only fantasy? "You could say that," the professor says. "Theoretically, you can't rule out perturbations that might divert an asteroid and throw it right at us. But it doesn't seem probable."

Gabriel Jogard, a 19th century seer, predicted 1962 as the year when the Antichrist would be born. Jeane Dixon, known for her accurate prophecies of John Kennedy and Mahatma Gandhi's assassinations predicted the exact date—5 February, 1962. Great, but who is he? D-day seers provide identification tips. According to Jewish legend, the Antichrist, named Armilus, would have one eye bigger than the other, would be partially deaf and may walk with a limp. Unattractive, but easy to spot—if you can locate all Armiluses born on 5 February, 1962. The trouble is, he could also be named Mabus or Alus, or their anagrams, as prophesied by Nostradamus. This Antichrist will rise from the Middle East and his first triumph would be over New York, ultimately leading to World War III.

The tradition of the Antichrist is rooted in the Book of Revelations of the New Testament, where Saint John describes the apocalyptic events leading up to Judgment Day: the seven seals of God's Book of Life, the ensuing wrath of God, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the emergence of the Beast and the Antichrist, and finally Armageddon. Many Christians in the 17th century accepted the calculations of James Usher, an Irish archbishop, who estimated the first day of creation to be in 4004 BC. And that the end of the world would occur on 23 October, 1996.

Some popular ends of the world:

666: Year of the Dead

1000: Popular belief, fuelled by apocalyptic preachers

1003: The year of Christ's Crucifixion

1666: Preachers after the Great London Fire

1992: Popular belief over Halley's comet

1999: Seventh Day Adventists; Jehovah's Witnesses; Nostradamus

2000: Grand Conjunction (May 4); Ice Shift

2001: Edgar Cayce (Axis Shift)

2025: Max Tooth predicts collapse of humanity

6300: Tooth predicts the Grand Climacteric

Obviously, his predictions failed. But it did not deter many Christian cosmologists and scholars from trying and putting a precise date on the Day of Judgment. This might have been a harmless scholarly task in itself, had not numerous D-day cults usurped the idea and given it a distinctly destructive spin.

Take the case of the suicidal Heaven's Gate, whose members killed themselves in 1997, believing their souls would hitch on to a spaceship trailing the Hale-Bopp comet and thus escape the end of the world. Or the Concerned Christians, whose members were recently thrown out of Israel for planning to bomb holy places there and trigger off the Armageddon. Some of these groups base their doomsday calculation on the following beliefs:

• that God created the world in 4004 BC
• that God's one day equals 1,000 years
• that the world will last for 6,000 years
• that the world will end at or about the year 2000.

Incidentally, the doomsday scare that is raging today is not unique. In Europe, as the year 1000 approached, there was considerable civil unrest, and when the end did not occur on schedule, many even criticized the church. Perhaps in response to this backlash, a series of genocide followed: heretics were targeted for extermination and witches burnt at stake. The situation was bloody, and is warning enough for any rational being today. The Christian tradition of the Antichrist finds an ally in Islam. One of the faith's basic tenets is a belief in D-day or qayamat. Says Delhi-based Islamic scholar Saniyasnain Khan: "We do not try to predict any date for qayamat. Only Allah is aware of that time. At this time, Khan says, "mountains will be razed to the ground, floods shall engulf the planet. All of humanity, including the dead, will be called forth. The good shall go to jannat (heaven) and the evil to jahannum (hell). Earth will be no more". End of story? Perhaps. But, says Khan: "The essence of qayamat is to remind humanity that he alone is responsible for all his actions. We are not waiting for the world to end. We know it will. But till then, Allah wants us to aspire for the good and eschew the evil."

According to the Puranic (ancient Hindu texts) tradition, the climax of kaliyuga will witness the emergence of the tenth incarnation of Vishnu (one of the trinity that rules the Hindu pantheon of gods): Kalki, the ruthless decimator of evil. The Puranas describe this incarnation as riding in the sky on a white horse, sword unsheathed, and marauding through all that is evil in this age. Following this bloodbath, satyuga (age of truth) will return in all its pristine glory. Incidentally, a Kalki movement has already sprung up in South India, and its leader, Bhagavan Sri Kalki, is considered by his followers as the promised tenth incarnation. However, this sect has desisted from any rabid D-day prophecies, concentrating more on ushering in satyuga through a spiritual transformation. But this does not discount other D-day prophets in Hinduism. According to Dr Jayant Athavale, founder of the Mumbai-based Sanatan Bharatiya Sanskriti Sanstha, mankind is destined for a massive evolution shift. "Large scale natural calamities will occur," he says. "Several industries will be closed down. Man's behavior will put even animals to shame."

The Brahma Kumaris, another religious Indian sect, believe that the end of the millennium will see America and part of Europe destroyed by a nuclear bomb. Much of the earth's landmass will be submerged. India will see a civil war. Grain will become inedible and there will be no drinking water. After this would come satyuga with perpetual spring, beardless men and yogic reproduction. And yes, only 900,000 people from the present will survive to see this satyuga.

There are some obvious catches to all predictions that wrestle for a date. For one, the year 2000 is a largely a Christian concept without much significance in either Hinduism or Islam. In strictly mathematical terms, it's not year 2000 but the year 2001 that is the beginning of the new millennium since after 1 BC came 1 AD—without a zero year in between. Historians also claim that Christ was actually born in 4 BC, which would mean that the second millennium was over in 1997. So what's the hullabaloo about?

"The origin of astrology is the same as astronomy," argues Professor Yash Pal. "But human beings have a habit of seeing more than they know. They started correlating what happened in a person's life with planetary positions. Ironically, humans remember only those predictions that come true. Which is why astrology works only for those who believe in it." Comforting words these, considering the plethora of crosses and alignments the planets make it a habit to undergo, which, according to modern day prophets, may bring about global calamities—even the end of life. So much so that this celestial tug-of-war could cause a gravitational pull on the Sun and the Earth, leading to tidal changes, floods, earthquakes, and perhaps the shifting of the planet's axis. And, in a matter of hours, the Alps, Andes, Rockies, and Himalayas may become expensive beachfront property.

Astronomers, however, fail to see any such thing happening. Nor do some astrologers.

"All this talk about dangerous planetary positions is baseless," says Santhanam. "According to Vedic numerology and astrology, there is no question of the world coming to an end this year. The planets never go against nature. If we observe faults in their position then something is wrong with our coordination."

Close on the heels of the stars come the ever-mystical play of numbers. But here, the dark shadow of D-day is a mere wisp. "Everybody said that the world would end in 1999," says Santhanam. "False as that turned out to be, this year was definitely important. The 3 nines add to 9, which is the number of Mars or rebirth. This composition indicates the rebirth of the world." Astrologer Bejan Daruwalla goes a step further. "The 21st century will be the brightest and the boldest period of humanity. This is because the sum of 21 is 3, which is the number of Jupiter, the planet of good luck. In the next 9 years, we'll even contact extra-terrestrials."

A different D-day, however, might await humanity in the next century. It may not be a single day or month, but years of slow poisoning—through toxic wastes, deforestation, siltation, air pollution, oil spills, global warming. . . "We are getting too powerful for our own good," says Professor Pal. "Initially, we were part of nature. Today, we have begun to disturb her. Years back, the river Yamuna could take any dirt and absorb it. Today, it is defeated into a murky drain." All this, when our recorded history is not more than 5,000 years old—a mere speck in the lifetime of Earth.

The lesson, this time, might lie in Atlantis.

When it comes to doomsday visions, nothing equals the story of this fabled continent of super humans, which, thanks to reckless exploitation of nature, one day collapsed into the sea. It was, say New Agers, the curse of hubris, of the assumption that man could conquer nature.

According to Cayce, the great flood mentioned in almost all ancient mythologies is actually the sinking of Atlantis. The memory of that moment of destruction, wrote Linda Goodman, author and psychic, still lies buried in our collective unconscious. And then there is the most human of all D-day threats—a nuclear holocaust.

After the end of the Cold War between the erstwhile Soviet Union and the USA, this threat has shifted to the emergence of smaller nuclear nations. "If all the nuclear powers were to use their weapons, it may not kill every human being," says Professor Pal, "but it will lead to a cloud that will block out the sun and create radioactivity that will last for tens of thousands of years." So, is nuclear war a possibility? Policy analyst B.G. Verghese of the Delhi-based Center for Policy Research is certain that such a situation is far from probable. "Nothing in life can be written off with certitude," he says, "but the probability of a rational human being hitting the nuclear button is extremely minimal. There have been flashpoints in the history of human civilization since World War II where a nuclear war was a breath away. But it did not happen, because man is aware of the mammoth suicidal potential of a nuclear holocaust." In a rational world, apocalypse will be just another word. And, however much our D-day watchers may scream, man's survival instinct will force him to remain as safely rational as possible.

Way back in the 1930s, the philosopher Abd-ru-shin wrote in his book In the Light of Truth: "His (man's) free will lies solely in the decision, of which he may make many every hour. In the independent weaving of the Laws of Creation, however, he is unswervingly subject to the consequences of every one of his personal decisions! Therein lies his responsibility..."

It is this intricate relationship between free will and destiny that we humans need to comprehend and utilize, rather than cry wolf at the drop of a hat. For, ultimately, as journalist Werner Huemer and publisher Micah Rubenstein note in their thought-provoking article 'The Value and Limitations of Prophecies', circulated on the Net, "the true value of prophecies lies in how alert they make one by pointing to possible repercussions. We shall reap what we have sown. When, how and in what form can only be determined through our present actions. It is futile to fall into a state of 'end of the world' panic, since our free will is within the framework of Creation and our future is open.

So, let's hear the good news first. By rational consent, humanity has decided the world is NOT going to end by the turn of the millennium. Now the bad news. Pay off your debts, rush to the nearest confessional, keep all your New Year promises. Frightened? Hey, who said life is fair? Life is, well, just positive!

—with inputs from Suma Varughese

According to the evolution timeline below, taken from Roger Lewin's Thread of Life: The Smithsonian Looks at Evolution, humanity has barely been born on this planet and has millions of years more to live.


Human 0 Quaternary
Mammals arrive 50 Tertiary
Dinosaurs flourish 100 Cretaceous
Reptiles, pre-bird 150-175 Jurassic
Land plant life 200 Triassic
Dinosaurs arrive 250 Paleozoic
Amphibians 300 Carboniferous
First reptiles 300 Carboniferous
Sea plants on land 350 Devonian
Vertebrate fish 425 Silurian
Sea invertebrates 450-500 Ordovician
Trilobites, snails 500-575 Cambrian

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by WTF
Sunday Sep 11th, 2005 2:10 AM
Did they do secret experiments on you in the spacecraft? Or are you just having a hard time being coherent on your meds?
by AyatollahGondola
Wednesday Oct 5th, 2005 8:33 AM
SOS does not recruit or desire anyone who salutes a foreign flag. That would include the Nazi one.
Duane's recycling this article confirms that he is having trouble authenticating any new evidence that SOS in linked to any Nazi based groups.
Interestingly, Duane has little problem with people who salute foreign flags such as mexicos or other non American ones on US soil. Me thinks me smells the odor of hypocrisy
by AyatollahGondola
Wednesday Oct 5th, 2005 8:57 AM
How about telling us who this man represents Duane?
by Matteo Benito
Monday Jan 19th, 2009 10:32 AM
Nobody cares if some white nationalists show up for an anti-immigration rally. It is their red, white and blue right to do so. They have a constitutional right to voice their opinions, even if it differs from the "mainstream". I don't associate with any white power groups, but I have on many occasions protested illegal immigration. I can tell you that Save Our State, The Minutemen, We Need A Fence, the list goes on, are NOT white power groups. They are simply Americans who are fed up with all of the problems that illegal "immigrants" have caused, and since Georgie Bush hasn't done shite about it, they are raising their flags and letting their voices be heard. As far as I'm concerned, a "racist" is just as much entitled to exercise his constitutional rights to free speech as a member of The National Council of La Raza or "MEChA". In fact, the white American is MORE entitled due to the fact that he is an English-speaking AMERICAN CITIZEN. the U.S. Constitution was written for and applies to Americans particularly. Who ever said it applies to invaders and parasites in this great nation?
by Leila
Tuesday Aug 18th, 2009 8:20 PM
Really? You have little kids there? That is just despicable....