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Dances with fascism - Nader's fall from grace

by Daniel Shays
Another four years of the Bush regime? Not on your life. If we have to take Ralph down in the effort to save this land from the neo-con fundamentalists, so be it.
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We are not living in normal times in the Bay area or anywhere. Even many mainstream political observers are finally waking up to just how VERY dangerous the fundamentalist neo-con onslaught really is in Washington (see Republican Kevin Phillips' "American Dynasty", as one example). Unless you want to court the very real possibility that you (and perhaps your children) may spend your remaining years under marshall law or in some dingy internment camp, you'd be a fool to have anything to do with Ralph Nader at this point in time.

This is no exaggeration or the ravings of some paranoid conspiracy theorist. I too, campaigned and voted for Nader in 2000, partly in the hope that if Bush did win (which he didn't), the neo-cons would galvanize the left. That actually happened (witness millions in the streets last year), but I vastly under-estimated how really dangerous the Bush regime could be. Now we all see and if you don't feel the chill you're not paying attention. I'm looking 60 in the face and i've NEVER seen anything in this nation that looks remotely as threatening to freedom, democracy, the U.S. Constitution and the well-being of the biosphere as the regime that is now occupying Washington. Simply said: there's zero room for Nader on the precipice of the new fascism that now threatens to engulf any freedoms we have remaining.

Another four years of the Bush regime? Not on your life. If we have to take Ralph down in the effort to save this land from the neo-con fundamentalists, so be it. The lives of my children and my grandchildren are far more important.; your lives and those of your loved ones are far more important . We can deal with the duopoly and the corporados under Kerry or whomever, but under an entrenched Bush regime we won't even have the space. Join the resistance to Bush and Nader. It's truly a matter of life and death.
Yes, we'd rather have the D's murdering, destroying and doing the dirtywork of the corporations than the R's. Then we can all go home and watch TV again! Then we can all shop at the malls and not worry about bombs and terror any-more!

Finally, we can all relax.

So what if Clinton signed NAFTA in and it destroyed the lives of workers all over, trasferred wealth directly from low and middle income to the corporations - so what?

So what if Democraps execute people to their heart's content - so what? So what if they try to smash gay marriage - so what?

So what if they voted to transfer all the wealth of average Americans into the hands of a few corporations by stripping away any penalties to corporate crimes year after year after silent year in congress - so what?

So what if the D's assisted in bring on tthe deaths of tens of thousands around the world via bombs that they supported in F**king Congress - so the f**k what?

So what that they worked harder than ever to stop the Greens in the smallest of races in the country in SF by pushing Pimp celebrity candidates that told lies about Newsom - so what?

So what that they voted yes on the PATRIOT Act, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan Murders, Fast Track . . .. so what?

We just can't let that man in his rumpled suit have his say on national TV!! God, please stop that man!!
by tkat
I love democrats I really do, radical democrats might call themselves liberal. Cool. Neato.
I love democrats cause they are our only hope for defeating Bush. They control the dialogue on the subject and definately want to make sure the debate and ideas of a presidental campaign stay within the tighly confined constructs of middle of the road corporate capitalist, colonialist, boredom.
I cannot help myself, to love them democrats, " I kissed ducacus when I was 18, right on his furry brow". I seriously am having trouble figuring out what the difference is between kerry and bush. Kerry seems like a moderate republican in democrat clothing.
OK here is a ticket for president, Nader and Dean, Peltier for atourney general.
by ratchet
um, CNN keeps telling me nader is bad too. and CNN doesn't exactly have democracy as its highest concern. you might want to double check exactly whose interests you're fighting for here.

democrican or republicrat, it's still the corporations that ultimately pull the strings. and nader is making things all awkward by being the only one to point that out in explicit terms. so, the corporations need people to fear nader. and they're using the democrats to accomplish that. because if bush loses, well at least they'll still have their friends the dems. and you're falling for it. good for you, citizen.
by guelp
I already have my Nader LaDuke sign in the window. anyways, can anyone tell me the rule for whether you are allowed to choose which ballot to use in the primary regardless of your party? I'm in P&F, which is running peltier, but I remember distinctly that I was able to vote for Simon on the republican ballot in a primary, but now a democrat with a big tray of jelly doughnuts on sproul was saying that you can only vote within party. However, it wouldn't surprise me that something was awry last time because they seemed incompetent in many ways, and there were about a dozen people listed at my residence who don't live there, but maybe with the computer chips they have this time, they won't let you vote for which party you choose.
by Ken Morgan
Where were all those hundreds of thousands who marched against the US invasion, under a Republican leadership, of Iraq, while Clinton was carrying out a war of ethnic cleansing against the poor in this country, and murdering 5,000 Iraqi children each month as a result of sanctions. The largest demo I saw against Clinton's so-called "Welfare Reform" was about 200. Where were all the "good progressive Democrats"-genuflecting in front of their full size oil portraits of Bill Clinton?Of the 1 million Iraqis killed as a result of US enforced sanctions, 80% died during a Democratic administration.
I understand the arguments for "lesser evilism". What I can't abide, is the hypocrisy of those who support the polices by Democrats, that if carried out by Republicans would bring them out into the streets.
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