DAVE KERSTING: EQUALITY-only solution which can lead to sustainable peace Israel/Palestine

Ron C writes:

It appears that the "elite few" are much less interested in the Jewish state then in a base from which to dominate the region for their own profit..

Dave Kersting replies:

Nothing of the kind appears anywhere except in the rhetoric of Zionists who wish to keep attention deflected from the obvious racism at the core of the problem.

Zionism, with its openly racist demand for official “Jewish” supremacy – an explicitly “Jewish” settler-state forced into multi-ethnic Palestine – is (quite obviously) the only international interest that REQUIRES the subjugation of all Middle East populations.

Even IF Israel’s supporters were being insidiously tricked, by some corporate elite, into naïve support for an officially “Jewish” definition of Israel, with all the massively provocative atrocities it entails, the answer would still be to reverse those racist policies themselves – rather than deflect attention away from them and toward some shadowy “elite” that is supposedly BEHIND them. But we who speak out against the racist policies in question are assaulted, threatened, and slandered – not by corporate goons – but by openly-declared supporters of the “Jewish state,” often directly inside the “peace and justice” movement. Even Richard Becker showed his and A.N.S.W.E.R.’s own closet Zionism, when he dismissed this entire line of thought as “anti-Semitic.” The Zionists themselves are certainly the most active and violent defenders of the supposedly “corporate” tricks they supposedly suffer from. It is absurd to blame anyone for violent racist policies OTHER THAN those who violently demand and directly impose them.

Besides, the potential for corporate profit, doing straight-up business with thriving societies full of eager consumers, has proven incomparably greater than the old non-sustainable colonial-imperial slash-and-burn system of plundering decimated wastelands full of bitter enemies. The world was moving AWAY from that system, when Zionism came along and produced a vast bolt of influence, tightly organized around racist conquest and the most virulent policies ever associated with corporate imperialism.
These days, no corporate or colonial interest could possibly get away with overt ethnic-cleansing – unless it could find a way to win massive, organized, grassroots support for racist atrocities.
Only Zionism has managed to win that kind of grassroots support, among the “Organized Jewish Community” – which actively perpetuates the confusion and apathy of the average American (and European) taxpayer. (Ron C’s message is part of that effort, regardless of whether he means his deception intentionally or is just parroting the Zionist line.)
No US politician can get elected without the approval of the Zionist organizations.
No corporate interest can stand against the Zionist demand for a subjugated Middle East; corporations must do their best to profit as well as possible within the climate demanded by Zionism. There is absolutely no evidence that Zionists, or Israel, or the Organized Jewish Community are being manipulated by corporate interests. Vast banks of all available information show the influence going the OTHER direction – violently, bitterly, and constantly.

Once again: the legitimate fears of the Jewish people provide a vast potential for fear-mongering, by Zionist opportunists, who exploit the chauvinism of an openly clannish and historically abused ethnicity. Those fears provide, for Zionists, far more “freedom of action” than the fears of the post-Versailles German people ever provided for the Nazis: fear-mongering is always the heavy-machinery of racists, and no one has ever had more to fear than the Jews. Zionist barbarism is the inevitable result – as long as nothing is learned from the Nazi experience.

Zionists (like Herzl, Jabotinsky, Begin, Ben Gurion, Meir, Eshkol, Sharon, Rabin, Netanyahu, Barak, etc.) long ago learned to exploit the absence of sober scrutiny, which they enjoy simply by pretending to be “defending the Jews.”
Zionism long ago became nothing more than a conglomeration of whatever policies bring quickest prominence to the politicians who best exploit that special void of sober criticism and who employ the most rapacious methods, for short-term advantage, showing the best talent for getting away with horrors no one else is willing to risk.
Those who have set the outer extremes of Zionist racism and the current borders of Israel – Begin, Shamir, Eshkol, Sharon – are simply those who have correctly predicted that the grassroots “Organized Jewish Community” would welcome the proffered excuses and lies, to allow any barbarism on behalf of “the Jewish state.”
There is nothing sustainable about the resulting policies; they can only continue in ever-increasing conflict. In fact, the international calls for long-term thought and sustainable policies – such as integration and equality – are precisely the calls that are vilified by Zionists as “anti-Israel” and even “anti-Semitic.”

That is why Israel is able to stretch open the envelope of permissible horrors – which we thought we had left far behind – such as sharp-shooting children in their own neighborhoods and building an openly racist WALL between the spiffy new “Jewish Only” settlements and the last decimated ghetto-reservations of the (ethnically unsuited) indigenous population.
No corporate interest and no other political interest could possibly get away with such policies.
Amid all the other global and Middle East regional factors – the natural, eternal factors of profit and conquest – Zionism stands as the dominant, destabilizing force. Meanwhile, the special influence of Zionism, with all its little defenders all over the place – stretching open the horrors, re-gentrifying overt racism, and muddling comprehension itself – SETS THE PRECEDENTS that must surely be employed, in turn, by the very worst aspects of corporate exploitation. Indeed, the worst “overreactions” of US troops in Iraq merely invoke SOME of the precedents made routine by the Israeli occupiers of Palestine.

There is nothing to analyze. The violent racism of an officially “Jewish” state forcing itself ever-deeper into multi-ethnic Palestine is as plain as day.
There is no point in blaming corporations, politicians, or Zionists: explanations, like the one above, are required only to show the wrong of the deceptions.

Just stop supporting racism. That is all the comprehension we require.

We cannot evade that absolute moral obligation by theorizing about who is most to blame for the horrors. Just stop supporting them.
If we cannot stop paying the taxes that unConstitutionally finance racist violence, we must LOUDLY protest that illegal and horrible use of our taxes.
Just stop quietly financing racism. Just stop passively financing violence. Then, those who depend on racism and violence – WHOEVER THEY ARE – will have to learn to get along without it.

Ron C also writes:

..it is the cynical misuse and abuse of Israel and the region by the "elite" which is the problem.

Dave Kersting replies:

Ron’s mysterious “elite” consists of OPENLY DECLARED ZIONISTS, without exception.
No politician that criticizes US support for Israel’s radically anti-Constitutional policies can survive the next election. That constituency is NOT orchestrated by the Big Corporations. It takes its orders directly from top Zionist and Israeli leaders.
In fact, one cannot even call for equality on “the Cosmic Dialogue” without being accused of “diatribe” and subjected to other slanders by the resident Zionists.

Ron C also writes:

The masses, you postulate, are deliberately kept ignorant and misinformed.

Dave Kersting replies:

To understand this problem at all, we must acknowledge that “the masses” do not realize that Israel was conceived and founded as an officially “Jewish” state, nor do they realize that it was created by ethnic-cleansing, nor do they realize that the entire conflict would end, if WE WERE NOT FINANCING the violent policies by which the Zionists perpetuate that banishment of Palestinian families, EXPRESSLY because they are not the desired ethnicity.

We must also note WHO IT IS that keeps this information from the masses. That information is perfectly well known to anyone who takes the slightest interest in this subject. No one denies that Israel is an officially “Jewish” state. No one denies that the Zionists refuse to permit the Palestinian “right of return.” Zionists commonly explain that such return cannot be allowed because it would “end the predominant Jewish character of Israel.” The essential facts are too open to be hidden, even by the corporate media.
All that prevents “the masses” from realizing this is media spinnery – PLUS the fact that the “anti-war movement,” which has clear access to these facts, has adamantly kept them OUT of its slogans, leaflets, and speeches. And the reason that is OPENLY provided by “anti-war” leaders – for so deliberately keeping the masses ignorant and misinformed – is that lots of people “in the movement” cannot “let go of the idea of a Jewish state.” We would not, they say, wish to “divide the movement” between those who equate peace with justice and equality, on one side, and those whose demand for “Jewish” supremacy supercedes their interest in peace.

That’s right, the “anti-war movement” perpetuates the ignorance of the masses, precisely because it does not want to “alienate” people like Ron and Marc.

In other words, ZIONIST interests “in the movement” prevent the basic issues from being addressed – and prevent the only morally bulletproof anti-war arguments from being used.
Those “anti-war” Zionists consistently lose the thread of their coherence when asked to explain how RACISM is expected to HELP the Jewish people, when we are all supposed to understand that it is no good for anyone.

The main reason “the masses” don’t put two and two together – and recognize the unConstitutional racism of Zionist Israel – is that they cannot expect such obvious wrong to escape the attention of the progressives. The most common response, from individual members of those “masses,” when the plain truth about Zionist Israel is pointed out to them, is: “How can they get away with THAT?”
The best answer is that THAT is constantly muddled and denied, by Zionist influence, throughout the government, corporations, “anti-war movement,” and of course, right here on “the Cosmic Dialogue.”
The blame cannot be placed on some corporate “elite.”

Just stop silently supporting overt racist violence ..please.

“Everyone has the choice, of when to or not to raise their voices; it’s you that decides.” ..George Harrison, 1969

Ron C also writes:

The daunting task then becomes not, in this case, Zionism or Anti-Zionism, but the neutralization of the vagueries of the "elite few" who use these “isms” to separate and control the masses..

Dave Kersting replies:

Racism is certainly one “ism” we can all reject unanimously. Nazism is another. “Zionism” is the term commonly defined as “the movement to create and maintain a ‘Jewish’ settler-state in Palestine.” Now, whatever we wish to call it, that movement is as racist and violent as any political movement can possibly be. Those who oppose “Zionism” certainly mean the term as it is commonly defined.
The “vaguery” most in need of “neutralization” is the Zionist muddling of this simple truth, as repeated by Ron.

Racism IS the extreme effort to separate and control the masses. Ending racism – including Zionism – is an effort to establish EQUALITY, INTEGRATION, AND UNITY, in place of OFFICIAL and VIOLENT SEPARATION.

This is progress. Ron C’s long series of groovy-sounding pleas for “dialog not diatribe” have finally worn thin, as their blazing conflict with elementary Buddhist principles has been steadily exposed.
So, finally he has revealed the basic Zionist perspective which he was actually defending, all along, with that groovy nonsense. Marc has recently done the same.

Now it remains to be seen whether their spirituality can transcend their childhood Zionist conditioning, or if it is just a veneer to give their mainstream Zionist prejudice a groovy ego-enhancing gloss.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could simply unite around an audible call for equality and unity in Israel-Palestine – the same as everywhere else – without further excuses and delays?

I would rather not sound “negative,” but the most basic of all ethics is a refusal to participate in violent crime – so, it really is morally necessary to PROTEST when one’s taxes are being used to FINANCE it. Sure, those who walk away from the world and spend all their time in meditation may certainly be excused – but zen infused in a social life DOES (of course) express itself as ACTIVE support for equality and justice.

This means objecting to financing the policies which OPENLY identify Palestinian families as ethnically unsuitable, and which OPENLY employ violence – real violence folks, with blood, ripped flesh, and everything – to prevent them from simply returning to what’s left of their homes, villages, and cities, within the “Jewish” state.

This active support for peace can be phrased as speaking up and “linking US support for Israel to an immediate end of all OFFICIAL POLICIES OF VIOLENT ETHNIC PREJUDICE – including the establishment of ‘Jewish Only’ settlements and the denial of Palestinian return.”

The ignorance that has prevented us from taking this responsibility earlier is a terrible example of the ignorance that is wiped out by genuine spiritual practice and growth. If our karma provides the destruction of ignorance FOR US, and we RESIST that inevitable growth, continuing to call ourselves “Buddhist” or “pro-peace” is a lie.

Dave Kersting


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It appears that the "elite few" are much less interested in the Jewish state then in a base from which to either dominate the region for their own profit or to provide a cover for their own machinations at the expense of all except themselves. Thus, if Jordan were suddenly perceived a the key to control of the region, the "elite" would shift "loyalty" in less than a heart beat. Thus, it would appear that it is not the state of Israel that is the problem. Rather, it is the cynical misuse and abuse of Israel and the region by the "elite" which is the problem. The problem then becomes this "elite few" rather than the victim states of Israel, Palestine, et al. The masses, you postulate, are deliberately kept ignorant and misinformed. Hence, the masses, the people, are made the willing cannon fodder for this group of 'elite few", who reap the profit from the blood of the masses and the false enemy. The daunting task then becomes not, in this case, Zionism or Anti-Zionism, but the neurtalization of the vageries if the "elite few" who use these isms to seperate and control the masses the people, in the name of the very people the "elite few" wish to control.

truth for reconciliation wrote:

sorry, i couldn't help it after reading this in the Adbuster's mag yesterday, then hearing "Mr. President" sound more unpresidential than usual as he audibly struggled couching his...not rebuke, but request that Israel not escalate further with so much defense of Israel--defending itself?--he negated anything he was trying to say and may as well have said nothing.

about communication and love, "love is real. real is love"--Lennon. so love is honest and no doubt tries to depolarize and resolve conflicts (harmonize). the only way that can happen is if the US awakens from its zio-induced stupor and sees this push for Armageddon, the end of everything, for what it is. Yes, the pinheads on the xtian right are sold on the Zionist program. But who are the prime movers here? It's not a race, but an ilk that bridges races. plus it's the deference from the rest of us that lets it all happen. so?