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Gaza: When Will it End?
Laila M. El-Haddad writing from Gaza City, occupied Palestine, Live from Palestine, 18 July 2005
An elderly man at Netzarim checkpoint. (Laila El-Haddad)
I spent much of the day talking to Palestinians trying to cross the Netzarim checkpoint today. It is a 6m deep trench dug deep into Gaza's coastal road, which has in recent days been ripped apart by nocturnal armoured bulldozers that come out from behind the lone sniper in he distance, and dissappear before dawn when their work is done.
The checkpoint, along with one further south at Abo Holi, has divided Gaza into three isolated segments for over five days now: Rafah and Khan Yunis in the south; dair al-Balah, Maghazi, and Nseirat refugee camps in the central Gaza Strip; and Gaza city, Beit Hanun, and Jabaliya in the north.
It was a painful site, as I heard testimony after testimony of the hardship endured in what would otherwise be a daily routine. Commerical trucks, donkey carts, fruit vendors, taxis, all attempting to make it down the trench and across to the other side. Young women heading to college carrying textbooks, walking over 3 km around the checkpoint; Women with infants; Elderly Palestinians trudging across on canes through mounds of sand; And most heartbreaking of a all, a man who was suffering from Parkinson's, and had come back from al-Shifa hospital with a bag full of medicine and a medical transfer to Egypt, though he would be unable to travel there because further south, Abo Holi checkpoint was completey sealed off to commuters.
I heard accounts of "close-calls", of bullets just missing commuters heads, fired in "warning" by the lone sniper overlooking the checkpoint, and when it was over, I headed home, relieved that none of those bullets had been fatal, satisfied with a job well-done, and wrote the story out.
I made it home in time to meet with a colleague from the BBC who was here on assigment for a radio program. "I just heard a 14-year-old boy was shot at Abo Holi, but the IDF hasn't yet confirmed it," she said.
I checked my sources. I called the hospitals, the families in Dair al-Balah, and sure enough, 14-year old Raghed al-Masri was brutally {blocked}ed, as he was waiting with his family in a taxi at Abo Holi. But the world's media was too busy covering a press conference Abbas was holding in Gaza, and a meeting between Hamas and Egyptian delegates on the fate of he dubious "ceasefire".
Read More (With Photos)
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4014.shtml
I spent much of the day talking to Palestinians trying to cross the Netzarim checkpoint today. It is a 6m deep trench dug deep into Gaza's coastal road, which has in recent days been ripped apart by nocturnal armoured bulldozers that come out from behind the lone sniper in he distance, and dissappear before dawn when their work is done.
The checkpoint, along with one further south at Abo Holi, has divided Gaza into three isolated segments for over five days now: Rafah and Khan Yunis in the south; dair al-Balah, Maghazi, and Nseirat refugee camps in the central Gaza Strip; and Gaza city, Beit Hanun, and Jabaliya in the north.
It was a painful site, as I heard testimony after testimony of the hardship endured in what would otherwise be a daily routine. Commerical trucks, donkey carts, fruit vendors, taxis, all attempting to make it down the trench and across to the other side. Young women heading to college carrying textbooks, walking over 3 km around the checkpoint; Women with infants; Elderly Palestinians trudging across on canes through mounds of sand; And most heartbreaking of a all, a man who was suffering from Parkinson's, and had come back from al-Shifa hospital with a bag full of medicine and a medical transfer to Egypt, though he would be unable to travel there because further south, Abo Holi checkpoint was completey sealed off to commuters.
I heard accounts of "close-calls", of bullets just missing commuters heads, fired in "warning" by the lone sniper overlooking the checkpoint, and when it was over, I headed home, relieved that none of those bullets had been fatal, satisfied with a job well-done, and wrote the story out.
I made it home in time to meet with a colleague from the BBC who was here on assigment for a radio program. "I just heard a 14-year-old boy was shot at Abo Holi, but the IDF hasn't yet confirmed it," she said.
I checked my sources. I called the hospitals, the families in Dair al-Balah, and sure enough, 14-year old Raghed al-Masri was brutally {blocked}ed, as he was waiting with his family in a taxi at Abo Holi. But the world's media was too busy covering a press conference Abbas was holding in Gaza, and a meeting between Hamas and Egyptian delegates on the fate of he dubious "ceasefire".
Read More (With Photos)
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4014.shtml
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Answer: when the 6 millionth Muslim has been ethnically cleansed from Palestine.
For more information:
http://ifamericansknew.org/
despite some of the looney postings, there are some great articles/announcements here, thanks
In spite of the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, scheluded for next month, attacks continue. Why don't the Palestinians give peace a chance?
Weekend Shelling Attacks - A Timeline
07:09 Jul 17, '05
Following is a listing of Kassam rocket and mortar
shell attacks against Jewish
communities in Gaza and the Negev which occurred on Friday and
Saturday.
06:00 – five mortar shells landed in Gush Katif
07:50 – six Kassam rockets landed in Sderot
10:00 – two mortar shells landed in the Gadid hothouses
10:45 – one Kassam rocket landed in the Sderot Cemetery
11:20 – four mortar shells landed in N’vei Dekalim, one striking a
home
11:21 – one mortar shell landed in Moshav Gadid
11:51 – one mortar shell landed in Alei Sinai
15:20 – one mortar shell landed near Gadid
16:05 – one mortar shell landed in N’vei Dekalim striking the
Azzoun home
16:45 – three Kassam rockets landed in Sderot
16:47 – two mortar shells landed in N’vei Dekalim hitting the
Levine home
16:48 – one mortar shells landed near Erez Crossing
17:30 – one Kassam rocket landed near Gavim Junction in the Negev
17:40 – three mortar shells landed in Atzmona and Rafah Yam
18:00 – one mortar shell landed at Erez Crossing
18:30 – one Kassam rocket landed in an open field near Sderot
18:33 – one mortar shell landed in N’vei Dekalim
18:48 – one mortar shell landed near Netzarim
19:24 – one mortar shell landed near Nisanit
20:20 – three mortar shells landed in Nisanit
21:13 – one mortar shell landed in an army position adjacent to
Kibbutz Nahal Oz
22:10 – one mortar shell landed near Atzmona
23:40 – one Kassam rocket landed near Nativ Ha’Asarah in the
western Negev
23:41 – one Kassam rocket landed near Nativ Ha’Asarah in the
western Negev
23:45 – one mortar shell landed near Kfar Darom
SATURDAY
01:36 – one mortar shell landed in Kfar Darom
01:38 – one mortar shell landed in Muwasi area of Gush Katif
02:00 – one mortar shell landed in Ganei Tal
02:37 – one mortar shell landed near Tel Katifa
02:57 – one mortar shell landed near Rafiah Yam
02:57 – one mortar shell landed near Atzmona
03:00 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot damaging a community
pool
04:15 – two Kassam rockets landed near Nahal Oz
07:20 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot. 4 persons treated for
hysteria
08:05 – three mortar shells landed in Netzarim hothouses
10:47 – one Kassam rocket landed near Kibbutz Or HaNer in Negev
13:30 – one mortar shell landed near Netzarim
15:45 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot. Hysteria victims
19:30 – a Kassam rocket landed in Kibbutz Miflasim in the Negev
19:40 – two mortar shells landed in Nisanit. 2 lightly injured –
11 hysteria victims
22:42 – one Kassam rocket landed in Sderot
Weekend Shelling Attacks - A Timeline
07:09 Jul 17, '05
Following is a listing of Kassam rocket and mortar
shell attacks against Jewish
communities in Gaza and the Negev which occurred on Friday and
Saturday.
06:00 – five mortar shells landed in Gush Katif
07:50 – six Kassam rockets landed in Sderot
10:00 – two mortar shells landed in the Gadid hothouses
10:45 – one Kassam rocket landed in the Sderot Cemetery
11:20 – four mortar shells landed in N’vei Dekalim, one striking a
home
11:21 – one mortar shell landed in Moshav Gadid
11:51 – one mortar shell landed in Alei Sinai
15:20 – one mortar shell landed near Gadid
16:05 – one mortar shell landed in N’vei Dekalim striking the
Azzoun home
16:45 – three Kassam rockets landed in Sderot
16:47 – two mortar shells landed in N’vei Dekalim hitting the
Levine home
16:48 – one mortar shells landed near Erez Crossing
17:30 – one Kassam rocket landed near Gavim Junction in the Negev
17:40 – three mortar shells landed in Atzmona and Rafah Yam
18:00 – one mortar shell landed at Erez Crossing
18:30 – one Kassam rocket landed in an open field near Sderot
18:33 – one mortar shell landed in N’vei Dekalim
18:48 – one mortar shell landed near Netzarim
19:24 – one mortar shell landed near Nisanit
20:20 – three mortar shells landed in Nisanit
21:13 – one mortar shell landed in an army position adjacent to
Kibbutz Nahal Oz
22:10 – one mortar shell landed near Atzmona
23:40 – one Kassam rocket landed near Nativ Ha’Asarah in the
western Negev
23:41 – one Kassam rocket landed near Nativ Ha’Asarah in the
western Negev
23:45 – one mortar shell landed near Kfar Darom
SATURDAY
01:36 – one mortar shell landed in Kfar Darom
01:38 – one mortar shell landed in Muwasi area of Gush Katif
02:00 – one mortar shell landed in Ganei Tal
02:37 – one mortar shell landed near Tel Katifa
02:57 – one mortar shell landed near Rafiah Yam
02:57 – one mortar shell landed near Atzmona
03:00 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot damaging a community
pool
04:15 – two Kassam rockets landed near Nahal Oz
07:20 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot. 4 persons treated for
hysteria
08:05 – three mortar shells landed in Netzarim hothouses
10:47 – one Kassam rocket landed near Kibbutz Or HaNer in Negev
13:30 – one mortar shell landed near Netzarim
15:45 – two Kassam rockets landed in Sderot. Hysteria victims
19:30 – a Kassam rocket landed in Kibbutz Miflasim in the Negev
19:40 – two mortar shells landed in Nisanit. 2 lightly injured –
11 hysteria victims
22:42 – one Kassam rocket landed in Sderot
Is that person paid to advertise their website,"If Americans only Knew"? Is this an ad? Why does it pop up in every discussion the even touches on Israel??
Do you assume it's paid--this is a very informative link
ifamericansknew.org/
ifamericansknew.org/
Because its a sleazy thing to do. Besides that, its a shallow and mis-informative website.
For more information:
http://www.palsolidarity.org/
What, no link to the David Duke site? But I see quotes or near quotes from it on this site all the time!
Appreciated...
Here's another informative site:
http://www.bigcampaign.org/
The olive oil from Palestine they're offering looks delicious!
http://www.bigcampaign.org/
The olive oil from Palestine they're offering looks delicious!
For more information:
http://www.bigcampaign.org/
" The olive oil from Palestine they're offering looks delicious!"
LOL!!!! Olive oil on the internet looks delicious!! (because it's made by little old palestinians) hahahahaaaaa
LOL!!!! Olive oil on the internet looks delicious!! (because it's made by little old palestinians) hahahahaaaaa
I keep getting forwarded to a site asking me to buy pizza for some terrorist group. WTF? Should I buy them a bacon-and-shrimp pie?
For more information:
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
There is something I don't understand. If there are a million Arabs living in Israel, why do they stay? Why don't they move to an Arab nation ? Are they forbidden to leave by Israel? Will they move to Palestine once its a state?
There is something I don't understand. If there are a million Arabs living in Israel, why do they stay? Why don't they move to an Arab nation ? Are they forbidden to leave by Israel? Will they move to Palestine once its a state?
check out http://www.Jihadwatch.com
Spotlight: Hamas
Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the creation of an Islamic state in mandatory Palestine . The group is unlikely to moderate its platform or meaningfully participate in the peace process in the foreseeable future. Consequently, Hamas will continue to be a well-positioned obstacle to a lasting settlement in Palestine , and by extension, a danger to American interests in the region and beyond. The Israeli assassinations of senior leaders has both enraged and handicapped Hamas. Nevertheless, as two recent suicide bombings in Beersheba suggest, Hamas remains operationally resilient and determined to make its presence felt as Israel contemplates its “unilateral disengagement” from Gaza and areas of the West Bank . The popularity of Hamas among Palestinians continues to grow, and it is unclear how Israel ’s planned withdrawal will impact its base of support.
Hamas coalesced as an organization in 1987 during the first Intifada. Its birth posed a challenge to Israeli security as well as to the primacy of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in the Palestinian national movement. Hamas established itself as a militant and Islamic alternative to the PLO, expanding into the void left by the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon , its relative weakness in the occupied territories, and its subsequent participation in the peace process.
Hamas is the Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement. The Islamic context of its platform has two important implications. First, it provides Hamas with an organic connection to Palestinian society that is not necessarily available to its secular counterparts. Second, it casts the struggle against Israel as jihad (holy struggle), insinuating a connection between the destruction of the Israeli state and religious devotion. This has locked Hamas into a doctrinal position that is difficult to modify for other than tactical reasons.
If Hamas was born of the Intifada, it came of age following the 1993 Oslo agreement and the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA) in 1994. These events presented Hamas with a potential crisis of legitimacy. The group rejected the peace process, which it continues to view as a betrayal of Palestinian national aspirations. But this stance put Hamas in conflict with the PA and a significant segment of the population of the occupied territories who initially supported the Oslo process. The prospect of internecine violence loomed.
To resolve this challenge, Hamas balanced violent opposition to the peace process with coexistence with the Palestinian Authority.[1] It is a strategy that continues to satisfy both tactical and strategic aims. A modus vivendi with the PA delays a decisive showdown between the two organizations that neither would profit from. It also leaves the PA to shoulder the blame for a failure of governance and an inability to influence Israeli behavior in the occupied territories. In the meantime, Hamas continues to penetrate Palestinian society through an array of social welfare and political functions, mixing militancy with a strong social agenda. Through a sustained campaign of attacks against Israeli targets, Hamas can retard or even derail political progress with Israel .
Hamas’ uncompromising official worldview, therefore, camouflages a degree of pragmatism. In anticipation of Israeli disengagement, Hamas is reportedly also studying the possibility of joining with the PA to administer Gaza . This would be a departure indeed for Hamas. But there is, as yet, no indication that cooperation with the PA signals a meaningful modification of its obdurate long-term vision. The organization has proven adept at tactical adjustment, acquiescing to ceasefires and even informal contacts with Israel as necessity dictates. In Gaza , the move is probably designed to capitalize on Hamas’ rising popularity and promote the image that the group is responsible for the Israeli withdrawal.
Israel , in turn, is determined to destabilize Hamas before it leaves Gaza . Israeli counterterrorist operations targeting Hamas have been robust and produced short-term dividends. As part of a broader campaign of “targeted killings,” Israel assassinated two senior leaders, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his immediate successor, Abd ak Aziz Rantisi in the Spring of 2004. The killing of Yassin, the group’s spiritual leader, elicited considerable international condemnation.
The assassinations appeared to handicap Hamas, at least temporarily. Six months of quiet, however, were shattered by the bombing of two buses in Beersheba on August 31, 2004 . According to Hamas declarations, the simultaneous attacks were reprisals for the assassinations of Rantisi and Yassin. It is unlikely that the attacks in Beersheba foreshadow a return to the high operational tempo of 2002-2003. Israeli countermeasures, including a formidable military footprint in the occupied territories, are probably sufficient to prevent this. But the attacks do demonstrate that Hamas is operationally resilient, patient, and determined to exact a price in lives as Israel contemplates its disengagement.
The “targeted killings” may have had other repercussions. Though no moderate, Sheikh Yassin was more pragmatic than some of his Damascus-based colleagues. He was responsible for raising the organization’s profile as a political and social organization and rehabilitating ties with the PA after the two groups clashed in 1996. He probably also helped to reign in Hamas’ military wing, Izzadin el-Qassam. His death may have driven the more flexible Gaza-based leadership underground and strengthened the hand of the harder-line leadership based in Syria . Hamas’ key man in Damascus , Khalid Mishal, has close ties with Syria and Iran , and little interest in cooperating with the PA anywhere.[2]
Perhaps more worrying, the assassinations will perpetuate the cycle of martyrdom and revenge that has driven much Hamas violence (including the Aug. 31 bombings) and galvanized its support. In 2003, the U.S. Department of State estimated that the rank and file numbered in the tens of thousand. The number and size of its clandestine militant cells are unknown. Both have likely been supplemented with fresh devotees - according to polls taken in the occupied territories, support for Hamas has grown steadily in the wake of the assassinations. While its power base is principally in the Gaza Strip, the group has made inroads in the West Bank and is establishing itself as a more viable alternative to the Palestinian Authority. The division and corruption within existing Palestinian institutions will reinforce this. Though the degree to which most Palestinians share Hamas’ vision of an Islamic state is uncertain, continued gains will come at the expense of secular factions like Fatah.
In short, while Hamas appears to be handicapped militarily, politically, the picture looks rosier. The PA is not capable of containing Hamas, and suggestions of a partnership between the two in Gaza have more to do with Hamas’ strength and the Paletsinian Authority’s weakness. If the balance of power has indeed shifted to the leadership in Damascus , then there is every reason to believe that the group’s rejectionist vigor has been reinforced. From the perspective of the “outside” leadership, there are few downsides to continued violence, even if they precipitate Israeli reprisals. And if Hamas succeeds in portraying the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza as a retreat, much as Hezbollah did in south Lebanon , then its base of support will expand further. Under these circumstances, a meaningful return to the peace process seems unlikely.
[1] See Shaul Mishal and Avraham Sela, The Palestinian Hamas, Vision, Violence, and Coexistence ( New York : Columbia University Press, 2000).
[2] “The Hamas Factor, Counter-terrorism and Israel ’s Gaza Withdrawal,” Strategic Comments, Volume 10, Issue 4, May 2004.
Author(s): Michael Donovan, Ph.D
Spotlight: Hamas
Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the creation of an Islamic state in mandatory Palestine . The group is unlikely to moderate its platform or meaningfully participate in the peace process in the foreseeable future. Consequently, Hamas will continue to be a well-positioned obstacle to a lasting settlement in Palestine , and by extension, a danger to American interests in the region and beyond. The Israeli assassinations of senior leaders has both enraged and handicapped Hamas. Nevertheless, as two recent suicide bombings in Beersheba suggest, Hamas remains operationally resilient and determined to make its presence felt as Israel contemplates its “unilateral disengagement” from Gaza and areas of the West Bank . The popularity of Hamas among Palestinians continues to grow, and it is unclear how Israel ’s planned withdrawal will impact its base of support.
Hamas coalesced as an organization in 1987 during the first Intifada. Its birth posed a challenge to Israeli security as well as to the primacy of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in the Palestinian national movement. Hamas established itself as a militant and Islamic alternative to the PLO, expanding into the void left by the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon , its relative weakness in the occupied territories, and its subsequent participation in the peace process.
Hamas is the Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement. The Islamic context of its platform has two important implications. First, it provides Hamas with an organic connection to Palestinian society that is not necessarily available to its secular counterparts. Second, it casts the struggle against Israel as jihad (holy struggle), insinuating a connection between the destruction of the Israeli state and religious devotion. This has locked Hamas into a doctrinal position that is difficult to modify for other than tactical reasons.
If Hamas was born of the Intifada, it came of age following the 1993 Oslo agreement and the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA) in 1994. These events presented Hamas with a potential crisis of legitimacy. The group rejected the peace process, which it continues to view as a betrayal of Palestinian national aspirations. But this stance put Hamas in conflict with the PA and a significant segment of the population of the occupied territories who initially supported the Oslo process. The prospect of internecine violence loomed.
To resolve this challenge, Hamas balanced violent opposition to the peace process with coexistence with the Palestinian Authority.[1] It is a strategy that continues to satisfy both tactical and strategic aims. A modus vivendi with the PA delays a decisive showdown between the two organizations that neither would profit from. It also leaves the PA to shoulder the blame for a failure of governance and an inability to influence Israeli behavior in the occupied territories. In the meantime, Hamas continues to penetrate Palestinian society through an array of social welfare and political functions, mixing militancy with a strong social agenda. Through a sustained campaign of attacks against Israeli targets, Hamas can retard or even derail political progress with Israel .
Hamas’ uncompromising official worldview, therefore, camouflages a degree of pragmatism. In anticipation of Israeli disengagement, Hamas is reportedly also studying the possibility of joining with the PA to administer Gaza . This would be a departure indeed for Hamas. But there is, as yet, no indication that cooperation with the PA signals a meaningful modification of its obdurate long-term vision. The organization has proven adept at tactical adjustment, acquiescing to ceasefires and even informal contacts with Israel as necessity dictates. In Gaza , the move is probably designed to capitalize on Hamas’ rising popularity and promote the image that the group is responsible for the Israeli withdrawal.
Israel , in turn, is determined to destabilize Hamas before it leaves Gaza . Israeli counterterrorist operations targeting Hamas have been robust and produced short-term dividends. As part of a broader campaign of “targeted killings,” Israel assassinated two senior leaders, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his immediate successor, Abd ak Aziz Rantisi in the Spring of 2004. The killing of Yassin, the group’s spiritual leader, elicited considerable international condemnation.
The assassinations appeared to handicap Hamas, at least temporarily. Six months of quiet, however, were shattered by the bombing of two buses in Beersheba on August 31, 2004 . According to Hamas declarations, the simultaneous attacks were reprisals for the assassinations of Rantisi and Yassin. It is unlikely that the attacks in Beersheba foreshadow a return to the high operational tempo of 2002-2003. Israeli countermeasures, including a formidable military footprint in the occupied territories, are probably sufficient to prevent this. But the attacks do demonstrate that Hamas is operationally resilient, patient, and determined to exact a price in lives as Israel contemplates its disengagement.
The “targeted killings” may have had other repercussions. Though no moderate, Sheikh Yassin was more pragmatic than some of his Damascus-based colleagues. He was responsible for raising the organization’s profile as a political and social organization and rehabilitating ties with the PA after the two groups clashed in 1996. He probably also helped to reign in Hamas’ military wing, Izzadin el-Qassam. His death may have driven the more flexible Gaza-based leadership underground and strengthened the hand of the harder-line leadership based in Syria . Hamas’ key man in Damascus , Khalid Mishal, has close ties with Syria and Iran , and little interest in cooperating with the PA anywhere.[2]
Perhaps more worrying, the assassinations will perpetuate the cycle of martyrdom and revenge that has driven much Hamas violence (including the Aug. 31 bombings) and galvanized its support. In 2003, the U.S. Department of State estimated that the rank and file numbered in the tens of thousand. The number and size of its clandestine militant cells are unknown. Both have likely been supplemented with fresh devotees - according to polls taken in the occupied territories, support for Hamas has grown steadily in the wake of the assassinations. While its power base is principally in the Gaza Strip, the group has made inroads in the West Bank and is establishing itself as a more viable alternative to the Palestinian Authority. The division and corruption within existing Palestinian institutions will reinforce this. Though the degree to which most Palestinians share Hamas’ vision of an Islamic state is uncertain, continued gains will come at the expense of secular factions like Fatah.
In short, while Hamas appears to be handicapped militarily, politically, the picture looks rosier. The PA is not capable of containing Hamas, and suggestions of a partnership between the two in Gaza have more to do with Hamas’ strength and the Paletsinian Authority’s weakness. If the balance of power has indeed shifted to the leadership in Damascus , then there is every reason to believe that the group’s rejectionist vigor has been reinforced. From the perspective of the “outside” leadership, there are few downsides to continued violence, even if they precipitate Israeli reprisals. And if Hamas succeeds in portraying the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza as a retreat, much as Hezbollah did in south Lebanon , then its base of support will expand further. Under these circumstances, a meaningful return to the peace process seems unlikely.
[1] See Shaul Mishal and Avraham Sela, The Palestinian Hamas, Vision, Violence, and Coexistence ( New York : Columbia University Press, 2000).
[2] “The Hamas Factor, Counter-terrorism and Israel ’s Gaza Withdrawal,” Strategic Comments, Volume 10, Issue 4, May 2004.
Author(s): Michael Donovan, Ph.D
The posting is about Israeli massacres, but most of the responses have been 1. Spam, re-routing us to a site to purchase pizza and support Israeli 'Defense' Forces 2. Anti-Hamas essay 3. Questions about Arabs
??????????? Why no discussion about the actual content of the posting?
??????????? Why no discussion about the actual content of the posting?
Actually the original post was about Gaza and when might there bepeace. Responsive posts including quotes from Golda Meir have been deleted. but"There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more then they hate us". Or maybe whena Jew can walk down the streets of Gaza City as safely as an Arab on the streets of Tel Aviv. When the Arab hate stops
All the world saw the horror on TV: a Palestinian boy lying on the ground, unconscious. An Israeli soldier bending over him, not knowing what to do. A settler coming up from behind and throwing a stone at the head of the injured Palestinian. Another settler dropping a big stone on him at point-blank range. A bearded medic, also a settler, approaches the wounded boy, hesitates, and then goes away without treating him, pursued by the chants of a chorus of settler boys and girls: "Let him die! Let him die!"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00028.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00028.htm
For more information:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S000...
and those settlers were arrested by the Israeli authorities. If the situation had been reversed, the Palestinians would be rewarding the stone throwers. That tells us whichside is moving towards peace, and which side is an obstacle.
The Palestinian Interior Ministry said in a statement that Yazan Mohamed Mussa, 12, was killed due to an atrocious crime committed by two Israeli settlers.
The incident took place late Wednesday in a Palestinian town next to the Jewish settlement of Shiloh in the northern West Bank.
Witnesses reported the stabbing to the Police, and Mussa was rushed to a hospital in Nablus, where he died.
Doctors said Mussa was stabbed 12 times.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9277
The incident took place late Wednesday in a Palestinian town next to the Jewish settlement of Shiloh in the northern West Bank.
Witnesses reported the stabbing to the Police, and Mussa was rushed to a hospital in Nablus, where he died.
Doctors said Mussa was stabbed 12 times.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9277
For more information:
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID...
"were arrested by the Israeli authorities."
Still waiting...
Still waiting...
For more information:
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
The story re:"Israaeli settlers stabbing Yazan Mohamed Mussa, 12, to death" has proven to be a false story. It turnsout that the boy was killed in a ddispute between rival clans.I suspect that this lie was fabricated in an effort to seek monetary compensation from Israel. Better jouranlism requires checking stories, and not just parroting lies.
Occupation 101
by tia Thursday, Jul. 21, 2005 at 6:15 PM
<<There is something I don't understand. If there are a million Arabs living in Israel, why do they stay? Why don't they move to an Arab nation ? Are they forbidden to leave by Israel? Will they move to Palestine once its a state?>>
Because its THEIR LAND, not yours, twit.
by tia Thursday, Jul. 21, 2005 at 6:15 PM
<<There is something I don't understand. If there are a million Arabs living in Israel, why do they stay? Why don't they move to an Arab nation ? Are they forbidden to leave by Israel? Will they move to Palestine once its a state?>>
Because its THEIR LAND, not yours, twit.
Israeli Arabs like Israel. Even though it's a Jewish state, and they are free to leave, they don't want to. Because life is good there and better than in most of the rest of the middle east.
You read all these horrible anti-israel articles accusing israel of being evil and stuff, yet israeli arabs are fine and have no interest in leaving. They aren't dying. They're fine. It's just massive anti-israel propaganda that wants to scare the world.
You read all these horrible anti-israel articles accusing israel of being evil and stuff, yet israeli arabs are fine and have no interest in leaving. They aren't dying. They're fine. It's just massive anti-israel propaganda that wants to scare the world.
your quote.."You read all these horrible anti-israel articles accusing israel of being evil and stuff, yet israeli arabs are fine and have no interest in leaving. They aren't dying. They're fine. It's just massive anti-israel propaganda that wants to scare the world."
This is far too general, refute the articles or the points in them that are critical of Israeli policies rather than making sweeping generalizations of "anti-israrl propaganda".
This is far too general, refute the articles or the points in them that are critical of Israeli policies rather than making sweeping generalizations of "anti-israrl propaganda".
When I have time, I do. Since the points made against Israel are typically without merit, its easy. Since any post thats not vehemently anti-Israel gets deleted, theres a good chance that you'll never see them. Sometimes, only the anti-semitic name calling responsive post is left up.
Here's another great link about the victims of Israeli state terror*.
http://www.pmwatch.com/
An AIPAC shill will be along shortly to explain why murdering Palestinian civilians is a good thing.
* Paid for by US tax dollars.
http://www.pmwatch.com/
An AIPAC shill will be along shortly to explain why murdering Palestinian civilians is a good thing.
* Paid for by US tax dollars.
For more information:
http://www.pmwatch.com/
Alot of folks do volunteer service in the IDf for a month or so.
sorry but my posts kept getting shitcanned. I better stick to the subject and talk about all the good things Hitler did, I mean Arafat, or was it Hamas?
Anyway Israel has no right to exist, there should be no jewish state and, get this, killing jewish kids is okay and condoned.
I don't really feel that way, but have no will of my own, and will go with the crowd at this site. You know, close my eyes and ears when the truth does not support the reality I want.
BTW, Nahal is a brigade in the IDF. It was the fighting pioneer youth and was taxed with defending settlements. That changed during the 90s reorganization.
Anyway Israel has no right to exist, there should be no jewish state and, get this, killing jewish kids is okay and condoned.
I don't really feel that way, but have no will of my own, and will go with the crowd at this site. You know, close my eyes and ears when the truth does not support the reality I want.
BTW, Nahal is a brigade in the IDF. It was the fighting pioneer youth and was taxed with defending settlements. That changed during the 90s reorganization.
Why don't you take 'proud jew' up on the offer?
I'm committed to stay in Afghanistan for another 6 months. Will do what I can after that. Thanks for asking. Having too much fun working with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and the 1er Regiment Parachutise Infanterie Marine, oh and the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Kandahar is lovely this time of year, won't you come and visit?
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