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Gambling with 2004 vote is a Green thumbs-down
In an August essay in Z Magazine, Michael Albert wrote: "One post-election result we want is Bush retired." This is not about the Greens' repentance for the last presidential election, but strategic thinking for the next one.
Green thumbs-down
Don't gamble with your vote in 2004
Norman Solomon, grist magazine, 10.23.03
Activists have plenty of good reasons to challenge the Democratic Party operatives who focus on election strategy while routinely betraying progressive ideals. Unfortunately, the national Green Party now shows appreciable signs of the reverse problem -- focusing on admirable ideals without plausible strategy. If Ralph Nader runs for president next year, as now appears quite likely, this recurring exercise would amount to a Green Party crutch that, ironically, could do more to hobble the party than help it.
It's impossible to know whether the vote margin between Bush and his Democratic challenger will be narrow or wide in November 2004. I've never heard a credible argument that a Nader campaign might help to defeat Bush next year. A Nader campaign might have no significant effect on Bush's chances -- or it could help Bush win. With so much at stake, do we really want to roll the dice this way?
We're told that another Nader campaign will help build the Green Party. But Nader's prospects of coming near his nationwide 2000 vote total of almost 2.9 million are slim. Much more probable (given the widespread eagerness to prevent a second term for Bush) is that a 2004 campaign would win far fewer votes -- hardly the sign of a thriving party.
It appears to me that the entire project of running a Green presidential candidate in 2004 is counterproductive. Some faithful will be energized, with a number of predictably uplifting "super rallies" along the way, but many past and potential Green voters are likely to consciously turn away. Such a campaign will generate much alienation and bitterness from natural constituencies.
Green organizers often insist that another presidential run is necessary so that the party can energize itself and stay on the ballot in various states. But it would be much better to find other ways to retain ballot access while running stronger Green campaigns in selected local races. I don't believe that a Green Party presidential campaign in 2004 will help build a viable political alternative from below.
Coalition Forces
Some activists contend that the Greens will maintain leverage over the Democratic Party by conveying a firm intention to run a presidential candidate. I think that's basically an illusion. The prospect of a Green presidential campaign is having very little effect on the Democratic nomination contest, and there's no reason to expect that to change. The Democrats are almost certain to nominate a "moderate" corporate flack (in which category Howard Dean should be included).
A few years ago, Nader and some others articulated the theory that throwing a scare into the Democrats would move them in a more progressive direction. That theory was disproved after November 2000. As a whole, congressional Democrats have not become more progressive since then.
There has been a disturbing tendency among some Greens to conflate the Democratic and Republican parties. Yes, the agendas of the two major parties overlap. But they also diverge. And in some important respects, any of the Democratic presidential contenders (with the exception of Joe Lieberman, whose nomination appears to be quite unlikely) would clearly be better than Bush. For the left to be "above the fray" would be a big mistake. It should be a matter of great concern -- not indifference or mild interest -- as to whether the Bush gang returns to power for four more years.
One of the great under-reported stories of the Bush administration has been its numerous assaults on environmental protection. Of course, during the previous eight years, the White House often deserved condemnation and outspoken opposition for betraying the environment. But if we compare the ecological records of the Clinton and Bush regimes, do we really want to pretend that there is no significant difference between the two?
I'm not suggesting that progressives should mute their voices about issues. The imperative remains to keep speaking out and organizing. As Martin Luther King, Jr., said in 1967: "When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism, and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered." We should continue to denounce all destructive policies and proposals, whether they are promoted by Republicans or Democrats.
At the same time, we should not gloss over the reality that the Bush team has neared some elements of fascism in its day-to-day operations -- and forces inside the Bush administration would be well-positioned to move it even farther to the right after a victory in 2004. We don't want to find out how fascistic a second term of Bush's presidency could become. The current dire circumstances should bring us up short and cause us to reevaluate approaches to '04. Progressives have a responsibility to contribute toward a broad coalition to defeat Bush next year.
Unsafe and Unsound
There are some Green Party proposals for a "safe states" strategy, with the party's presidential nominee concentrating on states that seem sure to go either to Bush or to the Democrat. But it's not always clear whether a state is "safe." (For instance, how about California, long viewed as a lock for the Democrats? In the Oct. 7 recall election, the two top Republican candidates gained 61 percent of the statewide vote.) The very act of a Green campaign focusing on some "safe states" might render a few of those states more susceptible to a Bush upset win.
Moreover, presidential campaigns are largely nationwide. In 2000, despite unfair exclusion from the debates and the vast majority of campaign news coverage, Nader did appear on national radio and TV to a significant extent. And of course, more than ever, the Internet is teeming with progressive websites, listservs, and email campaigns. It doesn't seem very practical to run as a national candidate while effectively urging people in some states not to vote for you when they see your name on the ballot -- even if the candidate is inclined toward such a strategy.
And that's a big "if." For all its talk of democratic accountability, the Green Party accepts the old-fashioned notion that a candidate, once nominated, decides how and where to campaign. It's ironic that the party is likely to end up with a presidential candidate who will decide exactly how to conduct the campaign, with no built-in post-nomination accountability to any constituency or group decision-making. Kind of sounds like the major parties in that respect; choose the candidate and the candidate calls the shots from that point forward.
No doubt, too many Democratic Party officials have been arrogant toward Green Party supporters. "Democrats have to face reality and understand that if they move too far to the right, millions of voters will defect or vote for third-party candidates," Tom Hayden has pointed out. "Democrats have to swallow hard and accept the right of the Green Party and Ralph Nader to exist and compete." At the same time, Hayden added cogently, "Nader and the Greens need a reality check. The notion that the two major parties are somehow identical may be a rationale for building a third party, but it insults the intelligence of millions of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, environmentalists, and trade unionists who can't afford the indulgence of Republican rule."
The Bush presidency is not a garden-variety Republican administration. By unleashing its policies in this country and elsewhere in the world, the Bush crew has greatly raised the stakes of the next election. The incumbent regime's blend of extreme militarism and repressive domestic policy should cause the left to take responsibility for helping to oust this far-right administration -- rather than deferring to dubious scenarios for Green party-building.
In an August essay in Z Magazine, Michael Albert wrote: "One post-election result we want is Bush retired. However bad his replacement may turn out, replacing Bush will improve the subsequent mood of the world and its prospects of survival. Bush represents not the whole ruling class and political elite, but a pretty small sector of it. That sector, however, is trying to reorder events so that the world is run as a U.S. empire, and so that social programs and relations that have been won over the past century in the U.S. are rolled back as well. What these parallel international and domestic aims have in common is to further enrich and empower the already super-rich and super-powerful."
Looking past the election, Albert is also on target: "We want to have whatever administration is in power after Election Day saddled by a fired-up movement of opposition that is not content with merely slowing Armageddon, but that instead seeks innovative and aggressive social gains. We want a post-election movement to have more awareness, more hope, more infrastructure, and better organization by virtue of the approach it takes to the election process."
I'm skeptical that the Green Party's leadership is open to rigorously pursuing a thoroughgoing safe-states approach along the lines that Albert has suggested in his essay. Few of the prominent Green organizers seem sufficiently flexible. For instance, one Green Party leader who advocates "a Strategic States Plan" for 2004 has gone only so far as to say that "most" of the party's resources should be focused on states "where the Electoral College votes are not 'in play.'" Generally the proposals coming from inside the Green Party seem equivocal, indicating that most party leaders are unwilling to really let go of traditional notions of running a national presidential campaign.
I'm a green. But these days, in the battle for the presidency, I'm not a Green. Here in the United States, the Green Party is dealing with an electoral structure that's very different from the parliamentary systems that have provided fertile ground for Green parties in Europe. We're up against the winner-take-all U.S. electoral system. Yes, there are efforts to implement "instant runoff voting," but those efforts will not transform the electoral landscape in this decade. And we should focus on this decade precisely because it will lead the way to the next ones.
Nader has been a brilliant and inspirational progressive for several decades. I supported his presidential campaigns in 1996 and 2000. But if he runs again in 2004, I will not. This is not about repentance for the last presidential election, but strategic thinking for the next one. Norman Solomon is coauthor of "Target Iraq: What the News Media Didn't Tell You." He writes the weekly Media Beat column.
Don't gamble with your vote in 2004
Norman Solomon, grist magazine, 10.23.03
Activists have plenty of good reasons to challenge the Democratic Party operatives who focus on election strategy while routinely betraying progressive ideals. Unfortunately, the national Green Party now shows appreciable signs of the reverse problem -- focusing on admirable ideals without plausible strategy. If Ralph Nader runs for president next year, as now appears quite likely, this recurring exercise would amount to a Green Party crutch that, ironically, could do more to hobble the party than help it.
It's impossible to know whether the vote margin between Bush and his Democratic challenger will be narrow or wide in November 2004. I've never heard a credible argument that a Nader campaign might help to defeat Bush next year. A Nader campaign might have no significant effect on Bush's chances -- or it could help Bush win. With so much at stake, do we really want to roll the dice this way?
We're told that another Nader campaign will help build the Green Party. But Nader's prospects of coming near his nationwide 2000 vote total of almost 2.9 million are slim. Much more probable (given the widespread eagerness to prevent a second term for Bush) is that a 2004 campaign would win far fewer votes -- hardly the sign of a thriving party.
It appears to me that the entire project of running a Green presidential candidate in 2004 is counterproductive. Some faithful will be energized, with a number of predictably uplifting "super rallies" along the way, but many past and potential Green voters are likely to consciously turn away. Such a campaign will generate much alienation and bitterness from natural constituencies.
Green organizers often insist that another presidential run is necessary so that the party can energize itself and stay on the ballot in various states. But it would be much better to find other ways to retain ballot access while running stronger Green campaigns in selected local races. I don't believe that a Green Party presidential campaign in 2004 will help build a viable political alternative from below.
Coalition Forces
Some activists contend that the Greens will maintain leverage over the Democratic Party by conveying a firm intention to run a presidential candidate. I think that's basically an illusion. The prospect of a Green presidential campaign is having very little effect on the Democratic nomination contest, and there's no reason to expect that to change. The Democrats are almost certain to nominate a "moderate" corporate flack (in which category Howard Dean should be included).
A few years ago, Nader and some others articulated the theory that throwing a scare into the Democrats would move them in a more progressive direction. That theory was disproved after November 2000. As a whole, congressional Democrats have not become more progressive since then.
There has been a disturbing tendency among some Greens to conflate the Democratic and Republican parties. Yes, the agendas of the two major parties overlap. But they also diverge. And in some important respects, any of the Democratic presidential contenders (with the exception of Joe Lieberman, whose nomination appears to be quite unlikely) would clearly be better than Bush. For the left to be "above the fray" would be a big mistake. It should be a matter of great concern -- not indifference or mild interest -- as to whether the Bush gang returns to power for four more years.
One of the great under-reported stories of the Bush administration has been its numerous assaults on environmental protection. Of course, during the previous eight years, the White House often deserved condemnation and outspoken opposition for betraying the environment. But if we compare the ecological records of the Clinton and Bush regimes, do we really want to pretend that there is no significant difference between the two?
I'm not suggesting that progressives should mute their voices about issues. The imperative remains to keep speaking out and organizing. As Martin Luther King, Jr., said in 1967: "When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism, and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered." We should continue to denounce all destructive policies and proposals, whether they are promoted by Republicans or Democrats.
At the same time, we should not gloss over the reality that the Bush team has neared some elements of fascism in its day-to-day operations -- and forces inside the Bush administration would be well-positioned to move it even farther to the right after a victory in 2004. We don't want to find out how fascistic a second term of Bush's presidency could become. The current dire circumstances should bring us up short and cause us to reevaluate approaches to '04. Progressives have a responsibility to contribute toward a broad coalition to defeat Bush next year.
Unsafe and Unsound
There are some Green Party proposals for a "safe states" strategy, with the party's presidential nominee concentrating on states that seem sure to go either to Bush or to the Democrat. But it's not always clear whether a state is "safe." (For instance, how about California, long viewed as a lock for the Democrats? In the Oct. 7 recall election, the two top Republican candidates gained 61 percent of the statewide vote.) The very act of a Green campaign focusing on some "safe states" might render a few of those states more susceptible to a Bush upset win.
Moreover, presidential campaigns are largely nationwide. In 2000, despite unfair exclusion from the debates and the vast majority of campaign news coverage, Nader did appear on national radio and TV to a significant extent. And of course, more than ever, the Internet is teeming with progressive websites, listservs, and email campaigns. It doesn't seem very practical to run as a national candidate while effectively urging people in some states not to vote for you when they see your name on the ballot -- even if the candidate is inclined toward such a strategy.
And that's a big "if." For all its talk of democratic accountability, the Green Party accepts the old-fashioned notion that a candidate, once nominated, decides how and where to campaign. It's ironic that the party is likely to end up with a presidential candidate who will decide exactly how to conduct the campaign, with no built-in post-nomination accountability to any constituency or group decision-making. Kind of sounds like the major parties in that respect; choose the candidate and the candidate calls the shots from that point forward.
No doubt, too many Democratic Party officials have been arrogant toward Green Party supporters. "Democrats have to face reality and understand that if they move too far to the right, millions of voters will defect or vote for third-party candidates," Tom Hayden has pointed out. "Democrats have to swallow hard and accept the right of the Green Party and Ralph Nader to exist and compete." At the same time, Hayden added cogently, "Nader and the Greens need a reality check. The notion that the two major parties are somehow identical may be a rationale for building a third party, but it insults the intelligence of millions of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, environmentalists, and trade unionists who can't afford the indulgence of Republican rule."
The Bush presidency is not a garden-variety Republican administration. By unleashing its policies in this country and elsewhere in the world, the Bush crew has greatly raised the stakes of the next election. The incumbent regime's blend of extreme militarism and repressive domestic policy should cause the left to take responsibility for helping to oust this far-right administration -- rather than deferring to dubious scenarios for Green party-building.
In an August essay in Z Magazine, Michael Albert wrote: "One post-election result we want is Bush retired. However bad his replacement may turn out, replacing Bush will improve the subsequent mood of the world and its prospects of survival. Bush represents not the whole ruling class and political elite, but a pretty small sector of it. That sector, however, is trying to reorder events so that the world is run as a U.S. empire, and so that social programs and relations that have been won over the past century in the U.S. are rolled back as well. What these parallel international and domestic aims have in common is to further enrich and empower the already super-rich and super-powerful."
Looking past the election, Albert is also on target: "We want to have whatever administration is in power after Election Day saddled by a fired-up movement of opposition that is not content with merely slowing Armageddon, but that instead seeks innovative and aggressive social gains. We want a post-election movement to have more awareness, more hope, more infrastructure, and better organization by virtue of the approach it takes to the election process."
I'm skeptical that the Green Party's leadership is open to rigorously pursuing a thoroughgoing safe-states approach along the lines that Albert has suggested in his essay. Few of the prominent Green organizers seem sufficiently flexible. For instance, one Green Party leader who advocates "a Strategic States Plan" for 2004 has gone only so far as to say that "most" of the party's resources should be focused on states "where the Electoral College votes are not 'in play.'" Generally the proposals coming from inside the Green Party seem equivocal, indicating that most party leaders are unwilling to really let go of traditional notions of running a national presidential campaign.
I'm a green. But these days, in the battle for the presidency, I'm not a Green. Here in the United States, the Green Party is dealing with an electoral structure that's very different from the parliamentary systems that have provided fertile ground for Green parties in Europe. We're up against the winner-take-all U.S. electoral system. Yes, there are efforts to implement "instant runoff voting," but those efforts will not transform the electoral landscape in this decade. And we should focus on this decade precisely because it will lead the way to the next ones.
Nader has been a brilliant and inspirational progressive for several decades. I supported his presidential campaigns in 1996 and 2000. But if he runs again in 2004, I will not. This is not about repentance for the last presidential election, but strategic thinking for the next one. Norman Solomon is coauthor of "Target Iraq: What the News Media Didn't Tell You." He writes the weekly Media Beat column.
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Solomon is on a one-man crusade to try to control the agenda of this election which he has no impact on in the long run. He should leave the Greens alone.
I emphathize with their problem: non-profits and NGOs like FAIR and Global Exchange lose contributions from liberal Democratic donors if they support a Green challenge
but, it seems to me that they are being extremely myopic
Bush and Sharon are already targeting Syria and Lebanon for the next war, and the Democrats are facilitating it through the passage of the Syria Accountability Act
Bush can launch a variety of military attacks upon Syria (bombings, special forces raids, invasion by ground forces), depending upon which one, from a risk/reward standpoint is ideal, whenever he is poltically in trouble next year
and the Democrats are going to support it, just as the Democrats support the apartheid wall, the settlements and any action by Sharon, and stand ready to criticize Bush from the right if he puts any pressure on Israel at all
where will this leave people like Norm and Medea?
completely exposed, embarassed and humiliated, as they urge us to vote for Clark, Dean, Lieberman or whomever from the Democrats pro-war chorus is anointed to challenge Bush
Medea prefaced her remarks by saying that "I am a Green . . . but . . . "
My question is, if you are going to urge us to vote for a pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-occupation Democrat: WHY?
I'm a green. But these days, in the battle for the
presidency, I'm not a Green. Here in the United
States, the Green Party is dealing with an
electoral structure that's very different from the
parliamentary systems that have provided fertile
ground for Green parties in Europe.
We're up against the winner-take-all U.S.
electoral system. Yes, there are efforts to
implement "instant runoff voting," but those
efforts will not transform the electoral landscape
in this decade. And we should focus on this
decade precisely because it will lead the way
to the next ones.
Second, Norman is a well-respected Progressive, having been published on ZNet, the Progressive, AlterNet, CommonDreams, and freespeech.org, to name just a few. From his bio...
Norman Solomon's
ZNet HomePage
Norman Solomon is a nationally syndicated
columnist on media and politics. His eight
books include Unreliable Sources (co-authored
with Martin A. Lee), The Power of Babble,
False Hope: The Politics of Illusion in the
Clinton Era, Wizards of Media Oz (co-authored
with Jeff Cohen) and The Trouble With Dilbert:
How Corporate Culture Gets the Last Laugh.
His commentary articles on media issues
have appeared ina wide range of publications
including the Boston Globe, New York Times,
Washington Post, Los Angeles Times,
International Herald Tribune, the National
Catholic Reporter, Z Magazine and
The Progressive.
He is an associate of the media watch group
FAIR and the executive director of the Institute
for Public Accuracy, a new nationwide
consortium of public-policy experts challenging
media distortions from major think tanks.
just join up w/MoveON.org, and admit that you are liberal Democrats, part of a disempowered group within the Democratic Party, that will continue to organize support for Democratic candidates that support odious policies that, hopefully, will be not as odious as Bush's
and, hope that, maybe someday, the Greens and anarchists and direct action lock down activists that remain will be sufficiently successfully in mobilizing public opinion to enable you and your liberal Democratic friends to eventually marginalize the Democratic Leadership Council right wingers that run the national Democratic Party
if Medea and Norm try to straddle between liberal Democrats, Greens and direct action activists, they will fall off the wall like Humpty Dumpty, with a similar outcome
none of what you posted addresses the potential for public humiliation that Norm and Medea will face when they urge people to vote for the Hubert Humphrey of 2004, in the face of bombing attacks upon Syria and even more escalated killings of Palestinians by Israel (don't think it can worse, just watch, especially with religious fundamentalists, Republicans and the Democrats supporting anything that Bush and Sharon decide to do)
there is something very ominous happening here, and it is the substitution of the politics of personality for the politics of organization and mass movements
the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and Iraq are not going to stop because Bush is replaced, nor will the expansion of the American military presence around the world and associated threats against other countries
seems to me that Medea and Norm have pessimistically decided that bipartisan elite support for Israel, against Arab self-determination and for continued colonization for economic and military advantage around the world isn't going to end soon
I recognize their dilemma, I respect them and the work that they do (Occupation Watch (Iraq) and FAIR are valuable organizations, and we'd suffer in their absence), and maybe, I'd make the same decision given the competing pressures they face, but they fail to recognize that supporting the lesser evil, and accepting the crumbs off the plate of the Democratic Party, will only impair the ability to organize opposition to it
if we are against the war, the occupation (in Palestine and Iraq), against corporate exploitation through globalization, then we must hold everyone to the same standard, otherwise, we lose credibility, and lose the ability to mobilize public support for our views
for example, why would anyone undertake the effort to campaign statewide or nationally as a candidate against these policies when you know that people like Joan Blades of MoveON.org, Medea and Norm are going to step to the front of the line to criticize you?
just look at what happened with Code Pink and their efforts to challenge the Terminator for his sexual abuse; it fell flat because people on the left had not only already given Clinton a free pass for similar behaviour, but, in some instances, actually trashed the integrity of the victims
it's scary, because there are people out there who are being led to believe that the most important way to resist the war and the occupation is to replace Bush with a Democrat, and this is just flat out WRONG
instead, they should be using their time mobilizing people at the grassroots level to express opposition in every way possible from vigils, to letters to the editor, to marches, to direct action civil disobedience
only then will politicians of any kind start to come out against them, for example, it is been reported that rural America is suffering the dispropotionate number of casualties, and, it is therefore no coincidence that right wing Republicans like Chuck Hagel and Larry Craig, among others, are beginning to express more opposition that mainstream Democrats
right now, with fraudulent candidates like Howard Dean and Wesley Clark cannibalizing the energy of the antiwar movement, it is any wonder that the movement, with the exception of the families and friends of reservists, has become flaccid?
The Libertarian Party has never been able to pull more than 2% of the electorate during a national election, yet its ideological practioners are Republican Party regulars -- like Ron Paul and his Republican Liberty Caucus, for instance.
So why did a guy like Ron Paul, the Libertarian Party's Presidential candidate in 1988, "sell out" to the Republicans? Perhaps the better question is, "why do so many libertarians champion Ron Paul as their leader whilst he is a GOP member?"
Libertarians have made their compromises, and 50-some years of history shows that they have been more effective when working from the inside-out rather than the outside-in.
I think that's a very good lesson for the pragmatic Green candidates (present and future) to learn. Maybe there is an opportunity to start a Democratic-Green Caucus . . .
Personally, I would love to see the Green Party every-bit-the-equal to the two mainstays. But given that choice in 2004 will be between Bush with his "War Against Terra-Firma" and a compromise Democrat, I'll pick the Donkey over the Jack-ass every time.
it's why people like Medea and Norm are risking an enormous loss of credibility for themselves and their organizations, which really do serve an irreplaceable need for advocacy and information on the left, by urging that people support a Democratic candidate for President as an unquestioned scientific principle, without even knowing the candidate, his political history and his positions
as a result, by supporting the Democrats in this way, they, and unfortunately, a lot of us, lose any leverage in getting the Democrats to address our issues, which they already have little incentive to do
with Medea and Norm on board, the Democrats now mistakenly believe that, with the peaceniks and lefties on board, they can go back to what they do best: groveling before AIPAC and the DLC
by the end of next year, Global Exchange, Code Pink and FAIR run the serious risk of urging people to vote for someone who strongly supports the bombing of Syria and the continued occupation of Iraq
if that happens, good luck, maybe 10 people will show up to their events afterwards, because even if they say they are green, independent, whatever, the word will be out, they are liberal Democrats who will do whatever the party establishment says needs to be done, no one will say a word, they just won't come . . . and then Global Exchange becomes, for all practical purposes, something akin to an international branch of the Sierra Club.
and, it's sad, because Medea and Norm aren't snakes or quislings, they are well-meaning people who have personally sacrificed for critical, unpopular issues, and, by next year, there is going to be a major groundswell of opposition to the war and the occupation, but the neo-conservatives don't need to worry, they have both parties in their pockets, with a defanged peace movement
unless, of course, some guy/gal with a huge amount of money in the bank from the dot.com boom decides to run as a cyberlibertarian peacenik candidate . . . . . . .and then, oh dear, can't you just hear the frantic cellphone calls: "Joan and Medea, what do we do now???"
Think about it -- politics is always about compromise. There are three hundred million people, represented by tens of thousands of officials at the local, state, and federal levels. No one group -- no matter how powerful -- can have their way without making concessions.
Americans often do not look at things in the long term, and yet the Green movement will only find success in decades to come; the Neo-cons are living proof that methodical planning does pay-off .
So like the libertarians, I say it's better to get some of your agenda fulfilled than none -- or to frame it in the big picture -- Life on Earth is just too important to let it slip away by acting like a spoiled brat and throwing a temper tantrum because we can't elect a Progressive/Green President and a majority of Congress by the next election.
Don't let the Democrats frighten you away from voting your conscience
It's that time of year again. Fall is in the air, kids are back in school, and frightened Democrats are warning the Green Party not to run a candidate for president next year. "The issues are too serious," we're told, "and the incumbent too awful. Just for this election, forget your progressive values, hold your nose, and vote for whichever conservative white male the Dems decide to run. After all, anyone's better than Bush."
We've heard this before. The arguments Dems are making now are the same ones they made in 2000. "Rally around Al Gore," they said. In 1996, it was Clinton. Last year, in my home state of Texas, we were told to support the Democratic candidate for governor, a strongly conservative banker who had never held political office, and whose chief qualification was his ability to fund his campaign out of pocket.
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=15855
Furthermore, to try to parallel the Greens/Dems with Libertarians/Repubs is flawed - these are very different groups with different methods and goals. You'd need to give a lot more evidence of a history of similar patterns before you could easily translate the issues from one to the other of the pairs.
1. GOP should terminate the Christian right
by Dick Morris, October 22, 2003
http://www.thehill.com/morris/102203.aspx
2. Libertarians and Conservatives -- Neither Side Really Gets It
by Steven D. Laib, J.D., M.S., 22 October 2003
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2762.html
3. Conservative-Libertarian Split: Liberals Get It, Conservatives Don’t
by W. James Antle III, 15 October 2003
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2749.html
4. Liberty Island
By Noah Shachtman, Web Exclusive: 10.7.03
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/10/shachtman-n-10-07.html
5. With Arnie's victory, some Republicans have at last acknowledged America's cultural revolution
From The Economist , Oct 9th 2003
http://www.economist.com/World/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2121784
6. Libertarians endorse GOP's McClintock!
by Steve Kubby, October 4, 2003
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34920
7. Ralph Nader says he's stunned by 2002 Texas GOP platform
By Maria Recio, Oct. 03, 2003
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/legislature/6923522.htm
8. With Friends Like These..
By Thomas Lindaman, 10/01/03
http://www.americandaily.com/item/2876
There is a huge difference between the Dems / Greens that doesn't exist between the Liber / Repubs - the issue of corporate money and money in politics in general. The Greens take no corporate donations and they will never fuse with a group that does. The Greens have 10 key values. If you ask them to fuse with a corporate-owned party they must eliminate one of those values, or severely modify it. It won't happen.
The Dems haven't lifted a finger toward the Greens have villified the Greens at every turn, so that NATIONWIDE everyone thinks that Gore lost because of Nader. This is huge, and unlike anything between Repubs and Libs. It will take decades to undo.
In opposition to your interest in fusing Dems and Greens, I hope for the ripping apart of the Dems, where they continue their current idiotic policies of moving toward the center and collapse in half. We already saw this in CA, where the right of center completely left the party to go with the movie star.
Once the Dems come apart, anything goes. Only corporate media can decide what will happen, since they currently control the entire US public. You'd have to look to them for any ideas.
LIES, Back Room deals, corporate-cronyism
and generally selling this country down the river.
the greens seem to simply like to lend their mantle to any one who shows significant psychological instability, and as of yet the green party seems to be incapable of finding one suitable candidate to run for any office - - - - any where!