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Civil rights groups contest FBI on Lodi arrests
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Northern California and the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights have filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get records related to the arrest of five Lodi, Calif., men on terrorism charges.
The groups are seeking FBI records about the procedures used during the questioning and detention of dozens of Muslims in Lodi following the arrest of the five, who are being held without bail in the Sacramento County Jail.
The civil rights groups say the records being sought relate to “the loss of substantial due process rights,” such as individuals’ rights to access to attorneys, translators, medical attention and freedom from inappropriate government surveillance.
Media reports have carried allegations that 23-year-old Hamid Hayat attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan and that his father, Umer Hayat, a 47-year-old ice cream truck driver, was the mastermind of a terrorist cell.
However, the government has charged the Hayats only with lying to federal investigators about Hamid Hayat’s itinerary during a recent visit to Pakistan. Three other Lodi-area Pakistanis were detained on suspected immigration violations. None of the five have been charged with carrying out or planning to carry out any violent act.
“The Muslim community in Lodi has been living in fear,” said Basim Elkarra of the Council on American-Islamic Relations of Sacramento Valley (CAIR-SV) at a press conference on June 16. “Many have stopped attending the mosque for daily prayer because of helicopter surveillance of the mosque, and agents around it,” he added.
Several speakers referred to the FBI invading the home of the arrested men with guns drawn, although they knew that only women and children were present. When an 11-year-old girl passed out, the agents refused to allow medical personnel to have access to her.
“The FBI has told witnesses that they don’t have any right to an attorney,” said Mark Schlosberg of the Northern California ACLU. ACLU members in Lodi were also followed and photographed by the FBI, he said.
A CAIR Town Hall “Know Your Rights” meeting on June 11 in nearby Stockton was also spied on by FBI agents in cars circling the building and taking pictures, said Shirin Sinar, an attorney with the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights.
Marwa Elzankaly, president of the Bay Area Association of Muslim Lawyers, said she had spent the last week in Lodi. “People were interrogated for hours at a time without access to their lawyers. At the same time, the FBI told the lawyers that their clients were not there,” she told the press.
One Muslim was threatened with arrest for jaywalking if he did not consent to be questioned without an attorney. Many in the Muslim community don’t have financial resources and don’t speak English, she said.
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/7275/1/275/
The civil rights groups say the records being sought relate to “the loss of substantial due process rights,” such as individuals’ rights to access to attorneys, translators, medical attention and freedom from inappropriate government surveillance.
Media reports have carried allegations that 23-year-old Hamid Hayat attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan and that his father, Umer Hayat, a 47-year-old ice cream truck driver, was the mastermind of a terrorist cell.
However, the government has charged the Hayats only with lying to federal investigators about Hamid Hayat’s itinerary during a recent visit to Pakistan. Three other Lodi-area Pakistanis were detained on suspected immigration violations. None of the five have been charged with carrying out or planning to carry out any violent act.
“The Muslim community in Lodi has been living in fear,” said Basim Elkarra of the Council on American-Islamic Relations of Sacramento Valley (CAIR-SV) at a press conference on June 16. “Many have stopped attending the mosque for daily prayer because of helicopter surveillance of the mosque, and agents around it,” he added.
Several speakers referred to the FBI invading the home of the arrested men with guns drawn, although they knew that only women and children were present. When an 11-year-old girl passed out, the agents refused to allow medical personnel to have access to her.
“The FBI has told witnesses that they don’t have any right to an attorney,” said Mark Schlosberg of the Northern California ACLU. ACLU members in Lodi were also followed and photographed by the FBI, he said.
A CAIR Town Hall “Know Your Rights” meeting on June 11 in nearby Stockton was also spied on by FBI agents in cars circling the building and taking pictures, said Shirin Sinar, an attorney with the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights.
Marwa Elzankaly, president of the Bay Area Association of Muslim Lawyers, said she had spent the last week in Lodi. “People were interrogated for hours at a time without access to their lawyers. At the same time, the FBI told the lawyers that their clients were not there,” she told the press.
One Muslim was threatened with arrest for jaywalking if he did not consent to be questioned without an attorney. Many in the Muslim community don’t have financial resources and don’t speak English, she said.
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/7275/1/275/
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Moslem drama queens.
The ACLU should help to protect the rest of us!
The ACLU should help to protect the rest of us!
" The ACLU should help to protect the rest of us!"
So you are saying the ACLU should just protect white people or just protect nonMuslims?
So you are saying the ACLU should just protect white people or just protect nonMuslims?
" So you are saying the ACLU should just protect white people or just protect nonMuslims?"
Why does the ACLU consistently defend the enemies of the USA?
They were active in the Portland 7 case. Moslems claimed discrimination, they marched appealed to the public for the poor victims. Blah blah blah. Turns out, the poor moslem victims of the big bad evil government admitted their desire to murder Jewish children and kill other Americans as well. Thankfully they'll remain in Federal prison for a very long time. Masha'allah, they were caught before they fulfilled their wish to massacre Jewish kids.
And the Chinese wouldn't let them into Afghanistan.
Why does the ACLU consistently defend the enemies of the USA?
They were active in the Portland 7 case. Moslems claimed discrimination, they marched appealed to the public for the poor victims. Blah blah blah. Turns out, the poor moslem victims of the big bad evil government admitted their desire to murder Jewish children and kill other Americans as well. Thankfully they'll remain in Federal prison for a very long time. Masha'allah, they were caught before they fulfilled their wish to massacre Jewish kids.
And the Chinese wouldn't let them into Afghanistan.
" Why does the ACLU consistently defend the enemies of the USA? "
That would be asking why those pushing for free speech in China always seem to be supporting dissidents who oppose the Chinese government.
The whole idea of Civil Liberties is to defend people whose rights are being violated by the state. The ACLU has defended left wing protesters, right wing fascists (like the right for the KK to speak and Rush Limbaughs right to privacy http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14698&c=27 ) and others. When racist FBI agents decide that all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent you expect Civil Liberty gorups to ignore the racism in the FBI and just allow them to round up Muslims on flimsy charges?
That would be asking why those pushing for free speech in China always seem to be supporting dissidents who oppose the Chinese government.
The whole idea of Civil Liberties is to defend people whose rights are being violated by the state. The ACLU has defended left wing protesters, right wing fascists (like the right for the KK to speak and Rush Limbaughs right to privacy http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14698&c=27 ) and others. When racist FBI agents decide that all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent you expect Civil Liberty gorups to ignore the racism in the FBI and just allow them to round up Muslims on flimsy charges?
"That would be asking why those pushing for free speech in China always seem to be supporting dissidents who oppose the Chinese government."
This is hardly an equation. There are "peaceloving moslems" among us, who want to kill us. The kid caught in Lodi planned to target hospitals and supermarkets. This is not racial profiling. It's capturing someone who plans to murder Americans.
Political dissent and planned acts of murder are two different issues.
This is hardly an equation. There are "peaceloving moslems" among us, who want to kill us. The kid caught in Lodi planned to target hospitals and supermarkets. This is not racial profiling. It's capturing someone who plans to murder Americans.
Political dissent and planned acts of murder are two different issues.
"The kid caught in Lodi planned to target hospitals and supermarkets."
Even the FBI hasn't claimed this. They leaked this to the press and then didnt include it in the charges presented to the court.
Let's say the FBI did claim this... would you oppose giving someone representation to refute such charges? If I were in the FBI and accused you of being seriel killer, would you want the right to defend yourself against the charges and when you did present a defense would you like it if a thrid party came in and accused your lawyers of supporting seriel killers by defending you?
You "hangeemhigh" thing makes you sound like a southern KKK member wanting to string up minorities for fun. Nothing has been proved against the people in the Lodi case and for now they are just charged with lying (not trying to kill people), but you already want to get a lynch mob to string them up...
Even the FBI hasn't claimed this. They leaked this to the press and then didnt include it in the charges presented to the court.
Let's say the FBI did claim this... would you oppose giving someone representation to refute such charges? If I were in the FBI and accused you of being seriel killer, would you want the right to defend yourself against the charges and when you did present a defense would you like it if a thrid party came in and accused your lawyers of supporting seriel killers by defending you?
You "hangeemhigh" thing makes you sound like a southern KKK member wanting to string up minorities for fun. Nothing has been proved against the people in the Lodi case and for now they are just charged with lying (not trying to kill people), but you already want to get a lynch mob to string them up...
" You "hangeemhigh" thing makes you sound like a southern KKK member wanting to string up minorities for fun. "
Don't be nice to these bastards.
Don't be nice to these bastards.
" Don't be nice to these bastards."
Who? Innocent Muslims who were mainly arrested partly to help add a few lines to a Patriot Act speech Bush was giving later in the week?
Were the Hayat's found with access to any guns, explosives or anything that would have allowed Hamid to have dome anything? No. The only real claim is that Hamid went to Pakistan to attend a religious summer school thing in Pakistan (probably because his father thought he was hanging out with a bad crowd and smoking too much pot); chance are it wasn't a training camp for anything and at most random students or teachers may have spoken out against the US (Which is why either Umer or Hamid are charged with any crimes related to Hamid's trip). The FBI doesnt really care since it wants the arrests even if it knows that in this case there was no danger from either Umer or Hamid. If you have seen any of the local news coverage of this you can see how ridiculous this who thing is; while the media is being told about "terrorists" the news crew interviewed a relative who was being followed around by umarked cars (that the TV crew assumed weere the FBI), but the main statements from the skater punk looking relative were on the order of "Dude this shit is fucked up".
Who? Innocent Muslims who were mainly arrested partly to help add a few lines to a Patriot Act speech Bush was giving later in the week?
Were the Hayat's found with access to any guns, explosives or anything that would have allowed Hamid to have dome anything? No. The only real claim is that Hamid went to Pakistan to attend a religious summer school thing in Pakistan (probably because his father thought he was hanging out with a bad crowd and smoking too much pot); chance are it wasn't a training camp for anything and at most random students or teachers may have spoken out against the US (Which is why either Umer or Hamid are charged with any crimes related to Hamid's trip). The FBI doesnt really care since it wants the arrests even if it knows that in this case there was no danger from either Umer or Hamid. If you have seen any of the local news coverage of this you can see how ridiculous this who thing is; while the media is being told about "terrorists" the news crew interviewed a relative who was being followed around by umarked cars (that the TV crew assumed weere the FBI), but the main statements from the skater punk looking relative were on the order of "Dude this shit is fucked up".
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Who? Innocent Muslims who were mainly arrested partly to help add a few lines to a Patriot Act speech Bush was giving later in the week?"
No, the guilty ones that were also arrested due to the PATRIOT ACT.
Who? Innocent Muslims who were mainly arrested partly to help add a few lines to a Patriot Act speech Bush was giving later in the week?"
No, the guilty ones that were also arrested due to the PATRIOT ACT.
Foreign Muslims are welcome to live among us as long as they behave themselves. We have no obligation to let them impose barbarian nonsense such as Sharia here. If they don't like it here, they are free to leave, unlike the women of Saudi Arabia who are slaves in their own country. Islam can be tolerant when Muslims abide by our rules. Jihad is never going to be tolerated. Act up too much and you will be surprised how little patience your neighbors have with you.
Hamid Hayat isnt accused of waging Jihad, he probably went to a Muslim sumer camp in Pakistan because his dad felt he was hangin with teh wrong crowd. The reason the FBI may get a conviction is because they engaged in hours of intimidating interrogation and got him to contradict himself thus allowing them to chrage him with lying (thats why nobody should ever say a word to an FBI agent). They leaked some bulllshit about him being trained to engage in attacks against the US but what most likely took place was a lot less exciting as can be seen from the chrages; aside from lying neither Haid or his father did anything illegal. The leaked stuff about plots against the US probably adds up to charging a foreign kid going to a US boyscout camp with terrorism because some racit kid at camp listened to Savage Nation which jokes about nuking Mecca; remember Hamid isnt chared with actually plotting, he has no access to any of the materials that were in the leaked stuff and he didnt do anything wrong when he returned to the US.
"Hamid Hayat isnt accused of waging Jihad, he probably went to a Muslim sumer camp in Pakistan"
Yeah, that's it, Islamic summer camp in Pakistan...LOL!!!!!
Merit Badges at Islamic Summer Camp:
Blowing up buses
Blowing up schools
Blowing up hospitals
Blowing up supermarkets
Poisoning water supplies
Beheading
How to recognize a Jew
How to recognize Kafir
Suicide attacks (merit badges are awarded posthumously)
Yeah, that's it, Islamic summer camp in Pakistan...LOL!!!!!
Merit Badges at Islamic Summer Camp:
Blowing up buses
Blowing up schools
Blowing up hospitals
Blowing up supermarkets
Poisoning water supplies
Beheading
How to recognize a Jew
How to recognize Kafir
Suicide attacks (merit badges are awarded posthumously)
Uncle Satan's (Bush) Fascist Bureau of Inquisition (The FBI) need to supply their Propuganda Ministry with Justification For War Crimes. This they do by Arresting a Muslim on Trumped Up Charges, and then waving them at the USSA on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, AP, and Fox News. By screaming "Dirty Muslim" they supply the USSA with a 'Story' of their choosing. And the Torture Scandal, The Downing Street Memo, The Bush Depression, and other Issues are kept from sight.
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