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Getting Your Blood Boiling Dept.: A Real Life David Vs. Goliath and Implications
Most who believe they're "educated" or "informed" about the pedophile "menace" are having fancy-buttoned wool pulled over their eyes. Actual Sex abuse is fucked-up, yet the terminology used is hype terminology, designed to obfuscate and mobilize masses against people who happened to have been born to *fully genuinely care* about people called kids. Read the following account of anarchists taking on this issue, that is, if you can stop knocking yourself out with your knee-jerk reactions!!!
This article has been inspired by the author's empathy for a 13 year old young dude who *didn't know* that the State would COME DOWN on him IN MAJOR HEAVY WAYS when he *felt like* posting "pornographic" images of himself on the Internet. I do not know this human being, but I hold strong empathy for him and many many others who are going to be labeled "perpetrators" and "predators" for the REST OF THEIR LIVES! See Tacoma, WA's News Tribune for further info on the dude: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/4114381p-3880646c.html
Or, if that's no long up, the full article is at: http://www.seattle.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/242620.shtml
Implications
Here are three crucial IMPLICATIONS of continuing to allow, and actively support elites (and their tooled implementers) to engage in a WAR AT HOME on people engaged in or even open-endedly discussing (!) fully consensual intimacy with each other-- labeled pedophiles/sex offenders AND including those who have broken no laws (!) (INCLUDING CHILDREN, as published by Salon magazine, the Canadian radio station CBC re: "Ideas", and many others):
1) The MAJOR truth that is being suppressed and glossed over is that PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO FREELY INTERACT WITH KIDS. AND, in consequence, MUST FALL BACK ON IMPOSED PROFESSIONAL/GROAN-UP VALUES which are not their own intuitive, freely expressed thoughts! Allowing those values, subordinate to WHATEVER the State feels like imposing (!) to *speak us* all like puppets (fearful as all become to even *think* in grey areas on this issue!), and BETRAYING FULL HUMAN BEINGS CALLED CHILDREN, as if they are somehow "other" than the rest of us. As if the ONLY way to "protect" them from genuine abuse is by making war; and thus alienating people from each other even more than they have already been!
2) AND that u.s./western society in general HAS SUCCESSFULLY SMASHED THE POWER OF FULLY GENUINE BONDS BETWEEN THE GENERATIONS AND *BLOCKED ONE MORE MEANS* FOR TRUE/MEANINGFUL FRIENDSHIPS TO PASS RADICAL/DISSENTING/AUTONOMOUS/THOUGHT-THROUGH/EMPATHETIC VALUES ON! (bonding between generations, OF COURSE, doesn't necessarily mean that *everyone* would *dare* engage in illegal intimate relations with those raucously radical, pre-colonized ragamuffin kidz who come at those in their presence in all manner of wild abandon (!)--that is, until they LEARN to SILENCE THIS SIDE OF THEMSELVES AND BECOME DUMBED-DOWN AND MORONIC APPEARING LIKE MOST PEOPLE!!!!
3) FINALLY, that PERPETUAL WAR-ORIENTED SOCIETY will continue, SYSTEMICALLY, as long as the most radical of the spectrum of authentic bonds between the generations are made "worse than murder".
Provocative? YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS. Do continue reading, if you fucking dare!
STANDARD disclaimer:
I am not advocating authentic abuse of anyone. I am seeking to expose the ideological mystification of *legal terms* and jargon, such as "rape of a child". In the "justice" system, "RAPE" is a Legal Term used for ALL *illegal* actions, be they fully consensual, grey area consensual, or not consensual at all.
Real-Life David vs Goliath
Originally posted on an anarchist discussion board, replies to which appear in part, below.
summary:
A Real-Life David vs Goliath story: Hauling Up and Exposing the Bamboozle Game, re: sheep-herders and fanged sheeple mobilized to do the bidding of the Masters; this time around against people reduced down to one part of their friendships with others called young people/kids. A survivor of society abuse dares to speak!
NOTE: We are ALL survivors of society abuse. We have ALL been lassoed into the dominant paradigm, corralled, systematically broken (i.e. our attentions hooked), and domesticated.
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Your hysteria promised below.
,,,Nothing like a little hysteria to "clean out" the bloodvessels and expose ideologically unwanted truths to or about those claiming serious inclinations towards caring and thinking things through (hardee har har).
I'm sick and tired of continuing to listen silently to those people who seek to or already call themselves "radical" while at the same time completely and uncritically accept and perpetuate ideology which can be shown to *DIRECTLY SERVE THE INTERESTS OF THE STATE'S CONTINUING PERPETUAL WARS* on groups and individuals who would DARE (articulately or not) seek full lives outside the corralls and mental shackles of domesticated life.
At "home" and abroad!
While this introduction works for the general so-called content of many of those who call themselves "liberal or conservative" here (as if these two main-scream identities could contain "radical" thought in *any* shape or form), my main "agenda" in this post is to haul up and expose the @#%$ out of how people are being consistently *@#%$ over* by the propaganda and ideology of the therapeutic state.
(not that the other religions are any better!)
And *if by some crazy fluke* someone actually allows themselves to think through the situation I'm going to toss into your soon-to-be writhing midsts, great (welcome to social hell, friend; a reality we *don't have to* allow to psychologically rape and attack us, by the way.)
While the general state of affairs of *all* the social "sciences" is highly suspect (even Noam Chomsky acknowledges this), there is one aspect that I see as a key telling situation in exactly how "radical" (or honesty-oriented) folks actually are, compared to those who have simply been *indoctrinated* and *mobilized* like any trusting soldier nincompoop of Brave New World, Inc (oh, sorry, did I bruise your "ego"? How "inappropriate" of me!).
The issue sure to cause almost automatic (or automaton?) foaming at the mouth: consensual intimacy between persons called adults and persons called children, blanketly called "sex abuse" of "the worst sort" etc. etc. etc.
But wait! Catch that Knee Jerk Reaction (or, at least hook it up to the grid and run your favorite power tool off of it)! Let's not deny the piles of other hype: Like, that *if Kids are inarticulately "misbehaving" or not paying attention when Authority is Doing Their Jobs, the Kids "obviously" have one of the various "mental disorders"* including "Oppositional Defiant Disorder" (soon to be re-named, just like so many others).
Soviet psychiatry has already been implemented in "our" society.
But don't listen to me, because I'm "obviously" trying to mislead you gullible fools! (Well, that's what your preacher, er, therapist will tell you; dissenters are ideologically *NOT ALLOWED* to be heard, if they're not *first* dutifully playing the game of writing and submitting to each discipline's myriad journals!! Pretty nifty way to block radical dissent, by keeping only the implementer class *allowed* such discussion, while the soldier class--you the easily hyped--are simply Not Allowed--and viewed as *Never* capable!)
Okay, now I'll return to the Unspeakable (don't tell me you thought that I *had* to stay on *that* topic due to the Certainty of my "Obsessive Compulsive disorder"! How NAUGHTY of me!).
Human intimacy (where it actually occurs) is blanketly labeled "sex abuse" for propaganda purposes (*) and simply *CANNOT* be discussed rationally here or anywhere else (that is, beyond the mental war-game arena of the therapeutic state), when the issue leads beyond the pale of force-fed ideology. Force-fed?? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? And what planet did I say I'm from?!!
Those who Must Be Restricted from human intimacy with those called Adults are Protected (via restriction) by the Full Powers of the State (including via the semi-concealed threat/torture methods of all jails and prisons today, which sex dissidents like myself are all too aware of), as long as they (the people called children) Go Along With The Program. There are a few cases to my knowledge where the ideological victims have refused to play along with the State and they have suffered in not pretty ways.
*All touch* (and in some cases not even that) in "private areas" (that is, areas owned by the State, not the person directly involved--who is ideologically NEVER ALLOWED to be so human), is considered EVIL by all elites who want to continue to even imagine that they Might acquire A Seat At the illusory Table of the Privileged and "Powerful" (if They Know What's Good For Them). Forming bonds beyond appropriate corralls and supervision is against the interests of the Brave New World Order and cannot be consistently allowed. And is one of the reasons the issue was Rolled Against with so much money and energy right from the start of the latest Rollback Game.
But completely powerless-feeling and domesticated people cannot see this, so therefore I am some kind of trickster who Must Be PUlling Wool Over Your Eyes in some "Desperate Attempt" to "Justify" his "perversions" or Worse!
WHY this cannot be discussed rationally (especially by social "scientists" with careers to protect) is a vital insight to one way that the Slap of Reality acts on a consistent basis! But I'm *quite sure* you won't take my word for it (though if I wore the "right" labels, with the "right" medallions--i.e. PhD, Dr.--and said the "right" things, that'd be different, says the Stupidized Masses!!!!)!
Okay, blood flowing wildly yet?
Now you are feeling a little of the LIVIDNESS i feel (yet have learned to suppress, for basic survival purposes) for being a *SURVIVOR* of the kind of sex abuse that is NOT allowed to be understood much less heard in any allegedly "objective" way!
AT LEAST DARE to tell ourselves the truth behind our deeply ailing emotions (which, as with any domestic or foreign war, have been consistently fed a diet of hype, half-truths, fabricated truths, and bigotry on this topic)!
Be HOSTILE and S K E P T I C A L, but at least **see what you do**, and **who you align your so-called "radical" selves with**, and **where such a road takes you**! Use your dared allegedly "radical" thinking and alleged inclination of highly valuing your spiritual or/and "political" seeking in order to learn about how Things Have Gotten To Where They Are now.
(the tsunami of indignant dipshits may now be unleashed upon the fool solo challenger who *had better go into therapy or ELSE*!)
(Note: I've not included my email because it WILL be attacked or/and silenced/blocked as has happened to me many times before. But that's what one learns to expect when they go up against not merely a severely alienated individual who's abusive towards actual survivors of sex abuse or rape, but the State)
Okay, ya got this far. And maybe (?) you haven't completely incapacitated/drowned yourself by your foaming at the mouth...well that's all good and dandy. My metaphorical door is open to the expected splurge of dumbed-down fanged sheeple Who Will Never Wake Up until they themselves get Slapped in the Face with Reality!!!!
Links:
u.s. congress officially attacked this study which had already been published in the American Psychological Association's prestigious journal. If the APA had not submitted to the will of the u.s. congress, it would face immediate reprisals (which can *always* lead to "loss" of legitimacy or worse!); so, of course they Turned On Their Heels and Plead Innocence (like any obedient Galileo!):
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm
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germania
Unregistered User
Reply @#%$ this is a complex subject.
it is difficult to discuss for so many reasons.
i agree that is 1 of the hardest to discuss rationally.
not all the reasons for that come from state control, mob mentality,cowardice or idealogy.
we are all sexually hurting and pschologically dameged from the kinds of societies we live in. even those who have not been sexually abused or are abusers have their share of hang ups which go beyond the conscious.
there is also a culture of revenge which focusues far more on acusation,categorization,punishment and the need to control, than on the need for healing. this obscures the incredibly fluid and heterogenous nature of hurt and trauma-which cannot be generically defined.
an emphasis on an ethic of punitive justice rather than repair and compassion and joy is partly at work as well.
i am glad the study cited points out the difference between adolescents and children.
i hope we can see that concepts like children, adolecents and adults are both social constructs, idealogical crutches, impositons on freeom AND biological facts as well.
brains and bodies tend to change with growth and age. in many ways not uniformly, but in some ways generally so.
i also asume you recognize the mass existence of actual CSA and the pain people feel but simply see it as not one singular phenomonen, and reject generic state measures of what constitutes abuse. right or ?
and you also arent defending pedophiles, you just want such blanket terms as pedophile to be replaced by actual understandings of social interactions, both painful and not, am i right?
many of us are survicors of sexual abuse and see it as a quite important and hurtful issue, even though as anarchists we reject the constrictive terms of how such subjects are seen and dealt with.
as you speak with people about this, you must prepare for the reality of the wounds caused and realize the pain is valid, even if our understandings about the actual causes has been confused by fundamentalisms, social control, political campaigns and pop psychology.
what im wondering is what you, survivor , are proposing here, beyond just pointing out the obvious hypocracy of an abusive society that then points its finger everywhere else.
what would you more specifically like to see change in
terms of certain practices.
has anyone seen this topic on this forum before?
why did you choose this forum?
cheers
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lokislittletoy
Unregistered User
Reply hmmmm I am extremely skeptical of such claims. It is far too easy for perpetrators to create justifying ideology for their violations, and violation is so rampant and so damaging, such discussion seems frankly out of place until such time at least as we live in a society based on something other than authoritarianism, paternalism, and coercion. Of course freedom of speech allows debate on any topic, but the topic frankly seems in bad taste as it interferes with the very important historical movement to RECOGNIZE child sexual abuse, and such fine hairs as this is drawing I think only distracts from the campaign.
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DestroyerOfLaws
Reply Re: this should get the blood going: Real-Life David vs Goli i'm sorry, i tried to read the initial post by survivor, but i have a headache right now and could not seem to sift through the bombardment of incoherent ramblings and tangents. what exactly are you talking about?
c_o__p___ ____k_____i___l__l_er
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germania
Unregistered User
Reply to whoever posted this thread
ok i just became aware of this little snipet in the text:
"including via the semi-concealed threat/torture methods of all jails and prisons today, which sex dissidents like myself are all too aware of), "
what do you mean by "sex dissident" ?
am i smelling something bad here?
we re trying to be generous, no one has gone off on you,
so you should really clarify yourself at this point.
if you cant show us that much, or if this is just a justification of child abuse (were trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here) then i think this thread should be deleted as it could only hurt and wouldnt have anything to do with liberation.
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a survivor of society abuse
Unregistered User
Reply so-called "anarchists" can't see ideology tooling Are you "generous" people even anarchists/anti-authoritarian????
The "bad" you smell, dear germania, is, methinks, the stink of exactly how deep your indoctrination is (Careful now, anarchist, you *wouldn't want* to wake up toooooo deeply! What would *everyone else* think, after all???). Deep inside you (?) others have instilled ideas that life/truth beyond the corrall of "Acceptable" intimacy is BAD BAD BAD. EVIL. SICK. UNCLEAN.
You pull back the jargon and whoops, there lying beneath is the same old Morality coercions; the Story that the massified individual must hold in his *mind* (in order to do the bidding of his Masters).
Look at the language you use (I'm speaking to all the repliants, but include you as well, germania), Riders of High Horses/anarchist snobs (oh, "sorry", such poetic language too "strange" for you? Quick, I should conform to "the way" y'all speak--such a deadened death cult ure speaking,,,eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeK)!!!
The language itself, the idea of "perpetrator" and etc. is the language of the psychocops, the language of ideology, which reduces entire groups into places where they can *never* find a way to speak their singular truths!
You are/have been STEEPED in propaganda of many forms, including this issue, yet you act as if you hold the keys to What Can Be "radical" and What Can NOT (puh-leeze). (Hell, even if *YOU* do start to see this side of the truth, you will find yourself completely incapable of speaking such, due to the climate of propaganda on this topic. You may as well be an Iraqi insurgent making a plea for Mainstream America to hear the reality of shamerican foreign policy!)
Okay, for one of you who was capable of asking somewhat a thoughtful question:
What is a "sex dissident"?
That can be a few different things. For the topically-challenged, that can be any member of the now semi-tolerated mainstream community of gay/lesbian/polyamorous.
My meaning is two-fold: to dissent from the imagination of intimacy and bonding called "sex" (I wonder at the etymology of this word that rhymes with 'hex'), which is reduced, in the popular mind, down to procreative acts and interactions which expose the deep-seated alienation of the oft *acting* (literally) of participants of various identity groups. Big breath, whew, quite a mouthful, eh? (Truth be told, i'm torn between the intellectual language of so many anarchismists and creating my own languaging as an artform)
Dissenting from the imposed "Reality" of What Sex Is (i.e. the often non-connection that heteros and gays experience), and allowing ourselves to *lead* our own arting of life together with those we care about and have formed bonds with.
Secondly, and lastly (as far as I know, for I am into thinking as a *process* continually evolving!), a *sex dissident* is someone who dissents from popularized (and propagandized) notions of sexuality and sexual identity, and intimacy in general.
Walt Whitman was a sex dissident as he spoke of being a Mountain Sexual and a Tree Sexual. He artfully dissented from popularized notions, as well as the limits imposed by war-centric society (suiciety).
i/we *all* are survivors of society abuse
yet incrementally different based on our experiences and qualitive (?) indoctrinations. All of us are continually becoming more aware as we dare to speak our truths and our desires, and not merely masks and camoflauge.
Next explosion, please.
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a survivor of society abuse
Unregistered User
Reply re: germania's first reply, and the original article Oops, germania, i had a knee-jerk-reaction attack, and didn't even read your first reply, since a cuss word was the subject and i figured it was a major FLAME (didn't note you as the author either) (so used, i am to flamethrowing BLASTS by the Hypocritical in so many places)
germania:
not all the reasons for that come from state control, mob mentality,cowardice or idealogy.
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I disagree. We are products, with as much as *twenty generations* of colonization warfare behind us. Of us as unprepared persons being forcefully colonized/domesticated/warred-upon (if we are of Euro discent; African and indigenous folks have less, historically, as far as I can decipher).
We *cannot* discount the part that state control, "mob mentality", cowardice, and ideology play, especially in the context of *consistent* propaganda warfare upon each and every one of us (including those groomed for policymaking/planning positions!).
The *original* imagination called society put us into the extreme pain, alienation, and lostness most of us feel (and many others of us have suppressed, allowing inarticulate responses to escape, as befits any deeply colonized person who has been separated from themselves so deeply!)
The *need for control* is one example of an inarticulate response of great loss and pain. Desires for control *reflect* those who feel out of control! (man, i have much more to say on this, but figure i don't need to right now)
Btw, this is one of the problems i have with anarchist theory, especially Left-leaning anarchist theory. It starts with the assumption of Reality from the point of view of the Left/Right Model of political organization and seems to *accept* that organization as *natural*! (methinks i've lost you, yes?) How about this: the assumptive notion of what is referred to as "freedom". Left-anarchists identify with *freedom* and "obtaining" it. (okay, i admit, i've lost *myself* here!!! Give me awhile to think about this more...i'm doing as Feyerabend is supposed to have done, playing with others' challenges and trying to figure em out)
Of course i see the side of truth of actual abuse/'csa' (didn't i point that out? that's *The* standard disclaimer)while at the same time pointing out, as you most assuredly already know, that the label csa become (or always been?) a propaganda term; thus many many convicted offenders not realizing that *all intimacy* is ideologically considered "evil" and illegal (reminds me of a billboard someone in San Francisco had to put up to wake people up to this Reality).
Yeah, long-winded.
germania:
biological facts as well.
brains and bodies tend to change with growth and age. in many ways not uniformly, but in some ways generally so.
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I am skeptical of how exactly biological changes mandate notions of rules for fully genuine intimacy.
germania:
not defending pedophiles
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Huh? Well, i'm a bibliophile and an audiophile, because i love books and audio. i do see the polytricks of this mystified term, the commandeerment by psychiatrick propaganda, and the popular notion of a pedophile as a monster. Are you trying to weave a web of tricks, or?
Or maybe i'm being too defensive? Because, yes, I like this statement:
"...replaced by actual understandings of social interactions, both painful and not, am i right?"
i am a survivor of sexual abuse also, but the definition is broader than the one imposed by psychiatric propaganda. That's why i used the term survivor of society abuse, because it better encompasses the reality that we are *all* abused by society, by the foundational war mentality of the imagination called society. My free-flowing desires, ever since i was a youngster, have been dammed and re-directed (i.e. towards the glorification of war and its impliments) and beaten-down and out of me, so that the po'lice inside my head got the best of me (until i began waking up).
germania:
as you speak with people about this, you must prepare for the reality of the wounds caused and realize the pain is valid, even if our understandings about the actual causes has been confused by fundamentalisms, social control, political campaigns and pop psychology.
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i've been speaking to people on this topic for over ten years, in public, and elsewhere. Time and time again, i find that there is *no way* to discuss the topic, period, other than by seeking to demystify the whole damn macro/micro picture.
As mobilized as soldiers called citizens and survivors have been, i tend to *not* automatically subordinate myself to their authoritarian reflections. Why should anyone grovel underneath their War??? You would understand if I was a Black in the 1920s being told to Be NICE to the Crackers because he is so stuck in Pain (having been hurt by a few Blacks in his life). "F uck" that bullshit! (what a society where "f u c k" is such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaadly strong word).
This whole game of NICE wreaks of colonizers tooling our dumbed-down a s s es! What is this phenomenon in root? Perhaps in the context of all social institutions (and accompanying imaginations) which have forgotten the excellence of LOUD, OPEN-ENDED, INTENSITY, *most* have simply forgotten that excellence (not to say that this method wouldn't have third-persons blocking those wanting to kill or maim).
Sure, grey area approaches are decisive; and i certainly take those into account, as any 1920s Black surrounded by Cracker mentality!
germania:
what would you more specifically like to see change in
terms of certain practices.
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i would like to see more radicals/anarchists gain sincerely radical understandings of how enemies are systematically created, paraded, and perpetuated time and again.
i would like to see ways anarchists *facilitate indepth interactions* of many sorts (articulate, inarticulate, and grey area), and evolve beyond forever reactionary direct actions. The AJODA debate was excellent, yet nowhere near the intensity (and resulting inspiring excellence) that could be dared. (As one who HAS overcome his fears and dared, in public, to hellraise on this issue, i've seen amazing potentials--potentials which thought controllers--mainstream, Left, and center, *don't* want us to pioneer.
After all, we are to remain *stuck* within their bigotry of our incapableness and stupidity!
i would like to see a cadre of radicals challenge the rainbow gathering circle, strategically, and crucially mess with all the violent prone towards *mutually beneficial outcomes*. Past persons whom've outed themselves, or dared promote such discussion, have been met with knife weilders and threats, but these reactionaries are deeply tooled by their indoctrinations (or are agent provacateurs).
(this brings up an entirely new can of worms, heh)
bit of original article edit:
This paragraph should read:
*Consider, for a moment, a form of* human intimacy (where it actually occurs) that is blanketly labeled "sex abuse"--for propaganda purposes and simply *CANNOT* be discussed rationally here or anywhere else (that is, beyond the mental war-game arena of the therapeutic state), when the issue leads beyond the pale of force-fed ideology. Force-fed?? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? And what planet did I say I'm from?!!
(editing editing editing, always having to do editing!)
Note: my email addresses have been consistently blocked/rendered unusable, so I don't use email anymore
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Or, if that's no long up, the full article is at: http://www.seattle.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/242620.shtml
Implications
Here are three crucial IMPLICATIONS of continuing to allow, and actively support elites (and their tooled implementers) to engage in a WAR AT HOME on people engaged in or even open-endedly discussing (!) fully consensual intimacy with each other-- labeled pedophiles/sex offenders AND including those who have broken no laws (!) (INCLUDING CHILDREN, as published by Salon magazine, the Canadian radio station CBC re: "Ideas", and many others):
1) The MAJOR truth that is being suppressed and glossed over is that PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO FREELY INTERACT WITH KIDS. AND, in consequence, MUST FALL BACK ON IMPOSED PROFESSIONAL/GROAN-UP VALUES which are not their own intuitive, freely expressed thoughts! Allowing those values, subordinate to WHATEVER the State feels like imposing (!) to *speak us* all like puppets (fearful as all become to even *think* in grey areas on this issue!), and BETRAYING FULL HUMAN BEINGS CALLED CHILDREN, as if they are somehow "other" than the rest of us. As if the ONLY way to "protect" them from genuine abuse is by making war; and thus alienating people from each other even more than they have already been!
2) AND that u.s./western society in general HAS SUCCESSFULLY SMASHED THE POWER OF FULLY GENUINE BONDS BETWEEN THE GENERATIONS AND *BLOCKED ONE MORE MEANS* FOR TRUE/MEANINGFUL FRIENDSHIPS TO PASS RADICAL/DISSENTING/AUTONOMOUS/THOUGHT-THROUGH/EMPATHETIC VALUES ON! (bonding between generations, OF COURSE, doesn't necessarily mean that *everyone* would *dare* engage in illegal intimate relations with those raucously radical, pre-colonized ragamuffin kidz who come at those in their presence in all manner of wild abandon (!)--that is, until they LEARN to SILENCE THIS SIDE OF THEMSELVES AND BECOME DUMBED-DOWN AND MORONIC APPEARING LIKE MOST PEOPLE!!!!
3) FINALLY, that PERPETUAL WAR-ORIENTED SOCIETY will continue, SYSTEMICALLY, as long as the most radical of the spectrum of authentic bonds between the generations are made "worse than murder".
Provocative? YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS. Do continue reading, if you fucking dare!
STANDARD disclaimer:
I am not advocating authentic abuse of anyone. I am seeking to expose the ideological mystification of *legal terms* and jargon, such as "rape of a child". In the "justice" system, "RAPE" is a Legal Term used for ALL *illegal* actions, be they fully consensual, grey area consensual, or not consensual at all.
Real-Life David vs Goliath
Originally posted on an anarchist discussion board, replies to which appear in part, below.
summary:
A Real-Life David vs Goliath story: Hauling Up and Exposing the Bamboozle Game, re: sheep-herders and fanged sheeple mobilized to do the bidding of the Masters; this time around against people reduced down to one part of their friendships with others called young people/kids. A survivor of society abuse dares to speak!
NOTE: We are ALL survivors of society abuse. We have ALL been lassoed into the dominant paradigm, corralled, systematically broken (i.e. our attentions hooked), and domesticated.
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international copyright (no commercial media may publish in whole or part; all non-profit left/post-left anarchist media *MAY* publish)
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Your hysteria promised below.
,,,Nothing like a little hysteria to "clean out" the bloodvessels and expose ideologically unwanted truths to or about those claiming serious inclinations towards caring and thinking things through (hardee har har).
I'm sick and tired of continuing to listen silently to those people who seek to or already call themselves "radical" while at the same time completely and uncritically accept and perpetuate ideology which can be shown to *DIRECTLY SERVE THE INTERESTS OF THE STATE'S CONTINUING PERPETUAL WARS* on groups and individuals who would DARE (articulately or not) seek full lives outside the corralls and mental shackles of domesticated life.
At "home" and abroad!
While this introduction works for the general so-called content of many of those who call themselves "liberal or conservative" here (as if these two main-scream identities could contain "radical" thought in *any* shape or form), my main "agenda" in this post is to haul up and expose the @#%$ out of how people are being consistently *@#%$ over* by the propaganda and ideology of the therapeutic state.
(not that the other religions are any better!)
And *if by some crazy fluke* someone actually allows themselves to think through the situation I'm going to toss into your soon-to-be writhing midsts, great (welcome to social hell, friend; a reality we *don't have to* allow to psychologically rape and attack us, by the way.)
While the general state of affairs of *all* the social "sciences" is highly suspect (even Noam Chomsky acknowledges this), there is one aspect that I see as a key telling situation in exactly how "radical" (or honesty-oriented) folks actually are, compared to those who have simply been *indoctrinated* and *mobilized* like any trusting soldier nincompoop of Brave New World, Inc (oh, sorry, did I bruise your "ego"? How "inappropriate" of me!).
The issue sure to cause almost automatic (or automaton?) foaming at the mouth: consensual intimacy between persons called adults and persons called children, blanketly called "sex abuse" of "the worst sort" etc. etc. etc.
But wait! Catch that Knee Jerk Reaction (or, at least hook it up to the grid and run your favorite power tool off of it)! Let's not deny the piles of other hype: Like, that *if Kids are inarticulately "misbehaving" or not paying attention when Authority is Doing Their Jobs, the Kids "obviously" have one of the various "mental disorders"* including "Oppositional Defiant Disorder" (soon to be re-named, just like so many others).
Soviet psychiatry has already been implemented in "our" society.
But don't listen to me, because I'm "obviously" trying to mislead you gullible fools! (Well, that's what your preacher, er, therapist will tell you; dissenters are ideologically *NOT ALLOWED* to be heard, if they're not *first* dutifully playing the game of writing and submitting to each discipline's myriad journals!! Pretty nifty way to block radical dissent, by keeping only the implementer class *allowed* such discussion, while the soldier class--you the easily hyped--are simply Not Allowed--and viewed as *Never* capable!)
Okay, now I'll return to the Unspeakable (don't tell me you thought that I *had* to stay on *that* topic due to the Certainty of my "Obsessive Compulsive disorder"! How NAUGHTY of me!).
Human intimacy (where it actually occurs) is blanketly labeled "sex abuse" for propaganda purposes (*) and simply *CANNOT* be discussed rationally here or anywhere else (that is, beyond the mental war-game arena of the therapeutic state), when the issue leads beyond the pale of force-fed ideology. Force-fed?? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? And what planet did I say I'm from?!!
Those who Must Be Restricted from human intimacy with those called Adults are Protected (via restriction) by the Full Powers of the State (including via the semi-concealed threat/torture methods of all jails and prisons today, which sex dissidents like myself are all too aware of), as long as they (the people called children) Go Along With The Program. There are a few cases to my knowledge where the ideological victims have refused to play along with the State and they have suffered in not pretty ways.
*All touch* (and in some cases not even that) in "private areas" (that is, areas owned by the State, not the person directly involved--who is ideologically NEVER ALLOWED to be so human), is considered EVIL by all elites who want to continue to even imagine that they Might acquire A Seat At the illusory Table of the Privileged and "Powerful" (if They Know What's Good For Them). Forming bonds beyond appropriate corralls and supervision is against the interests of the Brave New World Order and cannot be consistently allowed. And is one of the reasons the issue was Rolled Against with so much money and energy right from the start of the latest Rollback Game.
But completely powerless-feeling and domesticated people cannot see this, so therefore I am some kind of trickster who Must Be PUlling Wool Over Your Eyes in some "Desperate Attempt" to "Justify" his "perversions" or Worse!
WHY this cannot be discussed rationally (especially by social "scientists" with careers to protect) is a vital insight to one way that the Slap of Reality acts on a consistent basis! But I'm *quite sure* you won't take my word for it (though if I wore the "right" labels, with the "right" medallions--i.e. PhD, Dr.--and said the "right" things, that'd be different, says the Stupidized Masses!!!!)!
Okay, blood flowing wildly yet?
Now you are feeling a little of the LIVIDNESS i feel (yet have learned to suppress, for basic survival purposes) for being a *SURVIVOR* of the kind of sex abuse that is NOT allowed to be understood much less heard in any allegedly "objective" way!
AT LEAST DARE to tell ourselves the truth behind our deeply ailing emotions (which, as with any domestic or foreign war, have been consistently fed a diet of hype, half-truths, fabricated truths, and bigotry on this topic)!
Be HOSTILE and S K E P T I C A L, but at least **see what you do**, and **who you align your so-called "radical" selves with**, and **where such a road takes you**! Use your dared allegedly "radical" thinking and alleged inclination of highly valuing your spiritual or/and "political" seeking in order to learn about how Things Have Gotten To Where They Are now.
(the tsunami of indignant dipshits may now be unleashed upon the fool solo challenger who *had better go into therapy or ELSE*!)
(Note: I've not included my email because it WILL be attacked or/and silenced/blocked as has happened to me many times before. But that's what one learns to expect when they go up against not merely a severely alienated individual who's abusive towards actual survivors of sex abuse or rape, but the State)
Okay, ya got this far. And maybe (?) you haven't completely incapacitated/drowned yourself by your foaming at the mouth...well that's all good and dandy. My metaphorical door is open to the expected splurge of dumbed-down fanged sheeple Who Will Never Wake Up until they themselves get Slapped in the Face with Reality!!!!
Links:
u.s. congress officially attacked this study which had already been published in the American Psychological Association's prestigious journal. If the APA had not submitted to the will of the u.s. congress, it would face immediate reprisals (which can *always* lead to "loss" of legitimacy or worse!); so, of course they Turned On Their Heels and Plead Innocence (like any obedient Galileo!):
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm
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germania
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Reply @#%$ this is a complex subject.
it is difficult to discuss for so many reasons.
i agree that is 1 of the hardest to discuss rationally.
not all the reasons for that come from state control, mob mentality,cowardice or idealogy.
we are all sexually hurting and pschologically dameged from the kinds of societies we live in. even those who have not been sexually abused or are abusers have their share of hang ups which go beyond the conscious.
there is also a culture of revenge which focusues far more on acusation,categorization,punishment and the need to control, than on the need for healing. this obscures the incredibly fluid and heterogenous nature of hurt and trauma-which cannot be generically defined.
an emphasis on an ethic of punitive justice rather than repair and compassion and joy is partly at work as well.
i am glad the study cited points out the difference between adolescents and children.
i hope we can see that concepts like children, adolecents and adults are both social constructs, idealogical crutches, impositons on freeom AND biological facts as well.
brains and bodies tend to change with growth and age. in many ways not uniformly, but in some ways generally so.
i also asume you recognize the mass existence of actual CSA and the pain people feel but simply see it as not one singular phenomonen, and reject generic state measures of what constitutes abuse. right or ?
and you also arent defending pedophiles, you just want such blanket terms as pedophile to be replaced by actual understandings of social interactions, both painful and not, am i right?
many of us are survicors of sexual abuse and see it as a quite important and hurtful issue, even though as anarchists we reject the constrictive terms of how such subjects are seen and dealt with.
as you speak with people about this, you must prepare for the reality of the wounds caused and realize the pain is valid, even if our understandings about the actual causes has been confused by fundamentalisms, social control, political campaigns and pop psychology.
what im wondering is what you, survivor , are proposing here, beyond just pointing out the obvious hypocracy of an abusive society that then points its finger everywhere else.
what would you more specifically like to see change in
terms of certain practices.
has anyone seen this topic on this forum before?
why did you choose this forum?
cheers
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lokislittletoy
Unregistered User
Reply hmmmm I am extremely skeptical of such claims. It is far too easy for perpetrators to create justifying ideology for their violations, and violation is so rampant and so damaging, such discussion seems frankly out of place until such time at least as we live in a society based on something other than authoritarianism, paternalism, and coercion. Of course freedom of speech allows debate on any topic, but the topic frankly seems in bad taste as it interferes with the very important historical movement to RECOGNIZE child sexual abuse, and such fine hairs as this is drawing I think only distracts from the campaign.
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DestroyerOfLaws
Reply Re: this should get the blood going: Real-Life David vs Goli i'm sorry, i tried to read the initial post by survivor, but i have a headache right now and could not seem to sift through the bombardment of incoherent ramblings and tangents. what exactly are you talking about?
c_o__p___ ____k_____i___l__l_er
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germania
Unregistered User
Reply to whoever posted this thread
ok i just became aware of this little snipet in the text:
"including via the semi-concealed threat/torture methods of all jails and prisons today, which sex dissidents like myself are all too aware of), "
what do you mean by "sex dissident" ?
am i smelling something bad here?
we re trying to be generous, no one has gone off on you,
so you should really clarify yourself at this point.
if you cant show us that much, or if this is just a justification of child abuse (were trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here) then i think this thread should be deleted as it could only hurt and wouldnt have anything to do with liberation.
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a survivor of society abuse
Unregistered User
Reply so-called "anarchists" can't see ideology tooling Are you "generous" people even anarchists/anti-authoritarian????
The "bad" you smell, dear germania, is, methinks, the stink of exactly how deep your indoctrination is (Careful now, anarchist, you *wouldn't want* to wake up toooooo deeply! What would *everyone else* think, after all???). Deep inside you (?) others have instilled ideas that life/truth beyond the corrall of "Acceptable" intimacy is BAD BAD BAD. EVIL. SICK. UNCLEAN.
You pull back the jargon and whoops, there lying beneath is the same old Morality coercions; the Story that the massified individual must hold in his *mind* (in order to do the bidding of his Masters).
Look at the language you use (I'm speaking to all the repliants, but include you as well, germania), Riders of High Horses/anarchist snobs (oh, "sorry", such poetic language too "strange" for you? Quick, I should conform to "the way" y'all speak--such a deadened death cult ure speaking,,,eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeK)!!!
The language itself, the idea of "perpetrator" and etc. is the language of the psychocops, the language of ideology, which reduces entire groups into places where they can *never* find a way to speak their singular truths!
You are/have been STEEPED in propaganda of many forms, including this issue, yet you act as if you hold the keys to What Can Be "radical" and What Can NOT (puh-leeze). (Hell, even if *YOU* do start to see this side of the truth, you will find yourself completely incapable of speaking such, due to the climate of propaganda on this topic. You may as well be an Iraqi insurgent making a plea for Mainstream America to hear the reality of shamerican foreign policy!)
Okay, for one of you who was capable of asking somewhat a thoughtful question:
What is a "sex dissident"?
That can be a few different things. For the topically-challenged, that can be any member of the now semi-tolerated mainstream community of gay/lesbian/polyamorous.
My meaning is two-fold: to dissent from the imagination of intimacy and bonding called "sex" (I wonder at the etymology of this word that rhymes with 'hex'), which is reduced, in the popular mind, down to procreative acts and interactions which expose the deep-seated alienation of the oft *acting* (literally) of participants of various identity groups. Big breath, whew, quite a mouthful, eh? (Truth be told, i'm torn between the intellectual language of so many anarchismists and creating my own languaging as an artform)
Dissenting from the imposed "Reality" of What Sex Is (i.e. the often non-connection that heteros and gays experience), and allowing ourselves to *lead* our own arting of life together with those we care about and have formed bonds with.
Secondly, and lastly (as far as I know, for I am into thinking as a *process* continually evolving!), a *sex dissident* is someone who dissents from popularized (and propagandized) notions of sexuality and sexual identity, and intimacy in general.
Walt Whitman was a sex dissident as he spoke of being a Mountain Sexual and a Tree Sexual. He artfully dissented from popularized notions, as well as the limits imposed by war-centric society (suiciety).
i/we *all* are survivors of society abuse
yet incrementally different based on our experiences and qualitive (?) indoctrinations. All of us are continually becoming more aware as we dare to speak our truths and our desires, and not merely masks and camoflauge.
Next explosion, please.
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a survivor of society abuse
Unregistered User
Reply re: germania's first reply, and the original article Oops, germania, i had a knee-jerk-reaction attack, and didn't even read your first reply, since a cuss word was the subject and i figured it was a major FLAME (didn't note you as the author either) (so used, i am to flamethrowing BLASTS by the Hypocritical in so many places)
germania:
not all the reasons for that come from state control, mob mentality,cowardice or idealogy.
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I disagree. We are products, with as much as *twenty generations* of colonization warfare behind us. Of us as unprepared persons being forcefully colonized/domesticated/warred-upon (if we are of Euro discent; African and indigenous folks have less, historically, as far as I can decipher).
We *cannot* discount the part that state control, "mob mentality", cowardice, and ideology play, especially in the context of *consistent* propaganda warfare upon each and every one of us (including those groomed for policymaking/planning positions!).
The *original* imagination called society put us into the extreme pain, alienation, and lostness most of us feel (and many others of us have suppressed, allowing inarticulate responses to escape, as befits any deeply colonized person who has been separated from themselves so deeply!)
The *need for control* is one example of an inarticulate response of great loss and pain. Desires for control *reflect* those who feel out of control! (man, i have much more to say on this, but figure i don't need to right now)
Btw, this is one of the problems i have with anarchist theory, especially Left-leaning anarchist theory. It starts with the assumption of Reality from the point of view of the Left/Right Model of political organization and seems to *accept* that organization as *natural*! (methinks i've lost you, yes?) How about this: the assumptive notion of what is referred to as "freedom". Left-anarchists identify with *freedom* and "obtaining" it. (okay, i admit, i've lost *myself* here!!! Give me awhile to think about this more...i'm doing as Feyerabend is supposed to have done, playing with others' challenges and trying to figure em out)
Of course i see the side of truth of actual abuse/'csa' (didn't i point that out? that's *The* standard disclaimer)while at the same time pointing out, as you most assuredly already know, that the label csa become (or always been?) a propaganda term; thus many many convicted offenders not realizing that *all intimacy* is ideologically considered "evil" and illegal (reminds me of a billboard someone in San Francisco had to put up to wake people up to this Reality).
Yeah, long-winded.
germania:
biological facts as well.
brains and bodies tend to change with growth and age. in many ways not uniformly, but in some ways generally so.
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I am skeptical of how exactly biological changes mandate notions of rules for fully genuine intimacy.
germania:
not defending pedophiles
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Huh? Well, i'm a bibliophile and an audiophile, because i love books and audio. i do see the polytricks of this mystified term, the commandeerment by psychiatrick propaganda, and the popular notion of a pedophile as a monster. Are you trying to weave a web of tricks, or?
Or maybe i'm being too defensive? Because, yes, I like this statement:
"...replaced by actual understandings of social interactions, both painful and not, am i right?"
i am a survivor of sexual abuse also, but the definition is broader than the one imposed by psychiatric propaganda. That's why i used the term survivor of society abuse, because it better encompasses the reality that we are *all* abused by society, by the foundational war mentality of the imagination called society. My free-flowing desires, ever since i was a youngster, have been dammed and re-directed (i.e. towards the glorification of war and its impliments) and beaten-down and out of me, so that the po'lice inside my head got the best of me (until i began waking up).
germania:
as you speak with people about this, you must prepare for the reality of the wounds caused and realize the pain is valid, even if our understandings about the actual causes has been confused by fundamentalisms, social control, political campaigns and pop psychology.
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i've been speaking to people on this topic for over ten years, in public, and elsewhere. Time and time again, i find that there is *no way* to discuss the topic, period, other than by seeking to demystify the whole damn macro/micro picture.
As mobilized as soldiers called citizens and survivors have been, i tend to *not* automatically subordinate myself to their authoritarian reflections. Why should anyone grovel underneath their War??? You would understand if I was a Black in the 1920s being told to Be NICE to the Crackers because he is so stuck in Pain (having been hurt by a few Blacks in his life). "F uck" that bullshit! (what a society where "f u c k" is such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaadly strong word).
This whole game of NICE wreaks of colonizers tooling our dumbed-down a s s es! What is this phenomenon in root? Perhaps in the context of all social institutions (and accompanying imaginations) which have forgotten the excellence of LOUD, OPEN-ENDED, INTENSITY, *most* have simply forgotten that excellence (not to say that this method wouldn't have third-persons blocking those wanting to kill or maim).
Sure, grey area approaches are decisive; and i certainly take those into account, as any 1920s Black surrounded by Cracker mentality!
germania:
what would you more specifically like to see change in
terms of certain practices.
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i would like to see more radicals/anarchists gain sincerely radical understandings of how enemies are systematically created, paraded, and perpetuated time and again.
i would like to see ways anarchists *facilitate indepth interactions* of many sorts (articulate, inarticulate, and grey area), and evolve beyond forever reactionary direct actions. The AJODA debate was excellent, yet nowhere near the intensity (and resulting inspiring excellence) that could be dared. (As one who HAS overcome his fears and dared, in public, to hellraise on this issue, i've seen amazing potentials--potentials which thought controllers--mainstream, Left, and center, *don't* want us to pioneer.
After all, we are to remain *stuck* within their bigotry of our incapableness and stupidity!
i would like to see a cadre of radicals challenge the rainbow gathering circle, strategically, and crucially mess with all the violent prone towards *mutually beneficial outcomes*. Past persons whom've outed themselves, or dared promote such discussion, have been met with knife weilders and threats, but these reactionaries are deeply tooled by their indoctrinations (or are agent provacateurs).
(this brings up an entirely new can of worms, heh)
bit of original article edit:
This paragraph should read:
*Consider, for a moment, a form of* human intimacy (where it actually occurs) that is blanketly labeled "sex abuse"--for propaganda purposes and simply *CANNOT* be discussed rationally here or anywhere else (that is, beyond the mental war-game arena of the therapeutic state), when the issue leads beyond the pale of force-fed ideology. Force-fed?? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? And what planet did I say I'm from?!!
(editing editing editing, always having to do editing!)
Note: my email addresses have been consistently blocked/rendered unusable, so I don't use email anymore
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