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Israel Soldier Who Killed Hurndall: Followed Orders to Kill Unarmed People
a revealing article from the Manchester Guardian
[Soldier who shot Briton admits lying
Israeli on trial for manslaughter says peace activist was unarmed
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Thursday December 16, 2004
The Guardian
The Israeli soldier on trial for killing the British peace activist Tom Hurndall in the Gaza Strip has admitted he was lying when he said his victim was carrying a gun, but said he was under orders to open fire even on unarmed people.
Sergeant Idier Wahid Taysir is charged with manslaughter for shooting Mr Hurndall, 22, as he tried to shelter children on the edge of Rafah from Israeli army gunfire in April last year. He died of his injuries in January.
The sergeant told the military court that after shooting Mr Hurndall he had reported it to his commander.
"I told him that I did what I'm supposed to; anyone who enters a firing zone must be taken out. [The commander] always says this," he said.
The army has already been accused of carrying out an unwritten policy of shooting unarmed civilians who enter a closed security zone in Rafah, which led to the killing of a 13-year-old girl.
Sgt Taysir told the army investigators he had opened fire at Mr Hurndall because the Briton was on the edge of the security zone, carrying a weapon and wearing camouflage clothing.
In fact, he had not entered the closed zone, had no gun and was wearing a bright orange jacket.
The prosecutor asked the sergeant if Mr Hurndall had a weapon.
Sgt Taysir replied: "No. That's the truth."
"So you gave a false report to the company commander?" the prosecutor asked.
"I did not give a false report. He might have had a weapon under his clothing. People fire freely there. The [Israeli army] fires freely in Rafah."
The prosecutor continued: "But you told him that you saw a weapon?"
"Right."
"So you lied?"
"I said it."
The prosecutor then asked: "After that, you also reported that the man fired in the air and at you, right? Why did you report that he fired at you?"
The sergeant replied: "Because I had already fired without getting approval [from the company commander]. Everything was under pressure and a result of fear. They tell us all the time to fire; that there is approval. All the troops [in Rafah] fire without approval at anyone who crosses a red line."
Sgt Taysir has also been charged with obstruction of justice.
He told the court that he did not know details of the army's rules of engagement. "I don't know them. No one ever explained anything to me about these documents."
The military investigation initially cleared Sgt Taysir but was reopened under pressure from Mr Hurndall's family and the Foreign Office after the army's account of the shooting was shown to be false.
Mr Hurndall's mother, Jocelyn, welcomed the soldier's testimony, saying it confirmed the family's belief that Sgt Taysir was not a rogue element but operating under a military policy that permitted the shooting of unarmed civilians.
"We remain extremely concerned about the culture in which the soldier was functioning," she said. "It seems from what he's said that he was following orders, that he was doing what he was told to do and what other soldiers are told to do."
But Mrs Hurndall said that it was difficult to discover exactly what the orders were, because the court sessions on the rules of engagement were held in secret. "The problem is we don't have access to the closed-door sessions at which the rules of engagement are discussed," she said.
"The Israelis say it is because we are beyond their jurisdiction and not governed by their secrecy laws. They know we will speak out publicly and they can't prosecute us."]
Israeli on trial for manslaughter says peace activist was unarmed
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Thursday December 16, 2004
The Guardian
The Israeli soldier on trial for killing the British peace activist Tom Hurndall in the Gaza Strip has admitted he was lying when he said his victim was carrying a gun, but said he was under orders to open fire even on unarmed people.
Sergeant Idier Wahid Taysir is charged with manslaughter for shooting Mr Hurndall, 22, as he tried to shelter children on the edge of Rafah from Israeli army gunfire in April last year. He died of his injuries in January.
The sergeant told the military court that after shooting Mr Hurndall he had reported it to his commander.
"I told him that I did what I'm supposed to; anyone who enters a firing zone must be taken out. [The commander] always says this," he said.
The army has already been accused of carrying out an unwritten policy of shooting unarmed civilians who enter a closed security zone in Rafah, which led to the killing of a 13-year-old girl.
Sgt Taysir told the army investigators he had opened fire at Mr Hurndall because the Briton was on the edge of the security zone, carrying a weapon and wearing camouflage clothing.
In fact, he had not entered the closed zone, had no gun and was wearing a bright orange jacket.
The prosecutor asked the sergeant if Mr Hurndall had a weapon.
Sgt Taysir replied: "No. That's the truth."
"So you gave a false report to the company commander?" the prosecutor asked.
"I did not give a false report. He might have had a weapon under his clothing. People fire freely there. The [Israeli army] fires freely in Rafah."
The prosecutor continued: "But you told him that you saw a weapon?"
"Right."
"So you lied?"
"I said it."
The prosecutor then asked: "After that, you also reported that the man fired in the air and at you, right? Why did you report that he fired at you?"
The sergeant replied: "Because I had already fired without getting approval [from the company commander]. Everything was under pressure and a result of fear. They tell us all the time to fire; that there is approval. All the troops [in Rafah] fire without approval at anyone who crosses a red line."
Sgt Taysir has also been charged with obstruction of justice.
He told the court that he did not know details of the army's rules of engagement. "I don't know them. No one ever explained anything to me about these documents."
The military investigation initially cleared Sgt Taysir but was reopened under pressure from Mr Hurndall's family and the Foreign Office after the army's account of the shooting was shown to be false.
Mr Hurndall's mother, Jocelyn, welcomed the soldier's testimony, saying it confirmed the family's belief that Sgt Taysir was not a rogue element but operating under a military policy that permitted the shooting of unarmed civilians.
"We remain extremely concerned about the culture in which the soldier was functioning," she said. "It seems from what he's said that he was following orders, that he was doing what he was told to do and what other soldiers are told to do."
But Mrs Hurndall said that it was difficult to discover exactly what the orders were, because the court sessions on the rules of engagement were held in secret. "The problem is we don't have access to the closed-door sessions at which the rules of engagement are discussed," she said.
"The Israelis say it is because we are beyond their jurisdiction and not governed by their secrecy laws. They know we will speak out publicly and they can't prosecute us."]
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End ALL the Atrocities
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End all the Atrocities
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to Critical Thinker
Tue, Dec 21, 2004 11:37AM
Ugh
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The historical truth of the matter is that
Tue, Dec 21, 2004 10:53AM
The "historical truth" of the matter is that
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He never gives up
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"Thta's just more swill from the Zionist propaganda mill."
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"the fact that the girl’s death was an accidental."
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That's off topic, but...
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