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Andres Raya's Parents Meet with Ceres Police
by Modesto Bee
Wednesday Jan 12th, 2005 11:09 PM
Flags lowered in Sacramento as state mourns killed police officer, no consideration of young man whose life was ruined by military service. Cops claim Raya was in a gang, his family says otherwise.
Marine's parents meet Ceres police
Effort to 'begin the healing' starts at scene of the crime


DEBBIE NODA/ THE BEE

Andres Raya's mother, Julia, holds a picture of her son while sitting next to her husband, Thomas.
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photo: A makeshift memorial has sprung up at the Ceres Police Department honoring Sgt. Howard Stevenson.
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By JOEL HOOD
BEE STAFF WRITER
Last Updated: January 12, 2005, 04:21:23 PM PST

CERES — Andres Raya's parents prayed Tuesday morning in the liquor store parking lot where, 36 hours earlier, their Marine son shot and killed a police officer and wounded another.

A law enforcement spokesman said officer Sam Ryno's condition had improved from critical to serious. Sgt. Howard Stevenson was the officer who was killed.

Tuesday night, more than 200 people gathered for a town hall meeting where Stanislaus County sheriff's Lt. Bill Heyne said authorities had yet to establish a motive for Raya's rampage, but added they do know "he wanted to die, he didn't want to go back to Iraq."

Because of rain, Raya's parents decided not to walk from the liquor store to the alley where police shot and killed their 19-year-old son in an exchange of gunfire Sunday night.

From the liquor store, the family went to a meeting with Ceres police. Raya's parents wanted to clear the air about their son's alleged gang ties, said Rosie Alvarez, Raya's cousin. And, Alvarez said, Raya's parents wanted to "begin the healing process."

Police declined to talk about the meeting. Alvarez described it as "emotional" and "tense" as both sides sought to understand why an Iraq war veteran would gun down police officers after apparently luring them to the liquor store.

It happened just after 8 p.m. Sunday in front of George's Liquors on Caswell Avenue. Raya had asked liquor store employees to call police, saying someone had shot at him.

Surveillance video shows Raya pacing as he waited for police. He pulled a rifle from under his poncho and shot Ryno, then fired at Stevenson.

The slain officer was 39 and a 20-year veteran of the Ceres Police Department.

Ryno, 50, remained hospitalized at Memorial Medical Center in Modesto. Tuesday, he was talking to fellow police officers as well as family members.

Graffiti at crime scene

Tuesday morning, Raya's family attended Mass before going to George's Liquors and the next-door tire shop, still riddled with bullet holes.

Spray-painted graffiti, much of it anti-police, appeared on both businesses and the supermarket across the street overnight, said deputy Jason Woodman, spokesman for the Sheriff's Department.

"There will always be people who will take advantage of an opportunity to benefit themselves and there are always going to be people opposed to law enforcement," Woodman said.

The Rev. Dean McFalls, who formerly served at St. Jude's Catholic Church in Ceres and is a friend of the Raya family, called the graffiti "despicable" and said it devastated the family.

"It was really, really hard to see that," said McFalls, who went to the liquor store parking lot with the family. "There is absolutely no excuse to do something like that."

Much of the graffiti had been painted over by midday. Among the remaining graffiti was a statement that simply read: "RIP Andy," the name Raya often was called by friends.

At the Police Department later that morning, a makeshift memorial grew as people dropped off flowers and photos of the two officers.

Alvarez, Raya's cousin, said police suspected Raya had gang affiliations, based on his tattoos. She acknowledged that she had not seen the tattoos, but said other family members told her that the tattoos signified "Latino and Chicano pride."

"It was a display of honor for our culture," she said. "He was not a banger. That just wasn't him."

Raya's parents said Monday that their son, when he came home for Christmas and New Year's, indicated that he did not want to go back to Iraq.

He served there for seven months, returning to the states in September, according to his family. They said he served in Fallujah.

A family member who asked not to be identified said Raya's parents never allowed guns in their home, so it was unlikely that Raya had owned the assault rifle used in the shooting for very long.

It was not a Marine-issued weapon, authorities said.

Raya used an SKS assault rifle, and it had been illegally modified with a detachable magazine, said Woodman.

He said investigators were trying to determine where Raya had obtained the weapon and could not rule out that he had an accomplice.

"We're talking to people he knew, we're talking about anything that turns up," Woodman said. "But so far we don't know much."

In an e-mail, a man identifying himself as a Marine and longtime friend of Raya's, said Raya could not have hidden the rifle at Camp Pendleton, because military police often do random checks of barracks.

The e-mailer, who asked not to be identified, said Raya served as a motor vehicle operator. And he seemed to change during his time in the Marines.

"Before he joined, he was very motivated," the e-mail stated. "The first time I saw him back (from Iraq), he wasn't so motivated. He cracked negative jokes about people who were serious. … He was negative towards the Marines. He still seemed like the same guy, he just had a hard time."

Bee staff writer Joel Hood can be reached at 238-4574 or jhood [at] modbee.com.

AT A GLANCE

FLAGS LOWERED: Gov. Schwarzenegger on Tuesday ordered flags at the Capitol to be flown at half-staff in honor of Howard Stevenson, the Ceres police sergeant shot and killed in the line of duty Sunday night. "Law enforcement officers risk their lives on a daily basis to ensure our safety and wellbeing," the governor said in a prepared statement. "The bravery in the line of duty that officer Stevenson exhibited will not be forgotten, and his courage, commitment and ultimate sacrifice to make California a safer place are deeply appreciated. Maria and I would like to send our condolences to the family and loved ones of officer Stevenson during this time of mourning."

BLOOD DRIVE: The Ceres Police Department is urging people to donate blood in the name of officer Sam Ryno, who was wounded in the same gunfight that claimed Sg. Howard Stevenson's life. An account is set up at Delta Blood Bank and people can donate at branches in Ceres, Modesto and Turlock. For more information, including hours, call 888-94BLOOD.

TRIBUTES: The Stanislaus County Board of Supervisors opened its Tuesday morning meeting with a moment of silence for slain Ceres police Sgt. Howard Stevenson and wounded officer Sam Ryno. Tuesday night, just before adjourning the Modesto City Council meeting, Mayor Jim Ridenour asked everyone in the chamber to stand for a moment of silence in Stevenson's memory. The Turlock City Council called for a moment of silence for Stevenson. Also, police Chaplain Richard Roberts, in giving the invocation that started the Turlock meeting, prayed for Stevenson and Ryno and the Ceres community.
by Michelle Malkin
Friday Jan 21st, 2005 8:17 AM
If you watched the evening news a week ago, you may recall the sensational story of a distraught Marine who died in a murderous shootout with police. Anti-war writers and Latino activists have turned the cop-killer, Lance Cpl. Andres Raya, into a martyr. Don't believe the hype.

Network and cable TV shows repeatedly broadcast video and photo stills of Raya's Jan. 9 bloody gun battle in a Ceres, Calif., liquor store. Mental health experts immediately blamed post-traumatic stress disorder. Ignoring the cold-blooded murder of one of the ambushed police officers who was lured to his death, international headlines instead trumpeted the supposedly traumatized Raya:

Teenage War Veteran Committed Suicide 'By Cop'

Marine 'Committed Suicide by Cop to Avoid Iraq Return'

Kin of Marine Who Shot Policemen Ask if He Is a Casualty of War

Young Camp Pendleton Marine who shot officers did not want to go back to Iraq.

A far Left Web site, San Francisco Bay Area Indymedia.org, posted a complaint that the California legislature -- which lowered its flags to honor slain cop Sgt. Howard Stevenson -- was showing "no consideration [for the] young man whose life was ruined by military service."

La Voz de Aztlan, a radical fringe publication by Mexican nationalists, lionized Raya and demonized police:

"One can only speculate what horrors Andres Raya experienced in Fallujah. The slaughter by U.S. occupation forces of Iraqi civilians in Fallujah has been compared to the slaughter in Guernica by Nazi forces in 1937. Many U.S. Marines with a conscious (sic) have found it very difficult to reconcile the Iraqi civilian murders in their minds and have committed suicide. U.S. Marine Andres Raya decided to take some cops with him. Most probably he was harassed by them while growing up Mexican in this small northern California town." The paper also lambasted Raya's hometown, Ceres, as "a redneck town notorious for its mistreatment of his people."

Writing in the anti-war publication CounterPunch, Jack Random lamented Raya's death as "symbolic of the untold story of war. Hundreds of thousands of trained killers survive combat only to come home to a life for which they are no longer prepared. They have seen what men and women should never see. They have engaged in operations that brought them face to face with the death of innocent civilians, women and children."

The only elements missing in the bleeding-heart coverage of Raya's story were the soundtrack to "Platoon" and a bulk order of Kleenex. There's just one thing wrong with the sympathetic spin about the anti-war Marine. It's all dead wrong.

This much is true about Raya: The 19-year-old man did in fact serve with the Marines' 1st Intelligence Battalion's motor transport unit as a driver in Iraq.

But contrary to the impression left by initial media reports, Raya had never seen combat. And he was not headed back to Iraq. He had been transferred to a new unit scheduled for deployment to Okinawa. "During our investigation, we found he wasn't due to go back to Iraq, never faced combat situations and never even fired his gun," Stanislaus County Sheriff's Deputy Jason Woodman said.

Raya was high on cocaine at the time of the ambush, according to police reports. He was reportedly affiliated with the prison gang Nuestra Familia. Investigators found photos of Raya wearing gang colors and a shopping list in his bedroom safe that included body armor, assault rifles and ammunition. Authorities also discovered a video showing Raya smoking what appears to be marijuana and making gang sign gestures. The tape showed desecrated pieces of the American flag laid on a gymnasium floor to spell out expletives directed at President Bush.

Family members deny Raya's gang ties and blame the military. Meanwhile, Raya's neighborhood was decorated with anti-cop graffiti such as "Kill the Pigs" in his memory. And militant Hispanic residents celebrate Raya. Ceres resident Hilda Mercado told The New York Times that Raya "died like a true Mexican: He died standing on his feet."

The question isn't what got into Raya when he entered the military. The question is why and how Raya -- who police say had a propensity for violence well before he joined the Marines -- got into our military in the first place.

And now you know the rest of the story.

by Robert Horton
(ShastaLaker [at] aol.com) Wednesday Jan 26th, 2005 7:15 PM
The way I feel Inside about this article,is sickened! Coming from that area in the city of Modesto,Ca and spending alot of time in Ceres,I feel strongly that this young man, Joined the Armed forces to get away from some of the gang related issues he may have been dealing with.His family members deniy this! Mr.Rayas Joined the military as a driver,never Fired his weapon, and was there for a very short time.It sounds to me that he was home on leave awaiting his orders to go to Japan, to finish his tour of dutie.He chose to stay home with his home boys,continuing to continue his old ways of life,Drug Abuse,Gang Violence Ect.I feel that he was free to use and carry a weapon in Irag,so he could do it here.He Lured those Police officers to this store,had it planned out ahead of time,and would have Killed them both,Hes a COWARD,not a true Mexican.I spent 27 months in the jungles of Veitnam as a tunnel rat! I defended this great nation.I fought with my Brothers,Mexicans,african americans,ect.Dont hand me this line,he was a true mexican,at least he stood on his own 2 feet??He was a true Coward!
by Randy Cortez
Wednesday Jan 26th, 2005 9:26 PM
Whether this kid was only a driver in the Marines or had some
other job, that fact that he joined the military during these times proves he had guts. Let this be a warning to police across the country that when they cross a certain line when dealing with civilians, a badge just doesn't amount to anything,
PERIOD. Too bad the cops here don't have to face a well armed and motivated enemy here as our boys in Iraq more
often. Police brutality would almost cease to exist.
by ME, MOTHAFUKA
Thursday Jan 27th, 2005 7:39 AM
"Whether this kid was only a driver in the Marines or had some other job, that fact that he joined the military during these times proves he had guts. Let this be a warning to police across the country that when they cross a certain line when dealing with civilians, a badge just doesn't amount to anything, PERIOD. Too bad the cops here don't have to face a well armed and motivated enemy here as our boys in Iraq more often. Police brutality would almost cease to exist."

FUCK THIS COPS! REMEMBER RODNEY? REMEMBER THE MAN THAT GOT SHOOT LIKE 50 TIMES IN NY?
REMEMBER ALL THE PEOPLE PIGS KILL EVERYDAY?
JUST CUZ THEY THINK THEY CAN CUZ A FUCKIN BATCH AND A UNIFORM? THEY KILL EVERYDAY WITH IMPUNITY!

AS A MATTER OF FACT NO ONLY COPS BUT THE "LAW" IT SELF IS A PIECE OF SHIT!

REMEMBER THE YOUNG BLACK DUDE THAT GOT STAB TO DEATH IN SF A FEW WEEKS AGO? WHERE IS THE
WHITE, YEAH LETME SAY IT AGAIN, WHERE IS THE WHITE BITCH THAT KILLED HIM?????? SHE IS FREE!!!!!

FREEE!!! YEAH! SO WHAT? FUCK EM ALL TOO BAD THIS MARINE DIDN'T TOOK A FEW D.A.'S AND SOME C.E.O.'S WITH HIM, BUT FUCK IT AT LEAST HE SERVE TWO PIGS!

NOW YOU FUCKING PIGS READING THIS SHIT KNOW! WE HATE U MOTHAFUKAS, WE DON'T NEED YOU PIGS TO BE PATROLING US IN THE GUETTOS ARRESTING US FOR SELLING THE DOPE THAT THE D.E.A. DISTRIBUITE TO US ANYWAY, WE DONT NEED YALL TAKING US TO JAIL FOR GUN POSSESION, A GUN THAT THE GOVERNMENT GAVE US, AND WE DON'T NEED YALL MTF'S TO TAKE OUR PEOPLE TO JAIL FOR BEEING ADDICTS TO THE DRUGS YOU GIVE THEM! SO FUCK YOU PIGS!



by Elvis
(elviscb [at] cox.net) Thursday Jan 27th, 2005 5:26 PM
You people that can't even spell have the nerve to say crap on a public forum behind the safety of the walls in your home. YOU OWE "righteous" servicemen and "police officers" the gratitude afforded them for even allowing you to exist in this country. "ANDY" was not a tuff guy but a disturbed individual. He was not a man that took out his need of violence on the source. HE CHOSE A COWARDS WAY OUT to inflict pain on people he didn't even know. I served in the beloved Marine Corps. He went against all we as Marines believe in. You talk about the government giving drugs to you... did you have to take it you fool? Did you have to use it you fool? I grew up in the barrios in Califas. That way of life did not harbor nothing but negativity towards my own "raza" who lived in other barrios. What was I supposed to be proud of by trying to take out another vato because he was brown and from another Barrio? Gangbanging is for chumps that have low self esteem. A Marine drill instructor once told me "If you can't stand alone, don't stand at all." For all my carnales that agree with a unified raza, stand up for something be proud of your personal endeavors and your culture. Do something positive to erase the stereotype that the "Raza" es puro bangers with no dignity of self. Help your community one step at a time. Go placidly amongst the noise and haste...Semper Fi
by Don't trip.
Monday Jan 31st, 2005 10:55 PM
I knew Andy for about 6 years during school. He was most definetely the class clown. Always had everyone laughing. For those who talkin all that masa; shut your ass up. You don't know anything. "Only God can judge me". THOSE WHO TALK DON'T KNOW. AND THOSE WHO KNOW DON'T TALK!! And FYI, None of you know anything but all the lies the reporters say, sugar-coating everything about the puercos. SMH. There ain't no justice. Look at what the pigs are doing now in Modesto.. stopping every group of people even if they ain't gang-related. They just tryna get back because of their fellow 'comrade' who got blown. Aw pobrecitos, NOT!
by RIP ANDY
Wednesday Feb 9th, 2005 3:25 PM
For all those who knew the real Andy, keep your head up and be proud to have known someone that was brave enough to do what no senator or president's family member would ever do: be a soldier. And I don't mean just in Iraq, I mean in the street, in life. To be able to live in Ceres, Ca and live with racist, ignorant, uneducated people who judge you based on your race, that's a SOLDIER.
For all those who say he didn't fire a gun, they don't have the right to say a damn thing about anything. If they only knew.
People can't understand why he changed? It's when he sees what's really going on and knows the truth, knows that Bush has sent out people like him to handle what he can't do on his own: to murder innocent people because someone pissed his daddy off a long time ago and because oil means $$money$$...

Andy may have never fired his gun; if he didn't, good for him. But this is what he saw:

http://www.aztlan.net/fallujah_guernica.htm

Rest in Peace Andy; find the peace no one would allow you in life. Only God can judge you now.

by His Cousin
Tuesday Feb 15th, 2005 12:52 AM
What happened that night should have never have happened. Why it happened We will NEVER know. We can all make up our own conclusions but they will never lead us to the real truth. I cant believe it to this day. I see the video and its him. BUT its not. I cant belive that the person I love so much could do such a thing. Why he did I dont know and either do the cops or no one else. The gang thing, thats funny. So No! What people dont see is when you grow up in a neighborhood you form bonds with the people around you. to an out sider, they may see that as a gang. The family hurts. We feel the pain of both sides. Now we must take this negative and turn it to a positive. To unite as a community. Not to cast out. Not spending more money on guns but on programs and schools, to give faith and a outlet to do good, to have a future. We can disagree all day, but can we agree that we never want something like this to happen again.
by Mahtin
(themahtin [at] hotmail.com) Tuesday Feb 15th, 2005 1:14 AM
Hey, check out http://www.october22.org and http://www.stolenlives.org

The October 22nd Coalition is a nationwide organization that works to expose murder by the cops. Sadly, what happened to your cousin is not all that uncommon, and we need to be telling the cops to stop killing our loved ones.

We are working on the next edition of the Stolen Lives book and would love to get a description of who he was and how he died that was written by a family member.

Thanks! Feel free to email me at the above address.
by ???
Wednesday Mar 2nd, 2005 2:58 AM
EVERYONE WHO DIDNT KNOW ANDY SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND KEEP THERE GAY COMMENTS TO THEMSELFS.I KNEW ANDY AND I KNOW THAT WHAT THE NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING WAS'NT HIM.HE WAS A CARING PERSON ALWAYS MAKING OTHERS LAUGH AND A SWEET GUY.THAT COP ART OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS IS STUPID BY CALLING ANDY AND THE HOMIES TERRIORIST HE DONT KNOW WUT THE FUCK HE TALKIN BOUT AND IF HE SO SCARED OF ANDYS HOMIES HE SHOULD TALK.ANDY WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED AS THE NICE GUY AND HIS NAME WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED
.R.I.P ANDY WE KNOW U LOOKIN DOWN AT US

OnLy GoD CaN JuDgE YoU
by A Marine
Tuesday Mar 8th, 2005 9:06 AM
I am real disappointed to see this happened. Seeing all the different stories, I have made up my mind that no story is true. As a NJ state cop, I say remember the bravery of those officers that took the hit, especially the one who gave his life. As a US Marine reserve, I feel bad to see a Marine do something like that. I don't know what his intentions were, but I wish everyone would stop talking trash about him, the Marines, and the Cops. They all served with honor. Its unfortunate that they had to clash so violently.
by vdavis
(vdavis1959 [at] yahoo.com) Sunday Mar 27th, 2005 2:58 PM
This idiot with an assualt rifle called his own rules and is dead at his own hands. all he did was to bring heartache to his family and friends by attempting to murder two decent individuals. And oh of course it wasn't his fault. It was the marines fault. let's all blame someone else for his actions. What is he retarded? stupid?...he knew perfectly damn well what he was doing and to blame the marines or the police for the anything else is ludicrous. Latinos who are blaming others for this idiots actions need to re-evaluate their priorities.

I know alot of decent heardworking (and educated) latinos and they don' t pull out assualt rifles and kill people because they can't cope.....this man was a coward who did nothing but ruin the lives of several families including his own.

I say good riddens for someone like that and I for one am glad he's not defending america in Iraqany longer...........I wonder how long it would have taken him to turn the guns on our own soldiers........coward!
by manuel
(tank95307 [at] yahoo.com) Monday Mar 28th, 2005 12:25 PM
The way am going to remember Andy is the way he was when he was alive. He was always happy every funny and cool always playing around. He was a good player in basketball and every morning his 12th year he was always playing hand ball. I didn’t know him very well but something he would always talk about was being a marine.
by Don' trip
Tuesday Apr 26th, 2005 11:26 AM
You speak upon this like you know the situation, Don't judge anyone if you never lived the path as a marine and as a latino growing as he did, You are the coward for open your mouth and judging your self.
Rest in Peace Andy. I know how life is a struggle
by don't trip
Tuesday Apr 26th, 2005 11:36 AM
this was intended for the idiot that was speaking on behave on andy calling him a coward.
by hiz homie
Monday Jul 18th, 2005 5:00 PM
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I've know andy for like 6 years i met him when i was 10 and he was 13 i remember being so0o nervous around him cuz i thought he was soo cute..i remember going over to my homegurlz house and sitting in the front yard to see if he was at hiz cousinz house..and if i seen him i would run inside...i also remember that night January 9th...sitting watching t.v. and all the sudden breakin news comes up on the screen..and then finding out later the next day it was andy i remember sitting there crying cuz i knew sumone i knew for 6 years was now gone and we would have anymore memoriez together...the part that really got me was that they were blaming it on the fact that it was bcause he was a norteno and for the fool that is runnin it bcause he latino you dont know what its like growing up mexican....XIV POR VIDA...we all miss a love you Andy
by Oso de San Jo
(chuletasconclave [at] yahoo.com) Tuesday Aug 2nd, 2005 11:44 AM
Growing up in the barrios of San Jo Califas i've seen to many Chicanos die and beaten by the redneck racists pigs and they always got away with it. It brings joy to my heart to see our Raza fighting back and wasting those scum bag redneck pigs. The only good pig is a dead pig i always say. We have added the picture of the dead pig to our fence memorial along with other dead pigs so we can all piss on them when were partying.

Oso de San Jo Califas Aztlan Norte 14 c\s y que
by Tomas Raya
Wednesday Nov 16th, 2005 2:05 PM
All of you that give your opinion about my brother are wrong.
nune of you know anything or shit ABOUT HIM. only his family and friends know things ur all gay and should go to hell. Fuck Bush, Perry, and Ceres Police
by coOKie
(Cookie4rmDa209 [at] yahoo.com) Saturday Jan 28th, 2006 2:44 PM
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aS i reAd alL thE thiNgs pPl aRE sayiN bOut alL thAt hapPenD i aGreE wiTH my cuzZn yoOoh guYz doNT kNO shiT bOut aNdy.. yEa thE coPz harRasS hiS famiLy aNd fRienDs liKE itS soMethNg wE diD, liKE itS soMethiNg wE pLanNd.. buT if wE haD it oUr waY wE woUld of neVer waNted thiS to hapPen.. wE loSt soMeoNe vEry clOSe to Us. he aLwayZ foUnd a waY to maKe uP sMile oR lauGh. aNd if yoOoh realLy kNew hiM thEN yoOoh'D kNo thAt thaT waSnt the reaL aNdreS raYa. ..::reSt iN peaCe pRimO::.. i loOve yoOoh!!
by coOKie
(Cookie4rmDa209 [at] yahoo.com) Saturday Jan 28th, 2006 3:02 PM
aS i reAd alL thE thiNgs pPl aRE sayiN bOut alL thAt hapPenD i aGreE wiTH my cuzZn yoOoh guYz doNT kNO shiT bOut aNdy.. yEa thE coPz harRasS hiS famiLy aNd fRienDs liKE itS soMethNg wE diD, liKE itS soMethiNg wE pLanNd.. buT if wE haD it oUr waY wE woUld of neVer waNted thiS to hapPen.. wE loSt soMeoNe vEry clOSe to Us. he aLwayZ foUnd a waY to maKe uP sMile oR lauGh. aNd if yoOoh realLy kNew hiM thEN yoOoh'D kNo thAt thaT waSnt the reaL aNdreS raYa.

..::reSt iN peaCe pRimO::..
i loOve yoOoh!!
by Kurt
(chiptoss [at] surfy.net) Monday Apr 3rd, 2006 9:55 PM
I joined the Marines right out of high school. There was not much else offered to me in the way of opportunities so it seemed like the thing to do. It was good for me, certainly at first. I learned discipline and how to obtain goals, which I had not been strong on those things before.

Then we were deployed to Iraq.

After those civilian contractors charred bodies were hung from the bridge, it was like we were ordered to take revenge. We moved in to Fallujah. Our orders did not make sense from a military stratagy perspective. To put it plainly, we terrorrized the civillians there. I say we, as in I was ordered to secure certain locations and there were unarmed civilians, non combatants under our control that we were ordered to kill.

I did my tour, and did not re up when the time came.

I hope that some day God will forgive me for not being strong enough to disobey orders and take my punishment for that.
by Ghad
Wednesday Nov 8th, 2006 1:49 PM
All of your comments are in vain. Raya made a decision and that decision's cost was payed with police blood. Case Closed! Is it not accepted that the Police may loose their lives in the service of the powers that be? How many Marines gave their lives for something they didn't agree to? Is it so hard to assume Raya's state of mind was at such a point that his decision was better than going back to the Marines? Michelle Malkin is trying to dissolve the merit of Raya's decision by offering derogatory information; high on Coke, not important. Afilliated with gangs, not important. Combat Expierence, not important. If all of her statements are true it just provides more evidence to Raya's state of mind. Most Marines are scared of the term "UCMJ"(Uniform Code of Military Justice) knowing that if they break a rule in it you are basically FUCKED! The simple fact that NONE of us were there and NONE of us could know exactly why he made his decision. Being from a similar background I applaud his decision, not because people were killed, but because he had made his OWN decision. Maybe everyone should go through 3 months of Mind Control(Boot Camp) and follow that with 7 months of Desert Combat and then ask yourself again if you wouldn't make a decision similar to Raya's.
by MAZ LOCO NANO
Wednesday Dec 20th, 2006 1:40 PM
all i gota say is fuck the ceres pd trying to play us ENEz for a hoe fuck that .rest in peace my lil homie kika that past away and all my homies that past away from my hood but respects going out to andy rayas family rest in peace bro real mofucken talk serio bro
by WYNO de Ceres NORTE
Monday May 7th, 2007 5:10 PM
Fuck the media, they twist everything for the Ceres Police Department. The Ceres PD waited to tell the media that he was a "gang member" on the day of his burial. The Ceres PD also had a few good lawsuits against them for violating peoples (mexicans) rights not long after the incident happened. That's right, they moved many families, who knew nothing about Andres Raya, out of the neighborhood in which he grew up in simply because they scared these families. They did unlawful searches in people homes, and would go in without warrents. You ask how do people just let them barge in like this, and its because they are older non-english speaking people who don't understand everything that the cops are saying. They also stopped minors in the neighboor hood and put guns to there heads while they laid on the street pavement face down. They shouldn't have fed the fire and made it out to be something that it wasn't, and they sure shouldn't have violated peoples rights in a means to act "tough". It wasn't a gang member who went to the military just to come back and do this, it was a normal person who went, and got his life fucked up. He seen things most of us cannot imagine, and hes probably had to do things most of us can not imagine. He came back home for his couple week vacation, and when he had to go back, he must have felt homesick, or even thinking he might not possibly make it back. Would you want to go back to a place like Iraq? I know I wouldn't want to go back to kill or see people killed or even be killed. I'm not praising what he did, but I knew him, just as many others, and he was a good person. I'm only writing this because "I" was there first hand to witness this all. I'm not just some guy talking just because I want to speak on someone elses life for no apparent reason like most of the people on this post. It was a tragedy on both sides of the story, but the police kind of make it hard to feel 100% sympathetic for their fellow officer, when they do what they do.
by WYNO de Ceres NORTE
Monday May 7th, 2007 5:13 PM
RIP Andy, much love.
by Marine Cop
Friday May 11th, 2007 1:36 AM
Raya did not live by the Marine Code of Honor, so cannot be righteously called a Marine, therefore he died the death of a low-life coward.

He was no hero in the Marine Corps, as anyone who was in a year has those minor medals.
He was a gangster with low self-esteem and no self-respect. He has dishonored, himself, his family and La Raza.

Look at all the true brave Hispanic-Americans serving their country and community, that is true pride, honor, service and respect.

As for the gangsters, bring it on, so we can take you out. Pathetic Losers.
by um
Friday May 11th, 2007 6:05 AM
"Marine Code of Honor"? That would be "Don't get Caught"?
by Itzcoyotl
Monday May 14th, 2007 11:32 AM
I remember when all that just happened and cops were pulling Chicanos out of their cars just for being Chicano.
My dad's friend was taken out of his car and put in handcuffs just for having brown skin and a tattoo! This man is affiliated with NO GANGS WHATSOEVER, just a hardworking Chicano who lives for his family. And I believe that Andy was affiliated with no gangs, as his family says. They should know, they are his family!
I know countless more Chicanos who are mistreated by the police over here in Modesto and Ceres on a daily basis, including a false police report and forged signature to incriminate an innocent Modesto Chicano.
Things like this WILL NOT STOP unless we CHICANOS(not Hispanic or Latino) stand up and unite.
To all my brothers and sisters, come together.
To all those who bang PUT DOWN THE RAGS AND GUNS AND PICK UP THE BOOKS AND PICKET SIGNS, we can't keep killing each other.
Chicano solidarity will lead to our freedom.

Mexicatl Tiahui.
by ????
Saturday May 19th, 2007 3:56 AM
YA WHAT HALF THE PEOPLE SAY TILL THIS DAY STILL DNT KNOW WAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKIN ABOUT! SO YEA THEY DO NEED TO SHUT UP! THE PERSON THAT U SEE IN THE VIDEOS IS NOT THE REAL ANDY. U JUDGE HIM ON WHAT HE DID AND HE WASNT EVEN ALL THERE ALL CAUSE THE STUPID DRUGS THAT U ALL HAD HIM ON. SO WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. ANDY WAS ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS AND HE WAS ALWAYS THERE WHEN I NEEDED HIM THE MOST MORE THAN I CAN SAY 4 SOME PEOPLE! HE WAS MORE THAN ONE PERSON!! CARIN, LOVIN, HAPPY , AND ALWAYS FULL OF JOY. I NEVER REMEMBER SEEIN ANDY HAVIN A BAD DAY.
R.I.P ANDY
WE ALL LOVE U
by Sabas Raya jr (Sea-Bass) El Toro
Wednesday Nov 7th, 2007 12:49 PM
I wuz a few years older than my cousin Andy and I hardly knew him. I believe that since people seen Andy with his hands held high in the air, meant he would of gotten a trial, Not Murdered !!!!!!!! In The Raya family, he will always be in our minds 4 everrrr !!!!!!
by Sabas Raya jr (Sea-Bass) El Toro
Wednesday Nov 7th, 2007 12:51 PM
I wuz a few years older than my cousin Andy and I hardly knew him. I believe that since people seen Andy with his hands held high in the air, meant he would of gotten a trial, Not Murdered !!!!!!!! In The Raya family, he will always be in our minds 4 everrrr !!!!!!
by Tired of your bs
Friday Nov 16th, 2007 5:40 PM
You people need to get a life and let these men truley RIP!!! You ever heard the expression "beating a dead horse."? That's all everyone is doing. I'm sorry for both families who lost a loved one...the family of the MURDERED cop and the family of the young man who snapped because of whatever was going on. When you ambush anyone and kill them it's murder, what's so hard to understand about that? Fallujah or no Fallujah, this guy needed help. Everyone needs to just accept the fact that Andy ambushed and killed another human being, badge or no badge. And if Andy wasn't a gang member then why are there so many gang members leaving xiv por vida and all the slang on here. Furthermore, stop acting like Ceres is Compton or Watts. The police may have 'harassed' Andy's family but i've seen first hand how Andy 'holier than though' family has harassed the widow and family of Sgt. Stevenson. You aren't innocent and you know it. Let Andy take responsible for murder and let these two soles rest in peace.
by Some Kid
Thursday Jan 24th, 2008 11:07 AM
All I hear is the Police and the Government not taking responsibility for their actions and painting this young man out to be a monster.

Fuck the police and the Government.
Those are the people who need to be held responsible.
by SGT B
Sunday Apr 26th, 2009 7:44 AM
first and foremost, rest in power to my devil dog brother andy raya. a true marine and one who i wouldnt replace with 100 marines. The dude was cool as hell, tried to make the best out of bad situations, yeah we all crack under combat stress...wouldnt you? oh yeah i forgot, half of you cant-hack-its talking shit on this forum never served a day in uniform in your lives. so what the hell would any of you know about that aspect of life.

when i heard about this in my last year overseas, i couldnt believe it. one of my boys killed by some fucking cops.

but when i came home, i realized why Andy did what he did. And truth be told, out in my neck of cali I even considered doing the same thing.

a few weeks before i came home, one of my MP buddies was gunned down by san bernardino county sherriffs. He was outnumbered, unarmed, and out-gunned, he stated to the police with hands up that he was a military police man, and that he would cooperate and just to please surrender their firearms. NOW YOU FUCKING PIGS LISTEN TO ME AND LISTEN GOOD. IF SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS TRUSTED TO ENFORCE GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE AND IS A COMPETANT PERSON THEN YOU GIVE HIM THE RESPECT HE IS ASKING FOR. MPS HAVE AN ACQUIRED RESPECT FOR THE LAW, AND THAT SHOULD BE NOTED.

the bastards blew chunks out of him as soon as he exited his vehicle.

he never lived to hit the concrete.

when i came home, i was constantly slammed on the hood of my car for what cops told me was being suspect....oh im sorry, im 23 years old, served my fucking country in war time, seen combat, and came home and tried to make a life for myself. just because i drove a jaguar, they always pointed that i was in no position to drive such a car. who the fuck are you to tell me what i cant drive? this shit has been going on for years now, and im rightfully fucking sick of it.....you fucking cops want to demonize the military, and say shit about gangbangers in the military? pretty soon its gonna be hell on these streets, just wait. You keep fucking with the wrong goddamn people and pretty soon we are gonna start lobbing grenades into your squad cars and sniping you bastards for the blood you spilled behind the blue wall of silence.

and if you think this goes against everything the military teaches, then fuck you.....i served my time....honorably. I did my time alongside men who believed in doing good....honorably.....and if i go to war with a cop because the bastard fucked with the wrong soldier...over stupid reasons.....reasons that cannot be justified by any law manual. then i will fight, kill, and if it happens, die....HONORABLY.

you all miss the fucking point im sure, but ill say it again.....the police....you motherfuckers better think twice when someone reveals their veteran status while your treating them like second class shit. Your only putting nails in your own coffins doing that shit.

im out. rest in peace andy, semper fi.
by Tan
Saturday May 30th, 2009 8:38 PM
how dare you say things like that about Andy...you didnt know him!! You also didnt see him or his desperate pleas to stay home when he was home. If you would have ever had the luxury of meeting him you would have known what a great person he was.
by SGT. Wife
Tuesday May 4th, 2010 9:10 AM
My husband was in Motor T school... with this young man... he saw pictures of him next to dead bodies while in Iraq... its so sickening how the the Marine Corps just washed their hands of his ptsd. Motor T is the number one most dangerous postion in the Marine Corps... Infantry is number two... why is that you ask?... Simply because they are a larger... slower moving target!!! I.E.D.s ring a bell suicide bombers? He obviously was distraught about returning to Iraq... My husband holds three of those notches under his belt.. to that horrid place...and I can personally tell you that when he speaks of Andres Raya.. he speaks of him with much respect and endearment. I have worked in law enforcemnet and can honestly say that although a fallen brother hurts regardless of the situation, I am also a witness to officers writing their reports to ensure there is no fault on the departments side. This ordeal is simply a tragedy. Two lives were lost and both were survived by loved ones. Both were heroes in different but such similar ways...
by andy
Wednesday Apr 9th, 2014 1:10 AM
RIP ANDY fuck da law