Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Photos: Staff Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick

I am just absolutely shocked that real people could watch such abuse as nothing strange. What is wrong with those people in the prison. Did they really not think that that behavior was wrong? I saw a lot of americans witness to this treatment. While viewing those photos I felt that is the equvalent to rape. For god sakes, its no wonder they hate us. How could we, how could we...? My last comment is what everyones parents tell you as we grow into mature civilians.... Treat others the way you would like to be treated. I don't believe whatever crime those prisoners commited was not worth that punishment. I am discussded

What these people did to the Iraqi detainees is detestable. They should be punished under numerous articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. As a supervisor in the Military you have to have good order and discipline and what these people have done has brought discredit upon the Armed Forces.
I am not saying that what the Iraqi militants are doing is okay. What I am saying is that they had the opportunity to say no that is not a legal order. I will not follow orders that are against the Uniform Code of Military Justice. These are WAR CRIMES and even if an article 32 is conducted, they still should be held accountable for their actions at a War Tribunal. This would not be considered double jeopardy because of their signing an enlistment contract.

HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

Hi guys!

I must prefix my comments and say that I am a Vietnam vet, 2 tours, of the Australian Army. I was an artillery surveyor in 1966, and a tank commander in 1971.

I am watching an Australian 4 Corners program on the subject of prisoner abuse. I saw a relation of the US soldier Ivan Frederick saying, "he was just following orders." I cannot begin to imagine how Fredericks family must feel but there is always a choice.

Remember, it was the US, taking the high moral ground, which would not accept that German forces during WW II were, "just following orders." In the case of the Germans, there was a chance that had they not done waht they were told, they would have been shot. This is something that the US Army (I hope) would not resort to!

However, the US administration seems to think that US forces are above international law (hence the lack of joining the International Criminal Court), and try to appease international pressure over this abuse by scapegoating some ordinary soldiers.

I firmly believe there is something wrong in the whole US military with its reliance on hi tech equipment. In the Australian Army, we do not have the wealth for the same sort of capability for masses of hi tech equipment as the US military does. As a consequence I believe we are better trained in the "art of war" as we cannot depend on vast amounts of hi tech eqpt.

If it was good enough for the German combatants, then it's good enough for US combatants, and Australians as well!

The US is supposed to be a God fearing country, therefore every citizen knows right from wrong. To not stand up to people committing crimes against humanity is itself a crime. "I was just following orders" will not wash. If it does, then many convictions of WW II Germans must be overturned!

Brad Golding

Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick IS A PIECE OF TRASH. COMMITTING UNTHINKABLE ATROCITIES AGAINST INNOCENT IRAQI's, YOU MY FRIEND ARE GARBAGE.,YOU HAVE ONLY ANGERED MORE AND MORE PEOPLE. I HOPE HE HaS FUN IN JAIL!!!!

I agree with AN AMERICAN's assessment of Chip being a piece of CRAP. Not necessarily for abusing the enemy, but for giving the military's efforts a bad name.

I hope Chip receives the same treatment in his jail cell. Of course he'll probably enjoy it.

Chip, you have a very nice looking wife, let me know if she needs tending while you're gone.

Give me an effing break. Wishing you were at someplace like Tailhook, Marine? No wonder there are places like Abu Ghraib.

"Chip, you have a very nice looking wife, let me know if she needs tending while you're gone."

This is an outrage to sentence our Soldiers to an 8 year prison sentence. These are the individuals that are risking their lives to protect the freedom that all of us enjoy. This is a WAR! These people are terrorists and any means required to extract information out of them that could lead to saving the lives of americans should be used. I am outraged at that these soldiers be punished!

Are you serious??? It is an outrage that any American soldier serving overseas, particularly in the Middle East, should be treated in such a manner. Remember, this is wartime...Perhaps we should decapitate the rest of the Iraqi prisoners??? Let me say this...a foreign POW should feel lucky to be detained by Americans...They have more freedom, 3 squares a day and GUARANTEED safety...My GOSH he may have to wear womens undergarments...GIVE ME A BREAK...

I agree wholeheartedly! THIS IS WAR TIME, PEOPLE ... did you get it that time? I can't imagine MARINES would agree that this guy is getting a fair shake -- anyone with two brain cells working can see that he's being used as a scapegoat based on nothing more than pansy-butted wimps' opinions. EIGHT years in prison??? What on God's earth are they thinking, when Americans are being beheaded in this war???? This guy deserves nothing more than a wrist slap, and the rest of you deserve a b-slap. I'd gladly administer it.

Bottom line.........we'd not want them treating our soldiers the way they treated the detainees. I do think eight years is WAY too long but he even said he knew right from wrong, he did wrong.

Bullshit. That line didn't work for the Nazis and it doesn't work for our troops when they disgrace themselves.

These effing rapists have disgraced their uniforms and should pay the penalty. A uniform is not a license to commit crimes.

how "this is war" justifies this kind of action? This soldier and her cohorts are a disgrace to all the soldiers who have served honorably in defense of their country. Would you have her and her commanders stand as equals next to them? Should she be carrying her leash?

Compare that LEASH picture you have with those of Americans hanging burned on a bridge, and the heads of Americans being held for the cameras, then talk to me about "atrocities" like being forced to disrobe or wear panties. Then compare NAZI concentration camps, where mass murder was the daily diet, to the prison we're talking about here, and you'll see it's an IDIOTIC analysis. If you can't see the difference, YOU're the one with the problem. Nobody SAID the SSGT did the RIGHT thing -- BUT, he also said he reported it all to his superiors and was told, in effect, to "keep on keeping on." Although he deserves SOME punishment for his ROLE in it, there are CERTAINLY mitigating circumstances. EIGHT years in prison for it is an ABSOLUTE mockery of justice. GET OUTTA HERE.

i wonder if chippie might not like to serve his time at abu ghraib... though from what i hear, it's not a lot better in texas.

you want to defend this bullshit like a schoolyard bully? Then YOU GET OUTTA HERE. An eye for an eye is not the law of our land. If you don't like our laws and our Constitution then you need to ask yourself what those soldiers are fighting for. WHAT HAPPENED AT ABU GHRAIB IS INDEFENSIBLE. If you want our soldiers to be terrorists themselves, you're the one that needs to leave buddy.

I do believe an eye for an eye is more of a Middle Eastern concept. Perhaps you'd like their laws better.

what an embarrasment to the USA! this man and all who accompanied him should be severly punished for their actions. it's no wonder they blow up americans at inspection stations- because look how we're treating them! it's terrible and bought tears to my eyes and still does at the thought of what these fellow human beings had to endure, many for no reason. i just pray for these people for the mental and physical trauma sustained during all of this....

complain. vote. tell your family, friends and coworkers how upset you are. write a letter. be heard!!

they get away with theis stuff only when no one pipes up.

...other soldiers that wouldn't dream of committing such atrocities.

What Iraqi wouldn't want to blow up someone who did this to his wife or mother???

Allow me first to say that I am a vietnam Vet with 18 combat decoratins, an ex-officer helicopter pilot who also did a stint in Military Intelligence.

What the guards at Abu Ghraib did should not be an embarrassment to the Citizens of the USA, any more than any number of other poorly trained Soldiers that, for instance, regularly kill women and children in the heat of combat; Espcially when they are being coached and coaxed by Halliburton sub-contracted "civilian" mercenaries hired to carry out white house desires BECAUSE those contractors have little if any govt accountability and holding them accountable is extremely difficult if not impossible.

If we are to be embarrassed, ...and I am quite embarrased, and extremely concerned... it should be at our white house, it's empire / regime, and it's covert mercenary factions of the Military Industrial Complex who controls our white house mostly through Dick Cheney who has long been the chief of the Halliburton / Brown and Root / CIA black ops consortium of neo-con / neo-fascist scumbags. These are the same factions that ran their war contracts cash cow and heroin cartel in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam that we know of as the vietnam war; And the same factions that got caught red-handed with a CIA cargo plane full of cocaine which set off the Iran-Contra diversion and white wash that is synonymous to the congressional 9-11 findings.

The cornucopia of garbage we are witnessing and discussing will NOT cease until those covert scumbag factions are once and for all weeded out of the secret halls of our govt they operate in AND CONVICTED for their historic record of Treason. But the Citizens of the USA will not be able to accomplish that as long as a critical mass remains litterally brainwashed, waving little plastic Amairkan flags made in China while desiring little more than having their self-image of patriotism continue to be massaged by the brainwashing being poured upon this nation by the MIC empire that controls our white house just as Dwight Eisenhower warned they would by Nixon being elected to hand over the Republican party to the MIC empire on a silver platter.

War and POW's are not new. Long before TV reporters became so involved in the everyday line of battle, we poor U.S. citizens had no clue what was going on at the frontlines. Likewise, what Chip Frederick did was simply doing his job like many good men who served before him. All you people so against Chip......put your thinking caps on and remember the American Soldier who was drug, naked through the streets of Somalia while on lookers cheered. I think the fact that TV reporters have become so involved in the Iraq war is the crime, not the men and women serving. They report only what they think we should see and neglect many good things that our troops are doing. But then, we Americans do have freedom of speech don't we??

Wake up good people of the USA, you are being brain washed and don't even reconize it. Chip and his fellow officers didn't drag one DEAD Iraqi through the streets. I'm honored that Chip served his country and has done so bravely, now he will pay the price of "Thanks" from the U.S. Government. God be with you Martha and Chip!!!

"remember the American Soldier who was drug, naked through the streets of Somalia while on lookers cheered"

and maybe now, Tammy, you can get just a little glimpse of why the people america "liberates" get so pissed at us. do you remember the discussions of torture on the front page of the new york times, when camp delta was first established? well, now you know why.

indeed, chippy the punk did not invent what he did. the real crime, is that he's taking the fall for policy decisions made by people like rumsfeld and bush.

Perhaps Tammy, you can tell us who this 9 year old Iraqi girl dragged throught the streets before she was raped by American brutes? Or what the young Iraqi woman did to deserve her gang rape?

Case 1:
On May 22, 2003, in Baghdad, a nine-year-old girl was abducted from the stairs of the building where she lived, taken to an abandoned building nearby, and raped. A family friend who saw the young girl immediately following the rape informed international human rights groups.
The report quotes the family friend, "She was sitting on the stairs, here, at 4:00 p.m. It seems to me that probably they hit her on the back of the head with a gun and then took her to [a neighboring] building. She came back fifteen minutes later, bleeding [from the vaginal area]. [She was still bleeding two days later, so] we took her to the hospital."

A human rights group saw a copy of the medical report by the U.S. military doctor who treated the baby girl six days later. The report documented bruising in the vaginal area, a posterior vaginal tear, and a broken hymen. Lieutenant Monica Casmaer, a physician’s assistant attached to a U.S. military unit, examined the nine year old girl. with the pediatrician. She described the injuries as fairly severe, especially given the time that had elapsed before she was examined.

Case 2:

A young Iraqi woman told an international human rights group that armed men abducted her from her home on a Thursday night in early May, 2003. She said her captors gang-raped her at an unknown location before dropping her in an unfamiliar district of Baghdad the following morning.

The report of the woman says, "I was here, on the stairs by the door when a car pulled up with four men. My daughter was on the upper floor, I was on the ground floor. The four men got out of the car and approached me. They were armed, they put guns to my head and said come with us. I screamed and said take the pistol away. My daughter started to scream. They pulled my hair and pushed me in the car and they started shooting at the house, more than fifty shots. My daughter was screaming the whole time. Many neighbors started to shoot too, but they couldn’t catch them".

The victim added "In the car they made me put my head down between my legs, and put a pistol to my head. They said that if I moved my head I’d be killed, so I don’t know where they took me…. [Then they took me into a building where] they were hitting me on the head and arms, and I still can’t stretch out because my whole body hurts. They used hot water on my head, my eyes still burn from that and my arms. They raped me, in many, many ways. They kept me until the next day, I begged them, I said I have a young child, I said she might die if I leave her alone. And so then they left me alone. When I came home my appearance was so bad, my hair was a mess, my mouth was bloody and my legs too. They burned my legs with cigarettes. They bit me, on my shoulders and arms. All of them raped me, there were five or six more than the four who kidnapped me, there were ten of them total and I was raped by all ten of them."

The most unconscionable aspect of these heinous rapes in Iraq is that many were filmed for the depraved enjoyment of perverts in the USA. Only a thorough Congressional investigation will begin the process of bringing the Pentagon rapists and sodomists to justice. Congress must investigate the connection between the rape of Iraqi women and girls and the Jewish pornographic industry in the USA. A thorough investigation might even save the lives of many American girls who are also being abducted and utilized for the same purpose. There are hundreds of underage girls that disappear in the USA yearly never to be seen again. Many of these young American girls lose their lives in the production of "kiddie porn snuff films".

Its hard to believe that Ivan Fredericks was treated as a villain in respect to the head cutters. You have "journalist" like Tom Brokaw report on the Abu Ghraib prison incident as if it was abuse on par with people getting their heads sawed off. Not to mention that bloated gas bag from Massachusetts Ted "the swimmer" Kennedy, and his outrage of the treatment of Iraq prisoners. Mind you, we heard virtually nothing concerning outrage from gas bag Kennedy and other liberals like him, concerning the abuse and torture by the Fanatic Muslims.
Kennedy actually equated sawed of heads with prisoners having to wear panties on theirs. Well, at-least these barbarians got to keep their heads!

Those detainees are comparable to death worshipers. They have no regard for life, including their own. So, how do you force them to waiver, and extract information that will save lives? We all know about the abuse and oppression of women by practitioners of fanatic Islam, just ask those that have been mutilated. They have zero respect for women, so its quite a big deal for them to be controlled by a women, and be powerless while in her cusp. Well, maybe humiliating them at the hands of a women, and lead them on leash will get them to comply. The media wants you to believe, that these were innocent Iraqis in that jail, being unfairly detained. These prisoners were that worst of the worst, the very same insurgents we keep hearing about that set off road side bombs, killing anyone in the area, including children.

...are not related. Yes both are heinous. One does not excuse the other. That's lynch mob mentality. It is not the job of Americans to rape 9 year old girls or anyone else, no matter what is done to other Americans.

So let's see, let me see if I get this: if your brother kills my brother, it's OK for me to rape your child? Would that work as a law here? No it's obscene. Does brutality here excuse the breaking of any law or the withholding of legal penalties?

And by the way, we were not invited to solve Iraq's problems. We missed the real culprit, in case you've forgotten.

The fact that he told his superiors what he and others were doing does not excuse his crimes. This white trash piece of scum bully is SO guilty. The damage that his actions have done to US Foreign policy and security (by convincing many others to become terrorists after looking at those pictures) is so great that he should have been tried for treason and given a life sentence. His superiors and this Military Intelligence officers that are mentioned are not less guilty and I expect they get also punished if proved that what Chip Frederick says about them is true.

I think the length of the prison sentence given for Ivan Frederick is way too harsh. We all know what happens if a member of the military refuses an order. Even Calley got less for shooting civilians in VietNam. Frederick acknowledges he did wrong. He will carry this around with him always. He will have an dishonorable discharge. Eight years is way too much.

I do think that the responsibility lies at the top, but this guy said he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he did it anyway. Refusing to obey orders can be good.

I don't believe there are any good excuses for what Ivan Fredericks did to the Iraq prisoners.
He took people who were completely dependent on the humanity of the guards. They were everybit as helpless as a puppy.....
I loathe anyone who mistreats anything or anyone who is weaker.
Ivan would have had to have a mean spirit or he could not have done the deeds he did.
It is the kind of soldier I would expect in a Bush army.

28 ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS IMPLICATED IN DEATH OF DETAINEES TWO YEARS AGO - NOT YET CHARGED!! The Army is using the National Guard to cover up its crimes. They have PUNISHED TO MISDEMEANORS and let those active duty Army who killed detainees go UNCHARGED, UNIDENTIFIED, AND UNPUNSIHED. This is unAmerican, unJust, and reeks of cowardice at the highest level of command. Charge them all or Free the 372nd MP's -- SMSgt Kinderknecht, Retired Air National Guard

You know what? It's okay to torure people who are not Americans. It's okay to step on their faces and spit on their honor! Why because they are not American! Exactly, what the American person thinks is okay to do with other races.
People! Wake up, it is never going to be okay anymore.

I don't understand..........we get a building blown up in NY so we fight back with war. The soliders go over to Iraq and get shot, blown up, be-headed, hung from bridges and that's ok?!?!?!??! When the soliders fight back to LIVE so they can GO HOME to their families that they have been robbed of and instead go to prison for unjust reasons. This is war, if I were there and being shot at I am certainly not going to sit back and bake them frigin cookies and pour out some tea -- I AM GOING TO KILL THAT PERSON BEFORE THAT PERSON KILLS ME!!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with you people?! I just don't understand.

Apparently you haven't heard, but the entire pretext for the invasion of Iraq was based on lies. Iraq had nothing to do with 911, a fact that even the Bushies now admit.

Given that, your defense of torture in Iraq makes as much sense as would the claim that Scot Peterson should be given some slack because America was attacked by terrorists a few years back.

(But even if the Iraqi government *did* have a hand in 911, it's still morally repugnant to apologize for the torture of those the US arrests in its indiscriminate sweeps.)

The news that there definitely were not any WMDs in Iraq bolsters the position that this was an illegal war coloured by torture and abuse. The soldiers who committed these crimes - Lynne England, Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Phillabaum and many others must stand accused of the worst of crimes against humanity because the "soft" nature of this cultural abuse is actually far more hurtful to Muslims than in a war in which there are clear combatants and deaths on either side of the conflict. This war, undertaken as the result of clear deception at the very highest governmental level, will raise issues for many years and even decades to come on the joint role of the two allies and the criminal involvement of plain ordinary American folk who took part in these horrendous abuses and excruciating tortures at Abu Ghuraib and other centres. The offspring of Ms. England and Colonel Jerry Phillabaum have to live with the knowledge that they are born out of terror and abuse - may they work for the rest of their lives to expunge the memories of the vile acts of their parents.
Jaffer Clarke

As I sit here realizing that all the senators and representatives of the ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE have seen the videos of small boys in Abu Ghraib being raped and sodomized to make their parents "talk" I am wondering if there is any compassion in the conservative Congress. I've lost count of the Fort Bragg soldiers and regular Army soldiers who have not been named, charged, or punished at all for their crimes of homicide and abuse. Who is going to be ultimately responsbile for all the lies, the chaos, the misue of the military? I blame the Oval Office Resident. Until there is a REAL election, I will not recognize him any other way. Given a choice, I'd rather serve in prison with the Army Reservists than support the cowards in command. Appalled in Fayetteville, NC

It has become inceasingly clear that child abuse has disappeared from the Media and that Child Abusers are not being prosecuted at Fort Bragg/Fayetteville/Cumerland Cunty - but are being kept on duty and deployed. Their children left in their care. This is evidence of the priority that Fort Bragg and it's community places on the safety and welfare of babies and chidlren. Between April 24, 2004 and December 2005 -- there was only one story in the media re; child abuse and that story was in November 2005. The regular active duty soldiers implicated in death of detainees and those reportedly appearing in videos raping and sodomizing small boys in Abu Ghraib are unnamed, uncharged, and unpunished and are still on duty - deployed - while the Army Reservists who appeared in photos are IN PRISON. The top generals have lied and hid behind the skirt of a one-striper - so must assume they are not only untruthful but Cowards as well. Bullys in Command. How lucky they are to have the War Monger in power and in charge!! Disgusted and worried. When children are beaten and abused and Fort Bragg does nothing - it is beyond horrific. How very awful.. They (Pentagon and Army Command) are bringing Democracy to Iraq - one has to ask why is it at the expense of the babies and children.. I am appalled. Is child abuse encouraged and enabled and unreported and unpunished at Fort Bragg? Do they need soldiers that badly? I can name 3.

As of Monday October 1st 2007 Chip Ivan Frederick is free thats great he deserves to be...the iraqis deserve what they got...Chip gave his life for the usa i salute chip welcome home chip...and to the rest of the itoits posting messages that are ignorant grow up have u ever served. Thanks Chip