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Bay Area Solidarity Demo Monday
Below is a call for a participatory demonstration for Monday, Nov. 24th to show our solidarity with the demonstrators and arrestees in Miami (related to last week's protests against the FTAA)
Several of us (literally, just several) who are coming back from Miami yesterday or today agreed to call for an
EMERGENCY RALLY/ACTION
Monday, November 24th
at the Federal Building in San Francisco,
at 12 NOON
(would someone please post the exact cross streets and side of the building? thanks!)
Affinity groups and/or performance groups that can work together today and plan something, please do so.
This is a participatory protest: bring signs, banners, poetry, solidarity, sound systems, drums. etc. etc. Be ready to move to whatever location affinity
groups choose to support their direct actions.
The repression in Miami is stiff, it's time for our solidarity to be CREATIVE and FIERCE!
Email fishe [at] igc.org for information about visuals (puppets, signs, etc) that you can help bring to the demonstration Monday morning.
This demonstration is called for in solidarity with the following proposed call to action:
Call for National day of Solidarity with the Miami 200
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You may have just returned from Miami. You may have a loved
one or friend who just returned from Miami. You may be
someone who will lose their job, culture, or way of life due
to corporate globalization. You may just be someone who cares
passionately about the self determination, in the form of the
right to petition your government for greivances.
You may have a friend or loved one who did not return from
Miami on time. There are a lot of you, over 200.
We call for an international day of solidarity, in the form
of nonviolent direct action, all over the United States, to
demand the release of those arrested in Miami protesting the
FTAA.
The police state known as America has decided to throw out
the constitution, and throw out the human rights of those
in Miami protesting their governments policies.
If you want to protect your right to peaceful assembly or
your right to free speech, or if you want to fight
corporate globalization, or if you just want to free the
people who have been imprisoned unjustly, for peacefully
working towards global justice, organize an action in your
city. The Miami police department has demonstrated that it
will not hesitate to use extreme violence against
demonstrators, including using chemical weapons on the when
they are already in custody. We have no idea what is
happening to those brave, powerful people who we love and
who are in the Miami jails.
We call for nonviolent direct actions all over the hemisphere
on Monday, November 24th, if the prisoners have not been
released by that night.
We are witnessing the loss of all our freedoms in this
country, and we cannot sit back and let a few people fight
for those freedoms alone any longer. Together we are stronger.
Stand up, and save the right to peaceful assembly, because
without this right, which has been thrown out in Miami, we
will never be able to stand together again.
Keep the spirit of the Miami FTAA resistance alive in your
community by creating creative, strong actions that reach
out and unite communities, while challenging corporate
globalization, in all its monstrous life-destroying
manifestations.
For more info, see http://www.ftaaimc.org and http://www.indybay.org
EMERGENCY RALLY/ACTION
Monday, November 24th
at the Federal Building in San Francisco,
at 12 NOON
(would someone please post the exact cross streets and side of the building? thanks!)
Affinity groups and/or performance groups that can work together today and plan something, please do so.
This is a participatory protest: bring signs, banners, poetry, solidarity, sound systems, drums. etc. etc. Be ready to move to whatever location affinity
groups choose to support their direct actions.
The repression in Miami is stiff, it's time for our solidarity to be CREATIVE and FIERCE!
Email fishe [at] igc.org for information about visuals (puppets, signs, etc) that you can help bring to the demonstration Monday morning.
This demonstration is called for in solidarity with the following proposed call to action:
Call for National day of Solidarity with the Miami 200
-------------------------------------------------------------
You may have just returned from Miami. You may have a loved
one or friend who just returned from Miami. You may be
someone who will lose their job, culture, or way of life due
to corporate globalization. You may just be someone who cares
passionately about the self determination, in the form of the
right to petition your government for greivances.
You may have a friend or loved one who did not return from
Miami on time. There are a lot of you, over 200.
We call for an international day of solidarity, in the form
of nonviolent direct action, all over the United States, to
demand the release of those arrested in Miami protesting the
FTAA.
The police state known as America has decided to throw out
the constitution, and throw out the human rights of those
in Miami protesting their governments policies.
If you want to protect your right to peaceful assembly or
your right to free speech, or if you want to fight
corporate globalization, or if you just want to free the
people who have been imprisoned unjustly, for peacefully
working towards global justice, organize an action in your
city. The Miami police department has demonstrated that it
will not hesitate to use extreme violence against
demonstrators, including using chemical weapons on the when
they are already in custody. We have no idea what is
happening to those brave, powerful people who we love and
who are in the Miami jails.
We call for nonviolent direct actions all over the hemisphere
on Monday, November 24th, if the prisoners have not been
released by that night.
We are witnessing the loss of all our freedoms in this
country, and we cannot sit back and let a few people fight
for those freedoms alone any longer. Together we are stronger.
Stand up, and save the right to peaceful assembly, because
without this right, which has been thrown out in Miami, we
will never be able to stand together again.
Keep the spirit of the Miami FTAA resistance alive in your
community by creating creative, strong actions that reach
out and unite communities, while challenging corporate
globalization, in all its monstrous life-destroying
manifestations.
For more info, see http://www.ftaaimc.org and http://www.indybay.org
For more information:
http://www.ftaaimc.org
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I agree, noon doesn't really allow working people to participate, although this way, people will be more visible than we would be at night. Maybe we can organize a write-in or call-in or something to happen in the evening. Anyone interested? Post here I guess, and we can figure it out. Miami authorities don't seem to think anyone is watching, do they?
Its another "ID the radicals" demo like may day or other last-minute "solidarity" demonstrations called where only the radical "in-the-know" people can find out about it and potentially will go, only to point out exactly who is at the core of radical organizing locally so they can all be photographed and ID'ed. i say let the attention hounds go and if you are serious, go back to work. solidarity demo should have been organized weeks ago with broad participation if it was supposed to really happen.
The person who originally posted the call to an email list I'm on had said that he was hoping people would organize a meeting for today to discuss the demo...I figured it would be a bit weird to post that part of his email-- sorry if people were put off or felt like they weren't invited to help organize. I think that the points about affinity groups planning things for tomorrow are a good idea- I would imagine that there will be a quick meeting at the beginning of the demo to discuss ideas...
I can't go, either, and would like to see something in Oakland, too...I like the area around the Oakland Federal Building better for flyering.
-Mahtin
I can't go, either, and would like to see something in Oakland, too...I like the area around the Oakland Federal Building better for flyering.
-Mahtin
look, I work too, but they should have planned it weeks in advance?? yeah, we knew what we were getting in to with miami but -torture in the jails? arrests of people doing what the cops told them to? etc etc etc...i mean, it's a last minute response to current events, and it's probably during the day so that someone will actually BE AT THE FEDERAL BUILDING! i was in miami, i was arrested, and i'm asking that all my friends and those who care come out for this because it's important. I've been to a lot of these things, including genoa, which was considered pretty hectic, and i was fucking freaked out by miami- it was the worst arrest experience i've had, which encompasses both activist and criminal experiences. furthermore, i intend to go to try to pass a hat to raise money for the large number of people still in so they can get bailed out- so please stop trying to discourage people from attending!!
Please, easy now. Nothing like a little reactionary paranoia, this is about solidarity. If they don't know who you are already, then you probably aren't very radical.
But anyway, people can only do what they can do, and being out in some show of solidarity is better than not.
But anyway, people can only do what they can do, and being out in some show of solidarity is better than not.
I'm glad someone organized this demo for tomorrow. Will all you armchair pessimist complainers just keep you fatalistic negativity to yourselves?
Contribute something positive or shut the fuck up!
The St.
Contribute something positive or shut the fuck up!
The St.
and i knew exactly what to expect. its the same at every summit demo ever. as for tkat's brilliant assertion that "they already know who you are," thats a pretty slack excuse for calling people out to a shady demo at the security-tight federal building on last minute's notice in the middle of a monday. there was plenty of time to get something together (even a "if miami goes weird, plan to protest the monday after") but that would require forethought and planning. i'm all for solidarity, but i'm not willing to join this club of people who think standing out there with 20 other people is effective or anything beyond an "id party" for the feds. solidarity should include solidarity for people who want a secure activist environment.
I think a demo tomorrow is a great idea. Its a way to get what happened in Miami into the local newspaper or even to get it onto TV. If you look around google news you will see that the little coverage police brutality in Miami has gotten has been by hometown papers covering local activists comming home wounded.
With only a days notice and little publicity the demo wont be big but it could be a press conference where noted activists talk to the media about what happened. Hopefully someone has contacted the media and has a press packet ready for them when they show up.
A larger protest later in the week would be a good idea too, but advanced notice needs to be given if the crowd is to be over a few dozen. It best to have the protests in the early evening so people can stop by on their way home from work (or try to get over to the city right after work) Some people have flexible jobs but money for legal support is needed so its not worth risking ones job by attending even this important a protest.
As antiwar.com points out about the leaked memo about spying on antiwar protests, the goal of the leak was to raise paranoia and reduce protest sizes (I dont usually agree with Justin but he makes a few good points: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j112403.html) If the FBI is spying on meetings and monitoring our email they know who we are already and not showing up at a solidarity protests isnt going to help anyone. If they are not doing that level of spying, then whats the worry? Anyone who is doing the type of activism that requires absolute secrecy probably wouldnt consider going to any protest of any size (and probably wouldnt be browsing around this site reading comments).
With only a days notice and little publicity the demo wont be big but it could be a press conference where noted activists talk to the media about what happened. Hopefully someone has contacted the media and has a press packet ready for them when they show up.
A larger protest later in the week would be a good idea too, but advanced notice needs to be given if the crowd is to be over a few dozen. It best to have the protests in the early evening so people can stop by on their way home from work (or try to get over to the city right after work) Some people have flexible jobs but money for legal support is needed so its not worth risking ones job by attending even this important a protest.
As antiwar.com points out about the leaked memo about spying on antiwar protests, the goal of the leak was to raise paranoia and reduce protest sizes (I dont usually agree with Justin but he makes a few good points: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j112403.html) If the FBI is spying on meetings and monitoring our email they know who we are already and not showing up at a solidarity protests isnt going to help anyone. If they are not doing that level of spying, then whats the worry? Anyone who is doing the type of activism that requires absolute secrecy probably wouldnt consider going to any protest of any size (and probably wouldnt be browsing around this site reading comments).
" i went to miami too..and i knew exactly what to expect"
Being paranoid about secrecy, knowing that there would be the level of repression there was in Miami, and still going doesnt exactly add up.
Things in Miami were a disaster; mass arrests, mass injuries, increased paranoia about infilitrators in the black bloc. If the response to Miami is for activists to now be afraid to even show up for a solidarity demo, the police have won even more than I thought.
Being paranoid about secrecy, knowing that there would be the level of repression there was in Miami, and still going doesnt exactly add up.
Things in Miami were a disaster; mass arrests, mass injuries, increased paranoia about infilitrators in the black bloc. If the response to Miami is for activists to now be afraid to even show up for a solidarity demo, the police have won even more than I thought.
I contacted the large organization which I am a member of which hosts conferences in Florida and sent them the link to the girl getting hit in the back, then cc'd it to jeb the moron bro, and told them I would be too afriad to attend any more conferences in Florida, suggested they look elsewhere if they want people to feel safe in that state.
Anything you can do to 'inform' the FL Chamber of Commerce will help. That state lives for tourists and conferences. A bunch of grpahics juxtaposing tourists on the beaches with the military vehicles and people bleeding would be good, then spread them on the internet, send them out to every TRAVEL org you can find. Tell them - Ask Jebbes.
Anything you can do to 'inform' the FL Chamber of Commerce will help. That state lives for tourists and conferences. A bunch of grpahics juxtaposing tourists on the beaches with the military vehicles and people bleeding would be good, then spread them on the internet, send them out to every TRAVEL org you can find. Tell them - Ask Jebbes.
Three days ago, we did the most natural thing in the world: gathered in immediate solidarity outside the jail, where we now know people were being pepper sprayed, beaten and assaulted. The principle there was that we are safer and more powerful with public solidarity than without it. Even as one of the worst responses imaginable to a jail vigil, mass arrests and other attacks, occurred, we raised the profile of our struggle, brought attention to our prisoners, and ended with thousands more seeing the justice of our cause and rebelling against the police state they saw before them.
Today, I am deeply confident that the biggest "threat" to us will be increased surveillance, surveillance we live with every time we speak out. So be it. We are stronger surveilled and speaking out than isolated at home or in jail. We are in minimum security and our comrades are facing worse than maximum security: let's be there for them.
As one of the originators of this call, I appreciate people's concerns about the time. I held off to the last reasonable minute in putting out the detailed call, hoping that there would be another planned response to the request for an action on Monday. No such luck. Indeed, many people do work the regular hours, but many also can disappear for lunch in SF, the media potential is far greater than an afternoon demo, and many of us actually work afternoon-evening shifts too.
To those who would keep organizing, and do more in solidarity later, I am with you. We have to be more than a string of actions and jail vigils. Miami has been a wake up call on our need to fight the police state more regularly and continuously, and to build many new allies before, during and after times of repression.
Until they, and we, are all free!
Today, I am deeply confident that the biggest "threat" to us will be increased surveillance, surveillance we live with every time we speak out. So be it. We are stronger surveilled and speaking out than isolated at home or in jail. We are in minimum security and our comrades are facing worse than maximum security: let's be there for them.
As one of the originators of this call, I appreciate people's concerns about the time. I held off to the last reasonable minute in putting out the detailed call, hoping that there would be another planned response to the request for an action on Monday. No such luck. Indeed, many people do work the regular hours, but many also can disappear for lunch in SF, the media potential is far greater than an afternoon demo, and many of us actually work afternoon-evening shifts too.
To those who would keep organizing, and do more in solidarity later, I am with you. We have to be more than a string of actions and jail vigils. Miami has been a wake up call on our need to fight the police state more regularly and continuously, and to build many new allies before, during and after times of repression.
Until they, and we, are all free!
are any bay area people injured from Miami?
well
how did this go?
what happened?
it was front page headline news on sf-imc, did anything happen?
how did this go?
what happened?
it was front page headline news on sf-imc, did anything happen?
I heard around 30 people showed up but there havnt been any posts about it to the site yet.
The best reason I've heard about why there wasn't a solidarity demo that was organized earlier was that people wanted the local corporate media here to cover the demos in Miami more than the local demo, and to stay on message (this was a self-criticism that some people had after Cancun).
I think that today's demo did need a bit more organization, because some tasks could have been done had people known that they needed to be done. I still regret not posting that part about the meeting.
I agree with Nessie that direct action is more effective. However, I think that today's demo was an important thing to do. The people who were in Miami witnessed and experienced a lot of horrible things, and it was important for us to support them in whatever way we could, whether by calling the Mayor or cops in Miami, or sending bail money, or giving them a local forum to tell their story here in the Bay Area. I think that we should all be really aware that people are going to need to process Miami on both personal and political levels for quite a while. Some people process things by telling you what they saw and felt on those days, some people just hold things inside, and some people get online and attack others. It might be good to have some time to view ourselves and each other as human beings, not just as soldiers in a war, for a little while.
I also want to agree that people should be called out on behaviors that are contrary to our end goals (whether they are anarchy, or stopping corporate globalization, or building a "movement" of people who can work on one issue, then another, or having one successful organization, such as Indymedia, that plays a very important role to progressive and radical movements of today). But I think it's more effective to talk about things one on one, rather than attacking people over email, or on this thread. What do you think, anarchist?
I think that today's demo did need a bit more organization, because some tasks could have been done had people known that they needed to be done. I still regret not posting that part about the meeting.
I agree with Nessie that direct action is more effective. However, I think that today's demo was an important thing to do. The people who were in Miami witnessed and experienced a lot of horrible things, and it was important for us to support them in whatever way we could, whether by calling the Mayor or cops in Miami, or sending bail money, or giving them a local forum to tell their story here in the Bay Area. I think that we should all be really aware that people are going to need to process Miami on both personal and political levels for quite a while. Some people process things by telling you what they saw and felt on those days, some people just hold things inside, and some people get online and attack others. It might be good to have some time to view ourselves and each other as human beings, not just as soldiers in a war, for a little while.
I also want to agree that people should be called out on behaviors that are contrary to our end goals (whether they are anarchy, or stopping corporate globalization, or building a "movement" of people who can work on one issue, then another, or having one successful organization, such as Indymedia, that plays a very important role to progressive and radical movements of today). But I think it's more effective to talk about things one on one, rather than attacking people over email, or on this thread. What do you think, anarchist?
... is:
1) we are soldiers in a war. that doesnt mean we always have to act like a narrow cliche of what that is, but it does mean that ultimately some things are more important than others (like common security) and people who don't stand up for that shouldnt be trusted. i dont think this demo itself counts as all that -- but i said what i think about the demo already.
2) the other stuff at the end is interesting, but what really cannot happen over email or a bbs is the kind of conversation you are attempting to have, which seems to happen face-to-face. but those dont happen without some kind of fundamental trust. if thats there, you can do that. otherwise, all you have left are 'professional' working relationships, bound by social understanding and open to be discussed on a forum like indymedia.
1) we are soldiers in a war. that doesnt mean we always have to act like a narrow cliche of what that is, but it does mean that ultimately some things are more important than others (like common security) and people who don't stand up for that shouldnt be trusted. i dont think this demo itself counts as all that -- but i said what i think about the demo already.
2) the other stuff at the end is interesting, but what really cannot happen over email or a bbs is the kind of conversation you are attempting to have, which seems to happen face-to-face. but those dont happen without some kind of fundamental trust. if thats there, you can do that. otherwise, all you have left are 'professional' working relationships, bound by social understanding and open to be discussed on a forum like indymedia.
"Tonight in San Diego, around 30-40 people showed up for a press conference and rally in front of the NBC building downtown, followed by a march to the jail and a candlelight vigil. "
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2003/11/102058.shtml
Probably the same size crowd as SF but they not only got alternative media coverage but also got mainstream media coverage. We need to get more organized in terms of getting the mainstream media to show up to events like this in SF. I cant think of any form of direct action (except for perhaps strikes) that isnt at root symbolic and the only purpose in symbolic action is to get a message out to people. For those posting criticism of protests to this thread can you name one antiwar action in the past year that activists groups have done that wasnt symbolic? (what about in the last 50 years in the US?) Even the ploughshares destruction of a British aircraft had little direct impact on the war machine. Swaying public opinion (and those in the military) is and should be our major goal.
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2003/11/102058.shtml
Probably the same size crowd as SF but they not only got alternative media coverage but also got mainstream media coverage. We need to get more organized in terms of getting the mainstream media to show up to events like this in SF. I cant think of any form of direct action (except for perhaps strikes) that isnt at root symbolic and the only purpose in symbolic action is to get a message out to people. For those posting criticism of protests to this thread can you name one antiwar action in the past year that activists groups have done that wasnt symbolic? (what about in the last 50 years in the US?) Even the ploughshares destruction of a British aircraft had little direct impact on the war machine. Swaying public opinion (and those in the military) is and should be our major goal.
>>It might be good to have some time to view ourselves and each other as human beings, not just as soldiers in a war, for a little while.
There’s no “might” about it. How we long for that glorious day when the class war is over, the evil force that occupies our planet has been driven back to hell, and we can live again like real human beings.
In the meantime, human or not, we’re behind enemy lines. We are likely to remain so for a very long time. Our struggle is protracted. The war has been going on, unabated, for at least five thousand years. It shows no sign of letting up anytime soon.
Alas.
But there it is.
There’s no “might” about it. How we long for that glorious day when the class war is over, the evil force that occupies our planet has been driven back to hell, and we can live again like real human beings.
In the meantime, human or not, we’re behind enemy lines. We are likely to remain so for a very long time. Our struggle is protracted. The war has been going on, unabated, for at least five thousand years. It shows no sign of letting up anytime soon.
Alas.
But there it is.
Anarchist, if he is who I think he is, and I do share a mutual distrust. Since he returned from Miami, he has actually increased his level of political attacks on his "enemies" within groups he works in and publicly on this website.
To expand on what I was saying last night, I can understand that he and others went through a lot of traumatizing things in the buildup to Miami and when he was there. Clearly his method of dealing with things is different than other people's, and I feel bad that he can't just talk about things instead of attacking people.
I think it's great that he has this sudden awareness of security culture, since I've been recommending that he and other people read Brian Glick's book "War at Home" for quite some time, and there are things in Anarchist's life that people he does politics with shouldn't know about. I certainly do regret the days when people told me about some of those things, and I regret that when we talked about how to deal with them, we did not arrive at a solution that would have helped him or us. I also regret our mutual loss of comradely respect and I wish that he would go away, or at least become a human being again.
To expand on what I was saying last night, I can understand that he and others went through a lot of traumatizing things in the buildup to Miami and when he was there. Clearly his method of dealing with things is different than other people's, and I feel bad that he can't just talk about things instead of attacking people.
I think it's great that he has this sudden awareness of security culture, since I've been recommending that he and other people read Brian Glick's book "War at Home" for quite some time, and there are things in Anarchist's life that people he does politics with shouldn't know about. I certainly do regret the days when people told me about some of those things, and I regret that when we talked about how to deal with them, we did not arrive at a solution that would have helped him or us. I also regret our mutual loss of comradely respect and I wish that he would go away, or at least become a human being again.
Hahaha, jesus. Whatever you think you know is inflated and distorted by the most dangerous rumor mill I have ever seen in my life. If I am who you think I am, I know that I havent seen you or almost anyone else over there in over 7-8 months at least, much longer on any kind of a social interaction level, and all that's left are the literally insane and psychotic rumors that get back around here and there. I spoke with someone just the other day who gave me a rundown on some of the more hilarious rumors --- hilarious if they weren't so threatening considering the environment we work in. So, while you pine away for my "return to humanity," I will occasionally hope that you break out of the insular, in-bred rumor/gossip hell and return to the rest of us in the real world where assumptions and 3rd-hand gossip aren't fact. Alternatively, you could do what any person with actual integrity does which is go to the source on your gossip, get another side of a story, etc before repeating it as far and wide as you can. If I am who you think I am, you know my phone number. Otherwise, quit acting like you know anything besides bullshit. If I'm not who you think I am, then this is a pretty silly conversation.
Well, with a situation like Nessie's story, there is really little precaution you could take against a police officer who people had known since kindergarten as a friend who moves into your house as an undercover. I think that anyone with above average social skills could mimic the dress and language of their target group, so you'd have to be a paranoid in order to identify the police, who ends up mistaking lots of regular folks in the process.
Generally, people should be security conscious, but because anyone who ends up doing jail time for something like throwing a rock?? which apparently is why Rob Thaxton is in jail, is really too much for anyone to suffer for a cause where there are alternatives.
But rather than poking the newcomings and naive for their babbly traits, it should be the case that any real secrets should never leave your affinity group of three, and then everyone can fit into a larger community of more open dialogue that everyone knows will include newcomers and curious police officers (see the photo in Berkeley copwatch's latest publication where they have a picture of a Berkeley police at a ordinary student group meeting). Everyone should just design their events around the presence of these people - and I think San Francisco has done this rather well this year.
Generally, people should be security conscious, but because anyone who ends up doing jail time for something like throwing a rock?? which apparently is why Rob Thaxton is in jail, is really too much for anyone to suffer for a cause where there are alternatives.
But rather than poking the newcomings and naive for their babbly traits, it should be the case that any real secrets should never leave your affinity group of three, and then everyone can fit into a larger community of more open dialogue that everyone knows will include newcomers and curious police officers (see the photo in Berkeley copwatch's latest publication where they have a picture of a Berkeley police at a ordinary student group meeting). Everyone should just design their events around the presence of these people - and I think San Francisco has done this rather well this year.
In one respect, yes, all demos are a waste of time in terms of stopping the event they want to stop.
In about 20 other respects, no, they are not at all a waste of time.
Ritual exists for a reason.
It *is* important to make it clear that protests are not designed to stop wars - allowing the rightwing and the centrists to use that as a reason to show the left is powerless is nonsense. Protests exist for many reasons, and if we thought they could stop wars this would be different world.
For me, being in the streets with 80,000 + people, feeling that power, that connection, that community, that taking back of the street, was like an engine that powers me for long after. It's extremely inspiring to see and feel and know in the flesh that we are not alone and that together, we are huge.
In about 20 other respects, no, they are not at all a waste of time.
Ritual exists for a reason.
It *is* important to make it clear that protests are not designed to stop wars - allowing the rightwing and the centrists to use that as a reason to show the left is powerless is nonsense. Protests exist for many reasons, and if we thought they could stop wars this would be different world.
For me, being in the streets with 80,000 + people, feeling that power, that connection, that community, that taking back of the street, was like an engine that powers me for long after. It's extremely inspiring to see and feel and know in the flesh that we are not alone and that together, we are huge.
well, there's not really much to report. when i was there there were about 30-35 people. after a megaphone was acquired, people who'd been to miami spoke about their experiences. we were at the corner of larkin and golden gate(?) and were almost drowned out by a protest by SEIU security guards (!) down the block who banged pots and pans outside the state building.
i, too, was a bit bummed it was at noon but as i work within walking distance i was able to make it. but i was glad someone at least made the call to do it and put some work into it. you know, we can bitch and moan about how "this should've been organized earlier" (maybe, maybe not, since it was a solidarity demo, and who knew what would happen in miami - i predicted the policing would be kind of like new york for the WEF, where there were just so fucking many of them, and i figured they'd be harsh but fucking sexual abuse?! what the fuck!?), or, to get back to my point, we can think about what we each can contribute this time or next time and how we can do this better, rather than pick at each other.
and speaking of picking at each other - can we all please leave our drama off of this forum? uh, all of us, ok? i see little provocative jabs at people (a specific person?) earlier in the postings, then what seems like a response later that tells me way too much in very vague terms.... seriously. we don't have to worry at all about police spying on us because all they have to do is look at this public site.
i, too, was a bit bummed it was at noon but as i work within walking distance i was able to make it. but i was glad someone at least made the call to do it and put some work into it. you know, we can bitch and moan about how "this should've been organized earlier" (maybe, maybe not, since it was a solidarity demo, and who knew what would happen in miami - i predicted the policing would be kind of like new york for the WEF, where there were just so fucking many of them, and i figured they'd be harsh but fucking sexual abuse?! what the fuck!?), or, to get back to my point, we can think about what we each can contribute this time or next time and how we can do this better, rather than pick at each other.
and speaking of picking at each other - can we all please leave our drama off of this forum? uh, all of us, ok? i see little provocative jabs at people (a specific person?) earlier in the postings, then what seems like a response later that tells me way too much in very vague terms.... seriously. we don't have to worry at all about police spying on us because all they have to do is look at this public site.
well, there's not really much to report. when i was there there were about 30-35 people. after a megaphone was acquired, people who'd been to miami spoke about their experiences. we were at the corner of larkin and golden gate(?) and were almost drowned out by a protest by SEIU security guards (!) down the block who banged pots and pans outside the state building.
i, too, was a bit bummed it was at noon but as i work within walking distance i was able to make it. but i was glad someone at least made the call to do it and put some work into it. you know, we can bitch and moan about how "this should've been organized earlier" (maybe, maybe not, since it was a solidarity demo, and who knew what would happen in miami - i predicted the policing would be kind of like new york for the WEF, where there were just so fucking many of them, and i figured they'd be harsh but fucking sexual abuse?! what the fuck!?), or, to get back to my point, we can think about what we each can contribute this time or next time and how we can do this better, rather than pick at each other.
and speaking of picking at each other - can we all please leave our drama off of this forum? uh, all of us, ok? i see little provocative jabs at people (a specific person?) earlier in the postings, then what seems like a response later that tells me way too much in very vague terms.... seriously. we don't have to worry at all about police spying on us because all they have to do is look at this public site.
i, too, was a bit bummed it was at noon but as i work within walking distance i was able to make it. but i was glad someone at least made the call to do it and put some work into it. you know, we can bitch and moan about how "this should've been organized earlier" (maybe, maybe not, since it was a solidarity demo, and who knew what would happen in miami - i predicted the policing would be kind of like new york for the WEF, where there were just so fucking many of them, and i figured they'd be harsh but fucking sexual abuse?! what the fuck!?), or, to get back to my point, we can think about what we each can contribute this time or next time and how we can do this better, rather than pick at each other.
and speaking of picking at each other - can we all please leave our drama off of this forum? uh, all of us, ok? i see little provocative jabs at people (a specific person?) earlier in the postings, then what seems like a response later that tells me way too much in very vague terms.... seriously. we don't have to worry at all about police spying on us because all they have to do is look at this public site.
I notice the gossip conversation quickly ended when the gossiper was asked to get more facts or do something besides promote division online or in email. I guess factionalizing, rumor-mongering, and high school social games is preferable to acting like an adult.
Just listening in, but I cant help to notice how obnoxious and divise everyone on here is acting.
Anarchist just said something about promoting "division", but then goes into a horrible attack on the person he is accusing of promoting division.
What do you guess that the person he's attacking will now attack back and we will have a nice ugly divisive thread on here for weeks to come.
I'd strongly encourage the person he is attacking to not respond. The only way to stop this ping-pong game of personal attacks is for one of the people to not get in the last word (which may make you feel like you lost the argument but trust me to outsiders you both look bad and the person who gets in the last word just looks like the bigger jerk)
Anarchist just said something about promoting "division", but then goes into a horrible attack on the person he is accusing of promoting division.
What do you guess that the person he's attacking will now attack back and we will have a nice ugly divisive thread on here for weeks to come.
I'd strongly encourage the person he is attacking to not respond. The only way to stop this ping-pong game of personal attacks is for one of the people to not get in the last word (which may make you feel like you lost the argument but trust me to outsiders you both look bad and the person who gets in the last word just looks like the bigger jerk)
i know people are in a bad mood, being stuck at home online with no place to go for Thanksgiving but divisive posts stay around for awhile so its best to think before you type. Drinking and posting can be just as dangerous as drinking and driving.
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