FUCK THE POLICE!!! -- TAKE ACTION TO RECLAIM OUR COMMUNITIES FROM COLONIALISM!!!

You know I don't consider myself pro-cop--------- but when someone tries to take hostages (including children) and then fires shots at the cops while driving recklessly through a neighborhood----------should I really feel sorry (or that an injustice was done) because he got killed?

As far as the witness's goes, I've heard contradictory things. If their are any legit witnesses they need to step up and be counted. What are their names?

do you know anyone who lives in the fillmore? hunters point?

the black community has been fractured systematically in these neighborhoods historically for quite some time... there are a number of very well documented and widely-known ways in regards to how this is accomplished. i would advise that you do some research before asking this question.

bell hooks, while shaky in terms of dealing with the wide variety of gendered possibilities in her work, although very articulate on certain dominant ideas of structure and abuse as it relates to family, has just finished doing, i'm pretty sure, more than one book about black self esteem. you should run and pick one up.

the black panthers did a great deal of organizing in the western addition, and every trace of their legacy has been completely eradicated. now you're on fillmore and there's a police station and a mcdonalds. there's weird banners that hang off lightposts talking about a jazz district. jazz? jazz for whom? jazz sits in a very specific place on a fairly polarized class grid, that is amongst black folks, that is to give you some idea to how balkanized people are culturally, as just one way of describing differences in economic status, race privilege, gender identity... make no mistake, i was not in san francisco during the 70s. however, from my experiences living here i can say that no grand sense of collective-ness exists which completely embraces all facets of black life. to my understanding, black folks can't stand their own people on the other block nowadays.

but, this is merely on the black end of things. it's generally common practice in all cases where the police kill someone for no reason at all that it is completely overlooked regardless of the evidence. to top it all off, the residents of larch way where cammerin boyd died are scared to death of the beast (that's late 90s conscious hip hop for police officer). while passing out fliers there for this demo, an aunt of cammerin told me that the people living directly in front of the parking space where cammerin was murdered has refused to return her phonecalls. the night of cammerin's murder, these same people told her they had seen everything happen. everyone on larch way wants to move and separate themselves from this oppressive feeling of being trapped and eternally under suspicion, poor, broken and helpless. you should go by there and try to find witnesses. whoops... i'm back on the black side.

but on the otherside, like i was saying, witnesses get discredited. it's a common thing. if you don't fit the criterion of a witness, you can be rejected for numerous reasons. but they probably don't show all that on law and order, so you might not know that.

the media has also done it's part to paint an image of cammerin as a criminal. at a recent police commission meeting (or neo-liberal crypto-fascist police state lovefest and pork-a-thon) i heard a woman who i think was on the school board or the national league of housewives that sleep with police cyborgs characterize cammerin as a felon. i can't really say how i would respond... i mean i was really mad at that occassion... but, no, i'm talking about, say, hypothetically if i lost a loved one to police violence... i'm greatly desensitized to loss. this was something i sort of sensed on larch way. an overpowering feeling of hopelessness, like biding time before getting finally done in. but, it's a numb kind of hopelessness. like being trapped in a bank vault. at some point, i guess you burn out. i know i've lost the energy to deal with a lot of bullshit in the world... every once in a while i surprise myself... but back to this hypothetical situation: so i lost a loved one... and everyone in the world keeps telling me that they deserved it, that they're a criminal... i guess you reach a point when you run out of energy to really react. you see that a lot in black folks around certain things. from some elders, i always get injunctions to "keep fighting! i'll be watching you." like what the fuck? does fighting stop at one point? like bell hooks with her bmw (or is it angela y.)

it's funny if you watch my people sometimes. well, not funny... but sort of... well... it constantly frustrates and perplexes me. like for example, i smell sometimes. it's the whole crusty thing. on the bus, i'll get all the lovable youngsters talking all kinds of things around all over the top like for days and days ad nauseum about my odor. but how many of these people will say something about the pigs cuffing someone they know? it's like we're living in television sets sometimes, looking out the bus and watching the world die. i mean, my hypothetical loved one being dead and all, why would i give a fuck what you think? let's not get all hollywood with it... every day feels like a dress rehearsal for my own out of body grieving ceremony, anyway... but maybe you don't know what i'm talking about at all...

plus, is it really healthy to be putting all this energy into explaining that to you? do you care? because you obviously don't think. well, i guess you thought to be reactionary, and, being fair, that is something... but you're not very observant... or brave... because neither was what you said necessarily daring or original or startling on any level, but around this issue, you did yourself indicate some uncertainty on the issue; so also lazy, as well as cowardly, because in order to find out what you're unclear on you'd have to actually go into a black neighborhood and ask somebody... but let's just sit here and discuss these things in our cozy anonymity... you can be reactionary and i can honor you with my limitless insight into a dark and mysterious wonderland... you'll be on your side of the screen, i'll be on mine... and we'll talk about things occuring in an apartheid city... and we'll measure truth against fiction... we can get all cute and binary with it... yeah... white letters on black... negative, positive, negative, positive...

My hope would be.. that going into the community and taking back the streets from the pigs.. would help the truth come out.. people may feel encouraged to talk when they see support on the streets.. In any event, is there any truth to the above comment re: "hostages"? I googled Cammerin Boyd and hostages and found nothing to go on.

To ammo: As far as the hostages go. http://www.ktvu.com/news/3278554/detail.html

To Mary Groundswell:
First off all. Take a fuckin bath!!!

Second. You don't know shit about me (including my race, where I'm from, and where I live) so shut the fuck up about my knowledge/or lack of about black people.

Third-- Since you're into making assumptions about people--- let me say that you should demand your parents money back from New College because obviously the good professors did a horrible job of explaining the word "colonialism" to you. Cammerin Boyd's mommy was a well-off lawyer, he was from the Oakland hills. The world has people who are real victims of colonialism and then there are dimwits like you who apply the label to any person with dark skin.

Fourth-- I don't have the fuckin time to go research every injustice, alleged or otherwise. So for example it would be persuasive to maybe see an interview, on this website with some of the winesses, by somebody who has the inspiration, time, and BRAINS to do it.

The point is we don't know conclusively what happened because people are too intimidated to talk .. apparently even to community activists much less police. But there were a number of documented statements in the media that Boyd was surrendering, and no witnesses reported shots being fired (aside from police shots). I'm pretty certain the word "colonialism" here refers to the black neighborhoods, projects, gentrification and so forth, not to any one person. It would be great to have any interviews that people have been able to do published here.

The fact that Boyd had had a run-in with the Oakland police in the same week is strong evidence that he was on sometype of death-wish trip. If their were dozen of witnesses, like some reports say--- well give me just one that will step up to the plate and say what happened? I know police lie a lot and that some people might have real reasons to be intimated but DOZENS? Come on.

boyd has been going down the wrong road for years and it was only a matter of time untill he was killed by some one , jailed or something like this. it is sad that no one stepped up to help this young man when he needed it most. he was betrayed by the adults in his life. he did not have a chance

the meetings are no longer at ella hill hutch

the new location is

every monday 5:30 pm
Ella Baker Center
54 Mint
suite 300

Mint alley is between 5th and 6th
and Mission and Market
behind the old mint
next to balazo taqueria

if momma had at least tried to do her job then baby-boyd wouldnot have been in the shoot out with police

You wouldn't be sitting around making racist comments about people you know nothing about.

How is Randar's statement racist?

it was juvenile as well... but if you can't tell why it's racist, you need to educate yourself.

now I suppose you're going to tell me that Boyd deserved to get shot, and he was asking for it, right? but that would also be racist, of course.

if boyd had been given the care and guidance he needed as a child he would have been alive today. and for the person who throws the race card around, this only shows your inability to deal with others in an adult manner with out resorting to race to draw attention to yourself. what ever point you where trying to make is lost in the ignorance of your words. the betray you as a child lost like boyd was.

The comment made no mention of race, it only talked about properly raising a child. How is that racist?
Please educate me, apparently I am missing the secret code or subliminal message in that post.

if he would have been ginen a decent chance at life and by that I mean at least one parent who cared this would not have happened

regardless of the ''facts'' let me educate you whites who still arent aware how cops treat black men.i am of very light complexion not kinky hair but i have been threatened and called racial names by cops merely because i questioned their profiling behavior toward me.merely walking down the street humming a tune from my walkman.i am a world traveled educated person.get real .cops dont like black men of even the slightest negroid feature.in my case dark hair and not perfect nordic nose.i am lighter that many italians.

Cause we would never want the "Facts" to get in the way of a good lie. I think many "Facts" were left out of the above post.

cops dont like black men of even the slightest negroid feature.- world traveler

rather fast draw of that their race card Tex....

To Mr. "World Traveled Educated Light Skinned Black Man,"
I am a police officer. When I first come into contact with a person, it is not their race that I first check out. It is their demeanor, their cooperation, or lack thereof. A lack of cooperation can lead to a danger or threat to a police officer, and I am sure you can appreciate a police officer being concerned for their safety. Need I remind you of Off. Isaac Espinoza (RIP).

I question the manner in which you claim to "question" a police officer's "profiling" and the circumstances that bring you into contact with the police.

As for Mr. Boyd. He did have a decent chance, better than most. His mother was a lawyer, and he was a star football player with a scholarship to college. But what did he do? He chose to evade the police in a car chase that ended with him in a collision that left him a double amputee. From there, he continued down his road to a life of crime. No one can be blamed for the choices he made but him. He chose his demise by evading police repeatedly and having a weapon which he did shoot at the police with before they shot him. Frankly, I think he intentionally committed blue suicide.

Now all you "white man is keeping the black man down" believers will say it wasn't his fault, it was the cops, it was society's, it was everyone but him. At what point do you think a person has to take responsibility for their own actions? That is what is wrong with your ideology, you don't take responsibility, you blame others.

Where are all of these types of angry articles when there is black on black crime in this city...this year in San Francisco the homicide rate is out of control and not because the SFPD is shooting black people, but because black men are shooting each other..I guess its only politically correct to raise your voices when perhaps you can get paid off by the city attorneys office....if you are dumb enough to pull a gun on a cop then you should be leaving the scene in a body bag...interesting how there are always so many 'eye witnesses' to police shootings, but where are all these people when there are shootings that do not involve the SFPD...Boyd got what he deserved, the world is a better place without him.

Cammerin Boyd gives black men a bad name. He wasn't an innocent person "gunned down" by police as his money hungry mother would want you to believe. He was a punk who wanted to die and was too much of a coward to do it himself so he had the popo do it for him. Mrs. B oyd...have you no decency?

TO ALL THOSE COWARD POLICE WHO ARE REJOYCING AT THEIR ABILITY TO EXECUTE A DISABLED AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN - IT MUST NOT FEEL TOO GOOD TO FINALLY BE EXPOSED FOR WHO AND WHAT YOU TRULY ARE!!!!

Yes, it must be very difficult to have your raign of terror exposed. You probably never thought in your wildest callous vision of engendering a public sentiment that "the police are always good guys just protecting us from the likes of Cammerin Boyd", would somehow backfire on you. Don't you know, good people are tired of corrupt police? Why do you feel so compel to convince people that the racist killer undercover cop who killed Cammerin Boyd, was just doing his job? Don't you know that it is not the "job" of the police to kill people? Well -- maybe you don't know that, maybe that's the problem. So, we have to teach you your job. We have to train you and re train you to instill proper law enforcement - in particular the cardial rule: "you do not kill a suspect in order to arrest him". Have you ever heard of this before? No, it doesn't appear that you have, otherwise
you would not insist that "yo boys, the ones that were taking revenge for the death of Esponza, did the right thing when they killed Cammerin Boyd."

By the way we have an aninomous tip, probably a good police officer, that's going to bring your house of cards down. That person was there and witnessed everything and has come forward, IA knows all about it, your bubble is about to burst wide open, just wait and see.

So you can continue to spread mis information and lies. Cammerin Boyd did not shoot at the police, there was no chase, there was no attempted kidnapping, and when that no good pig shot Cammerin, he shot Cammerin while his hands were raised surrending. And, yo ass is mad because Cammerin managed to keep you from killin' him where the only witnesses would be a bunch of coward ass pigs.

And, by the way, IA knows about the "white van", you know the one that shot up the area just before Cammerin was killed.

Oh, your "blue sucide" theory won't work either, come up with something better, if you can.

I realize the post above does not deserve a response but I found it humerous and would like to point a few things out.
Since when was an "undercover" officer involved in the shooting? Kinda funny how NOBODY knows a about the mystery undercover officer. Your in the wrong City bro, no such thing as "IA" here. Where can I look up these "cardial" rules you speak of? As far as the "white van", you have your shooting incidents mixed up.
You obviously know nothing of this case. I would guess all the investigations are over and those cops are still on the street. Sounds like a completely justified shooting.
Hopefully mama Boyds' law suit will lead to at least 10 hours of overtime training for the officers on how to deal with a "disabled" person that is trying to kill them.

a shotgun in every window.

sorry to here about the loss of life.. I was not there to make a real comment on this subject. I do not think that you should put down the whole Police Department. When you need them to help you, you will be glad.

What's wrong with you ignorant people?
by A 5-0 Thursday, Nov. 18, 2004 at 2:37 AM

To Mr. "World Traveled Educated Light Skinned Black Man,"
I am a police officer. When I first come into contact with a person, it is not their race that I first check out. It is their demeanor, their cooperation, or lack thereof. A lack of cooperation can lead to a danger or threat to a police officer, and I am sure you can appreciate a police officer being concerned for their safety. Need I remind you of Off. Isaac Espinoza (RIP).

LOL if you so concerned about your sfatey MIND YOUR OWN BUISNESS and maybe you wont come into contact with a danger or threat, so no I do not appreciate a Police officer being concerned for their safety because IT"S YOUR JOB and if you choose to go into a dangerous situtation why should anyone else care?

I question the manner in which you claim to "question" a police officer's "profiling" and the circumstances that bring you into contact with the police.

Police get mad when no-ones obeying their Authority and Police just stop anyone for no reason!! I guess you guys gotta bring up your arrest quota's so you can claim to be supercop thios month.

As for Mr. Boyd. He did have a decent chance, better than most. His mother was a lawyer, and he was a star football player with a scholarship to college. But what did he do? He chose to evade the police in a car chase that ended with him in a collision that left him a double amputee. From there, he continued down his road to a life of crime. No one can be blamed for the choices he made but him. He chose his demise by evading police repeatedly and having a weapon which he did shoot at the police with before they shot him. Frankly, I think he intentionally committed blue suicide.

LOL So your little gang the Police even picks on amputee's?
And if he commited blue suicide he probably wouldnt have fired back but knowing Police when they get scared they get a bit jumpy and I guess the rest of the story is self explanatory.

Now all you "white man is keeping the black man down" believers will say it wasn't his fault, it was the cops, it was society's, it was everyone but him. At what point do you think a person has to take responsibility for their own actions? That is what is wrong with your ideology, you don't take responsibility, you blame others.

Maybe the Police should take responsibility for their own actions and maybe other people will too, but I dont see the Police even giving it a bother so you have your answer.
So I guess you have the same problems with your ideology of not taking responsibility and blaming others for your own screw ups.

sorry to hear of the los of boyd
by D. F. Tuesday, Jun. 14, 2005 at 8:51 AM

sorry to here about the loss of life.. I was not there to make a real comment on this subject. I do not think that you should put down the whole Police Department. When you need them to help you, you will be glad.

LOL what color is the sky in your world?