Chemtrails over the Bay Area!!!

Sites that look the way that site does immediately lose credibility. It looks like a cheap site for porn the way it's set up.

If you want people to even look at the stuff, you need to organize it in a coherent manner. Having it look like the back page of the local free newspaper doesn't help anything and discredits the people who do do work on these issues.

Also, Rense is looked down on by a lot of people, for a variety of reasons. It would be better to link to more original sources than to Rense as a main source for info on a topic.

The spreading of Chemtrails info on indymedias with glaring extremist headlines seems designed to discredit the left. Trying to make it sound like a local person has posted this when there is no actual discussion of local sightings is also rude and Clear Channelesque.

Don't post here with 'Bay Area' in your title if you aren't even here. If you have evidence, then show it. Linking to sites that look like porn sites won't gain any readership for your cause.

Chemtrail postings are often found on SC-IMC, as well.......

Chemtrails Over Santa Cruz
http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/display/6785

"The Aerosol Chemical Spray Operation over the Skies of Santa Cruz County continues to this day.

Dear Readers of Santa Cruz Indymedia,

It is important for you to know the truth..............."

Dear "Reader",

Thanks for you comments. Here is my response:

Everything you say is your subjective opinion. Please learn to differentiate your opinion with objective reality. Your opinion matters, but it is not the same as fact. Why don't you try commenting on the shocking lack of coverage of this massive issue? Why not address the fact that the left is sleeping through the deliberate spraying of the skies all over Northern California, including S.F. the entire Bay Area and beyond?

Why, my friend is there a deafening silence about the FACT that U.S. goverment air force tankers (kc135 and kc10) are illegally spraying us with chemicals, while the left goes on screaming, and rightfully so about all kinds of injustices that are happening all over the planet. Why the silence? Rather than criticize the websites cause you don't like the format, why not address the issue? HUH? It is YOU who is discrediting the information here, not me.

The reason there is no discussioin of Chemtrails locally in the Bay Area/jSF is because you all are not paying attention to what is happening in your skies. If you were, activists would be activated on the issue, because it is real and directly effects our health and rights. It is a massive issue.

I live in Santa Cruz, not S.F. but we know from emails and testamonials we get all the time, that the aerosol spray operation is definitely happening all over the Bay Area. We have a local website in Santa Cruz: http://www.chemtrails911.com and people are very aware of the issue here. San Fransisco and surrounding areas are MUCH more active politically than comfy Santa Cruzan's, but there is NO discussion of this huge topic. WHY NOT???

As far as http://www.rense.com is concerned, that site is looked up to by far more people than it is "looked down" upon. What's your point? That is an excellent site, and if you don't agree with everything that Jeff posts on there, well, that's life!

As far as "extremist headlines" is concerned, are you joking? Where is the "extemist headlines"? Give me a break! People could probably use "extemist headlines" to get their attention to what is happening in their own skies, day after day, but I certainly didn't use one.

As far as http://www.bariumblues.com is concerned, again, sorry you didn't like the lay out, but seriously, give us a break!

What about the CONTENT. Or do you need a more visually pleasing site? Or do you want it served to you on an organic platter with lots of yummy food on it? Or how do you want to recieve the message of the aerosol spray operation that is happening over your head. You tell me! In what form will you be able to digest it, and acknowledge it? How long will it take for the "left" to get over their denial about this and take action.

And what are YOU doing to alert people to this major health, environmental, and illegal threat to our lives???

Here's a couple of more good chemtrail sites:

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com

Are you going to criticize there too? Or are you going to deal with the issue now? :)

Take care! Nothing personal, but we need to wake up to this.

thanks!

I guess that sums it up. Sort of like, 'If you don't like Amurica, just leave then.'

You won't get anywhere berating people for not looking up at the chemtrails - instead, you turn them off that way when you bitch them out for it, which makes me wonder what your actual purpose is.

Someone who honestly wanted to warn people about the situation, or enlighten people might try to take the comments seriously, instead of attacking someone on the level of, 'that's your opinion and so it means nothing.'

The following from your post isn't productive:

"The majority of the clouds in our sky, are dispersed Chemtrails from earlier in the day."

It's hard enough to discuss a subject that most don't pay attention to. But sloppy language isn't productive.

consipiracy theories make all serious activists look bad. i suggest looking into the realities of vapor trails coming off the ends of jetliners.

dear bull,

thanks for proving my point. sorry to be the bringer of bad news, bull it ain bull bro.

and as for the other comments on one sentence that had an extra comma, and something about people who are doing serious acitivism.

thanks to both of you for proving my point exactly.

think about it.

if you have another way to expose the issue, do it.

eventually when you find out the truth, you will see that it is just your defense systems talking. you are cozy in your activism and don't want to have your world view rocked and hear about chemtrails. sorry. go back to countries 15,000 miles away. forget about what is happening right above your head!

unbelievable. some day you'll think back on this and say, "that dude was right" .

you should be thankful that one of your sisters has the courage to speak out on a topic that is not "popular".

you don't even know what real activism is until you have been one of the first to expose something, and people ridicule you until it becomes conventional wisdom.

go on doing what good work you are doing, but don't be asleep to your own sky.

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com

read the site, follow the links. educate, then activate.

later.


read this:



THE METHODIC DEMISE OF NATURAL EARTH
~An Environmental Impact Overview~
By Dr. R. Michael Castle


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Posted: 27 March 2004

In this century, we believe we are witnessing the gradual, purposeful demise of the Earth's Natural System. There are those who will debunk/dis-info all that is written regarding the subject of this paper: ChemTrails. What's this? ChemTrails are only a vague description, in lay-terms, of a greater theater of toxic materials being released into the atmosphere/stratosphere, for a myriad of crude and toxic agendas.

The author, Dr. R. Michael Castle, will attempt to put this Global debacle into a profile of events. Technical specificity of all the identified components would require at least a book in length, to recite them all. A short Bibliography follows, and links to various pertinent documents of unquestionable validity.

First Rule of Understanding: There are very large, winner-take-all games orchestrated by the Global Interests of the World. We have investigated, researched and found substantial evidence of a multiplicity of Global operations designed to mitigate various and theoretical Global catastrophes, as defined by a late 1980's and 1990's International Panel of Conferees. (The value of who are they, what's the politics smell like and all that is not of the utmost importance in our attempt, herein, to describe what serious destruction they have caused and are causing to Humans and our Finite Environment.1

Many of the operations we have collectively found in our investigations of this debacle have remained a secret, classified and not for general populace information or knowledge. You must answer the question, Dear Reader as to why someone would possibly deploy these Geo-weapons. Just follow the money trails. We will yield all of our voluminous data, information and all references we have used in our validation of facts surrounding this Global atrocity. The recipients of this information must be interested enough in what we are trying to expose, the Human-health risks, the Environmental risks and the plain, simple "wrongness" that prevails. We must determine first if you are provoked to really care, because the research and development of this information for a Major Media whistle-blowing expose will require passion and dedication. Our research work has spanned almost five years of....watching and discovering, with disgust, the scenarios which follow.

This is not a small task.....but the Mission is simple. Expose and Stop the Methodic Demolition of our Natural Earth and its inhabitants.


Executive Summary

Dr. Edward Teller wrote a white paper in the late 1990's describing a remedial operation, strategy, epic-in-proportion, to change the predicted course of what was believed by an International group of Scientists, including Dr. Edward Teller, Livermore National Laboratories, et al, to be the cataclysmic certainty from the results of global-warming, crisis level Ultra-Violet/Cosmic radiation, crisis Ozone-layer depletion and other theoretical doom.2 Demonstrating here, that the same mind, Dr. Edward Teller, Father H-Bomb, was responsible for many ill-conceived strategies and not one gave considerations to the consequences in the Human realm. Safety, toxicity, lethality, exposure, Environmental Impact, morality, were not words with which Dr. Teller had a high-degree of familiarity.3

These Global-Warming Mitigation Strategies, UV Mitigation and the cessation of the effects of Atmospheric Greenhouse-gases were given a commonality by Teller, et al, and this was the use of a sub-micron particulate. Barium, Aluminum, Thorium, Selenium were to be processed into a sub-micron particle dispensed from high-altitude aircraft, ionized with a specific electrical charge.4 (Chemtrails and Barium - absorption & inhalation .. see links below)5 We must surmise that ionization keeps the specific heavy metal particulate aloft for longer periods of time. This electronically charged particulate matrix might also be the perfect RF control field. Theoretically, the heavy metals would block and reflect the sunlight from entering the Earth's atmosphere and reflect 1-2% back into space. UV radiation levels would decline. Teller also recommended the use of Commercial Aircraft as-well-as-Military Aircraft to carry out the enormous and epic task of coverage to the Earth's Stratosphere. We believe that the weaponization use of these technologies has been well demonstrated for a US DOD program entitled "RF Dominance". The US Air Force VTRP and the Navy's RFMP are other military programs utilizing aerosolized heavy metal particulates, including aluminized fiberglass or chaffe are characteristic of current military operations.6

CIA-led Project Cloverleaf was one of the initial "aerosolized heavy-metal particulate" operations. Massive spraying of the upper-atmosphere/Stratosphere commenced. The U.S. DOD operations soon followed, as the US Air Force became embedded in the overall operations, strategically. The U.S. Air Force would also play significantly into the expansion of a significant Global-Warming Mitigation strategies in the form of Weather Modification and Geo-Engineering practices.7, 8

Federally Approved Contractors became involved in this massive, Global effort to save Earth from certain doom. Federal Approved Contractors, FAC's, were part of the research, Development and deployment aspects of these projects, and many of them have visited the premiere website9 (See - Visitors) FAC Academia, multi-National Corporations, U.S. Military/Industrial Complex/Corporations, became eager partners in this effort. One in particular, Hughes Aircraft Corporation of California turned research efforts towards this endeavor.

Thorium and oxides, Aluminum and Silicon carbide have been identified in a special mixture referred to generally as Welsbach Refractory Seeding Agents US Patent 5, 003,186. - March 26, 199110 This patent was assigned and awarded in 1990 to Hughes Aircraft Corporation. The Welsbach Refractory Seeding under unrestricted deployment operations began in the early 1990's over a vast area of Stratosphere above the North American Continent.11 Expanding over the entire western hemisphere, many operations were believed to have been enjoined in Ozone Depletion Mitigation Aerial operations of the US Air Force, connected to the HAARPs (High Frequency Active Aural Research Project) for Ionospheric Heating, located in Alaska ) Ozone Remediation was 1 of 3 active mission parameters for HAARPs, as defined by Dr. Bernard Eastlund, Inventor and Director of HAARPs. The Ionospheric Heating Research Facility was manned and operated by the US Air Force (Reserve) and the US Navy. HAARPs had been weaponized; therefore, all operations were and remain classified.12, 13

Weather Modification/Climate Change

HAARPs is utilized for many clandestine missions, of which Weather Modification is a fundamental objective. Microwave, ELF (Extreme Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low Frequency) and other EMR/EMF-based systems are transmitted into the atmosphere and reflected by the ionosphere, back through the Earth's Stratosphere/Atmosphere where various airborne chemical particulates, polymer filaments and other electromagnetic frequency absorbers and reflectors are used to push or pull the prevailing Jet-Streams, changing Weather patterns. (Note: Vast files of our research are available on the particulate, polymers, Microwave, ELF, VLF & EMG, etc) In many instances, Drought Inducement Technologies have been found in patented systems. Drought Inducement occurs, according to reviewed technologies by heating the Stratosphere with Microwaves, placing airborne chemical particulates in the airspace and thereby changing the base-line moisture gradients via microwaves from HAARPs and desiccating chemically with Barium Titanates, Methyl Aluminum and Potassium mixtures.13

HAARPs punches massive holes in the open-air column Ozone, electronically. This is the basis for the Ozone Remediation/Mitigation Strategies found associated with HAARPs. However, "patching" the holes in the Ozone layer has become a standard practice for US Air Force and FAC flight operations. The US Air Force has recently, 2001-2002, resorted to the utilization of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV's) technology. High-flying Stratospheric Robotic Platforms negate the manned operation factors. Robots don't complain and never talk and remain, forever, non-union. Welsbach Seeding and Ozone Hole Remediation sciences utilize chemistries that are toxic to Humans and the Environment.

Welsbach Refractory Agents use Aluminum, Thorium, Zirconium and other emissitivity-refractive metals and metals oxides. Thorium is elementally, 98% purity. The remaining 2% are identified radioactive materials. Ground-fall includes Thorium. Mid and Eastern Canada are suffering from what has been clinically identified as Thorium poisoning. There are no other base-line resources for Thorium, all from residuals of aerosolized heavy metal particulate spraying into the Stratosphere.

Alaska Flight 261

One other observation has been made regarding Welsbach refractory agents - the extreme abrasion characteristics of some of the other patented components, namely, Aluminum Oxide and Silicon Carbide. These materials are extremely high MOH's Hardness and only second in abrasativity to Diamond. These 1 micron and sub-micron dusts, upon falling through the Atmosphere, could conceivably find deposition onto a somewhat, adhesive surface, inside the working flight components of all aircraft traveling through the "grit-plume". The greases used on the Horizontal and Vertical Stabilizers, Ailerons, Flaps and Landing Gear trucks may be seriously damaged with abrasion of metals on the aircraft. A horizontal-stabilizer Jack-Screw continuously coated with these highly abrasive dusts from the Welsbach Refractory materials will cause a gradual milling of the jack-screw metals and cause complete failure, jamming the flight controls into an uncontrollable down or up attitude configuration. We believe that Alaska Airlines Flight 261 was a victim of this unforeseen circumstance. Alaska Flight 261 made daily passage through heavy grit plumes from ChemTrails operations associated with Welsbach Refractory Seeding operations, principally along the West Coast of the US, down throughout Dallas, Texas.

Other aircraft, Commercial and Military, Civilian have also suffered these flight-component failures and attributed them to sub-standard Aviation Machinist's quality. As did the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) in the Alaska Flight 261 aviation fatalities. These conclusions could not have been farther from the Truth in these matters. Collateral damage or just another consequence of ChemTrails?

Ozone-Hole Remediation - The composition most notably utilized in Ozone-hole patching is elemental Selenium and an Aromatic Hydrocarbon such as Toluene (Benzene component of Gasoline) and mixed isomers of Xylene. Sprayed from Stratospheric flying Aircraft, films of this toxic mixture fall into the area just above the Troupopause, the Ozone Layer. Ozone or triatomic Oxygen forms rapidly upon the irradiation of the Selenium and the Hydrocarbon with Ultra-Violet/Actinic sunlight. This is the identical photon/chemical reaction that causes Ozone Alert Days and is problematic. The solid-state reaction of Selenium and Ultra-violet radiation is the same as the reaction that occurs during Xerography. Copy machines generate minute amounts of Ozone when the Selenium Toners are irradiated with UV light sources.

The US/NASA TOMS (Total Ozone Mapping) Satellites have verified these Ozone Patching operations that occur principally over the northern sectors of the North American Continent. We have been studying these phenomena since the early 2000 time line.14

Ground-fall Impacts of Selenium/Aromatic Hydrocarbons - The aromatic Hydrocarbon, when ground fall occurs, (there is substantial evidence that this has repeatedly occurred in the United States and Canada) is causative of Benzene over-exposure. Carcinogenicity of Benzene is known, not suspect. Surface water pollution with Benzene is a continuous threat.

Selenium poisoning is characteristic of most heavy metals including Lead (Pb).

Weather Modification - An integral part of the US Department of Energy's (US DOE) Global-Warming/UV Mitigation/Climate Change, Strategies. Led by the US Air Force, as a distinct Geo-Weapons method, Weather Modification is occurring on a Global basis.15 This Executive Summary will be confined to ChemTrails deployment in the United States and Canada due to the expansive nature of a global theatre.

Professional independent investigators have retrieved numerous samples of soils and waters; these were analyzed and documented. Extensive testing has demonstrated the highly suspicious toxic levels of Barium and Methyl Aluminum in many areas of the United States and Canada that have no extraneous sources of these heavy-metals. The sample retrieval areas have been documented for extreme ChemTrails observation. Accompanied by verbal and written complaints to many Public Health Care Agencies, causes for the elevated levels of Barium and Aluminum found in the bloodstream were not forthcoming; just another clinical conundrum. (See Attachment - Chemtrails Pertinent Links)

Conclusions - Although this summary is only a fraction of the overall ChemTrails debacle, we encourage impartial investigators and/or credible news journalists to assess this core information and either validate or refute our findings, thus far. The entirety of the Human Health suffering and the Environmental Impacts are staggering and too voluminous to write at this time. Other aerosol-related programs will be discussed at a follow-up session. Moreover, biological materials and genetically mutated fungi used as biocontrols may even be more damaging and egregious to Humans or the Environment than chemical-based aerosolized chemical materials sprayed into the atmosphere.16

All of the chemical spraying operations have been conducted and deployed without public knowledge and not one Human Health Risk Assessment nor Environmental Impact Study has been submitted for Public and Civil scrutiny or for comments. This alone is an egregious violation of Civil, Environmental and International Laws, with respect to Treaties.

The Natural Earth's biological systems are slowly beginning to fail. Rhizobacteria-endomycorrhizae, a critical microbial organism, is slowly becoming extinct in soils due to Barium and Aluminum heavy-metal toxicities. This microbe is responsible for the transfer of nutrients from soils-matrix to the plants/trees feeder-root system. The Barium/Aluminum heavy-metal salts are alkaline, i.e. Barium Hydroxide, and are shifting the base-line pH of surface soils and waters to new highs - elevated enough that certain plant species cannot survive. According to our experts in this field, without this microbe, natural plant growth is impossible. The ChemTrails are spoiling our Infinite Natural Eco-System and no one is watching, albeit the evidence for microbial extinction events abound.

The events of the 1990's were characterized with phrases such as; "re-inventing" Commerce, Government, etc., are uniquely defined by the clandestine operations carried forth by the embedded personnel of US Agencies, in collaboration with International Alliances with subjects such as Weather Control, Food and Water Control and expansion of pharmaceuticals treating new diseases, all having direct linkage to what we have compressed into something that is called ChemTrails. Does this story interest you in the least?

We, a group of concerned individuals from around the World, numbering in the millions, are now extremely convinced that we are witnessing the methodic demise of the Natural Earth in the name of Commerce and Control, big Corporate and a hideous form of Socialism via the Military Industrial Complex. The technologies identified in ChemTrails are crude, poisonous and lethal. The bankrupt independent Farmer of the United States and Canada never knew that the Drought that had-no-end and destroyed their businesses was actually contrived. Seems though, all their properties were purchased for pennies-on-the-dollar by either International Farming interests or International Grain-Farming interests and all that is grown and harvested on these farms are genetically mutated grains and foodstuff, most likely with a Monsanto Patented Product. These farms do not take USDA Subsidies either. Well, that's good for the US Taxpayer, right? This is the emergence of the Food Weapon.

Our ultimate mission is to develop Legislation for the United States Congress to pass that will halt, prohibit and forever abate the practices of deploying, dispensing or otherwise releasing any chemical into the Atmosphere/Stratosphere of the airspace above the entire North American Continent. Such a Draft Law has been written by the Author, R. M. Castle, entitled: The Unified Atmospheric Preservation Act of 2003 (UAPA3), has been reviewed by other ChemTrails Investigators and seems to be the only method of intervention to halt these insidious methodologies. However, the US Congressman we hoped would carry our cause, tends to back off when it becomes clear that the US Government is strategically involved in many aspects of the debacle. We are not asking for this legislation to be considered, we will demand its passage. Once in force, who will then become bankrupt? We will shut down the HAARPs Electromagnetic radiation machine with UAPA3. I would be very honored if anyone would like to receive a copy of the draft legislation UAPA3, for review and/or endorsement.

Author - Dr. R. Michael Castle is an Environmental Professional whom holds a National Certification for Environmental Risk Assessment with 15 years of field practice in Environmental Risk Assessment, Investigation, Analyses and Remediation. A Polymer Chemist for 22 years prior to establishment of the Environmental Consulting and Engineering Firm, Castle Concepts Consultants, Inc., and is on the International Advisory Board of the World Natural Health Organization, (Bio of Dr. R.Michael Castle, http://www.wnho.net/bio-mcastle.htm)

Dr. Castle may be contacted at the following email address: pilot1981 [at] voyager.net

REFERENCES:


Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:
http://www.ipcc.ch

Edward Teller's "Sun Screen" Document - PDF:
http://www.rense.com/general18/scatteringEdTellerwithnotes.pdf
Edward Teller's "sun screen" document: Global Warming and Ice Ages: I. Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change, E. Teller et al., August 15, 1997, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, as PDF
Presented at: 22nd Intl. Seminar on Planetary Emergencies, Erice (Sicily), Italy


WHO IS EDWARD TELLER?:
http://tms.physics.lsa.umich.edu/214/other/news/042401HBomb.html
This is the same Dr. Edward Teller known as Father-H-Bomb. (The same person that once recommended "nuking" a prominent East Coast U.S. harbor in order to make it deeper for ships of International flags' commerce. In the Super-Port that would result, International Commerce and Trade would be exceptional; especially one that would not be a Union controlled port. None-the-less, someone nixed that idea after they reviewed the potential lethality of the residual radiation for at least 1,000 years.


BARIUM FLUORIDE OPTICAL CRYSTAL SAFETY DATA SHEET:
http://www.crystran.co.uk/baf2safe.htm

2003 Chemtrails over America (Scroll down to: RADIO FREQUENCY MISSION PLANNER):
http://lookupabove.tripod.com/chemtrailsoveramerica

[2025] Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/database/research/ay1996/acsc/96-025ag.htm
FOR EASE IN DOWNLOADING ABOVE PAPER:
PDF:Weather as a Force Multiplier - Owning the Weather 2025: http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/vol3ch15.pdf


AF2025 v3c15-1 | Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning... | (Ch 1):
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Carnicom - Aerosol Operations:
http://www.carnicom.com/conright.htm

Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming:
US Patent: 5,003,186-Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding:
Click Here

Aerosol Programs Patently Obvious:
http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/patlist.htm
AEROSOL RELATED LINKS:
http://www.aaar.org/hplinks.htm


HAARP HOME PAGE:
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp

Correspondence with Dr. Bernard Eastlund:
Space Based Weather Control: The Thunderstorm Solar Power Satellite:
http://www.borderlands.com/spacewea.htm

Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison:
PCMDI Home Page:
http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov

TOMS -- Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer:
http://toms.gsfc.nasa.gov

AIR FORCE 2025 FINAL REPORT:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025

RIZZO DM - Oak Tree Sudden Death:
http://www.plpnem.ucdavis.edu/plp/people/bio_info/Rizzo.htm

I have visited San Fransisco from the Monterey Bay a dozen times over the past year. The vast majority that happened during the day I saw Chemtrails. I saw them over every single protest, which was most of them.

Will Thomas was the one who first broke the issue in 1999. He was on Coast to Coast AM with George Norey for an hour and a half giving an update on the Spray Operation.

It's not a question of if, it's a matter of what and why?

It is certainly illegal. It is certainly NOT normal jet contrails. And they are denying it. Now would our gov't ever deny something that was really happening?

It is so shocking to hear those who call themselves "left" deny flat out that the govt would spray us with chemicals without our knowlege and deny it.

I mean, ya'll need to do a little homework!

I'm sorry, but I just went through a bunch of these lunatic articles about missles hitting the WTC and "chemtrails" and I wonder why Indybay leaves this shit up. It is shit. The government is not lacing the sky with some nefarious chemical. This is pure idiocy and it delegitimizes this website because it is not actually true.

Fact-checking every post isn't possible, but removing misinformation and blatantly paranoid rambling (that is cross-posted across the Indymedia network) seems pretty easy.

Why don't you do it?

Free Indymedia from total fucking nonsense!
For information we can use that has SOME basis is reality!

And the proof of this is?

Click here:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?O29943FE7

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C28932FE7

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1A936FE7

See also:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2003/12/1668401_comment.php#1668434

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1546410_comment.php#1546610

I know they are real as well.

But what exactly are we supposed to do about it?

Before I was properly informed, I believed in Chemtrails and watched the skies above Ocean Beach in horror! But I have to say, after talking to a chemist/friend, Col. Bob Millmann V.C 349th air mobility wing Travis AFB and a fair amount of meterology research, I realized im just looking at overcrowded air corridors. The humidity of the atmosphere is constantly changing, sometimes displaying pencil thin vapor trails, higher humidity, persistent contrails, that simple. Sometimes you can see both short and lingering trails in one shot from planes at different altitudes and times. Plus, if Barium and Aluminum compounds were really being released in the form of smoke, it would have to reach a boiling point in the wing to be visible. Face it, the Gov't are a group of lying cocksuckers who have conducted tests on Americans. That still doesnt mean such a spraying program is being conducted, unlike HAARP(High Frequency Active Auroral Program) which is a dangerous military ionosphere research program. So ignore the "harmless" CO2 emitting contrails that actually contribute to Global Warming, being written over our "liberal" California skies and get on with your lives. I guarantee you any picture, claim, or test can be debunked with a logical explanation. Including airborne Barium which actually comes from heavy industry.

Chemtrails is the stupidest thing since the Flat Earth Society. It seems like the more information there is the stupider people get

All that's needed to explain "chemtrails" completely is basic knowledge of meteorology and the physics of phase changes. The next time you notice these "chemtrails" of yours fanning out and lingering in the sky, make sure to also notice the cirrus and cirro-stratus cloud formations that ALWAYS accompany them. Cloud formation/dissipation anywhere in the atmosphere is a function of atmospheric conditions like relative humidity, pressure trends, and temperature trends. This stuff is NOT CONSTANT. When a contrail disappears rapidly, that's because the air the plane's traveling through is well above its dewpoint, so therefore the condensed steam evaporates readily ("disappears") (water, i.e. oxidized hydrogen, is the #1 combustion product formed by the burning of any HYDROcarbon, e.g. jet fuel, get it? duh drool no of course not). If that air is just barely above dewpoint, however, and is cooling down, the contrail will not evaporate, but will become the nucleus of a cloud, and as corroborating evidence of what the upper atmosphere is doing, you're going to also see cirrus and cirro-stratus throughout this same sky, mixed with hours-old contrails in various stages of expansion. Even the photos in the carnicom bullshit site document this very clearly.

If you really pay attention to contrails, as I have, you'll notice on brilliantly clear days they barely appear at all before evaporating. From here, they show a continuum of behaviors, all the way to "chemtrails." But on any given day, ALL PLANES DO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. Sometimes you can witness contrails behaving differently according to altitude. This is because an atmospheric layer is inhibiting evaporation more than those above and below it, and this is just basic to cloud phenomena in general. That is, cloud formation tends to occur as a distinct layer, because the atmosphere naturally organizes itself into level layers. check it out next time you're in a plane if you don't believe me.

I say this as a person who has no aversion to "conspiracy theories" whatsoever WHEN THEY MAKE SENSE.

Carnicom and other such sites are run by spooks laughing their guts out on a daily basis. Their bullshit is absolutely classic disinformation. You can put that shit in the bank. It makes me sick seeing people buy into this simple-minded bullshit when there are gigantic REAL problems out there that no one wants to think about. The mother of all environmental problems, for instance: ten times more people in the world than there should be. Oh, what the fuck, let's just shit out another billion.

case closed

I've since moved out of the Bay Area but prior lived in Alameda for the last four years. I run a lot and my typical course would be over the Bay Farm Island Bridge around the golf course towards OAK (airport) and back along the waterfront, just over 8 miles door to door. From the pedestrian bridge on BFI, one gets an obstructed big view over the East Bay. On two occasions over the four years I viewed a medium sized white unmarked jet doing repetitive lazy figure eights over the entire East Bay area that is repeating the figure eight flight path say 8 or 9 times. Having a decent sense of distance and altitude the plane was flying at around 4,000 feet. The cumulative repetitions created a vast wall of white particulate matter that was slowly descending to the ground in a huge sheet or wall of white matter, exactly like the verga one sees at times in the SW. The falling matter was easily 400 hundred feet in height. I thought it curious that with so much air traffic out of OAK and even across at SFO, that a plane would be flying at the altitude into OAK's airspace. Additionally I have to yet ever see a plane flying repetitive figure eights at a fairly low altitude anywhere else in my life.

Although my car is 13 years old I like to keep it clean. During my 4 years in the Meda I washed and waxed my car just about every week. Wherever I have lived I have done this with whatever auto I had at the time. I enjoy this type of work and hand rubbing carnuba into the paint until it shines gives me satisfaction. The thing is that not even with 14 hours of that polished wax job the entire car would be covered with at times a substantial amount of fine particulate matter. I mean it is was mind boggling how a dust free car could literally get covered with so much surface matter. I understand the nature of pollen and without a doubt some of it was pollen but under magnification clearly it was not all pollen. There was a lot of fine white and gritty powder. I'm sure between all the air traffic, autos and industry, the Bay produces particulate matter, but never in my life have I seen so much and so often.

Not presenting any conclusions only my personal observations. There is something wrong with Alameda imo, the air and water are horrible and after my runs it was embarrassing how much white junk would come out of my nose. It was hard to leave my friends and loved ones behind and since leaving CA. I feel so much better in every way.