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12/2: Expose Victoria's Dirty Secret!
Thursday, December 2 2004 12:00 PM
Location:
Victoria's Secret
Union Square
San Francisco, CA
Location:
Victoria's Secret
Union Square
San Francisco, CA
Expose Victoria's Dirty Secret! Over a million catalogs a day from
endangered forests!
Thursday, December 2 2004 12:00 PM
Location:
Victoria's Secret
Union Square
San Francisco, CA
More Info:
http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net
The Victoria’s Dirty Secret Campaign
On December 2nd, show Victoria’s Secret that we haven’t gone away!
Join activists at the San Francisco action for the 1st National Day Of
Action for the Victoria’s Dirty Secret Campaign!
When: Thursday, Dec 2nd, NOON
Where: Victoria’s Secret in Union Square on Powell Street, San
Francisco
Who: You and everyone you know!
What: Come in your favorite lingerie, lumberjack outfits, tree
costumes, or everyday outfit to tell Victoria’s Dirty Secret to stop
destroying Endangered Forests!
So, what’s the deal with Victoria’s Secret?
Victoria’s Secret prints 395 million catalogs each year predominately
on virgin paper from Endangered Forests. On December 2nd grassroots
environmental activists can help stop the devastation caused by these
catalogs and challenge Victoria's Secret to stop using paper coming
from the world’s last remaining Endangered Forests and switch to high
post-consumer recycled paper. Find out more info at
http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net
What can you do about it?
Forward this e-mail to everyone you know in the San Francisco area. Get
as many people together as you can, then, grab your favorite lingerie
or tree costume and head out to Union Square on December 2nd and join
other Bay Area activists in protesting Victoria’s Secret!
endangered forests!
Thursday, December 2 2004 12:00 PM
Location:
Victoria's Secret
Union Square
San Francisco, CA
More Info:
http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net
The Victoria’s Dirty Secret Campaign
On December 2nd, show Victoria’s Secret that we haven’t gone away!
Join activists at the San Francisco action for the 1st National Day Of
Action for the Victoria’s Dirty Secret Campaign!
When: Thursday, Dec 2nd, NOON
Where: Victoria’s Secret in Union Square on Powell Street, San
Francisco
Who: You and everyone you know!
What: Come in your favorite lingerie, lumberjack outfits, tree
costumes, or everyday outfit to tell Victoria’s Dirty Secret to stop
destroying Endangered Forests!
So, what’s the deal with Victoria’s Secret?
Victoria’s Secret prints 395 million catalogs each year predominately
on virgin paper from Endangered Forests. On December 2nd grassroots
environmental activists can help stop the devastation caused by these
catalogs and challenge Victoria's Secret to stop using paper coming
from the world’s last remaining Endangered Forests and switch to high
post-consumer recycled paper. Find out more info at
http://www.victoriasdirtysecret.net
What can you do about it?
Forward this e-mail to everyone you know in the San Francisco area. Get
as many people together as you can, then, grab your favorite lingerie
or tree costume and head out to Union Square on December 2nd and join
other Bay Area activists in protesting Victoria’s Secret!
For more information:
http://victoriasdirtysecret.net/
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their other dirty secret is they use prison labor . fuck em
Which ones? What corporation(s) own them? What's the name of the paper company? What is the name of their printer? What else does that printer print? How much paper do they consume? Is this campaign being waged against the printer, too? Are similar campaigns being waged against other catalog companies? Which ones? Where? When?
Which prisons? How many prisoners? How much an hour do they get paid? How do the goods ship? What's the name of the shipping company?
please name the geographic region where the trees used for the catalogs where harvested, and the location of the trees "before they where cut" and which endangeres species
(________) name 10
(________) name 10
Since the catalogs use un-recycled paper bought on the open paper market many sources for trees are used -- including Canadian forests.
The real issue is why not use recycled paper for such a high volume of catalogs. It would work just as well (though, it would be slightly more expensive.)
And why is this particular retailer being targeted? Simply because they print so many catalogs and they make a good place to start. It's not a question of fairness. Is it fair to arrest one criminal if there are many more out there?
The real issue is why not use recycled paper for such a high volume of catalogs. It would work just as well (though, it would be slightly more expensive.)
And why is this particular retailer being targeted? Simply because they print so many catalogs and they make a good place to start. It's not a question of fairness. Is it fair to arrest one criminal if there are many more out there?
sloppy journalism, inadequate research, and the very real threat that we are subject to subtle manipulation by forces who don't have our best interest at heart. In this era of Christian right wing ascension, and attack on anything that is sex positive is suspect. Sexual repression is an instrument of social control. These people are on the march. Attacking a sex positive enterprise, when there are *so* many other targets out there, plays into the hands of the Puritan fascists who are trying very hard to turn this country into a Handmaid's Tale society. In the present political climate, it is deeply irresponsible to attack anything or anybody who is putting out a sex positive message, no matter how faint it may be. Today they go after Victoria's Secret. Tomorrow it will be Good Vibrations. Eventually, they'll kick in the door to your bedroom. Don't help them.
They aren't against lingerie, or sex negative. In fact, the protesters in front of the store are wearing lingerie. Should we not protest Nike so as not to discourage exercise?
Then why aren't they protesting a toy catalogue, or a tool catalogue or pet supply catalogue? Why this particular catalogue? Why was Victoria's Secret chosen? How was it chosen? By whom was it chosen?
And why has nobody answered any of my Journalism 101 questions? Has no one done the research? If not, why not? If so, why not share what you found with the rest of us?
As for protesting Nike, protest is useless. The powers that be don't give a rat's ass what you think. Forget protest. Direct action gets the goods. As for opposing any single corporation, you're wasting your time. There *are* no good corporations. Capitalism cannot be reformed. The whole system is rotten to the core. It's like trying to reform cannibalism. What are you going to do, only eat strangers, and then it's alright? I don't think so.
Stop wasting your time chopping at tentacles. Chop the head.
And why has nobody answered any of my Journalism 101 questions? Has no one done the research? If not, why not? If so, why not share what you found with the rest of us?
As for protesting Nike, protest is useless. The powers that be don't give a rat's ass what you think. Forget protest. Direct action gets the goods. As for opposing any single corporation, you're wasting your time. There *are* no good corporations. Capitalism cannot be reformed. The whole system is rotten to the core. It's like trying to reform cannibalism. What are you going to do, only eat strangers, and then it's alright? I don't think so.
Stop wasting your time chopping at tentacles. Chop the head.
So "just wondering" don't we have to start somewhere? Is there anything less than completely smashing the state/corporations/the system/etc that would meet your rather dogmatic viewpoint?
>Lying is bad journalism.
Please prove that this article is a lie. The action took place. The site it links to has quite a bit of background info on both this campaign and a campaign against Staples. I fail to see your argument.
You have a problem with their methods and what they have chosen to protest. The editors of this site do not, which is not a lie. You are using rhetorical arguments and questions which are not based upon finding the truth and lead to questioning ad infinitum.
If you see that the article does not adhere to the publishing guidelines or the editorial policy of this site, located at: http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/08/139500.php please email the editorial collective at sfbay-editorial [at] lists.indymedia.org
Please prove that this article is a lie. The action took place. The site it links to has quite a bit of background info on both this campaign and a campaign against Staples. I fail to see your argument.
You have a problem with their methods and what they have chosen to protest. The editors of this site do not, which is not a lie. You are using rhetorical arguments and questions which are not based upon finding the truth and lead to questioning ad infinitum.
If you see that the article does not adhere to the publishing guidelines or the editorial policy of this site, located at: http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/08/139500.php please email the editorial collective at sfbay-editorial [at] lists.indymedia.org
That part is true. However, that is not the whole article. It also cites an unsubstantiated allegation as the reason why the action took place. That is piss-poor journalism. Until it has been substantiated, any allegation must be assumed to be a lie.
When I called you on it, not only did you not substantiate the allegation, you also claimed, in effect, that you didn't have to. That kind of crap might cut it on Pravda or Weekly World News, but Indymedia's readers deserve better.
The choice of a target for the action was also bad politics, but that’s a separate issue. Indymedia’s readers don’t agree on every political issue. We do agree that we don’t want to be lied to. At least I hope so. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Let’s take a poll to find out. How many people out there would prefer to not be able to trust what they read on Indymedia? Show of hands please.
When I called you on it, not only did you not substantiate the allegation, you also claimed, in effect, that you didn't have to. That kind of crap might cut it on Pravda or Weekly World News, but Indymedia's readers deserve better.
The choice of a target for the action was also bad politics, but that’s a separate issue. Indymedia’s readers don’t agree on every political issue. We do agree that we don’t want to be lied to. At least I hope so. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Let’s take a poll to find out. How many people out there would prefer to not be able to trust what they read on Indymedia? Show of hands please.
Unfortunately nessie, if this had been a news piece, perhaps you would be right. But it is not. It is an article stating an action. an action which you have deemed as bad politics.
Perhaps we should take every action posted to the site, and run it through the ringer before we allow it to be posted. I can think of quite a few of your past actions that would not have made it through a nitpicking jury. The fact is this event took place, and, you have a problem with its politics. This is participatory media, treat it that way.
As I said before, there is a way in which you can let us know about posts that go against our editorial policy. Our editorial policies are very straight forward. If the editorial collective decides that they do not, then they will be hidden. EOM
Perhaps we should take every action posted to the site, and run it through the ringer before we allow it to be posted. I can think of quite a few of your past actions that would not have made it through a nitpicking jury. The fact is this event took place, and, you have a problem with its politics. This is participatory media, treat it that way.
As I said before, there is a way in which you can let us know about posts that go against our editorial policy. Our editorial policies are very straight forward. If the editorial collective decides that they do not, then they will be hidden. EOM
Victoria's Secret still uses prison labor. Victoria's Secret underwear will generally say it is made in one of two places: the U.S.A. or Israel. If they're made in the USA, they are made by prisoners, and that's that. If they say "Made in Israel", they weren't. The US has a very unique trade agreement with Israel. See, GENERALLY a label must say what country the garment was actually ASSEMBLED in. So, if (and this happens a lot) the material is cut in Country1 and shipped to Country2 to be stitched together, then the label must say "Made in Country2." HOWEVER this is not so under our agreement with Israel. You look at that label, you think "Made in Israel. Well, they have pretty good labor conditions and a fairly well-off population, so labor conditions can't be that bad there." Well, sure, they probably aren't that bad. But that underwear was not made in Israel. Under this agreement, material can be cut in Israel and shipped elsewhere (to any of the impoverished 3rd world nations near Israel) to be assembled, and it can still say "Made in Israel." So regardless of where your Vickie's underwear says it was made, you know people were exploited.
more
http://www.metagrrrl.com/metagrrrl/2002/01/slavery_is_lega.html
Companies such as Boeing, Victoria's Secret, and Eddie Bauer have subcontracted with companies using low-cost prison labor to manufacture everything from aircraft components to lingerie and software packages.
http://www.prisonwall.org/labor.htm
Next time you're turning the lights down and getting all comfy, consider this: Prisoners in South Carolina made lingerie for Victoria's Secret.
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv24/lp3.htm
"For private business," write Eve Goldberg and Linda Evans (a political prisoner inside the Federal Correctional Institution at Dublin, California) "prison labor is like a pot of gold. No strikes. No union organizing. No health benefits, unemployment insurance, or workers' compensation to pay. No language barriers, as in foreign countries. New leviathan prisons are being built on thousands of eerie acres of factories inside the walls. Prisoners do data entry for Chevron, make telephone reservations for TWA, raise hogs, shovel manure, make circuit boards, limousines, waterbeds, and lingerie for Victoria's Secret -- all at a fraction of the cost of 'free labor.'"
http://home.ican.net/~edtoth/lawprisonrace.html
About 72,000 prisoners nationwide are employed in inmate work programs, according to a 1998 Corrections Industry Association report. Most work for federal companies such as UNICOR or state businesses such as the California Prison Industry Authority. About 2,500 work for private subcontractors in thirty-eight states, according to a 1998 report by Prison Industry Enhancement, a federal program. Although the numbers of prisoners employed by private corporations are minuscule compared to the 1.77 million U.S. prison population, these public/corporate partnerships in corrections raise serious concerns for human rights activists and labor activists.
Companies, such as Boeing, Victoria's Secret, and Eddie Bauer have subcontracted with companies using low-cost prison labor to manufacture everything from aircraft components to lingerie and software packages.
http://www.lorb.com/articles-07.htm
Under a pilot project administered by the Justice Department, more than 100 companies have contracted out the use of thousands of prisoners in 29 states. Some of the goods and services involve America's best-known firms. A Washington company used prisoners to wrap software for Microsoft. Inmates in South Carolina made lingerie for Victoria's Secret and graduation gowns for Jostens. IBM has purchased electronic circuit boards made by Texas prisoners, and TWA allows California inmates to take airline reservations over the phone.
http://wjcohen.home.mindspring.com/usnclips/9priso.htm
more
http://www.metagrrrl.com/metagrrrl/2002/01/slavery_is_lega.html
Companies such as Boeing, Victoria's Secret, and Eddie Bauer have subcontracted with companies using low-cost prison labor to manufacture everything from aircraft components to lingerie and software packages.
http://www.prisonwall.org/labor.htm
Next time you're turning the lights down and getting all comfy, consider this: Prisoners in South Carolina made lingerie for Victoria's Secret.
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv24/lp3.htm
"For private business," write Eve Goldberg and Linda Evans (a political prisoner inside the Federal Correctional Institution at Dublin, California) "prison labor is like a pot of gold. No strikes. No union organizing. No health benefits, unemployment insurance, or workers' compensation to pay. No language barriers, as in foreign countries. New leviathan prisons are being built on thousands of eerie acres of factories inside the walls. Prisoners do data entry for Chevron, make telephone reservations for TWA, raise hogs, shovel manure, make circuit boards, limousines, waterbeds, and lingerie for Victoria's Secret -- all at a fraction of the cost of 'free labor.'"
http://home.ican.net/~edtoth/lawprisonrace.html
About 72,000 prisoners nationwide are employed in inmate work programs, according to a 1998 Corrections Industry Association report. Most work for federal companies such as UNICOR or state businesses such as the California Prison Industry Authority. About 2,500 work for private subcontractors in thirty-eight states, according to a 1998 report by Prison Industry Enhancement, a federal program. Although the numbers of prisoners employed by private corporations are minuscule compared to the 1.77 million U.S. prison population, these public/corporate partnerships in corrections raise serious concerns for human rights activists and labor activists.
Companies, such as Boeing, Victoria's Secret, and Eddie Bauer have subcontracted with companies using low-cost prison labor to manufacture everything from aircraft components to lingerie and software packages.
http://www.lorb.com/articles-07.htm
Under a pilot project administered by the Justice Department, more than 100 companies have contracted out the use of thousands of prisoners in 29 states. Some of the goods and services involve America's best-known firms. A Washington company used prisoners to wrap software for Microsoft. Inmates in South Carolina made lingerie for Victoria's Secret and graduation gowns for Jostens. IBM has purchased electronic circuit boards made by Texas prisoners, and TWA allows California inmates to take airline reservations over the phone.
http://wjcohen.home.mindspring.com/usnclips/9priso.htm
I see no dishonesty in the editors writing a rply to your questions. what I see dishonesty is, are the reasons you keep harrasing folks on this site. Is it perhaps, that you are still haboring resentments about something that happened over a year ago.
And to top it off, most of the current editors at indybay had nothing to do with the split. Grow up nessie.
And to top it off, most of the current editors at indybay had nothing to do with the split. Grow up nessie.
I classified the comment as attachment so it appears on the version of this post without comments
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1707821.php
Most people see the version without comments when they link from the newswire or the center column story http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2718&category_id=14
When I added the center column story I figured I should make the more info thing an attachment so people could find out more about the story. When you make something an attachment it also moves the comment to the top of the list of comments, so thats why its out of order.
I also hid the flamewar since arguments about SFIMC or Nessie distract from the site since most people reading have no idea what is being discussed.
Both posts by Nessie and attacks against him are getting really out of hand. Its enough work classifying things and working on the center column items without having to deal with flamewars and snide comments. Nessie's question about this post (which seems like it was a reposted event announcement by someone not associated with the event) makes sense in a way, but why ask the site or ask in a comment for more info when the poeple who organized the event are most likely not reading all the comments and therefore wont respond. If you want more info about this action why not email the organizers. Their contact info is on their two websites "Victoria's Dirty Secret" and "ForestEthics". There is a chance some people may read the comment and respond but its unlikely, comments are not that widely read since they dont show up on the main post pages for local and global stories.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1707821.php
Most people see the version without comments when they link from the newswire or the center column story http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2718&category_id=14
When I added the center column story I figured I should make the more info thing an attachment so people could find out more about the story. When you make something an attachment it also moves the comment to the top of the list of comments, so thats why its out of order.
I also hid the flamewar since arguments about SFIMC or Nessie distract from the site since most people reading have no idea what is being discussed.
Both posts by Nessie and attacks against him are getting really out of hand. Its enough work classifying things and working on the center column items without having to deal with flamewars and snide comments. Nessie's question about this post (which seems like it was a reposted event announcement by someone not associated with the event) makes sense in a way, but why ask the site or ask in a comment for more info when the poeple who organized the event are most likely not reading all the comments and therefore wont respond. If you want more info about this action why not email the organizers. Their contact info is on their two websites "Victoria's Dirty Secret" and "ForestEthics". There is a chance some people may read the comment and respond but its unlikely, comments are not that widely read since they dont show up on the main post pages for local and global stories.
If you really care to find all the details you can contact the Corrections Industry Association and get a copy of their more recent reports. From the many prison labor activist sites that mention Victoria's Secret on can conclude that their products are made in either Israel or in South Carolina prisons. Of course that info could be from old reports, but Im guessing that if VS didnt publish something showing a change wherever the stuff is made now it probably not much better. Activist websites dont seem to like giving sources so while the one site did mention the Corrections Industry Association and another listed a government program you would really have to contact the prison activist groups themselves to get the more detailed information you want.
Most journalists dont list their sources but they usually have them available on request. In many cases activist groups that publish short allegations on their website will be more than happy to send you pages of documentation if requested.
Here are a few people to contact if you want to dig because you either dont believe the allegations or want more proof:
Julie Light "Look For That Prision Label" The Progressive Magazine
Angela Y. Davis "Masked Racism: Reflections on the Prison Industrial
Complex" Fall 1998 ColorLines
Peter Gilmore "MADE IN THE U.S.A.. . . BY CONVICTS" http://lpa.igc.org/lpv24/lp3.htm
Im sure there are more if you do some Google searchs or go to your public library and do some digging
Most journalists dont list their sources but they usually have them available on request. In many cases activist groups that publish short allegations on their website will be more than happy to send you pages of documentation if requested.
Here are a few people to contact if you want to dig because you either dont believe the allegations or want more proof:
Julie Light "Look For That Prision Label" The Progressive Magazine
Angela Y. Davis "Masked Racism: Reflections on the Prison Industrial
Complex" Fall 1998 ColorLines
Peter Gilmore "MADE IN THE U.S.A.. . . BY CONVICTS" http://lpa.igc.org/lpv24/lp3.htm
Im sure there are more if you do some Google searchs or go to your public library and do some digging
One of my personal axes to grind is that the City of Victoria, B.C. continues practice of piping raw, untreated sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, waters shared by Puget Sound. While we can make great proclamations in placing orca whale pods on the endangered list, what impact will that have until we turn up the heat on our nearest neighbor to stop dumping their untreated waste and garbage into the very waters the whales (and others) need to survive? It is unconscionable, and I refuse to visit Victoria again. See the latest Seattle PI article on the subject: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Victoria_Sewage.html
that must make it very hard to lurk around under the surface up there, eh ness?
you'd sorta hafta get used to all that shit somehow....
you'd sorta hafta get used to all that shit somehow....
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