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UCSF dog experiments going through
We recently learned that "Dr" Jeffrey Olgin has began to acquire dogs for his "project" that would abuse and kill 550 dogs at UCSF. He also has another approved project coming up that would do something similar to 200 additional dogs. Can you imagine how many cages and pacemakers they are going to get? These dogs will suffer terribly because their hearts will be sped up to dangerous speeds by pacemakers. Some will even have portions of their hearts destroyed. What he/they are trying to do is see how far they can stretch it before the dogs die. It can range from a few days to 6 months, depending on how fast they set the pacemakers or they could have other complications of infections from the implants. Perhaps all the dogs will be housed at the brand new Mission Bay campus, which is nearly built if not already completely built, as there must not be much room left for cages in the old campus. But at any rate we know that they have begun the process of buying dogs and I'm sure cages, too.
This is very sad even after we complained to the chancellor, who according to UCSF (as well as according to the Regents) is the only person who can stop any experiment. It appears they have decided not to stop it, even after we have pointed out how useless and foolish the experiments are because dog hearts are very different from human hearts from its shape down to its cells and chemistry. They still plan to carry it through.
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http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2694&category_id=58
This is very sad even after we complained to the chancellor, who according to UCSF (as well as according to the Regents) is the only person who can stop any experiment. It appears they have decided not to stop it, even after we have pointed out how useless and foolish the experiments are because dog hearts are very different from human hearts from its shape down to its cells and chemistry. They still plan to carry it through.
for more info see:
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2694&category_id=58
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Unless you are a trained scientist, working in the field and up to date on the literature, you are not qualified to pass that judgment. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
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it has been proven by "trained scientist" that these are useless and foolish experimants . . .and thats what these are useless and foolish and you don't even need to be a trained scientist to know that . . .
I personally dont care about Dogs.
If 550 dogs must die to save a humans life I say go for it.
If you dont like it, I dont care.
My Mind is Closed so theres no sense trying to change it.
If 550 dogs must die to save a humans life I say go for it.
If you dont like it, I dont care.
My Mind is Closed so theres no sense trying to change it.
>it has been proven by "trained scientist" that these are useless and foolish experimants
(1.) Which one? Cite your source.
(2.) The vast, overwhelming majority of scientists in the field disagree. They know what they are talking about, You don't. You're not qualified. And yes, qualifications do count. And no, any old qualifications aren’t enough. Skills and knowledge are specific. If we were to let rocket scientists do brain surgery, people would die. Likewise, if we were to let uneducated and superstitious people like yourself decide what medical science will research and how that research will be done, we’d be back in the Middle Ages.
And you’re no rocket scientists, not even close. You’re ignorance is as appalling as your arrogance. You *dare* to presume that you have the right and the knowledge to determine how and which experiments should be done, but you can’t even spell the damn word. You’re ignorant, and your ignorance is a threat to humanity. How *dare* you stand in the way of progress at the expense of human life, and for no better reason than your own, personal religious beliefs?
It’s people like you who would ban the teaching of evolution in schools, bring back the blue laws, and take away a woman’s right to choose. You’re a wing of America’s Taliban, and what you are attempting to force upon the rest of us is pure medievalism.
It’s people like you who burned Bruno at the stake. It’s people like you who censored Galileo. It’s people like you who would have executed Da Vinci if he’d been careless enough to get caught doing autopsies. You’re an enemy of science. You’re an enemy of medicine. You’re an enemy of humanity. All righteous people oppose your agenda.
(1.) Which one? Cite your source.
(2.) The vast, overwhelming majority of scientists in the field disagree. They know what they are talking about, You don't. You're not qualified. And yes, qualifications do count. And no, any old qualifications aren’t enough. Skills and knowledge are specific. If we were to let rocket scientists do brain surgery, people would die. Likewise, if we were to let uneducated and superstitious people like yourself decide what medical science will research and how that research will be done, we’d be back in the Middle Ages.
And you’re no rocket scientists, not even close. You’re ignorance is as appalling as your arrogance. You *dare* to presume that you have the right and the knowledge to determine how and which experiments should be done, but you can’t even spell the damn word. You’re ignorant, and your ignorance is a threat to humanity. How *dare* you stand in the way of progress at the expense of human life, and for no better reason than your own, personal religious beliefs?
It’s people like you who would ban the teaching of evolution in schools, bring back the blue laws, and take away a woman’s right to choose. You’re a wing of America’s Taliban, and what you are attempting to force upon the rest of us is pure medievalism.
It’s people like you who burned Bruno at the stake. It’s people like you who censored Galileo. It’s people like you who would have executed Da Vinci if he’d been careless enough to get caught doing autopsies. You’re an enemy of science. You’re an enemy of medicine. You’re an enemy of humanity. All righteous people oppose your agenda.
you forgot to mention Hitler and Satan
and you being on the side of gumdrops and jellybeans and all that is wholesome and pure
and you being on the side of gumdrops and jellybeans and all that is wholesome and pure
it's not about me. It's about the issue. Addrees the issue.
issues like these?
"It’s people like you who would have executed Da Vinci if he’d been careless enough to get caught doing autopsies."
executing long-dead people? completely hypothetical nonsense, and I didn't read any calls for murder in this post.
you started making a debatable point about the "trained scientists" and then you go off into your straw man ad hominem attacks once again -- nothing debatable there, just your typical "any variations from my opinion means you are evil" rant
snore
"It’s people like you who would have executed Da Vinci if he’d been careless enough to get caught doing autopsies."
executing long-dead people? completely hypothetical nonsense, and I didn't read any calls for murder in this post.
you started making a debatable point about the "trained scientists" and then you go off into your straw man ad hominem attacks once again -- nothing debatable there, just your typical "any variations from my opinion means you are evil" rant
snore
No it's not. It's the lesson of history. When religious fanatics get power, this is what they do with it. It's happened before. It'll happen again. it's even happening right now. These people trash medical research. People die because some of that research could have saved their lives had it been allowed to continue. These people are killers. They are enemies, not just of science, reason and learning, but of every single person on earth who is sick or injured or will become sick or injured at some point in their lives. They're killers, and they must be stopped.
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