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MoveOn.Org's Bush-Hitler Comparison Commercial 2

by MoveOn.Org
You asked for it, you got it. Almost banished from the Internet to the Memory Hole, this amazingly accurate comparison proves to be too much for wimpy Democratic front-group MoveOn.org. The question of taste aside, it's the MEME that's important...never again?
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The Simon Wiesenthal Center and the ADL act as if they are the sole owner of WWII history and its tyrants. The atrocities of WWII are HUMAN HISTORY, and NOT some intellectual property of the loudest Jewish voice. The lesson is not one of "Jews have been persecuted, so you need our permission to mention Hitler--or else." Rather, WWII is a history lesson for all people in the dangers of fascism, and the methods such as fear and terror that fascists use to manipulate the masses.

By suppressing valid comparisons to the darker side of human history, the Simon Wiesenthal Center and ADL denigrate the memory of all who died in WWII, by helping to allow such historical atrocities to repeat themselves.

Also see:
The Bush Hitler Thing - Holocaust Family Survivor Speaks Out
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/1670991.php

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by Impeachment is for Liars
If anyone has the first MoveOn.org movie, please upload it here for all to see.

This movie is in Quicktime format. To view the movie, you must have Quicktime installed. It can be downloaded here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
by Lifted from the RNC liars web site
Script 1:
GRAPHIC: Nazi Flags In A Parade
GRAPHIC: Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: A NATION WARPED BY LIES

GRAPHIC: German Troops Marching
GRAPHIC: Hitler In Car In Parade
GRAPHIC: German Troops Marching
CHYRON: LIES FUEL FEAR

GRAPHIC: German Tanks
CHYRON: FEAR FUELS AGGRESSION

GRAPHIC: German Artillery Firing
GRAPHIC: German Planes Dropping Bombs
GRAPHIC: German Tanks Firing
CHYRON: INVASION

GRAPHIC: German Tanks Rolling Down Street
CHYRON: OCCUPATION

GRAPHIC: Hitler With Hand Raised
BACKGROUND: Sig Heil! Sig Heil!
CHYRON: WHAT WERE WAR CRIMES IN 1945

GRAPHIC: President Bush With Hand Raised At Inauguration
BACKGROUND: Sig Heil! Sig Heil!
CHYRON: IS FOREIGN POLICY IN 2003

CHYRON: SPONSORED BY MOVEON.ORG


Script 2:
GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: We have taken new measures to protect our homeland,

GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: I believe I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator,

GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them,

GRAPHIC: Pictures of President Bush
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did.

CHYRON: SOUND FAMILIAR?
BACKGROUND: Cheering German Crowd

by DAVE LINDORFF
January 6, 2004

RNC Plays the Hitler Card
MoveOn Shouldn't Apologize for Those Ads

You can tell that the Republican Party is more worried than it lets on about the upcoming November election. Today's shrill attack on the MoveOn.org organization, which the Republican National Committee is accusing--incorrectly and dishonestly--of endorsing two sample political ads which draw comparisons between Hitler and George Bush, demonstrates how much the Bush brain trust fears this remarkably successful populist internet-based organization.

The two ads were actually among some 1000 that were submitted as part of a contest established by MoveOn to come up with strong ads for the 2004 Democratic campaign. They, along with over 1000 others, were submitted to Move.On for consideration. The organization put them all on its website and allowed members to vote for the best. A group of 15 30-second submissions which received the most votes were then posted as finalists.

Neither of the controversial Hitler/Bush ads made that cut, but the RNC went ahead and issued press releases, as well as sending RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie rushing over to Fox TV, to denounce MoveOn for presumably insulting Bush and American Jews.

MoveOn's Eli Pariser has responded to this GOP assault explaining that clearly the organization never endorsed those ads, and that its membership obviously rejected them. Further, he says MoveOn "regrets the appearance" of the two ads on the MoveOn website, where they were briefly available for viewing along with all the other submissions initially (they've been removed now). Interestingly, now that those ads have been pulled by MoveOn, the only place the scripts can be read is on the RNC website (http://www.rnc.org/moveonvideo.htm).

But Pariser shouldn't be so quick to express his regrets. The truth is that the two ads are pretty darned good. The first shows Hitler in a parade and speaking, followed by scenes of German troops attacking, planes bombing, tanks firing, and victorious troops goose-stepping into occupied territory, as a voiceover says "A nation warped by lies--lies fuel fear--fear fuels aggression--invasion--occupation." As the scene fades from Hitler giving a raised arm salute to Bush with his hand raised at his inauguration, the voiceover says, "What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003."

And the truth: The Bush administration deliberately stoked public fears after 9/11--just as the Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire--to win support for an illegal, unprovoked invasion of Iraq, an act of aggression which, at the Nuremberg Trials, was specifically determined to be a war crime. The ad might have added that the "shock and awe" terror campaign that was the centerpiece of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, was also by definition a war crime, since its target was the Iraqi public.

As for the second controversial ad, it features first a picture of Hitler, speaking in German, with a voiceover translating the lines as "We have taken new measures to protect our homelandSI believe I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Then, as Hitler continues to speak, the voiceover says, "God told me to strike Al-Qaeda, and I struck him." As the picture morphs into George Bush, the voiceover continues, "Sand then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did." With a picture of cheering Germans in the background, the voiceover concludes, "Sound familiar?"

And the truth here? President Bush did in fact publicly claim divine instruction to have been behind his decisions to invade Afghanistan and later Iraq--a rather scary example, if he is being sincere, of the very kind of megalomania that characterized Hitler.

Were these two ads unfair to either Bush or to the memory of the Holocaust? Hardly.

They were legitimate warnings that the American public is being manipulated by demagoguery, jingoism and the worst kind of lies.

Are they saying that Bush is Hitler? Only to the most simplistic or willfully unimaginative of viewers--that is to say the RNC poobahs. What they are saying is that the same technique used by Hitler and his National Socialist brownshirts to whip up nationalist fervor in Germany in the early and mid 1930s is being employed today by the Bush Administration and the Republican Party, and to the same end--to get the American public to acquiesce in surrendering its democratic rights, to accept one-party rule, and to agree to a national policy of permanent war in the name of American global hegemony.

Obviously the MoveOn crowd was repelled by the bluntness of the two ads, and rejected them, but Pariser needn't apologize for inspiring their creation.

Both, in their way, are sadly prophetic.

Pariser and MoveOn should be proud that they were produced, happy that the RNC is helping to circulate them, and encouraged that the Republicans are making such a fuss about the whole thing.

Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. A collection of Lindorff's stories can be found here: http://www.nwuphilly.org/dave.html
by repost
Bush and Hitler have more in common than we could approve. And their common grounds are terrible and point to the threat for the world by the most criminal head of state since Stalin's death. Follow the link for a full comparison:
http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernhard.Hiller/terror/hitlerbush_en.html
http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html
by repost
A tribute to MoveOn's Bush-Hitler venture. NOT a MoveOn Commercial.
by Edward Jayne
Dissident Voice

March 29, 2003

After President Bush promised last fall to invade Iraq, his spokesmen fell into the habit of comparing Saddam Hussein with Adolph Hitler, by most accounts the most monstrous figure in modern history. Everybody was therefore shocked when the German Minister of Justice turned the tables by comparing Bush himself with Hitler. As to be expected, she (the Justice Minister) was forced to resign because of her extreme disrespect for an American president. However, the resemblance sticks -- there are too many similarities to be ignored, some of which may be listed here.

1. Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.

2. Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized national outrage, in Hitler's case the Reichstag fire, in Bush's case the 9-11 catastrophe.

3. Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless ultra-nationalist foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate.

4. Like Hitler, Bush has accordingly improved his popularity ratings, especially with veterans and conservative Republicans, by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany's military buildup, Bush uses Al Qaeda and the Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup.

5. Like Hitler, Bush promotes militarism while in the midst of a major economic recession (or depression). He uses war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis.

6. Like Hitler, Bush glorifies patriotism to stir up public support. He treats our nation's unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God.

7. Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he makes generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the case of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City.

8. Like Hitler, Bush envisages a future world order that guarantees his own nation's hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations). He is willing to break the U.N. Charter in promoting this end.

9. Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.

10. Like Hitler, Bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a "coalition of the willing," to give the impression of having a broad popular alliance. These include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini's Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II.

11. Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations. Today, Bush depends on a "defense" budget roughly equivalent to the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world.

12. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to invade other nations despite the opposition of the U.N. (League of Nations). He also has no qualms about bribing, bullying and insulting its members, even tapping their telephone lines.

13. Like Hitler, Bush pursues war without cutting back on the peacetime economy. He actually seeks to reduce taxes while conducting an expensive invasion and occupation of an "undesirable" nation.

14. Like Hitler, Bush launches unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis. Just as Hitler convinced the German public to think of Poland as a threat to Germany in 1939, Bush wants Americans to think of Iraq as a "potential" threat to our national security.

15. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed, with many thousands of casualties anticipated in Iraq, especially since the city of Baghdad--with a population of between 5 and 6 million--will be a primary target.

16. Like Hitler, Bush depends on a military strategy that features a "shock and awe" blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armor columns.

17. Like Hitler, Bush is perfectly willing to sacrifice life as part of his official duty, as indicated by his unique record as a governor of Texas who was reluctant to commute death sentences.

18. Like Hitler Bush began warfare on a single front (Al Qaeda quartered in Afghanistan), but then expanded it to a second front with Iraq, only to be confronted with North Korea as a potential third front. Much the same thing happened when Hitler expanded German military operations from Spain to Poland and France, then was distracted by Yugoslavia before invading the USSR in 1941.

19. Like Hitler, Bush has no qualms about imposing "regime change" by installing Quisling-style client governments reinforced by full-scale military occupation under a military governor.

20. Like Hitler, Bush curtails civil liberties and depends on detention centers (i.e. concentration camps) such as Guantanamo Bay.

21. Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth. Bush and his spokesmen argue, for example that every measure has been taken to avoid war (hardly true), that an invasion of Iraq will diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat to the world, and that the U.S. is staging an invasion because the risks of inaction would be greater (not less). All of this is highly debatable. They likewise argue that Iraq is linked with Al Qaeda (which has yet to be proven), and that nothing whatsoever has been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. war plans (which simply isn't true). They insist that Iraq hides numerous weapons it does not possess as well as can be determined by U.N. inspectors, and they refuse to acknowledge the total absence of any nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the late nineties. As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accuse everybody else of deception and evasiveness.

22. Like Hitler, Bush incessantly finds new excuses to justify war—from Iraq's WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat. As soon as one excuse for war is challenged, Bush shifts to another, but only to shift back again at another time.

23. Like Hitler Bush and his cohorts exaggerate ruthlessness by their enemies in order to justify their own. Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the Bush team justifies a full-scale invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity that were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S., supplied with both advisors and materiel (poison gas included) by our own government.

24. Like Hitler, Bush's Messianic ambition to bring about America's hegemonic dominance in the world makes him perhaps the most dangerous President in our nation's history, a rogue chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars.

25. Like Hitler, Bush has become so obsessed with his vision of a Manichaean conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (the anti-patriotic "other") that for many in contact with the White House he is beginning to seem as if he has lost touch with reality.

26. Like Hitler, Bush takes pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice. As a youth Hitler read and memorized the western novels of Karl May, and Bush retains into his maturity his fascination with simplistic cowboy values. He also exaggerates a cowboy twang despite his elitist education at Andover, Yale and Harvard.

27. Like Hitler, Bush misconstrues evolutionary theory, in Hitler's case by treating the Aryan race as being superior, in Bush's case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.


Of course countless differences may be listed between Hitler and President Bush, most of which are to the credit of Bush. Nevertheless, the twenty-seven resemblances listed here are striking, especially since Bush's presidency this last couple of years must be compared to Hitler's early performance as German Chancellor, preceding the chain of events that culminated in World War II. As with Hitler, Bush's early successes in pursuit of global imperialism--whatever the cost to others--might well culminate in disaster, if not quite of the same magnitude.


Edward Jayne is a retired English professor with experience as a '60s activist.
Move On dot Org - a sophisticated means to control dissent?
The Democrats' Trojan Horse for limiting debate

A very well-documented expose of MoveOn.org:
http:///http://www.oilempire.us/moveon.html
by repost
A few of the better ads submitted in the MoveOn.org contest:
http://www.rototillerman.com/C1326782256/E1027313693/index.html
by linker
Yet another Bush-Nazi comparison, complete with historical references. (Macromedia Flash format.)

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html
by the man
how could make something like this about your presadent. you peolpe are mad should be carged with Triesen
by Dogman (dogman [at] doghouse.bone)
What's the problem? I mean.... Bush IS a Nazi. Not sure why everyone's getting all het up over this. Just put on your brown shirt and jackboots already. They'll just execute you if you don't.
Der Bush is our friend!
by V. Subhash
The comparison between Bush and Hitler may have raised a lot of hackles. But connections between the Bush family and Hitler have been chronicled in the book George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Chaitkin and Tarpley. This book received a media blackout for obvious reasons.
by Init
I saw the clip provided on this site and I have to say it's just pointless baloney. The clip delivers no connexions between hitler and bush at all. Hitler is talking about something totally different than what the subtitling suggests, and it still reads at the end "sounds familiar?", suggesting that all this had been a translation of the speech.
Who or what do you think you're gonna serve with this, I think you just wanna raise some shit. Why people expressed the great demand of wanting to see this is just because in particular Americans have a fucking fascination with Hitler, and also it might provide possibilities to explain things or just bullshit about it in an entertaining manner.
Yet America has got no Hitler, they have a Bush to deal with, face it.
And they have themselves to deal with. America and Bush is shit enough to stand, get grounded, no need to put a Hitler or some more conspiracy shit on top of it. Fight the real menace and real problems, else you ain't doing nothing but the same thing you claim to criticize by the clip, blur the eyes by spreading lies.

Regards
by free people
your fucking crazy hitler was a dicktator bush can be fired
by daBrat
What country are YOU from, being so quick to defend Mister bush? Obviously by your spelling, I would say you are a fake...a member of the bush family, if not george, yourself!
That's what OUR country is built upon...freedom. Of speech, that is until that war criminal sitting in the White House playing Chutes & Ladders takes that away from us, also!
. . . that this ad suffered from the classic MoveON.org defect: an extreme mode of advocacy devoid of any substantive content other than support for the Democratic candidate

it's one of the strangest things that I've experienced politically in many years

MoveON.org steals the rhetoric and the protest tactics of the left, while leaving the ideology behind, creating a perplexing situation where the rest of the public sees their stridence and wonders, what is it with these weird people? what are they so upset about?

and, there is really no answer, except hostility towards the President, which, by itself, is not a winning organizing strategy, as Kerry discovered

--Richard Estes
Davis, CA
by should fund gayshame
maybe they can combine messages....... oh please, god, let it happen, please.... i'm seeing number 19 on the bay bridge onramp, right about at 7th and bryant....
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