Gypsy Mountain Raided

being of roma decent I find the slang use of the term (Gypsy) to be offensive to my ancestory. it is not unlike calling an asian a gook, or a black man a nigger. you have insulted the Roma heritage. in fact this david cane has no ancestorial ties to Roma. this use of the derogatory term (Gypsy) shows your disgrguard for minorities in general.

if the term Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

Merriam Webster's notes derogatory meaning for both the n-word and the g-word, but not for gypsy, which means both Roma and peripatetic (wandering) in English.

I have heard it asserted that "to gyp/gypped" is, however, derogatory to gypsies (or Gypsies if you prefer), because it implies that cheating/swindling is a characteristic of that people.

MW attributes the word to the 17th C. English notion that Gypsies were from Egypt. Thus I suppose that it could be offensive in the same way that "Indian" is when applied to Native American, in that a whole people wear the name derived from someone else's misunderstanding of their origins. But I've heard Native Americans use the term without the apparent irony (or reclamative function) of, say, the n-word in rap culture or the f-word in gay culture.

On the other hand, maybe you're just trying to stir shit up, by appropriating what you think is "politically correct" speech. So lemme ask you: where the heck does Roma come from anyways? Couldn't have been a misperception of origins.....

WHAT ARE YOUTALKING ABOUT!!!! are you for real? forget about this, and go and defend aradia

people use them to express ideas.

maybe it's you, should go back to communing with trees and things.... and more power to ya. here in the city, we think more than one thing at a time sometimes, for better ot worse.

say, you're all for biodiversity, right? how's about agenda diversity? can you grant us that much.........

apparently aradia has been cut and most were arrested at the resistance. apparently some fat pig also roughed up one of the forest defenders. i say get pepper spray up in the rest of the sits and negotiate with shitz that way.

so whats the update with the trees?

She's gone. It was unreal to be there, & the fact still feels unreal. We love you Aradia.

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.
now we shall see what is in your hearts and minds.

But how we humans treat each other is NOT directly connected to how we humans treat non-human Nature.

We could solve all our inter human problems, end evils such as "racism" (in this case the term is being used for "ethnic hate" rathehr than "race" per se) and STILL rape the Earth. We could also as individual communities perhaps manage to live locally on a sustainable basis while hating neighboring peoples.

If somebody wants to discuss that "environmentals" are not free of the human evil of hate (of other humans) that's well and good, but to what purpose? Was there supposoed to be some doubt about that possibility? If the intent is criticism along the lines "you shouldn't bother about fighting to protect the environment; it's more important for you to concern yourselves with human justice issues" well that's another matter. More a matter of judgement about relative importance of the problems we humans face, a judgement about which we may honestly disagree. And to whch I would make the argument "What does social justice mean on a dead planet? The equality of the grave?"

Of course there IS the belief of some of the "politicals" among us that there is no overall environmental problem. That what we perceive as an environmental crisis is just the consequences of social injustice and if we humans could find out how to live together justly then all other evils would vanish. That's a wonderful "faith", but unfortunately not all of us can accept that "religion"

Three treesitters were lowered from treesits, and one of them escaped. The other two went to jail. One activists has a dislocated shoulder after being arrested on the ground. Aradia and three other trees were cut.

I'm all for savin the old growth trees. I'm all for getting back to a sustainable way of life. However, I have to say that unless the world is completely blown to pieces in a nuclear war, trees will survive. It is a tradgedy for sure that the old growth trees are under attack, but let's get real here.

The trees are not under threat of becomming extinct or something. People will die before the trees. So you may think that our "religion" of needing social change is naieve, but that's exactly why many of us believe the same about environmentalist activists.

Save the whales, but what about the humans? If we don't overcome our social disfunction, we may end up destroying the whole world. Humans, whales, and trees included. So yes, there is an overall solution, and that is to remove the rich from power. Remove the people from power who exploit the earth without seeing the consiquences. Who pillage just for profit.

There is a root cause of environmental exploitation. It is linked to the root cause of human exploitation, and animal exploitation, and exploitation of the earth and it's resources. You may think that us city activists don't care or something when in reality it may just be that we see that our struggles are linked, and that there are many fronts to fight on. That said, there are many places where there will be a battle, but do you honestly think that if we got people to stop logging that everything would be ok? If you do, then I'm sorry to say that you're the one being naieve.

Overcomming the power of greed is our only chance to change the course of the human race fundamentally. This includes the need to stop clear cutting or old growth logging. It also includes ending exploitation of other areas of the earth. It also includes ending exploitation of humans and other animals ON the earth. Fundamental change is needed. As long as we can agree on that, we can fight our own battles with the knowledge that we're not alone. Other freedom fighters in other areas of the world are fighting along side for freedom for everyone. Humans, animals and trees included.

The term "Roma" is not a "misperception of origins". It has nothing to do with Rome, Romans, Romania, etc., as I can only guess you are implying, Doubt. It comes from the Roma's own language, having its origins in northern India. Just thought I'd throw in that clarification.

I'm not sure I agree that the term "Gypsy" is always offensive ("gypped" probably is). I do, however, think we should try to be as respectful and careful as possible when it comes to dealing with issues of ethnicity and race.

The road tunnelers on Hwy 36 have been dug up and evicted. Hooray for PL!!! It only took 15 minutes to build a road around them. Dem doggon earth firster types shur can dig, boy! I saw their handywork. Regular moles, they are. Too bad they don't channel that energy towards real solutions. I'm talking about gettin paid; you know what I'm sayin my nigga? Peace.

those who point out the insensativity of the use of the name "Gypsy" have a point, but what can be done? We can't change a dead person's mind on what nickname he chose for himself! Also note that the name "Gypsy" was not used to put down the Roma people - exactly the opposite! so please, chill...we all have to be a little bit tolerant of each others' ignorances, but they are indeed worth pointing out.

those who don't think it is important to save the "trees" (don't forget that the forests are made up of trees and all life on earth depends on forests around the world) are just a bit unedjucated. Get your head out of the smog for a minute and check out the natural world! You can do it!

as for the person who thinks that EF!ers should be concentrating on making money, well, that sounds suspicously like what the PALCO employee "Adam" suggested we do....

one more thing....the tunnel-trolls were not "evicted"...the ineffective overweight simpleton bacon-beater pigs could NOT evict the trolls, who escaped into the night to wreak havoc once again...
"he who fight and run away live to fight another day!"
PALCO truly has their backs against the wall, and they know it. Unfortunately, the hard-working deforesters are too narrow-minded to come up with any ideas as to what to do except keep cutting away at the future and blame EF!ers and people of conscience and courage for the inevitable decline of the timber industry.

thanks for the news

corruption in earth first

the cover up continues! it seems there is an all out effort to cover up the scandal of earth first corruption. with information coming in from all sides earth first "franticly denies" any wrong doings but is at a loss the explain how they came to own a recording company, along with the growing list of other ventures purchased with money from this claimed nonprofit company.
earth first has turned a cold shoulder to members asking for an explanation of
what is being done with money given to fund environmental projects.

I really don't understand how you people can live with yourselves.

My comments evidently fell on deaf ears. I did not say that you should focus on making money, but that perhaps a more effictive way, including working within the system would be more productive. That comment was in response to a discussion we were having that treesitting was not a very productive way to save trees.

If you dumd hippies really want to save trees, for future generations of eco tourism and the like. Get a fund togeather and try and purchase some trees or plots of land covered with trees. Then you can say you really have done something for the common good of all. Not just the few selfless idiots that try to save the forest by tree sitting. You are wasting your time like you are wasting your lives, sittin in a tree and doing nothing postive, for anyone nothing is accomplished by this sort of activity. The only thing you get out of a tree sit is good pot from your buddys and free food from the bleeding heart establishments in arcata like: Ramones, Wildberries and the co-op all give you outdated food to eat when you get the munchies after a few bowl loads. I have heard you all hoot and holleren up in the woods sounds like quite a party, but no way of life. Get your heads outa your collective asses and do something real for a change tres sits are no longer an effective way to protect trees. Look what you did to wonderful arida you got her chopped down because you sat in her. Think about that for awhile jackass.

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.

using donated money for your self is wrong we did not give you money to spend on your self, what are you thinking.
this is avery bad thing to do. do your friends know you are doing this. well I can say you will get no more money from me

as earthfirst would have us believe

The Gipsies ... are an idle, miserable race, a curse to the countries they inhabit, and a terror to the farmer through whose lands they stroll.

Romani International, Inc. will be taking on the task of getting Gypsy mountian renamed to something more ethical for the minorities that travle this ares, as they should not be
insulted in this way

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Real Professor Marianne Ahokas
English 320
12 Sep 2004
Art and the Onion
A determined and conniving woman, daughter of a butcher, marries her father's foreman. When her husband is driven to drink and violence by their unhappy marriage, the woman abandons him. She isolates him from his children, and gives him neither money, nor food, nor shelter, so that the poor, broken man is made to earn his living in the sheriff's service, waiting in the bailiff's office to be employed. The wife, now free to make her way in the world, opens a disreputable boarding house, in which she allows the ribald antics of her young male clientele, so long as they pay her fee. She casts her virginal, alluring daughter in amongst these men, hoping in secret that one of them might be taken in by the girl's charm. One of the men indeed falls prey to the trap lain by the cunning woman. He succumbs to the daughter's seduction and is then set upon by the mother and morally strongarmed into a marriage against his will.
In a similar Dublin, a similar butcher's daughter is forced to flee an abusive, drunken husband when he attacks her with a butcher knife. Put in the position of sole provider for herself and her two children, she decides to open a boarding house, one of the only businesses available to her in a time when women had few rights and fewer opportunities. She attempts to provide for her young

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daughter by finding her employment as a typist, but when the drunken and abusive father attempts to contact her there, the mother takes the daughter back to work in their home, knowing that if she can't provide for herself, the girl will need a husband to care for her and hoping that she might find a likely suitor amongst the gentlemen with whom they live. One of these boarders, a mature man nearly twice the girl's age, begins with her an illicit and public affair. Without regard for the strict etiquette of courtship or respect to the mother in her own establishment, the man allows the relationship to become serious, to the point that the young girl's honor is in jeopardy. Seeing this the mother takes the only reasonable course: she insists that the man take responsibility for his play and marry her child.
This is James Joyce's The Boarding House, told in two very different ways. The plot is the same, as are the characters, even the point of view. It's the perspective that sets them apart. The perspective in this work is an effective force; the author has used it, whether consciously or unconsciously, to manipulate his audience in ways which are subtle and highly effective. By moving the point of view between the characters but always keeping the perspective with Doran, Joyce leads the innocent reader to remark on the wickedness of women and the critical reader to remark on the wickedness of that very idea.
The story begins with a view of Mrs Mooney. She is described in terms of events: she marries, she opens a business, her husband destroys it, he attacks

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her with a meat cleaver, and she leaves him. These details are no more than a factual account. Joyce allows her no signs of the distress one might feel in such circumstances and so asks no sympathy on behalf of his character from the reader.
But aah! The narrator's eye now moves to the deposed husband. He is a pitiable wretch of a man, a "shabby, stooped little drunkard" who sits abandoned in the bailiff's office, helpless and harmless and alone. Mrs Mooney, meanwhile, has only gained in power since their separation. She opens a boarding house. She is a "big, imposing woman" who runs the house "cunningly and firmly," and is referred to by her young boarders as "the Madam." This title in such a context creates a sly association with the sexual impropriety of the matron of a brothel, also called the "Madam" in that time.
The boarding house is indeed of somewhat loose moral character. Her clientele are tourists and artistes. Among them live her poorly raised son Jack, a coarse man fond of obscenities, and her attractive young daughter Polly. Joyce moves Polly like a lewd puppet; she is introduced to the audience by an explicitly vulgar song : "I'm a naughty girl / you needn't sham / you know I am." None of her supposedly "naughty" thoughts or actions are described, only her alluring features and habit of glancing upwards which, the narrator says, makes her look "like a perverse little madonna." A critical reader might wonder what embedded justification exists for such a statement, but why she appears perverse he doesn't

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say, and the statement must be accepted on faith or seen as an aspect of the intended or unintended meaning by the author.
When an illicit liaison begins between Polly and Bob Doran, one of the boarders, Mrs Mooney has no reaction of hurt of outrage. Instead she is able, like the butcher's daughter she is, to "[deal] with moral problems as a cleaver deals with meat," or, in other words, to cut through the sentiments of the flesh with inhuman decisiveness. She schemes how best to force the man into a commitment of marriage to her daughter. In this the mother and daughter are shown to be complicit, almost conspirational. They conference without Doran and in this they are "made awkward" (Joyce denies them even the ability to feel awkward) due to Mrs Mooney's fear of expressing a "cavalier" reaction, and by Polly's fear of revealing her awareness of both her crime and her mother's condonement. As the two women calmly pull the strings of Doran's fate they seems cold and cunning, as if they had no emotive reaction to what would seem a highly charged situation.

Doran is introduced only after this meeting takes place. With him we have the first expression of the internal sentiment of a character, when he is described as "very anxious indeed." The effects of his state are plain for the reader to see: he is shaggy and unshaven, as his emotional distress is too great to allow him a steady hand. His hot face mists his glasses, and he feels "acute pain" as he remembers the pious confession he made of his sins to his priest. He feels "his

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heart [leap] warmly in his throat" as he frets over the possible ruination of his name in society. He remembers his diligence and hard work and grieves over their potential invalidation. As readers we are given every reason to feel sympathy for this character; he is in all ways painted as the victim. We see him longing for freedom, the truest desire of the individual soul, and we feel his despair as he sees his freedom denied.

Joyce then again shrinks the psychic distance of the narrator, looking directly into the intimate memories of Doran's experience with the girl. He thinks fondly and kindly of her thoughtfulness, of their tender kisses, of his delirium. He remembers Polly's role in the affair as almost that of seductress: "it was not altogether his fault," he thinks (or rather, the narrator thinks aloud for him), because the girl had once asked to light her candle on his while dressed for bed and faintly perfumed. Doran descends the stairs to meet with Mrs Mooney and receive his marriage sentence with the despair of a man approaching his doom, wishing that he might instead "ascend through the roof and fly away," or seek asylum in a foreign land.

Polly, meanwhile, awaits her fate differently. After a polite show of tears she sits and preens herself vainly before the mirror, then lies around daydreaming peacefully. She is so thoroughly unperturbed, in fact, that she is able to completely forget what is going on. In this she seems almost pathological, or, at least, somewhat emotionally disturbed.

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In this literary society, we are trained to suspend not only our disbelief when reading an author who is accomplished in his or her craft, but to also suspend qualified judgment of the values and attitudes the author has implied, whether they be their own personal sentiments or an observation of an existing state of belief. The form of the short story exists like an onion; the reader must first peel away detail to find plot, then plot to find point of view, point of view to find perspective, and finally, perspective to find meaning. How natural it may be to look at a story such as this, written by an author made literary demigod by the intellectual majority, and take it for granted that Mrs Mooney or Polly, and so by the same process of abstraction by which we relate all fiction to life, any woman, could be pathologically emotionless and devoid of human sentiment. A conscientious reader, however, might find in this work not only information about the prejudices and social constructs of the past (if one believes them to be over), but also insight into how the power of perspective can with one stroke cut through either prejudice or empathy, depending on the reader's awareness of the many layers of the onion and the moral foundation from which an audience approaches art.


ATTENTION: "Gypsy" Mountain has now been renamed "Romani" Mountain.
SHAME on all you who claim to be concerned about the use of the word "Gypsy" but refused to rename the mountain yourself!! All talk and no walk. You would rather criticize your comrades and try to make them feel bad than help them out.
ALL Official Earth First! documents using the name "Gypsy" shall from now onward instead use the name "Romani."

First of all, DEFORESTATION IS NOT AN OCCUPATION.
And also, when you work "wtihin the system," you don't change the system, the system changes you! ...as you should know.
Tree-sitting may not be the most effective way of saving trees, but WORKING FOR PALCO DOESN'T SAVE TREES EITHER!!!
note on "working within the system": Judge Golden's ruling. Your logging has been declared ILLEGAL for years! but you don't care, the cops don't care, why? YOU ARE GETTING PAID...the bottom line...the "DARK SIDE" of PALCO.
and you try to claim that you'd be out there clearcutting the forests even if you weren't getting paid FOR THE FUN OF IT? what bullshit! you'd be climbing trees, holding your nose up at weed-smokers while you downed cans of Budweiser and trying to score with the tree-sitter grrrls, which wouldn't happen.
Cut the crap ADAM, move back to the Bay and knock yourself out making up BS stories about Shunka and posting them on indymedia websites!

Response to "toni," supposedly of "Romani International Inc.":

I went to your website to try to sort out this issue and how best to be sensitive to your point. Scrolling down a little ways, I found this:

"The Greek Youth Against Racism in Europe (YRE) needs your support in their campaign against the suppression of the rights of the Gypsy community of Evosmos, northern Greece. "

What kind of community was that? Looks like it says a "Gypsy" community in northern Greece. The word "Gypsy," right there on the website that you hyper-linked...

hmmm...kind of makes a person wonder what your real motivation is.....

Just to bring things back around the main point, Maxxam/PL has completely dishonored themselves by cutting Aradia, in direct opposition to the wishes of Gypsy's family, and in total disrespect to Gypsy's life and death.
We use our donations to support direct action, and the only ones who question where the money goes are the Maxxam/PL lackeys who are trying to use FBI COINTELPRO tactics (COunter INTELlligence PROgram) to discredit the North Coast Earth First! movement. It's not going to work, and you will be exposed for your disrespectful and dastardly deeds.
No compromise in defense of Mother Earth!
Earth First!

...and there is evidence in this thread to support that assertion. So far, the only evidence that it is a slur, is the assertion of same.

Show proof that "gypsy" is offensive, or step down.

Gypsy is an insult to my ancesteral heritage. it is offensive and I want it removed from use bu your troop.what is next for offensive names that you intend to use on public lands?

will you be insulting blacks?
will you be insulting mexicans?
will you be insulting native Americans
will you be insulting Asians?
will you be insulting Arabs?
will you be insulting Jews?

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for Roma People,then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racism still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting racial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these racial slurs.
now we shall see what is in your hearts and minds.

we now only have to wait and see what minority group earth first will honor by naming a mountain for them in some derogatory fashion

obvious attempt to discredit EF! and cry "racism" is nonsense...go to "Roma" web pages and see that they refer to themselves as "Gypsy," so don't believe the hype, folks. These self-appointed watchdogs are just trying to distract attention from the real issue....DEFORESTATION.

If there is any doubt by any of the EF! supporters out there, please believe that there is an actual organization that does actual direct action to save actual trees.
i dont know about shunka, but the rest of us are in the woods working to stop the machine of destruction called maxxam/pacific lumber/steve wills trucking.
if shunka sketches you out, send what donations you will to po box 28 arcata, ca 95521 and we will use the money in ways appropriate to eco-defense.
love you all. dont listen to the feddies
Earth First!

if shunka sketches you out, send what donations you will to po box 28 arcata, ca 95521 and we will use the money in ways appropriate to eco-defense.

then open your books to (us ) your membership..
we have seen years of inappropriate use of funds and whenever it is brought up. we are told it's none of our buisness
the people who control ef donations try their best to keep them secret from the rest of the group. while funds are spent and held in the names of a select few. (ef retirement fund?)




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Gypsy Mountain Raided
by Remedy Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 2:08 PM
Treesit extractors on Gypsy Mountain.


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Eureka, CA - According to activists, four treesit extractors are raiding Gypsy Mountain as of this morning, Saturday Sept. 25. Four extractors have ascended four adjacent treesits, including the old-growth redwood, Aradia, which has been occupied since January 2002. Aradia stands above Grizzly Creek, near the death site of David "Gypsy" Chain, who was killed six years ago when a Pacific Lumber logger fell a tree in his direction. The treesitters are reportedly suspended on traverse lines between the trees high above the ground.

Activists believe one arrest has been made, and all road blockades have reportedly been cleared.

So far it is unclear if the extractors are from Schatz Tree Service, who conducted the controversial treesit extractions last year in Freshwater. Eric Schatz and four other extractors are facing lawsuits from at least two women who were forcibly removed from ancient redwoods in March and April 2003.


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Gypsy Mountain offensive to minorities
by d kielic Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:13 PM
Roma_Foundation.org

being of roma decent I find the slang use of the term (Gypsy) to be offensive to my ancestory. it is not unlike calling an asian a gook, or a black man a nigger. you have insulted the Roma heritage. in fact this david cane has no ancestorial ties to Roma. this use of the derogatory term (Gypsy) shows your disgrguard for minorities in general.



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Gypsy Mountain offensive to minorities
by lamond Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:24 PM

if the term Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

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Gypsy offensive?
by Doubt it... Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:39 PM

Merriam Webster's notes derogatory meaning for both the n-word and the g-word, but not for gypsy, which means both Roma and peripatetic (wandering) in English.

I have heard it asserted that "to gyp/gypped" is, however, derogatory to gypsies (or Gypsies if you prefer), because it implies that cheating/swindling is a characteristic of that people.

MW attributes the word to the 17th C. English notion that Gypsies were from Egypt. Thus I suppose that it could be offensive in the same way that "Indian" is when applied to Native American, in that a whole people wear the name derived from someone else's misunderstanding of their origins. But I've heard Native Americans use the term without the apparent irony (or reclamative function) of, say, the n-word in rap culture or the f-word in gay culture.

On the other hand, maybe you're just trying to stir shit up, by appropriating what you think is "politically correct" speech. So lemme ask you: where the heck does Roma come from anyways? Couldn't have been a misperception of origins.....

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What????
by Pissed Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 7:51 PM

WHAT ARE YOUTALKING ABOUT!!!! are you for real? forget about this, and go and defend aradia

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we're talking about
by words Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:02 PM

people use them to express ideas.

maybe it's you, should go back to communing with trees and things.... and more power to ya. here in the city, we think more than one thing at a time sometimes, for better ot worse.

say, you're all for biodiversity, right? how's about agenda diversity? can you grant us that much.........


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aradia cut
by update Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:14 PM

apparently aradia has been cut and most were arrested at the resistance. apparently some fat pig also roughed up one of the forest defenders. i say get pepper spray up in the rest of the sits and negotiate with shitz that way.

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trees
by ii Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:15 PM

so whats the update with the trees?

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700-year-old Aradia killed
by witness Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 12:55 AM

She's gone. It was unreal to be there, & the fact still feels unreal. We love you Aradia.

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IS racisom taken lightly in Earth First
by d kielic Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 3:27 AM

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.
now we shall see what is in your hearts and minds.

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It shouldn't be necessary to say this
by Mike Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 7:48 AM
stepbystepfarm mtdata.com

But how we humans treat each other is NOT directly connected to how we humans treat non-human Nature.

We could solve all our inter human problems, end evils such as "racism" (in this case the term is being used for "ethnic hate" rathehr than "race" per se) and STILL rape the Earth. We could also as individual communities perhaps manage to live locally on a sustainable basis while hating neighboring peoples.

If somebody wants to discuss that "environmentals" are not free of the human evil of hate (of other humans) that's well and good, but to what purpose? Was there supposoed to be some doubt about that possibility? If the intent is criticism along the lines "you shouldn't bother about fighting to protect the environment; it's more important for you to concern yourselves with human justice issues" well that's another matter. More a matter of judgement about relative importance of the problems we humans face, a judgement about which we may honestly disagree. And to whch I would make the argument "What does social justice mean on a dead planet? The equality of the grave?"

Of course there IS the belief of some of the "politicals" among us that there is no overall environmental problem. That what we perceive as an environmental crisis is just the consequences of social injustice and if we humans could find out how to live together justly then all other evils would vanish. That's a wonderful "faith", but unfortunately not all of us can accept that "religion"

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Four Trees Cut
by Beat Eric w/ a Coat Hanger Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 9:36 AM


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Three treesitters were lowered from treesits, and one of them escaped. The other two went to jail. One activists has a dislocated shoulder after being arrested on the ground. Aradia and three other trees were cut.

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re: Mike
by jesse Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 11:24 AM

I'm all for savin the old growth trees. I'm all for getting back to a sustainable way of life. However, I have to say that unless the world is completely blown to pieces in a nuclear war, trees will survive. It is a tradgedy for sure that the old growth trees are under attack, but let's get real here.

The trees are not under threat of becomming extinct or something. People will die before the trees. So you may think that our "religion" of needing social change is naieve, but that's exactly why many of us believe the same about environmentalist activists.

Save the whales, but what about the humans? If we don't overcome our social disfunction, we may end up destroying the whole world. Humans, whales, and trees included. So yes, there is an overall solution, and that is to remove the rich from power. Remove the people from power who exploit the earth without seeing the consiquences. Who pillage just for profit.

There is a root cause of environmental exploitation. It is linked to the root cause of human exploitation, and animal exploitation, and exploitation of the earth and it's resources. You may think that us city activists don't care or something when in reality it may just be that we see that our struggles are linked, and that there are many fronts to fight on. That said, there are many places where there will be a battle, but do you honestly think that if we got people to stop logging that everything would be ok? If you do, then I'm sorry to say that you're the one being naieve.

Overcomming the power of greed is our only chance to change the course of the human race fundamentally. This includes the need to stop clear cutting or old growth logging. It also includes ending exploitation of other areas of the earth. It also includes ending exploitation of humans and other animals ON the earth. Fundamental change is needed. As long as we can agree on that, we can fight our own battles with the knowledge that we're not alone. Other freedom fighters in other areas of the world are fighting along side for freedom for everyone. Humans, animals and trees included.

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origins of term "Roma"
by james Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 12:42 PM

The term "Roma" is not a "misperception of origins". It has nothing to do with Rome, Romans, Romania, etc., as I can only guess you are implying, Doubt. It comes from the Roma's own language, having its origins in northern India. Just thought I'd throw in that clarification.

I'm not sure I agree that the term "Gypsy" is always offensive ("gypped" probably is). I do, however, think we should try to be as respectful and careful as possible when it comes to dealing with issues of ethnicity and race.

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evicted
by Howls Mountya Wednesday, Sep. 29, 2004 at 9:10 AM

The road tunnelers on Hwy 36 have been dug up and evicted. Hooray for PL!!! It only took 15 minutes to build a road around them. Dem doggon earth firster types shur can dig, boy! I saw their handywork. Regular moles, they are. Too bad they don't channel that energy towards real solutions. I'm talking about gettin paid; you know what I'm sayin my nigga? Peace.

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listen to each other
by voice of reason Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 4:52 PM

those who point out the insensativity of the use of the name "Gypsy" have a point, but what can be done? We can't change a dead person's mind on what nickname he chose for himself! Also note that the name "Gypsy" was not used to put down the Roma people - exactly the opposite! so please, chill...we all have to be a little bit tolerant of each others' ignorances, but they are indeed worth pointing out.

those who don't think it is important to save the "trees" (don't forget that the forests are made up of trees and all life on earth depends on forests around the world) are just a bit unedjucated. Get your head out of the smog for a minute and check out the natural world! You can do it!

as for the person who thinks that EF!ers should be concentrating on making money, well, that sounds suspicously like what the PALCO employee "Adam" suggested we do....

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one more thing...
by v.o.r. Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 5:02 PM

one more thing....the tunnel-trolls were not "evicted"...the ineffective overweight simpleton bacon-beater pigs could NOT evict the trolls, who escaped into the night to wreak havoc once again...
"he who fight and run away live to fight another day!"
PALCO truly has their backs against the wall, and they know it. Unfortunately, the hard-working deforesters are too narrow-minded to come up with any ideas as to what to do except keep cutting away at the future and blame EF!ers and people of conscience and courage for the inevitable decline of the timber industry.


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"escaped into the night to wreak havoc once again"
by good to hear Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 5:32 PM

thanks for the news

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corruption in earth first
by little old lady Saturday, Oct. 02, 2004 at 12:19 AM

corruption in earth first

the cover up continues! it seems there is an all out effort to cover up the scandal of earth first corruption. with information coming in from all sides earth first "franticly denies" any wrong doings but is at a loss the explain how they came to own a recording company, along with the growing list of other ventures purchased with money from this claimed nonprofit company.
earth first has turned a cold shoulder to members asking for an explanation of
what is being done with money given to fund environmental projects.

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the industry's smear campaign of lies
by you only make us stronger Saturday, Oct. 02, 2004 at 1:46 AM

I really don't understand how you people can live with yourselves.



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not what I said
by Adam Monday, Oct. 04, 2004 at 3:58 PM

My comments evidently fell on deaf ears. I did not say that you should focus on making money, but that perhaps a more effictive way, including working within the system would be more productive. That comment was in response to a discussion we were having that treesitting was not a very productive way to save trees.

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Want to save trees buy them, or work within the system like I do.
by Tim Waldcott NCRWQCB Thursday, Oct. 07, 2004 at 11:23 AM

If you dumd hippies really want to save trees, for future generations of eco tourism and the like. Get a fund togeather and try and purchase some trees or plots of land covered with trees. Then you can say you really have done something for the common good of all. Not just the few selfless idiots that try to save the forest by tree sitting. You are wasting your time like you are wasting your lives, sittin in a tree and doing nothing postive, for anyone nothing is accomplished by this sort of activity. The only thing you get out of a tree sit is good pot from your buddys and free food from the bleeding heart establishments in arcata like: Ramones, Wildberries and the co-op all give you outdated food to eat when you get the munchies after a few bowl loads. I have heard you all hoot and holleren up in the woods sounds like quite a party, but no way of life. Get your heads outa your collective asses and do something real for a change tres sits are no longer an effective way to protect trees. Look what you did to wonderful arida you got her chopped down because you sat in her. Think about that for awhile jackass.

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earthfirst; insulting minorities where ever we find them
by earthfirst; insulting minorities where ever w Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:08 AM

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.

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earth first,campaign of lies
by Blue Jay Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:26 AM


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earth first the dark side

you mean like when shunka spends money to buy an office building ( in his name) using earth first money?
and what will shunka do when he leaves earth first ?
will he give all this money back? how about the condo?
or car? that he denies owning? and those cisco stocks? are in earth first's name? at one time I was in the circle and a diffrent bird, but over time I saw the true nature what is being done here. it is noe about trees. it is about collecting money.

we should be calling this "ME FIRST"

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earth first,campaign of lies
by Blue Jay Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:34 AM


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earth first the dark side

you mean like when shunka spends money to buy an office building ( in his name) using earth first money?
and what will shunka do when he leaves earth first ?
will he give all this money back? how about the condo?
or car? that he denies owning? and those cisco stocks? are in earth first's name? at one time I was in the circle and a diffrent bird, but over time I saw the true nature what is being done here. it is noe about trees. it is about collecting money.

we should be calling this "ME FIRST"

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using donated money for your self is wrong
by little old lady Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:47 AM

using donated money for your self is wrong we did not give you money to spend on your self, what are you thinking.
this is avery bad thing to do. do your friends know you are doing this. well I can say you will get no more money from me

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Romani International, Inc.
by toni Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 2:19 AM
rom702002@yahoo. com

as earthfirst would have us believe

The Gipsies ... are an idle, miserable race, a curse to the countries they inhabit, and a terror to the farmer through whose lands they stroll.

Romani International, Inc. will be taking on the task of getting Gypsy mountian renamed to something more ethical for the minorities that travle this ares, as they should not be
insulted in this way

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/rights.htm
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Romani Mountain
by Mr. FixIt Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:07 PM

Eve Silver Silver 1
Real Professor Marianne Ahokas
English 320
12 Sep 2004
Art and the Onion
A determined and conniving woman, daughter of a butcher, marries her father's foreman. When her husband is driven to drink and violence by their unhappy marriage, the woman abandons him. She isolates him from his children, and gives him neither money, nor food, nor shelter, so that the poor, broken man is made to earn his living in the sheriff's service, waiting in the bailiff's office to be employed. The wife, now free to make her way in the world, opens a disreputable boarding house, in which she allows the ribald antics of her young male clientele, so long as they pay her fee. She casts her virginal, alluring daughter in amongst these men, hoping in secret that one of them might be taken in by the girl's charm. One of the men indeed falls prey to the trap lain by the cunning woman. He succumbs to the daughter's seduction and is then set upon by the mother and morally strongarmed into a marriage against his will.
In a similar Dublin, a similar butcher's daughter is forced to flee an abusive, drunken husband when he attacks her with a butcher knife. Put in the position of sole provider for herself and her two children, she decides to open a boarding house, one of the only businesses available to her in a time when women had few rights and fewer opportunities. She attempts to provide for her young


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daughter by finding her employment as a typist, but when the drunken and abusive father attempts to contact her there, the mother takes the daughter back to work in their home, knowing that if she can't provide for herself, the girl will need a husband to care for her and hoping that she might find a likely suitor amongst the gentlemen with whom they live. One of these boarders, a mature man nearly twice the girl's age, begins with her an illicit and public affair. Without regard for the strict etiquette of courtship or respect to the mother in her own establishment, the man allows the relationship to become serious, to the point that the young girl's honor is in jeopardy. Seeing this the mother takes the only reasonable course: she insists that the man take responsibility for his play and marry her child.
This is James Joyce's The Boarding House, told in two very different ways. The plot is the same, as are the characters, even the point of view. It's the perspective that sets them apart. The perspective in this work is an effective force; the author has used it, whether consciously or unconsciously, to manipulate his audience in ways which are subtle and highly effective. By moving the point of view between the characters but always keeping the perspective with Doran, Joyce leads the innocent reader to remark on the wickedness of women and the critical reader to remark on the wickedness of that very idea.
The story begins with a view of Mrs Mooney. She is described in terms of events: she marries, she opens a business, her husband destroys it, he attacks


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her with a meat cleaver, and she leaves him. These details are no more than a factual account. Joyce allows her no signs of the distress one might feel in such circumstances and so asks no sympathy on behalf of his character from the reader.
But aah! The narrator's eye now moves to the deposed husband. He is a pitiable wretch of a man, a "shabby, stooped little drunkard" who sits abandoned in the bailiff's office, helpless and harmless and alone. Mrs Mooney, meanwhile, has only gained in power since their separation. She opens a boarding house. She is a "big, imposing woman" who runs the house "cunningly and firmly," and is referred to by her young boarders as "the Madam." This title in such a context creates a sly association with the sexual impropriety of the matron of a brothel, also called the "Madam" in that time.
The boarding house is indeed of somewhat loose moral character. Her clientele are tourists and artistes. Among them live her poorly raised son Jack, a coarse man fond of obscenities, and her attractive young daughter Polly. Joyce moves Polly like a lewd puppet; she is introduced to the audience by an explicitly vulgar song : "I'm a naughty girl / you needn't sham / you know I am." None of her supposedly "naughty" thoughts or actions are described, only her alluring features and habit of glancing upwards which, the narrator says, makes her look "like a perverse little madonna." A critical reader might wonder what embedded justification exists for such a statement, but why she appears perverse he doesn't


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say, and the statement must be accepted on faith or seen as an aspect of the intended or unintended meaning by the author.
When an illicit liaison begins between Polly and Bob Doran, one of the boarders, Mrs Mooney has no reaction of hurt of outrage. Instead she is able, like the butcher's daughter she is, to "[deal] with moral problems as a cleaver deals with meat," or, in other words, to cut through the sentiments of the flesh with inhuman decisiveness. She schemes how best to force the man into a commitment of marriage to her daughter. In this the mother and daughter are shown to be complicit, almost conspirational. They conference without Doran and in this they are "made awkward" (Joyce denies them even the ability to feel awkward) due to Mrs Mooney's fear of expressing a "cavalier" reaction, and by Polly's fear of revealing her awareness of both her crime and her mother's condonement. As the two women calmly pull the strings of Doran's fate they seems cold and cunning, as if they had no emotive reaction to what would seem a highly charged situation.


Doran is introduced only after this meeting takes place. With him we have the first expression of the internal sentiment of a character, when he is described as "very anxious indeed." The effects of his state are plain for the reader to see: he is shaggy and unshaven, as his emotional distress is too great to allow him a steady hand. His hot face mists his glasses, and he feels "acute pain" as he remembers the pious confession he made of his sins to his priest. He feels "his


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heart [leap] warmly in his throat" as he frets over the possible ruination of his name in society. He remembers his diligence and hard work and grieves over their potential invalidation. As readers we are given every reason to feel sympathy for this character; he is in all ways painted as the victim. We see him longing for freedom, the truest desire of the individual soul, and we feel his despair as he sees his freedom denied.


Joyce then again shrinks the psychic distance of the narrator, looking directly into the intimate memories of Doran's experience with the girl. He thinks fondly and kindly of her thoughtfulness, of their tender kisses, of his delirium. He remembers Polly's role in the affair as almost that of seductress: "it was not altogether his fault," he thinks (or rather, the narrator thinks aloud for him), because the girl had once asked to light her candle on his while dressed for bed and faintly perfumed. Doran descends the stairs to meet with Mrs Mooney and receive his marriage sentence with the despair of a man approaching his doom, wishing that he might instead "ascend through the roof and fly away," or seek asylum in a foreign land.


Polly, meanwhile, awaits her fate differently. After a polite show of tears she sits and preens herself vainly before the mirror, then lies around daydreaming peacefully. She is so thoroughly unperturbed, in fact, that she is able to completely forget what is going on. In this she seems almost pathological, or, at least, somewhat emotionally disturbed.


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In this literary society, we are trained to suspend not only our disbelief when reading an author who is accomplished in his or her craft, but to also suspend qualified judgment of the values and attitudes the author has implied, whether they be their own personal sentiments or an observation of an existing state of belief. The form of the short story exists like an onion; the reader must first peel away detail to find plot, then plot to find point of view, point of view to find perspective, and finally, perspective to find meaning. How natural it may be to look at a story such as this, written by an author made literary demigod by the intellectual majority, and take it for granted that Mrs Mooney or Polly, and so by the same process of abstraction by which we relate all fiction to life, any woman, could be pathologically emotionless and devoid of human sentiment. A conscientious reader, however, might find in this work not only information about the prejudices and social constructs of the past (if one believes them to be over), but also insight into how the power of perspective can with one stroke cut through either prejudice or empathy, depending on the reader's awareness of the many layers of the onion and the moral foundation from which an audience approaches art.


ATTENTION: "Gypsy" Mountain has now been renamed "Romani" Mountain.
SHAME on all you who claim to be concerned about the use of the word "Gypsy" but refused to rename the mountain yourself!! All talk and no walk. You would rather criticize your comrades and try to make them feel bad than help them out.
ALL Official Earth First! documents using the name "Gypsy" shall from now onward instead use the name "Romani."


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nice to talk to you agian, ADAM
by big stick Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:20 PM

First of all, DEFORESTATION IS NOT AN OCCUPATION.
And also, when you work "wtihin the system," you don't change the system, the system changes you! ...as you should know.
Tree-sitting may not be the most effective way of saving trees, but WORKING FOR PALCO DOESN'T SAVE TREES EITHER!!!
note on "working within the system": Judge Golden's ruling. Your logging has been declared ILLEGAL for years! but you don't care, the cops don't care, why? YOU ARE GETTING PAID...the bottom line...the "DARK SIDE" of PALCO.
and you try to claim that you'd be out there clearcutting the forests even if you weren't getting paid FOR THE FUN OF IT? what bullshit! you'd be climbing trees, holding your nose up at weed-smokers while you downed cans of Budweiser and trying to score with the tree-sitter grrrls, which wouldn't happen.
Cut the crap ADAM, move back to the Bay and knock yourself out making up BS stories about Shunka and posting them on indymedia websites!


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ROMANI? GYPSY?
by no more drama Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:32 PM

Response to "toni," supposedly of "Romani International Inc.":

I went to your website to try to sort out this issue and how best to be sensitive to your point. Scrolling down a little ways, I found this:

"The Greek Youth Against Racism in Europe (YRE) needs your support in their campaign against the suppression of the rights of the Gypsy community of Evosmos, northern Greece. "

What kind of community was that? Looks like it says a "Gypsy" community in northern Greece. The word "Gypsy," right there on the website that you hyper-linked...

hmmm...kind of makes a person wonder what your real motivation is.....


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Maxxam/PL has dishonored themselves, once again...
by Shunka Wakan Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004 at 2:02 PM
shunka_2004 [at] yahoo.com

Just to bring things back around the main point, Maxxam/PL has completely dishonored themselves by cutting Aradia, in direct opposition to the wishes of Gypsy's family, and in total disrespect to Gypsy's life and death.
We use our donations to support direct action, and the only ones who question where the money goes are the Maxxam/PL lackeys who are trying to use FBI COINTELPRO tactics (COunter INTELlligence PROgram) to discredit the North Coast Earth First! movement. It's not going to work, and you will be exposed for your disrespectful and dastardly deeds.
No compromise in defense of Mother Earth!
Earth First!


http://www.northcoastearthfirst.org
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Once again...
by "gypsy" isn't a slur. Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004 at 2:52 PM

...and there is evidence in this thread to support that assertion. So far, the only evidence that it is a slur, is the assertion of same.

Show proof that "gypsy" is offensive, or step down.



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Racism IS taken lightly in Earth First
by d kielic Wednesday, Nov. 03, 2004 at 1:18 AM

Gypsy is an insult to my ancesteral heritage. it is offensive and I want it removed from use bu your troop.what is next for offensive names that you intend to use on public lands?

will you be insulting blacks?
will you be insulting mexicans?
will you be insulting native Americans
will you be insulting Asians?
will you be insulting Arabs?
will you be insulting Jews?

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for Roma People,then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racism still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting racial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these racial slurs.
now we shall see what is in your hearts and minds.

we now only have to wait and see what minority group earth first will honor by naming a mountain for them in some derogatory fashion




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Gypsy Mountain Raided
by Remedy Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 2:08 PM
Treesit extractors on Gypsy Mountain.


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Eureka, CA - According to activists, four treesit extractors are raiding Gypsy Mountain as of this morning, Saturday Sept. 25. Four extractors have ascended four adjacent treesits, including the old-growth redwood, Aradia, which has been occupied since January 2002. Aradia stands above Grizzly Creek, near the death site of David "Gypsy" Chain, who was killed six years ago when a Pacific Lumber logger fell a tree in his direction. The treesitters are reportedly suspended on traverse lines between the trees high above the ground.

Activists believe one arrest has been made, and all road blockades have reportedly been cleared.

So far it is unclear if the extractors are from Schatz Tree Service, who conducted the controversial treesit extractions last year in Freshwater. Eric Schatz and four other extractors are facing lawsuits from at least two women who were forcibly removed from ancient redwoods in March and April 2003.


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Gypsy Mountain offensive to minorities
by d kielic Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:13 PM
Roma_Foundation.org

being of roma decent I find the slang use of the term (Gypsy) to be offensive to my ancestory. it is not unlike calling an asian a gook, or a black man a nigger. you have insulted the Roma heritage. in fact this david cane has no ancestorial ties to Roma. this use of the derogatory term (Gypsy) shows your disgrguard for minorities in general.



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Gypsy Mountain offensive to minorities
by lamond Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:24 PM

if the term Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

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Gypsy offensive?
by Doubt it... Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 4:39 PM

Merriam Webster's notes derogatory meaning for both the n-word and the g-word, but not for gypsy, which means both Roma and peripatetic (wandering) in English.

I have heard it asserted that "to gyp/gypped" is, however, derogatory to gypsies (or Gypsies if you prefer), because it implies that cheating/swindling is a characteristic of that people.

MW attributes the word to the 17th C. English notion that Gypsies were from Egypt. Thus I suppose that it could be offensive in the same way that "Indian" is when applied to Native American, in that a whole people wear the name derived from someone else's misunderstanding of their origins. But I've heard Native Americans use the term without the apparent irony (or reclamative function) of, say, the n-word in rap culture or the f-word in gay culture.

On the other hand, maybe you're just trying to stir shit up, by appropriating what you think is "politically correct" speech. So lemme ask you: where the heck does Roma come from anyways? Couldn't have been a misperception of origins.....

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What????
by Pissed Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 7:51 PM

WHAT ARE YOUTALKING ABOUT!!!! are you for real? forget about this, and go and defend aradia

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we're talking about
by words Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:02 PM

people use them to express ideas.

maybe it's you, should go back to communing with trees and things.... and more power to ya. here in the city, we think more than one thing at a time sometimes, for better ot worse.

say, you're all for biodiversity, right? how's about agenda diversity? can you grant us that much.........


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aradia cut
by update Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:14 PM

apparently aradia has been cut and most were arrested at the resistance. apparently some fat pig also roughed up one of the forest defenders. i say get pepper spray up in the rest of the sits and negotiate with shitz that way.

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trees
by ii Saturday, Sep. 25, 2004 at 8:15 PM

so whats the update with the trees?

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700-year-old Aradia killed
by witness Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 12:55 AM

She's gone. It was unreal to be there, & the fact still feels unreal. We love you Aradia.

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IS racisom taken lightly in Earth First
by d kielic Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 3:27 AM

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.
now we shall see what is in your hearts and minds.

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It shouldn't be necessary to say this
by Mike Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 7:48 AM
stepbystepfarm mtdata.com

But how we humans treat each other is NOT directly connected to how we humans treat non-human Nature.

We could solve all our inter human problems, end evils such as "racism" (in this case the term is being used for "ethnic hate" rathehr than "race" per se) and STILL rape the Earth. We could also as individual communities perhaps manage to live locally on a sustainable basis while hating neighboring peoples.

If somebody wants to discuss that "environmentals" are not free of the human evil of hate (of other humans) that's well and good, but to what purpose? Was there supposoed to be some doubt about that possibility? If the intent is criticism along the lines "you shouldn't bother about fighting to protect the environment; it's more important for you to concern yourselves with human justice issues" well that's another matter. More a matter of judgement about relative importance of the problems we humans face, a judgement about which we may honestly disagree. And to whch I would make the argument "What does social justice mean on a dead planet? The equality of the grave?"

Of course there IS the belief of some of the "politicals" among us that there is no overall environmental problem. That what we perceive as an environmental crisis is just the consequences of social injustice and if we humans could find out how to live together justly then all other evils would vanish. That's a wonderful "faith", but unfortunately not all of us can accept that "religion"

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Four Trees Cut
by Beat Eric w/ a Coat Hanger Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 9:36 AM


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Three treesitters were lowered from treesits, and one of them escaped. The other two went to jail. One activists has a dislocated shoulder after being arrested on the ground. Aradia and three other trees were cut.

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re: Mike
by jesse Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 11:24 AM

I'm all for savin the old growth trees. I'm all for getting back to a sustainable way of life. However, I have to say that unless the world is completely blown to pieces in a nuclear war, trees will survive. It is a tradgedy for sure that the old growth trees are under attack, but let's get real here.

The trees are not under threat of becomming extinct or something. People will die before the trees. So you may think that our "religion" of needing social change is naieve, but that's exactly why many of us believe the same about environmentalist activists.

Save the whales, but what about the humans? If we don't overcome our social disfunction, we may end up destroying the whole world. Humans, whales, and trees included. So yes, there is an overall solution, and that is to remove the rich from power. Remove the people from power who exploit the earth without seeing the consiquences. Who pillage just for profit.

There is a root cause of environmental exploitation. It is linked to the root cause of human exploitation, and animal exploitation, and exploitation of the earth and it's resources. You may think that us city activists don't care or something when in reality it may just be that we see that our struggles are linked, and that there are many fronts to fight on. That said, there are many places where there will be a battle, but do you honestly think that if we got people to stop logging that everything would be ok? If you do, then I'm sorry to say that you're the one being naieve.

Overcomming the power of greed is our only chance to change the course of the human race fundamentally. This includes the need to stop clear cutting or old growth logging. It also includes ending exploitation of other areas of the earth. It also includes ending exploitation of humans and other animals ON the earth. Fundamental change is needed. As long as we can agree on that, we can fight our own battles with the knowledge that we're not alone. Other freedom fighters in other areas of the world are fighting along side for freedom for everyone. Humans, animals and trees included.

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origins of term "Roma"
by james Sunday, Sep. 26, 2004 at 12:42 PM

The term "Roma" is not a "misperception of origins". It has nothing to do with Rome, Romans, Romania, etc., as I can only guess you are implying, Doubt. It comes from the Roma's own language, having its origins in northern India. Just thought I'd throw in that clarification.

I'm not sure I agree that the term "Gypsy" is always offensive ("gypped" probably is). I do, however, think we should try to be as respectful and careful as possible when it comes to dealing with issues of ethnicity and race.

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evicted
by Howls Mountya Wednesday, Sep. 29, 2004 at 9:10 AM

The road tunnelers on Hwy 36 have been dug up and evicted. Hooray for PL!!! It only took 15 minutes to build a road around them. Dem doggon earth firster types shur can dig, boy! I saw their handywork. Regular moles, they are. Too bad they don't channel that energy towards real solutions. I'm talking about gettin paid; you know what I'm sayin my nigga? Peace.

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listen to each other
by voice of reason Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 4:52 PM

those who point out the insensativity of the use of the name "Gypsy" have a point, but what can be done? We can't change a dead person's mind on what nickname he chose for himself! Also note that the name "Gypsy" was not used to put down the Roma people - exactly the opposite! so please, chill...we all have to be a little bit tolerant of each others' ignorances, but they are indeed worth pointing out.

those who don't think it is important to save the "trees" (don't forget that the forests are made up of trees and all life on earth depends on forests around the world) are just a bit unedjucated. Get your head out of the smog for a minute and check out the natural world! You can do it!

as for the person who thinks that EF!ers should be concentrating on making money, well, that sounds suspicously like what the PALCO employee "Adam" suggested we do....

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one more thing...
by v.o.r. Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 5:02 PM

one more thing....the tunnel-trolls were not "evicted"...the ineffective overweight simpleton bacon-beater pigs could NOT evict the trolls, who escaped into the night to wreak havoc once again...
"he who fight and run away live to fight another day!"
PALCO truly has their backs against the wall, and they know it. Unfortunately, the hard-working deforesters are too narrow-minded to come up with any ideas as to what to do except keep cutting away at the future and blame EF!ers and people of conscience and courage for the inevitable decline of the timber industry.


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"escaped into the night to wreak havoc once again"
by good to hear Friday, Oct. 01, 2004 at 5:32 PM

thanks for the news

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corruption in earth first
by little old lady Saturday, Oct. 02, 2004 at 12:19 AM

corruption in earth first

the cover up continues! it seems there is an all out effort to cover up the scandal of earth first corruption. with information coming in from all sides earth first "franticly denies" any wrong doings but is at a loss the explain how they came to own a recording company, along with the growing list of other ventures purchased with money from this claimed nonprofit company.
earth first has turned a cold shoulder to members asking for an explanation of
what is being done with money given to fund environmental projects.

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the industry's smear campaign of lies
by you only make us stronger Saturday, Oct. 02, 2004 at 1:46 AM

I really don't understand how you people can live with yourselves.



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not what I said
by Adam Monday, Oct. 04, 2004 at 3:58 PM

My comments evidently fell on deaf ears. I did not say that you should focus on making money, but that perhaps a more effictive way, including working within the system would be more productive. That comment was in response to a discussion we were having that treesitting was not a very productive way to save trees.

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Want to save trees buy them, or work within the system like I do.
by Tim Waldcott NCRWQCB Thursday, Oct. 07, 2004 at 11:23 AM

If you dumd hippies really want to save trees, for future generations of eco tourism and the like. Get a fund togeather and try and purchase some trees or plots of land covered with trees. Then you can say you really have done something for the common good of all. Not just the few selfless idiots that try to save the forest by tree sitting. You are wasting your time like you are wasting your lives, sittin in a tree and doing nothing postive, for anyone nothing is accomplished by this sort of activity. The only thing you get out of a tree sit is good pot from your buddys and free food from the bleeding heart establishments in arcata like: Ramones, Wildberries and the co-op all give you outdated food to eat when you get the munchies after a few bowl loads. I have heard you all hoot and holleren up in the woods sounds like quite a party, but no way of life. Get your heads outa your collective asses and do something real for a change tres sits are no longer an effective way to protect trees. Look what you did to wonderful arida you got her chopped down because you sat in her. Think about that for awhile jackass.

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earthfirst; insulting minorities where ever we find them
by earthfirst; insulting minorities where ever w Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:08 AM

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for those people then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racisom still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting ratial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these ratial slurs.

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earth first,campaign of lies
by Blue Jay Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:26 AM


shunka__s_tahoe_house.jpg, image/jpeg, 587x487

earth first the dark side

you mean like when shunka spends money to buy an office building ( in his name) using earth first money?
and what will shunka do when he leaves earth first ?
will he give all this money back? how about the condo?
or car? that he denies owning? and those cisco stocks? are in earth first's name? at one time I was in the circle and a diffrent bird, but over time I saw the true nature what is being done here. it is noe about trees. it is about collecting money.

we should be calling this "ME FIRST"

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earth first,campaign of lies
by Blue Jay Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:34 AM


shunka__s_tahoe_house.jpgpn5apg.jpg, image/jpeg, 587x487

earth first the dark side

you mean like when shunka spends money to buy an office building ( in his name) using earth first money?
and what will shunka do when he leaves earth first ?
will he give all this money back? how about the condo?
or car? that he denies owning? and those cisco stocks? are in earth first's name? at one time I was in the circle and a diffrent bird, but over time I saw the true nature what is being done here. it is noe about trees. it is about collecting money.

we should be calling this "ME FIRST"

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using donated money for your self is wrong
by little old lady Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 12:47 AM

using donated money for your self is wrong we did not give you money to spend on your self, what are you thinking.
this is avery bad thing to do. do your friends know you are doing this. well I can say you will get no more money from me

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Romani International, Inc.
by toni Friday, Oct. 08, 2004 at 2:19 AM
rom702002@yahoo. com

as earthfirst would have us believe

The Gipsies ... are an idle, miserable race, a curse to the countries they inhabit, and a terror to the farmer through whose lands they stroll.

Romani International, Inc. will be taking on the task of getting Gypsy mountian renamed to something more ethical for the minorities that travle this ares, as they should not be
insulted in this way

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/rights.htm
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Romani Mountain
by Mr. FixIt Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:07 PM

Eve Silver Silver 1
Real Professor Marianne Ahokas
English 320
12 Sep 2004
Art and the Onion
A determined and conniving woman, daughter of a butcher, marries her father's foreman. When her husband is driven to drink and violence by their unhappy marriage, the woman abandons him. She isolates him from his children, and gives him neither money, nor food, nor shelter, so that the poor, broken man is made to earn his living in the sheriff's service, waiting in the bailiff's office to be employed. The wife, now free to make her way in the world, opens a disreputable boarding house, in which she allows the ribald antics of her young male clientele, so long as they pay her fee. She casts her virginal, alluring daughter in amongst these men, hoping in secret that one of them might be taken in by the girl's charm. One of the men indeed falls prey to the trap lain by the cunning woman. He succumbs to the daughter's seduction and is then set upon by the mother and morally strongarmed into a marriage against his will.
In a similar Dublin, a similar butcher's daughter is forced to flee an abusive, drunken husband when he attacks her with a butcher knife. Put in the position of sole provider for herself and her two children, she decides to open a boarding house, one of the only businesses available to her in a time when women had few rights and fewer opportunities. She attempts to provide for her young


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daughter by finding her employment as a typist, but when the drunken and abusive father attempts to contact her there, the mother takes the daughter back to work in their home, knowing that if she can't provide for herself, the girl will need a husband to care for her and hoping that she might find a likely suitor amongst the gentlemen with whom they live. One of these boarders, a mature man nearly twice the girl's age, begins with her an illicit and public affair. Without regard for the strict etiquette of courtship or respect to the mother in her own establishment, the man allows the relationship to become serious, to the point that the young girl's honor is in jeopardy. Seeing this the mother takes the only reasonable course: she insists that the man take responsibility for his play and marry her child.
This is James Joyce's The Boarding House, told in two very different ways. The plot is the same, as are the characters, even the point of view. It's the perspective that sets them apart. The perspective in this work is an effective force; the author has used it, whether consciously or unconsciously, to manipulate his audience in ways which are subtle and highly effective. By moving the point of view between the characters but always keeping the perspective with Doran, Joyce leads the innocent reader to remark on the wickedness of women and the critical reader to remark on the wickedness of that very idea.
The story begins with a view of Mrs Mooney. She is described in terms of events: she marries, she opens a business, her husband destroys it, he attacks


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her with a meat cleaver, and she leaves him. These details are no more than a factual account. Joyce allows her no signs of the distress one might feel in such circumstances and so asks no sympathy on behalf of his character from the reader.
But aah! The narrator's eye now moves to the deposed husband. He is a pitiable wretch of a man, a "shabby, stooped little drunkard" who sits abandoned in the bailiff's office, helpless and harmless and alone. Mrs Mooney, meanwhile, has only gained in power since their separation. She opens a boarding house. She is a "big, imposing woman" who runs the house "cunningly and firmly," and is referred to by her young boarders as "the Madam." This title in such a context creates a sly association with the sexual impropriety of the matron of a brothel, also called the "Madam" in that time.
The boarding house is indeed of somewhat loose moral character. Her clientele are tourists and artistes. Among them live her poorly raised son Jack, a coarse man fond of obscenities, and her attractive young daughter Polly. Joyce moves Polly like a lewd puppet; she is introduced to the audience by an explicitly vulgar song : "I'm a naughty girl / you needn't sham / you know I am." None of her supposedly "naughty" thoughts or actions are described, only her alluring features and habit of glancing upwards which, the narrator says, makes her look "like a perverse little madonna." A critical reader might wonder what embedded justification exists for such a statement, but why she appears perverse he doesn't


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say, and the statement must be accepted on faith or seen as an aspect of the intended or unintended meaning by the author.
When an illicit liaison begins between Polly and Bob Doran, one of the boarders, Mrs Mooney has no reaction of hurt of outrage. Instead she is able, like the butcher's daughter she is, to "[deal] with moral problems as a cleaver deals with meat," or, in other words, to cut through the sentiments of the flesh with inhuman decisiveness. She schemes how best to force the man into a commitment of marriage to her daughter. In this the mother and daughter are shown to be complicit, almost conspirational. They conference without Doran and in this they are "made awkward" (Joyce denies them even the ability to feel awkward) due to Mrs Mooney's fear of expressing a "cavalier" reaction, and by Polly's fear of revealing her awareness of both her crime and her mother's condonement. As the two women calmly pull the strings of Doran's fate they seems cold and cunning, as if they had no emotive reaction to what would seem a highly charged situation.


Doran is introduced only after this meeting takes place. With him we have the first expression of the internal sentiment of a character, when he is described as "very anxious indeed." The effects of his state are plain for the reader to see: he is shaggy and unshaven, as his emotional distress is too great to allow him a steady hand. His hot face mists his glasses, and he feels "acute pain" as he remembers the pious confession he made of his sins to his priest. He feels "his


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heart [leap] warmly in his throat" as he frets over the possible ruination of his name in society. He remembers his diligence and hard work and grieves over their potential invalidation. As readers we are given every reason to feel sympathy for this character; he is in all ways painted as the victim. We see him longing for freedom, the truest desire of the individual soul, and we feel his despair as he sees his freedom denied.


Joyce then again shrinks the psychic distance of the narrator, looking directly into the intimate memories of Doran's experience with the girl. He thinks fondly and kindly of her thoughtfulness, of their tender kisses, of his delirium. He remembers Polly's role in the affair as almost that of seductress: "it was not altogether his fault," he thinks (or rather, the narrator thinks aloud for him), because the girl had once asked to light her candle on his while dressed for bed and faintly perfumed. Doran descends the stairs to meet with Mrs Mooney and receive his marriage sentence with the despair of a man approaching his doom, wishing that he might instead "ascend through the roof and fly away," or seek asylum in a foreign land.


Polly, meanwhile, awaits her fate differently. After a polite show of tears she sits and preens herself vainly before the mirror, then lies around daydreaming peacefully. She is so thoroughly unperturbed, in fact, that she is able to completely forget what is going on. In this she seems almost pathological, or, at least, somewhat emotionally disturbed.


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In this literary society, we are trained to suspend not only our disbelief when reading an author who is accomplished in his or her craft, but to also suspend qualified judgment of the values and attitudes the author has implied, whether they be their own personal sentiments or an observation of an existing state of belief. The form of the short story exists like an onion; the reader must first peel away detail to find plot, then plot to find point of view, point of view to find perspective, and finally, perspective to find meaning. How natural it may be to look at a story such as this, written by an author made literary demigod by the intellectual majority, and take it for granted that Mrs Mooney or Polly, and so by the same process of abstraction by which we relate all fiction to life, any woman, could be pathologically emotionless and devoid of human sentiment. A conscientious reader, however, might find in this work not only information about the prejudices and social constructs of the past (if one believes them to be over), but also insight into how the power of perspective can with one stroke cut through either prejudice or empathy, depending on the reader's awareness of the many layers of the onion and the moral foundation from which an audience approaches art.


ATTENTION: "Gypsy" Mountain has now been renamed "Romani" Mountain.
SHAME on all you who claim to be concerned about the use of the word "Gypsy" but refused to rename the mountain yourself!! All talk and no walk. You would rather criticize your comrades and try to make them feel bad than help them out.
ALL Official Earth First! documents using the name "Gypsy" shall from now onward instead use the name "Romani."


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nice to talk to you agian, ADAM
by big stick Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:20 PM

First of all, DEFORESTATION IS NOT AN OCCUPATION.
And also, when you work "wtihin the system," you don't change the system, the system changes you! ...as you should know.
Tree-sitting may not be the most effective way of saving trees, but WORKING FOR PALCO DOESN'T SAVE TREES EITHER!!!
note on "working within the system": Judge Golden's ruling. Your logging has been declared ILLEGAL for years! but you don't care, the cops don't care, why? YOU ARE GETTING PAID...the bottom line...the "DARK SIDE" of PALCO.
and you try to claim that you'd be out there clearcutting the forests even if you weren't getting paid FOR THE FUN OF IT? what bullshit! you'd be climbing trees, holding your nose up at weed-smokers while you downed cans of Budweiser and trying to score with the tree-sitter grrrls, which wouldn't happen.
Cut the crap ADAM, move back to the Bay and knock yourself out making up BS stories about Shunka and posting them on indymedia websites!


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ROMANI? GYPSY?
by no more drama Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2004 at 12:32 PM

Response to "toni," supposedly of "Romani International Inc.":

I went to your website to try to sort out this issue and how best to be sensitive to your point. Scrolling down a little ways, I found this:

"The Greek Youth Against Racism in Europe (YRE) needs your support in their campaign against the suppression of the rights of the Gypsy community of Evosmos, northern Greece. "

What kind of community was that? Looks like it says a "Gypsy" community in northern Greece. The word "Gypsy," right there on the website that you hyper-linked...

hmmm...kind of makes a person wonder what your real motivation is.....


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Maxxam/PL has dishonored themselves, once again...
by Shunka Wakan Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004 at 2:02 PM
shunka_2004 [at] yahoo.com

Just to bring things back around the main point, Maxxam/PL has completely dishonored themselves by cutting Aradia, in direct opposition to the wishes of Gypsy's family, and in total disrespect to Gypsy's life and death.
We use our donations to support direct action, and the only ones who question where the money goes are the Maxxam/PL lackeys who are trying to use FBI COINTELPRO tactics (COunter INTELlligence PROgram) to discredit the North Coast Earth First! movement. It's not going to work, and you will be exposed for your disrespectful and dastardly deeds.
No compromise in defense of Mother Earth!
Earth First!


http://www.northcoastearthfirst.org
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Once again...
by "gypsy" isn't a slur. Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004 at 2:52 PM

...and there is evidence in this thread to support that assertion. So far, the only evidence that it is a slur, is the assertion of same.

Show proof that "gypsy" is offensive, or step down.



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Racism IS taken lightly in Earth First
by d kielic Wednesday, Nov. 03, 2004 at 1:18 AM

Gypsy is an insult to my ancesteral heritage. it is offensive and I want it removed from use bu your troop.what is next for offensive names that you intend to use on public lands?

will you be insulting blacks?
will you be insulting mexicans?
will you be insulting native Americans
will you be insulting Asians?
will you be insulting Arabs?
will you be insulting Jews?

Gypsy is indeed a slang term for Roma People,then it should be removed from use on this or any other Mountain. how can this kind of racism still be allowed to be published in this day and age.

the fact that you don't mind throwing it around has no bearing on it's meaning and the inappropriateness of your use of it.
I suppose you could claim ignorance of what you where saying and that could be viewed as a viable excuse for your casting racial slurs against others. But now you have been Educated as to the nature of the offensive use of this word,
now we will see what the nature of your group really is.
will you seek to live in harmony with others or will you continue this abusive treatment of minorities with these racial slurs.
as for the






by obvious Wednesday, Nov. 03, 2004 at 10:05 AM

obvious attempt to discredit EF! and cry "racism" is nonsense...go to "R

What besides Roma do Gypsies call themselves?

Quick now, off the top of your head....

'We had the same pain'

Most people know about the millions of Jews murdered in Hitler's death camps; less is known about the 500,000 Gypsies who also died. Walter Winter is determined that this must change

Emma Brockes
Monday November 29, 2004
The Guardian (UK)

...and tell us about your personal experiences with the word. What term did your folks use, where you came from? and when? Because of course, Roma communities are so scattered throughtout so many different lands, they are hardly homogenous. But you knew that, right?

Personally, I think it's all a charade, a giant red herring and the intentional effort of someone trying to stir shit up and discredit the tree sitters in self-consciously PC terms.

Go ahead - Prove me wrong.

yea drivin heavy equiement 15 feet from a hole thats 8 feet below ground that didnt have any shoreing to support the roof thats real bright but thats the kind of shit pl does they have no regard for human life we know that by seeing what there employies do to non-violent ativist holding people upside down over 200 ft in the air with a harness that was half on them and half on me then they took it off of me but they had to loosen it off of him also REAL safe

ADAM if we worked on the inside wed be just like you are fat old and pissed off becuz your kids arent goin 2 have clean air water food that isnt cotaminated with jah knows what o yea you look funny barefoot flan

well loan us a ass load of money and we'll do it

i lived on the mountain where daivid chain was murdered for a little under a year and if it werent for the donations given to us those trees would have died much sooner i know that i was extraced but it happened willingly those people get off hurting people that are tring 2 provide something for our kids they say get a job but i have 1 its defending our mother earth and i can say for certin that all money collected bye the people that i lived up there with went to food and gear 2 help us none of it went 2 some condo or car and shunkas broke ass cant have a car and if he did where in the hell is it ? did pl buy it for him as a bribe anyway if your going to support something you give the money or donations to the people in the feild they really know what they need not what someone thinks they need

i lived on gypsy mnt. and let me say this i was honered to be there and respect is the only thing we wanted for the land we are all wanders it seems as if u hold some resentment more than just a namesake we LOVED and still LOVE David "Gypsy"Chain his ethinic background is of no concern 2 me, just as yours isnt. we are all human being and i would love you the same if you were blue and came from the gasses of neptune. flan Freedom Love
And
Nature

They gypsy-as-slur line seems to be breaking down fast. Funny we haven't heard it asserted recently.

Here's another use of it, as re. the first Gypsy MEP: