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National Actions of Resistance Begin Saturday, December 4
Fight for Democracy Rally - Columbus OH - Saturday December 4th
(San Francisco will have an action at Pelosi's office on Dec. 6)
(San Francisco will have an action at Pelosi's office on Dec. 6)
Fight for Democracy Rally;
Saturday, December 4, 2004 1:00 - 3:00 p.m.;
Ohio Statehouse;
Featured Speaker-Journalist Greg Palast .
Fact: Thousands of Ohio citizens had difficulty voting on November 2nd. Despite thousands of complaints, a planned recount, statewide public hearings, several lawsuits, a Congressional investigation and the outcry of voters rights groups, this fact has been dismissed or underreported by the mainstream media. Even Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, indicated the Ohio election was a huge success, saying, "We came through with flying colors." Washington Times, 11/04/04
We need thousands of people to attend our "Fight for Democracy Rally" to draw attention to voter issues AND to support the Congressional probe of allegations of irregularities in the November 2nd presidential vote. Please plan to attend and bring your friends! America's election system is badly flawed. So flawed, that a Cal Tech/MIT study of the 2000 Election discovered that as many as one in 18 citizens was disenfranchised due to procedural and/or technological anomalies. The 2004 election was no different! All citizens must have equal access to voting and the electoral process in order to ensure our democracy! Following the Rally "Stand Up and Be Counted; A CASE for Democracy" Public Symposium 6:00 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. Africentric Middle School, 300 E. Livingston Ave., Columbus, OH. Click on the links below to find out more. *
CLICK THIS LINK to view the web version of this information and to download a flyer for distribution.
http://www.uacitizensforchange.com/rally/ *
CLICK THIS LINK to get an overview of 2004 election problems.
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688 •
CLICK THIS LINK to read the Caltech/MIT study:
http://www.votewatch.us/why/reports/report.2004-08-14.8236285198
Sponsor: http://www.CASEohio.org
Saturday, December 4, 2004 1:00 - 3:00 p.m.;
Ohio Statehouse;
Featured Speaker-Journalist Greg Palast .
Fact: Thousands of Ohio citizens had difficulty voting on November 2nd. Despite thousands of complaints, a planned recount, statewide public hearings, several lawsuits, a Congressional investigation and the outcry of voters rights groups, this fact has been dismissed or underreported by the mainstream media. Even Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, indicated the Ohio election was a huge success, saying, "We came through with flying colors." Washington Times, 11/04/04
We need thousands of people to attend our "Fight for Democracy Rally" to draw attention to voter issues AND to support the Congressional probe of allegations of irregularities in the November 2nd presidential vote. Please plan to attend and bring your friends! America's election system is badly flawed. So flawed, that a Cal Tech/MIT study of the 2000 Election discovered that as many as one in 18 citizens was disenfranchised due to procedural and/or technological anomalies. The 2004 election was no different! All citizens must have equal access to voting and the electoral process in order to ensure our democracy! Following the Rally "Stand Up and Be Counted; A CASE for Democracy" Public Symposium 6:00 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. Africentric Middle School, 300 E. Livingston Ave., Columbus, OH. Click on the links below to find out more. *
CLICK THIS LINK to view the web version of this information and to download a flyer for distribution.
http://www.uacitizensforchange.com/rally/ *
CLICK THIS LINK to get an overview of 2004 election problems.
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688 •
CLICK THIS LINK to read the Caltech/MIT study:
http://www.votewatch.us/why/reports/report.2004-08-14.8236285198
Sponsor: http://www.CASEohio.org
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It shows that rural counties supported Bush while urban counties supported Kerry. Both Kerry and Bush supported the war in Iraq and both would have carried out the massacre in Falluja in the same way so why does it matter?
I would be intersted in seeing county by county map of the world with the counties that cheer ever time a US solider is killed in Iraq because of how much people hate US troops after what was done in Falluja? Or a map showing how many people now feel 9/11 was justified after seeing the inhumanity of US government foreign policy in Iraq. In rural Pakistan Bin Laden is more popular than Musharraf ( http://www.alternet.org/story/11548 ), in S Thailand a recent BBC interview of a stand selling Bin Laden T shirts found that they were surprisingly popular. Before Nov 3rd people could use the excuse that Bush was evil and the US public didnt even really vote for him. Now thats a little harder so its not too surprising to find that the American people (and not just the government are being blamed). Its a shame its seen that way since there wasnt a real choice in the last election when it came to US actions in Iraq or in relation to Palestinians (Kerry sounded at times more hardline than Bush in support for Sharon). While the Bush re-election seems to guarantee another 9/11 style attack since the world can now feel justified in blaming American voters and not just the government, a Kerry victory could have been worse since if he were the one behind a massacre like Falluja it would be all too clear to the world that even the center-left in the US places little value on human lives when they are not American (although Clinton's bombing of civilian areas of Belgrade should have made that clear to most awhile ago).
I would be intersted in seeing county by county map of the world with the counties that cheer ever time a US solider is killed in Iraq because of how much people hate US troops after what was done in Falluja? Or a map showing how many people now feel 9/11 was justified after seeing the inhumanity of US government foreign policy in Iraq. In rural Pakistan Bin Laden is more popular than Musharraf ( http://www.alternet.org/story/11548 ), in S Thailand a recent BBC interview of a stand selling Bin Laden T shirts found that they were surprisingly popular. Before Nov 3rd people could use the excuse that Bush was evil and the US public didnt even really vote for him. Now thats a little harder so its not too surprising to find that the American people (and not just the government are being blamed). Its a shame its seen that way since there wasnt a real choice in the last election when it came to US actions in Iraq or in relation to Palestinians (Kerry sounded at times more hardline than Bush in support for Sharon). While the Bush re-election seems to guarantee another 9/11 style attack since the world can now feel justified in blaming American voters and not just the government, a Kerry victory could have been worse since if he were the one behind a massacre like Falluja it would be all too clear to the world that even the center-left in the US places little value on human lives when they are not American (although Clinton's bombing of civilian areas of Belgrade should have made that clear to most awhile ago).
Do you love your country?
How can one love a country. One can love people but how can one love a legal entity?
Poeple are people and one shouldnt value one human life over another based off of citizenship. Most religions would see the US view valuing one American life over 1000 Iraqis as extremely immoral but somehow moral values always refers to sex on TV rather than valuing human life.
Poeple are people and one shouldnt value one human life over another based off of citizenship. Most religions would see the US view valuing one American life over 1000 Iraqis as extremely immoral but somehow moral values always refers to sex on TV rather than valuing human life.
American Heroes...
I'm feeling sick- literally. I can't get the video Al-Jazeera played out of my head:
The mosque strewn with bodies of Iraqis- not still with prayer or meditation, but prostrate with death- Some seemingly bloated… an old man with a younger one leaning upon him… legs, feet, hands, blood everywhere… The dusty sun filtering in through the windows… the stillness of the horrid place. Then the stillness is broken- in walk some marines, guns pointed at the bodies... the mosque resonates with harsh American voices arguing over a body- was he dead, was he alive? I watched, tense, wondering what they would do- I expected the usual Marines treatment- that a heavy, booted foot would kick the man perhaps to see if he groaned. But it didn't work that way- the crack of gunfire suddenly explodes in the mosque as the Marine fires at the seemingly dead man and then come the words, "He's dead now."
"He's dead now." He said it calmly, matter-of-factly, in a sort of sing-song voice that made my blood run cold… and the Marines around him didn't care. They just roamed around the mosque and began to drag around the corpses because, apparently, this was nothing to them. This was probably a commonplace incident.
We sat, horrified, stunned with the horror of the scene that unfolded in front of our eyes. It's the third day of Eid and we were finally able to gather as a family- a cousin, his wife and their two daughters, two aunts, and an elderly uncle. E. and my cousin had been standing in line for two days to get fuel so we could go visit the elderly uncle on the final day of a very desolate Eid. The room was silent at the end of the scene, with only the voice of the news anchor and the sobs of my aunt. My little cousin flinched and dropped her spoon, face frozen with shock, eyes wide with disbelief, glued to the television screen, "Is he dead? Did they kill him?" I swallowed hard, trying to gulp away the lump lodged in my throat and watched as my cousin buried his face in his hands, ashamed to look at his daughter.
"What was I supposed to tell them?" He asked, an hour later, after we had sent his two daughters to help their grandmother in the kitchen. "What am I supposed to tell them- 'Yes darling, they killed him- the Americans killed a wounded man; they are occupying our country, killing people and we are sitting here eating, drinking and watching tv'?" He shook his head, "How much more do they have to see? What is left for them to see?"
They killed a wounded man. It's hard to believe. They killed a man who was completely helpless- like he was some sort of diseased animal. I had read the articles and heard the stories of this happening before- wounded civilians being thrown on the side of the road or shot in cold blood- but to see it happening on television is something else- it makes me crazy with anger.
And what will happen now? A criminal investigation against a single Marine who did the shooting? Just like what happened with the Abu Ghraib atrocities? A couple of people will be blamed and the whole thing will be buried under the rubble of idiotic military psychologists, defense analysts, Pentagon officials and spokespeople and it will be forgotten. In the end, all anyone will remember is that a single Marine shot and killed a single Iraqi 'insurgent' and it won't matter anymore.
It's typical American technique- every single atrocity is lost and covered up by blaming a specific person and getting it over with. What people don't understand is that the whole military is infested with these psychopaths. In this last year we've seen murderers, torturers and xenophobes running around in tanks and guns. I don't care what does it: I don't care if it's the tension, the fear, the 'enemy'… it's murder. We are occupied by murderers. We're under the same pressure, as Iraqis, except that we weren't trained for this situation, and yet we're all expected to be benevolent and understanding and, above all, grateful. I'm feeling sick, depressed and frightened. I don't know what to say anymore… they aren't humans and they don't deserve any compassion.
So why is the world so obsessed with beheadings? How is this so very different? The difference is that the people who are doing the beheadings are extremists… the people slaughtering Iraqis- torturing in prisons and shooting wounded prisoners- are "American Heroes". Congratulations, you must be so proud of yourselves today.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
I'm feeling sick- literally. I can't get the video Al-Jazeera played out of my head:
The mosque strewn with bodies of Iraqis- not still with prayer or meditation, but prostrate with death- Some seemingly bloated… an old man with a younger one leaning upon him… legs, feet, hands, blood everywhere… The dusty sun filtering in through the windows… the stillness of the horrid place. Then the stillness is broken- in walk some marines, guns pointed at the bodies... the mosque resonates with harsh American voices arguing over a body- was he dead, was he alive? I watched, tense, wondering what they would do- I expected the usual Marines treatment- that a heavy, booted foot would kick the man perhaps to see if he groaned. But it didn't work that way- the crack of gunfire suddenly explodes in the mosque as the Marine fires at the seemingly dead man and then come the words, "He's dead now."
"He's dead now." He said it calmly, matter-of-factly, in a sort of sing-song voice that made my blood run cold… and the Marines around him didn't care. They just roamed around the mosque and began to drag around the corpses because, apparently, this was nothing to them. This was probably a commonplace incident.
We sat, horrified, stunned with the horror of the scene that unfolded in front of our eyes. It's the third day of Eid and we were finally able to gather as a family- a cousin, his wife and their two daughters, two aunts, and an elderly uncle. E. and my cousin had been standing in line for two days to get fuel so we could go visit the elderly uncle on the final day of a very desolate Eid. The room was silent at the end of the scene, with only the voice of the news anchor and the sobs of my aunt. My little cousin flinched and dropped her spoon, face frozen with shock, eyes wide with disbelief, glued to the television screen, "Is he dead? Did they kill him?" I swallowed hard, trying to gulp away the lump lodged in my throat and watched as my cousin buried his face in his hands, ashamed to look at his daughter.
"What was I supposed to tell them?" He asked, an hour later, after we had sent his two daughters to help their grandmother in the kitchen. "What am I supposed to tell them- 'Yes darling, they killed him- the Americans killed a wounded man; they are occupying our country, killing people and we are sitting here eating, drinking and watching tv'?" He shook his head, "How much more do they have to see? What is left for them to see?"
They killed a wounded man. It's hard to believe. They killed a man who was completely helpless- like he was some sort of diseased animal. I had read the articles and heard the stories of this happening before- wounded civilians being thrown on the side of the road or shot in cold blood- but to see it happening on television is something else- it makes me crazy with anger.
And what will happen now? A criminal investigation against a single Marine who did the shooting? Just like what happened with the Abu Ghraib atrocities? A couple of people will be blamed and the whole thing will be buried under the rubble of idiotic military psychologists, defense analysts, Pentagon officials and spokespeople and it will be forgotten. In the end, all anyone will remember is that a single Marine shot and killed a single Iraqi 'insurgent' and it won't matter anymore.
It's typical American technique- every single atrocity is lost and covered up by blaming a specific person and getting it over with. What people don't understand is that the whole military is infested with these psychopaths. In this last year we've seen murderers, torturers and xenophobes running around in tanks and guns. I don't care what does it: I don't care if it's the tension, the fear, the 'enemy'… it's murder. We are occupied by murderers. We're under the same pressure, as Iraqis, except that we weren't trained for this situation, and yet we're all expected to be benevolent and understanding and, above all, grateful. I'm feeling sick, depressed and frightened. I don't know what to say anymore… they aren't humans and they don't deserve any compassion.
So why is the world so obsessed with beheadings? How is this so very different? The difference is that the people who are doing the beheadings are extremists… the people slaughtering Iraqis- torturing in prisons and shooting wounded prisoners- are "American Heroes". Congratulations, you must be so proud of yourselves today.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Is bushcountry04map.jpg from an Al Qaeda website? It makes the US look prtetty bad but on a positrive note for those of us living in blue areas it probably means we will be safe from any major attacks on the US in response to Falluja :) I wonder if Al Qaeda will use those maps for targetting.....
It shows physical territory, not people. Territory doesn't vote. People do. A political system that gives more power to a person in one place than to a person in another place, can in no way be considered democratic.
In response to "repost from an Iraqi" ya know the day prior that Marine lost his buddy in the same type of situation: Wounded insurgent in a Mosque pleading for help, Marine goes to help, insurgent rolls over releasing grenade, Marine gets blown to bits. The surviving Marine wounded in the face is back in action the following day in the same type of situation. What would you do? I kinda understand what must have been going through his mind. War is ugly. I don't think you or I would react any differently. Besides, are the insurgents supposed to be using mosques, schools and hospitals as hide-outs? This I feel contributes to the problem. Just a thought. I'm an average joe so please go easy on me!
More bullshit by devoy clogging up this "newswire"
what a wanker................
You're not fooling anyone. We know you posted this.
what a wanker................
You're not fooling anyone. We know you posted this.
"ya know the day prior that Marine lost his buddy"
Losing one's buddy justifies gunning down prisoners and comitting war crimes? Americans are so starnge, they demand the death penality because they want to be "tough on crime" but when police beat people up or solidiers gun down civilians or prisoners there is always an easy excuse. Did anyone ever consider that the Falujans who burned alive the Blackwater secuirty guards also were angry over budies being killed? Being angry at a whole group of people and wanting to kill them because someone from that group did something bad to you is the usual excuse behind war cimrs. Serbs killed Bosnians out of revenge not because they thought it was fun. Saddam killed Shias because he saw them as a threat not because he liked to kill people. In the recent debate on NPR about the use of torture the commentators were trying to argue that in the war on terror torture might be needed to get information as if any other government that uses torture isnt acting on that exact same motive. Sure the guy did what most other marines did in Falluja, he gunned down someone who was not a threat since he was angry at Iraqis and orders were given that it was ok to gun down all fighting aged men. Thats the usual case when it comes to why soldiers carry out war crimes. When others carry out war crimes Americans act shocked and demand action, but when Americans carry out war crimes it has to be ok as long as the victim isnt an American (since the lives of nonAmericans dont really matter and if a solders decides to off an Iraqi becuase he is having a bad day the feelings of the soldier matter more than killing an Innocent Iraqi, I means whats the life of an Iraqi worth compared to a Marine having a bad day)
Losing one's buddy justifies gunning down prisoners and comitting war crimes? Americans are so starnge, they demand the death penality because they want to be "tough on crime" but when police beat people up or solidiers gun down civilians or prisoners there is always an easy excuse. Did anyone ever consider that the Falujans who burned alive the Blackwater secuirty guards also were angry over budies being killed? Being angry at a whole group of people and wanting to kill them because someone from that group did something bad to you is the usual excuse behind war cimrs. Serbs killed Bosnians out of revenge not because they thought it was fun. Saddam killed Shias because he saw them as a threat not because he liked to kill people. In the recent debate on NPR about the use of torture the commentators were trying to argue that in the war on terror torture might be needed to get information as if any other government that uses torture isnt acting on that exact same motive. Sure the guy did what most other marines did in Falluja, he gunned down someone who was not a threat since he was angry at Iraqis and orders were given that it was ok to gun down all fighting aged men. Thats the usual case when it comes to why soldiers carry out war crimes. When others carry out war crimes Americans act shocked and demand action, but when Americans carry out war crimes it has to be ok as long as the victim isnt an American (since the lives of nonAmericans dont really matter and if a solders decides to off an Iraqi becuase he is having a bad day the feelings of the soldier matter more than killing an Innocent Iraqi, I means whats the life of an Iraqi worth compared to a Marine having a bad day)
Hey partner, I think you got the wrong amigo! I guess I thought you enjoyed these kinds of discussions. Sometimes people agree with you and sometimes they don't. Of course if everyone agreed with you it would be really boring. At the same time I try to be civilized in my conduct. I am probably much older than you. I can tell as you seem to be full of energy.(judging by what you've written above) I'm not looking to argue but rather exchange thoughts. "Exchange" means you tell me something AND I tell you something. If we disagree ...who cares? we're just talking ! I will not post anything else if you don't want me to. I'm very sorry if I upset you.
Okay you've lost me in this. I'm not saying he wanted revenge, was having a bad day, or was angry at the wounded Iraqi insurgent. I'm simply saying he made the comparison to operations the day prior and acted on that.
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