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Careless, Irresponsible Logging By Maxxam's Pacific Lumber
Fallen tree hits Pacific Lumber security guard.
Maxxam/Pacific Lumber will likely find itself in another wrongful death lawsuit if they don’t change their ways. Five years after of the death of peaceful activist David “Gypsy” Chain, a similar tragedy was narrowly averted on September 18, when a tree cut by a Maxxam/PL contracted logger came within inches of killing yet another person on Gypsy Mountain, this time a security guard working for the corporation. Without warning, a tree fell where activists and security guards were talking, the branches slamming a security guard to the ground.
You would think they’d learn to do better. But instead, the lack of accountability has taught Maxxam/PL they are above the law, and that every careless or malicious act will result in nothing more than a token punishment. What’s worse, due to a mutual defense clause in the HCP, government agencies must defend Maxxam/PL’s right to destroy forests and water quality regardless of the findings of independent PhD scientists. How convenient.
Forest activists and workers are not the only ones at risk. Local residents, and the harm caused to them from corporate logging, are consistently ignored even as water sources are spoiled (if not destroyed completely), and others have to move or raise their houses due to increased flooding. In Freshwater, more than twenty families are routinely stranded during winter storms as erosion and canopy removal cause the creek to jump its banks, flooding roads and houses. Meanwhile, as millions of pounds of sediment from these barbaric clear-cuts pour into degraded waterways, tax-payers foot the bill for dredging Humboldt Bay - the final resting place for tons of silt.
While nearly every elected official sits on their hands, claiming no responsibility to do something in the face of such injustice, we the people are being manipulated out of our health, our rights, our money and the quality of life for future generations.
You would think they’d learn to do better. But instead, the lack of accountability has taught Maxxam/PL they are above the law, and that every careless or malicious act will result in nothing more than a token punishment. What’s worse, due to a mutual defense clause in the HCP, government agencies must defend Maxxam/PL’s right to destroy forests and water quality regardless of the findings of independent PhD scientists. How convenient.
Forest activists and workers are not the only ones at risk. Local residents, and the harm caused to them from corporate logging, are consistently ignored even as water sources are spoiled (if not destroyed completely), and others have to move or raise their houses due to increased flooding. In Freshwater, more than twenty families are routinely stranded during winter storms as erosion and canopy removal cause the creek to jump its banks, flooding roads and houses. Meanwhile, as millions of pounds of sediment from these barbaric clear-cuts pour into degraded waterways, tax-payers foot the bill for dredging Humboldt Bay - the final resting place for tons of silt.
While nearly every elected official sits on their hands, claiming no responsibility to do something in the face of such injustice, we the people are being manipulated out of our health, our rights, our money and the quality of life for future generations.
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Maxxam/PL almost killed two of their own workers and a whole group of non-violent activists just last Thursday, September 18th, the day after the five-year anniversary of Gypsy's death at the hands of an enraged Maxxam/PL faller.
Again, Maxxam/PL continued to fall trees with full knowledge of people in the area.
Eyewitnesses said that two PL thugs were following our friends around in the woods, while loggers continued to fall trees. All of a sudden, a tree came smashing down within 15 feet of one of the goons, who called himself "Sparklepole," sending his orange hard-hat flying. The activists were sure that he was dead, and then Sparklepole got up, dusted himself off, got on his radio, and said something to the effect of, "Wow, that's an adrenaline rush!"
Yeah, because he ALMOST DIED, that's why!
The top of the tree fell dangerously close to a group of forest defenders, and could have killed everyone on site, except for the faller.
When is Maxxam/PL going to learn that it's not safe, not OK, to fall trees with people in the area.
When people show up, they have to stop, period.
MAXXAM/PL ALMOST KILLED A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, JUST ONE DAY AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF GYPSY'S DEATH.
It's time to Save Gypsy Mountain.
Let's keep the focus on the real issue here.
All the legal THPs in the world doesn't give anyone the right to blatantly fall trees with people in the area.
You can't hide behind your rubber stamps anymore.
Learn from the past, and improve in the present and future. Don't make the same stupid mistakes, just to satisfy your sick ego.
You can't log with people in the area, period.
When are people going to wake up?
Again, Maxxam/PL continued to fall trees with full knowledge of people in the area.
Eyewitnesses said that two PL thugs were following our friends around in the woods, while loggers continued to fall trees. All of a sudden, a tree came smashing down within 15 feet of one of the goons, who called himself "Sparklepole," sending his orange hard-hat flying. The activists were sure that he was dead, and then Sparklepole got up, dusted himself off, got on his radio, and said something to the effect of, "Wow, that's an adrenaline rush!"
Yeah, because he ALMOST DIED, that's why!
The top of the tree fell dangerously close to a group of forest defenders, and could have killed everyone on site, except for the faller.
When is Maxxam/PL going to learn that it's not safe, not OK, to fall trees with people in the area.
When people show up, they have to stop, period.
MAXXAM/PL ALMOST KILLED A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, JUST ONE DAY AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF GYPSY'S DEATH.
It's time to Save Gypsy Mountain.
Let's keep the focus on the real issue here.
All the legal THPs in the world doesn't give anyone the right to blatantly fall trees with people in the area.
You can't hide behind your rubber stamps anymore.
Learn from the past, and improve in the present and future. Don't make the same stupid mistakes, just to satisfy your sick ego.
You can't log with people in the area, period.
When are people going to wake up?
Shunka, you have been smoking a big fatty way too long. If you have noticed, there is signs posted that says "NO TRESSPASSING". But then what do you care. You pump these young kids up with your B.S. and send them on their marry way into an active cutting area. Why don't you do us all a favor. Why don't you go out there and stand under a falling tree just like Chain did. Thats a nice way to commit suicide. You asked, when are people going to wake up. There is a lot of us that has been asking the same question about you. As for that guard, it was you that almost got him killed, not the logger. And how do you get a group of people out of one guard?
And you say Let's keep the focus on the real issue here. Your right. The real issue is you Chunka-Shunka.
And you say Let's keep the focus on the real issue here. Your right. The real issue is you Chunka-Shunka.
PL was there when steep hillslopes were clear-cut which triggered landslides that wiped out houses in Stafford. They forgot to tell those families to get out of the way.
< You would think they’d learn to do better.>
Yeah you would, wouldn't you? Once one person gets smashed, you'd think you would learn to either stay away or get out of the way. You ever notice that regular law abiding working folk never get smashed by falling trees? Could it be that they know something you don't? I heard it was something about providing for their kids and not breaking laws. But we never hear from the these types, as they are too busy working to be aware of this horeshit.
Yeah you would, wouldn't you? Once one person gets smashed, you'd think you would learn to either stay away or get out of the way. You ever notice that regular law abiding working folk never get smashed by falling trees? Could it be that they know something you don't? I heard it was something about providing for their kids and not breaking laws. But we never hear from the these types, as they are too busy working to be aware of this horeshit.
law abiding, that's a farce. PL had over 300 violations before their license got yanked. presently, PL's logging operations depend on a fatally flawed HCP and SYP which makes it a illegal business.
you sight no facts from the division of industrial relations which tells of how many deaths or dismembrants from logging operations. loggers and choke setters get injured all the time. last year or the year before i believe there was a faller killed on PL's land. it's an extremely dangerous occupation.
lastly, ammons murdered mr. chain. the tree that fell on him, was cut out of sink with the others he had cut that day. PL choose to place it's most headed logger on that mountain cause they knew he'd kill someone. ammons bragged about fucking an EF!er and desiring to kill one of them. so get your facts straight.
you sight no facts from the division of industrial relations which tells of how many deaths or dismembrants from logging operations. loggers and choke setters get injured all the time. last year or the year before i believe there was a faller killed on PL's land. it's an extremely dangerous occupation.
lastly, ammons murdered mr. chain. the tree that fell on him, was cut out of sink with the others he had cut that day. PL choose to place it's most headed logger on that mountain cause they knew he'd kill someone. ammons bragged about fucking an EF!er and desiring to kill one of them. so get your facts straight.
law abiding, that's a farce. PL had over 300 violations before their license got yanked. presently, PL's logging operations depend on a fatally flawed HCP and SYP which makes it a illegal business.
you sight no facts from the division of industrial relations which tells of how many deaths or dismembrants from logging operations. loggers and choke setters get injured all the time. last year or the year before i believe there was a faller killed on PL's land. it's an extremely dangerous occupation.
lastly, ammons murdered mr. chain. the tree that fell on him, was cut out of sink with the others he had cut that day. PL choose to place it's most headed logger on that mountain cause they knew he'd kill someone. ammons bragged about fucking an EF!er and desiring to kill one of them. so get your facts straight.
you sight no facts from the division of industrial relations which tells of how many deaths or dismembrants from logging operations. loggers and choke setters get injured all the time. last year or the year before i believe there was a faller killed on PL's land. it's an extremely dangerous occupation.
lastly, ammons murdered mr. chain. the tree that fell on him, was cut out of sink with the others he had cut that day. PL choose to place it's most headed logger on that mountain cause they knew he'd kill someone. ammons bragged about fucking an EF!er and desiring to kill one of them. so get your facts straight.
O.K., so a few activists die, a few workers die, a few watersheds get trashed...okay, okay, so I'll grant you that much.
And yeah, I guess that's kind of a downer, but I mean c'mon now, these are really rather mundane and piddling concerns to busy mover-and-shaker like me.
Now what's really outrageous is how hard it is to get a proper tee time down at the Club, what with all those old fogies puttering around all morning clogging things up. Why don't you activists do something about the rights of bloated tycoons like me for a change? All I want is my fair share!
And yeah, I guess that's kind of a downer, but I mean c'mon now, these are really rather mundane and piddling concerns to busy mover-and-shaker like me.
Now what's really outrageous is how hard it is to get a proper tee time down at the Club, what with all those old fogies puttering around all morning clogging things up. Why don't you activists do something about the rights of bloated tycoons like me for a change? All I want is my fair share!
Yes, I said law abiding. As in not trespassing. As in receiving approval from state and federal agencies. OH, but I forgot, you don't recognize these agencies as being valid. Since you discount their credibility, perhaps you would like to scrutinize and approve logging plans? And how are you qualified? That's right, your not, but you are a person of the earth - like everyone else isn't? Fuck you and your self righteousness.
Next, I don't think anyone has been killed recently (within 5 yrs) on PL property except people who are unfamiliar with timber operations and should have been playing bongos on the plaza. Yes people get hurt in the woods regularly. That's exactly why non-timber professionals shouldn't be there, duh. You didn't learn from David, did you? Instead, you continue to "shadow" timber fallers in an effort to get whacked again, and it almost happened. Sounds like mosquito behavior to me.... you just don't know when to quit sucking.
Next, I don't think anyone has been killed recently (within 5 yrs) on PL property except people who are unfamiliar with timber operations and should have been playing bongos on the plaza. Yes people get hurt in the woods regularly. That's exactly why non-timber professionals shouldn't be there, duh. You didn't learn from David, did you? Instead, you continue to "shadow" timber fallers in an effort to get whacked again, and it almost happened. Sounds like mosquito behavior to me.... you just don't know when to quit sucking.
murder? please! get your own facts straight and get away from heavy moving objects or earn the darwin award you so richly deserve!
As true environmentalists, I would expect you'd be in FAVOR of a tree killing a human! You nuts believe a tree has rights, but a person does not. This is how a tree seeks REVENGE!
Why would we recognize the validity of "regulatory agencies" who have admittedly approved every timber harvest plan pl has submitted since '99? good god no I dont' trust cdf or dfg or the water quality bored to do the job their paid by the people and protect the public trust. cdf themselves documents the hundreds of pl's violations and still approves every plan and lets them cut without any monitoring. its a damn crime, and the good people who pay thier taxes are getting screwed every time this texas fraud company takes their saws into the woods.
I say we shouldn't be silent and ignore how they are doing the people wrong!
I say we shouldn't be silent and ignore how they are doing the people wrong!
It was up to the County planners to tell people building houses in Stafford that they were building on an active alluvial fan. Dangerous place, logging or no, just like all those places outside of Santa Cruz. That subdivision never should have been approved. County dropped the ball, developers made money, residents got stuck holding the bag.
Remedy and Shunka if you are going to put something on here try and get the facts before you spout off. I was the security guard your are talking about. I WAS NOT KNOCKED TO THE GROUND. Only a portion of the tree even came close to me and it was a long way from your mis-informed friends. I would not of had to be there if your type were not breaking the law by being there. I was there to protect the innocent young people you two send in to the woods. If anything should happen to any of our people or to the kids you send up the mountain, I will do my best to hold you two accountable!
You are a liar, you are not the PL security guard. The guard was knocked on his ass and his hat went flying. Your attempts at covering for a company that has caused so much obvious damage to the watersheds in Humboldt is weak and transparent.
You want to blame the Planning Commission? Why didn't the great floods and storms of '55 and '64 trigger slides in Stafford?
PL's head forester Tom Herman approved the plans that caused the slides that wiped out Stafford. Now Tom Herman is Roger Rodoni's appointee on the County Planning Commission. Is Tom Herman overseeing any development in your neighborhood? How do you feel about breathing asbestos?
PL's head forester Tom Herman approved the plans that caused the slides that wiped out Stafford. Now Tom Herman is Roger Rodoni's appointee on the County Planning Commission. Is Tom Herman overseeing any development in your neighborhood? How do you feel about breathing asbestos?
The unfortunate truth is that the logger(s) on Gypsy Mountain failed to stop their illegal logging when non-violent activists entered the work area. This resulted in one worker coming VERY CLOSE to being killed(and he knows it), and several others, who were in the immediate vicinity, including one more PL worker, coming dangerously close to being hit, injured, and/or killed. This is the unfortunate truth.
It seems that PL can't count on its hired workers to observe the protocol that was set up as a result of the out-of-court settlement from the wrongful death civil suit, brought about by Gypsy's family, after Gypsy was killed by a PL worker, who also refused to stop falling trees when he KNEW that there were people in the area.
That protocol says that PL workers have to shut their chainsaws OFF when they know that there are people in or near the fall zone. This protocol was completely ignored on Thursday, September 18th, 2003, on Gypsy Mountain. This protocol has also been broken many times in Freshwater, during the intense raids this past spring and summer.
As long as endangered species habitat is being threatened and destroyed, people are going to protest.
As a company, Maxxam/PL, having full knowledge of a long history of direct action protests, which are obviously not stopping, have the responsibility to create a widespread protocol for dealing with protestors in the woods, in order to avoid MASSIVE LIABILITY CIVIL & CRIMINAL SUITS AGAINST THEM, and to avoid MORE PEOPLE GETTING INJURED AND/OR KILLED on "their land."
Since Maxxam/PL employ hundreds of people every year, they have the obligation to create a broad, all-encompassing set of PROTOCOL for dealing with protestors in the woods.
The protocol for loggers is:
1)Turn OFF your saws.
2)CALL your supervisor.
3)Wait for authorities to arrive.
The protocol for supervisors is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations in the area have stopped.
2)Call security
3)Make sure that no one is being violent
4)Wait for authorities to arrive
The protocol for security is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations have stopped.
2)Call the police
3)Make sure that no one is being violent
4)Wait for authorities to arrive
The protocol for the police is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations in the area have stopped.
2)Make sure that no one is being violent
3)Give people the option to leave or be arrested
4)Arrest those who decide to be arrested
5)Make sure that no one is violent to your "prisoner" until he/she is released.
6)Fill out your paperwork.
7)Go and try to stop some real crime.
That's it!
You can't chase us down, pounce on us, injure us, tie us up, torture us, kidnap us, and call that a "citizen's arrest."
A citizen's arrest is when you go over to a police officer and say, "I want to put that man/woman under citizen's arrests for such and such offense." Then, if the officer decides that it's valid(there are enough witnesses, enough evidence, etc.), then he/she can go and place the person under arrest. None of us can just go and tackle someone, throw them into a vehicle, do who-knows-what to them, and then take them to the police station, and say that you "citizen's arrested" the person.
It just doesn't work like that, and any form of the above-mentioned behaviour constitutes assault, battery, kidnapping, and others.
You're in the real world now, folks, so you'd better start acting like it. See you soon...
With Love, Light, and Re-evolution,
Shunka Wakan
Nevermind these right-wing tabloids...corporate media slander is nothing new...thanks for all who continue to support the non-violent, non-property destructive efforts of North Coast Earth First!
The movement is growing, worldwide, and soon we will all be free:)
Take care, and stay in touch!
With Love, Light, and Re-evolution,
Shunka Wakan
Oh yeah, if you want to see what some people have to say about the Arcata F.B.Eye, edited by none other than (J. Edgar)Kevin Hoover, who has a highly suspicious vendetta against me, personally, and Earth First!, check out this website:)
http://www.arcatalie.com/
It seems that PL can't count on its hired workers to observe the protocol that was set up as a result of the out-of-court settlement from the wrongful death civil suit, brought about by Gypsy's family, after Gypsy was killed by a PL worker, who also refused to stop falling trees when he KNEW that there were people in the area.
That protocol says that PL workers have to shut their chainsaws OFF when they know that there are people in or near the fall zone. This protocol was completely ignored on Thursday, September 18th, 2003, on Gypsy Mountain. This protocol has also been broken many times in Freshwater, during the intense raids this past spring and summer.
As long as endangered species habitat is being threatened and destroyed, people are going to protest.
As a company, Maxxam/PL, having full knowledge of a long history of direct action protests, which are obviously not stopping, have the responsibility to create a widespread protocol for dealing with protestors in the woods, in order to avoid MASSIVE LIABILITY CIVIL & CRIMINAL SUITS AGAINST THEM, and to avoid MORE PEOPLE GETTING INJURED AND/OR KILLED on "their land."
Since Maxxam/PL employ hundreds of people every year, they have the obligation to create a broad, all-encompassing set of PROTOCOL for dealing with protestors in the woods.
The protocol for loggers is:
1)Turn OFF your saws.
2)CALL your supervisor.
3)Wait for authorities to arrive.
The protocol for supervisors is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations in the area have stopped.
2)Call security
3)Make sure that no one is being violent
4)Wait for authorities to arrive
The protocol for security is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations have stopped.
2)Call the police
3)Make sure that no one is being violent
4)Wait for authorities to arrive
The protocol for the police is:
1)Make sure that all timber harvesting operations in the area have stopped.
2)Make sure that no one is being violent
3)Give people the option to leave or be arrested
4)Arrest those who decide to be arrested
5)Make sure that no one is violent to your "prisoner" until he/she is released.
6)Fill out your paperwork.
7)Go and try to stop some real crime.
That's it!
You can't chase us down, pounce on us, injure us, tie us up, torture us, kidnap us, and call that a "citizen's arrest."
A citizen's arrest is when you go over to a police officer and say, "I want to put that man/woman under citizen's arrests for such and such offense." Then, if the officer decides that it's valid(there are enough witnesses, enough evidence, etc.), then he/she can go and place the person under arrest. None of us can just go and tackle someone, throw them into a vehicle, do who-knows-what to them, and then take them to the police station, and say that you "citizen's arrested" the person.
It just doesn't work like that, and any form of the above-mentioned behaviour constitutes assault, battery, kidnapping, and others.
You're in the real world now, folks, so you'd better start acting like it. See you soon...
With Love, Light, and Re-evolution,
Shunka Wakan
Nevermind these right-wing tabloids...corporate media slander is nothing new...thanks for all who continue to support the non-violent, non-property destructive efforts of North Coast Earth First!
The movement is growing, worldwide, and soon we will all be free:)
Take care, and stay in touch!
With Love, Light, and Re-evolution,
Shunka Wakan
Oh yeah, if you want to see what some people have to say about the Arcata F.B.Eye, edited by none other than (J. Edgar)Kevin Hoover, who has a highly suspicious vendetta against me, personally, and Earth First!, check out this website:)
http://www.arcatalie.com/
For more information:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/northcoastea...
Hey, that's funny Shunka. Your not mentioned anwhere in the arcata lie. What is there to refute?
"A highly suspious vendetta against me..."
All I can say is lay off the pot. Your getting paranoid.
"A highly suspious vendetta against me..."
All I can say is lay off the pot. Your getting paranoid.
The amount of times MAXXAM/PL has lied about property boundaries is criminal. They are content to alter the property boundaries whenever an old growth they want to cut is nearby. Just extend the property line another 100 meters whenever it suits you, MAXXAM..
..the pattern of extending property was practiced by settlers whenever they wanted to take more land from the Native Americans. The treaties were broken again and again as the Native tribal land got smaller and smaller..
..this is the same pattern of MAXXAM eating more old growth redwoods to feed the pockets of Hurwitz, Bush and other greedy imperialists..
..for all the loggers currently employed by MAXXAM/PL, please visit the site of the United Steelworkers of America Local 338. There you will find detailed articles about the collapse of Kaiser under MAXXAM. Your jobs are not safe under MAXXAM corporation..
..solidarity against corporate tyranny!!
..the pattern of extending property was practiced by settlers whenever they wanted to take more land from the Native Americans. The treaties were broken again and again as the Native tribal land got smaller and smaller..
..this is the same pattern of MAXXAM eating more old growth redwoods to feed the pockets of Hurwitz, Bush and other greedy imperialists..
..for all the loggers currently employed by MAXXAM/PL, please visit the site of the United Steelworkers of America Local 338. There you will find detailed articles about the collapse of Kaiser under MAXXAM. Your jobs are not safe under MAXXAM corporation..
..solidarity against corporate tyranny!!
For more information:
http://www.local338.com/News.htm
Damn Jason,
Now the Eye is after both you and Roger Rodoni? Is no one safe from their abusive form of journalism?
Now the Eye is after both you and Roger Rodoni? Is no one safe from their abusive form of journalism?
1955 and 1964 were rain-on-snow floods. December 1996 was the biggest 30 day rainfall on record until December 2002. Trees don't stop that kind of rain.
Que pasa asbestos? That was completely off the wall.
Que pasa asbestos? That was completely off the wall.
It's funny Chunka that you list the protocol's for the logger's, security, and the police, but Chunka what I don't see is the protocol for E.F.! Let me help you out.
1) Stop telling lies to the young people that you send into a "LEGAL" harvest site to get killed.
2) Stop harrassing people that don't believe in what you say or stand for.
3) Stop trashing the forest with all your trash and human waste.
4) Stop violating the rights of others.
That's it Chunka, as you said " You're in the real world now, folks, so you'd better start acting like it." But I really don't know what world you are from tho Chunka.
Why don't you stop fooling yourself Chunka, you are making more enemies in this county than you are friends. And yes I have been reading the Arcata Eye, you do give me a good chuckle when I can't get to sleep some nights. As said before, there is four words for everyone to remember: Google Arcata Eye Shunka
And let me leave you with this thought for you Chunka. How does it feel to have the blood of Chain on your hands. You are sentenced and found guilty for his death Chunka. You stood there, watched, and did NOTHING!
1) Stop telling lies to the young people that you send into a "LEGAL" harvest site to get killed.
2) Stop harrassing people that don't believe in what you say or stand for.
3) Stop trashing the forest with all your trash and human waste.
4) Stop violating the rights of others.
That's it Chunka, as you said " You're in the real world now, folks, so you'd better start acting like it." But I really don't know what world you are from tho Chunka.
Why don't you stop fooling yourself Chunka, you are making more enemies in this county than you are friends. And yes I have been reading the Arcata Eye, you do give me a good chuckle when I can't get to sleep some nights. As said before, there is four words for everyone to remember: Google Arcata Eye Shunka
And let me leave you with this thought for you Chunka. How does it feel to have the blood of Chain on your hands. You are sentenced and found guilty for his death Chunka. You stood there, watched, and did NOTHING!
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<The amount of times MAXXAM/PL has lied about property boundaries is criminal. They are content to alter the property boundaries whenever an old growth they want to cut is nearby. Just extend the property line another 100 meters whenever it suits you, MAXXAM.. >
You mean zero? You are a fucking idiot. A dolt. PL's boundaries are surveyed. To alter them whimsically would be litigal folly. Proving alterations which you claim would be so basic, even you could do it. Can you? No, I know you can't because IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! Talk about makin' shit up. That's pathetic - like you. 100 meters = 30,000 feet = 5.6 miles, asshole. You know, libel is criminal too. However, it is comforting to know that stupid dick like you is fighting for the right side.
You mean zero? You are a fucking idiot. A dolt. PL's boundaries are surveyed. To alter them whimsically would be litigal folly. Proving alterations which you claim would be so basic, even you could do it. Can you? No, I know you can't because IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! Talk about makin' shit up. That's pathetic - like you. 100 meters = 30,000 feet = 5.6 miles, asshole. You know, libel is criminal too. However, it is comforting to know that stupid dick like you is fighting for the right side.
Logger Dave Walters doesn't know PL's property boundaries and doesn't care if he crosses them when he cuts. He testified to this in court, so it is part of the public record.
Carl Anderson doesn't even know for sure where PL's boundaries are. He also testified to this in court.
Maxxam repeatedly breaks state laws like the Forest Practice Rules, as well as Federal laws like the Endangered Species Act. They break the "stringent" rules of the Habitat Conservation Plan. Of course they over-cut their boundaries, they don't even try to hide it. And why would they? It's not like the government is going to slap them with a fine, or send them to bed without supper.
Carl Anderson doesn't even know for sure where PL's boundaries are. He also testified to this in court.
Maxxam repeatedly breaks state laws like the Forest Practice Rules, as well as Federal laws like the Endangered Species Act. They break the "stringent" rules of the Habitat Conservation Plan. Of course they over-cut their boundaries, they don't even try to hide it. And why would they? It's not like the government is going to slap them with a fine, or send them to bed without supper.
This guy is a fraid, just like "Remedy" and the rest. They are out of state agitators with no discernible income and no real lives. They come to California to cause trouble and have no real say in what goes on in this state. We need to find out the real name of this fraud. "Remedy" is Jeny Card and I believe she is from Michigan. Is Shunka from Michigan? If so, they might know each other. We need intel on these hippie freaks. We need to stop them from making such absurd claims as the PL actions on PL LAND are "raids." This is a company using its resources and that is all. If you want to stop the "pillaging of the planet," you need to convince a billion people or so (those living under democracy and capitalism) to completely change their ways. This is NOT going to happen, obviously. This is what people have chosen. We do have free will, after all. Hippie agitators do nothing but create chaos, which is ALWAYS bad for society. The mere concept of "society" is something that is beyond these people. And the law is the law. When people break the law (like Enron, Global Crossing, etc etc) they pay for it with jail time and/or fines. Think the fines aren't big enough? This is a constitutional republic, so you have to become a LEGISLATOR to make and change law. Hate Dubya? He'd be a one-term resident if you could field a BETTER candidate. Mayge General Clark? We can dream ... In the meantime, quit your whining, get a haircut and a shave (if you'd see Shunka you'd know what I mean) and get to work making the world a better place rather than standing on the side of a logging road (or trespassing outright) and shaking your filthy fist at hard-working Americans.
Speaking of outsiders, Charles Hurwitz, who is causing permanent damage to the public trust in California, is from Texas. This outsider ripped off the retirement fund for 2,500 Pacific Lumber workers. Texas is where the money goes. California is where the damage stays. Californians are the ones who pay.
Maxxam/Pacific Lumber amassed 300 violations of the law from 1994 - 1997. They continue to commit violations. Any fines levied against them are pennies on the dollar.
To help their friends at Maxxam avoid further violations, state regulatory agencies (paid for by you and me) handed out permits to these crooks to violate environmental regulations, resulting in violations of neighboring property owners rights. Good, up-standing, tax-paying, hard-working and retired Americans are suffering from having less rights than Maxxam.
The government rewards Maxxam for their transgressions. The agencies act as a barrier, defending Maxxam from any challenge no matter its validity. Uncle Sam made a deal with Maxxam and called it the Habitat Conservation Plan
To help their friends at Maxxam avoid further violations, state regulatory agencies (paid for by you and me) handed out permits to these crooks to violate environmental regulations, resulting in violations of neighboring property owners rights. Good, up-standing, tax-paying, hard-working and retired Americans are suffering from having less rights than Maxxam.
The government rewards Maxxam for their transgressions. The agencies act as a barrier, defending Maxxam from any challenge no matter its validity. Uncle Sam made a deal with Maxxam and called it the Habitat Conservation Plan
Oh, so hippies get to decide which laws and agreements are valid bsed on their whims, because they're so groovy! What kind of ethic is that? Sounds like a bunch of little wannabe dictators to me.
No, Maxxam gets to decide which laws are worth following and which one they will profit from breaking.
Welcome to Hurwitz County.
Welcome to Hurwitz County.
your wanting people to disclose what? there ain't no money on the books to disclose. in case you hadn't noticed the dot com bubble burst and the grants dried up. as for the few bucks donated to the tabling efforts, ain't worth the trouble seeking a accountant for that effort. there ain't much mooney to discover.
get off your high horses and take back your company. the outsider in texas is looting your pension. the outsider in texas is looting your natural heritage. and last i checked, people are free to reside wherever they please. this country was founded on dissent. now that's patriotic.
get off your high horses and take back your company. the outsider in texas is looting your pension. the outsider in texas is looting your natural heritage. and last i checked, people are free to reside wherever they please. this country was founded on dissent. now that's patriotic.
this country was founded by people who dissented, true.... but they were right and you are wrong.
dissent with an incorrect basis is just pap. and THAT is why you and your brethren are largely ignored
dissent with an incorrect basis is just pap. and THAT is why you and your brethren are largely ignored
The battle between people for and against Hurowitz and PL has always been a war of truths and half-truths. Here are some examples:
Statement: Hurowitz/MAXXAM took contol of PL (a small family owned company) in a hostile takeover. They tripled the harvest and emptied PL's retirement fund.
Truths/half-truths: Hurwitz did take control of PL in a hostile takeover, but the company wasn't family owned. The Murphy's owned only 5% of the company at the time (actually Bank of America owned 44% at the time). They did't triple the harvest, but they did double it. Of course, the old PL thought they an inventory 3.5 billion feet of timber, when the actually had over 6 billion. Also, it should be noted that all timber companies nearly doubled their harvest starting 1986 due to the slump in lumber sales for 1983-84. As for the retirement fund, he did what all the other retirement funds were doing, re-investing. Unfortunately, the investment firm went bankrupt and Hurowitz had to personally backfill the fund.
Statement: PL amassed over 300 violations from 1994-1997.
Truths and half-truths: PL amassed over 300 violations from 1994-1997. This statement is not disputable. What I do find that is interesting is that over 90% of these violations were issued by one CDF forester who was very vocal about his dislike for PL. It also should be noted that he transfered out at the end 1997 and in 1998, PL had only 10 violations.
The war of words will continue as long as PL is in business. Coming from someone who used to work at PL and now, has moved on to another profession, it seems to me that the easiest way to put PL out of business is tell people to stop buying wood. Of course, to do that, we would have to stop building wood houses, eliminate population growth, take over other countries and force them to do the same, and curtail mother natures rath. Then start building haw-bale houses and use lumber made from milk cartons. Possible, but not reality. If we stop logging in this country completely, it will only speed up the harvests in other countries that don't have any environmental restictions.
Statement: Hurowitz/MAXXAM took contol of PL (a small family owned company) in a hostile takeover. They tripled the harvest and emptied PL's retirement fund.
Truths/half-truths: Hurwitz did take control of PL in a hostile takeover, but the company wasn't family owned. The Murphy's owned only 5% of the company at the time (actually Bank of America owned 44% at the time). They did't triple the harvest, but they did double it. Of course, the old PL thought they an inventory 3.5 billion feet of timber, when the actually had over 6 billion. Also, it should be noted that all timber companies nearly doubled their harvest starting 1986 due to the slump in lumber sales for 1983-84. As for the retirement fund, he did what all the other retirement funds were doing, re-investing. Unfortunately, the investment firm went bankrupt and Hurowitz had to personally backfill the fund.
Statement: PL amassed over 300 violations from 1994-1997.
Truths and half-truths: PL amassed over 300 violations from 1994-1997. This statement is not disputable. What I do find that is interesting is that over 90% of these violations were issued by one CDF forester who was very vocal about his dislike for PL. It also should be noted that he transfered out at the end 1997 and in 1998, PL had only 10 violations.
The war of words will continue as long as PL is in business. Coming from someone who used to work at PL and now, has moved on to another profession, it seems to me that the easiest way to put PL out of business is tell people to stop buying wood. Of course, to do that, we would have to stop building wood houses, eliminate population growth, take over other countries and force them to do the same, and curtail mother natures rath. Then start building haw-bale houses and use lumber made from milk cartons. Possible, but not reality. If we stop logging in this country completely, it will only speed up the harvests in other countries that don't have any environmental restictions.
EF! membership? leadership? deep pockets?
We forget that the redwoods are sacred beings that have existed here in the west coast for millions of years. As a tree species, redwoods have existed here since the time of the dinosaurs (Cretaceous). Redwoods are an integrel part of the coastal temperate rainforest ecosystem. Their needles take in atmospheric moisture and draw fog in a continuous cycle via transpiration. Individual old growth redwoods are over 1000 years old!
This is an amazing feat, to live on Mother Earth for so long through storms and ice and earthquakes. The trees standing tall today were alive before the first European arrived on this continent. Native people's ancestors may have stepped over the seedling of a tree that is now taller than the eye can see..
People who have immigrated here need to show respect for the redwoods and honor their timeless wisdom. Native people of the north coast do not appreciate the continued destruction of European colonialists, now under the name MAXXAM/PL. Those of us Europeans who are saving the redwoods realize the mistakes of our ancestors and are actively preventing the oppresive cycle of colonialism from continuing. We seek to live in harmony with Mother Earth and respect the redwoods and the Native peoples whose land we are living on..
MAXXAM/PL Hurwitz/Bush do not show respect for this or any land. They operate based on greed an materialism, while showing no love for nature..
Mother Earth is growing weary of her disrespectful greedy childen..
This is an amazing feat, to live on Mother Earth for so long through storms and ice and earthquakes. The trees standing tall today were alive before the first European arrived on this continent. Native people's ancestors may have stepped over the seedling of a tree that is now taller than the eye can see..
People who have immigrated here need to show respect for the redwoods and honor their timeless wisdom. Native people of the north coast do not appreciate the continued destruction of European colonialists, now under the name MAXXAM/PL. Those of us Europeans who are saving the redwoods realize the mistakes of our ancestors and are actively preventing the oppresive cycle of colonialism from continuing. We seek to live in harmony with Mother Earth and respect the redwoods and the Native peoples whose land we are living on..
MAXXAM/PL Hurwitz/Bush do not show respect for this or any land. They operate based on greed an materialism, while showing no love for nature..
Mother Earth is growing weary of her disrespectful greedy childen..
moth
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
people need to be there to record extinction info, we need to wait for several years before determining a species is extinct and sometimes a species we think is extinct isn't..
this doesn't alter the fact that habitat loss leads to species extinctions. The rate of extinctions is increased as habitat loss is increased. Fragmentation of habitat (ex. clear cut logging) leads to inbreeding among isolated populations, such as the red tree vole and marbled murrelet. Inbreeding increases risks of harmful genetic mutations that weaken the species. This increases the risks of extinction..
this doesn't alter the fact that habitat loss leads to species extinctions. The rate of extinctions is increased as habitat loss is increased. Fragmentation of habitat (ex. clear cut logging) leads to inbreeding among isolated populations, such as the red tree vole and marbled murrelet. Inbreeding increases risks of harmful genetic mutations that weaken the species. This increases the risks of extinction..
moth , we are still waiting
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
IN YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL US THE EXACT HOUR THAT ANY GIVEN SPECIES GOES EXTINCT
SO.....THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO IMPRESS US WITH
YOUR SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
IN YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL US THE EXACT HOUR THAT ANY GIVEN SPECIES GOES EXTINCT
SO.....THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO IMPRESS US WITH
YOUR SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
moth ,
I don't buy your statement that you made on "Fragmentation of habitat (ex. clear cut logging) leads to inbreeding among isolated populations, such as the red tree vole and marbled murrelet." You have loss of habitat in Africa for the Lion and the Cheetah. Do you see interbreeding going on there? Hell no. The Lion would rather eat the Cheetah than to make out with it.
This is the same old B.S. that you environmentalist always throw out there when you know that true science not E.F. science always shoots you down in your claims. Take for example the mantee. There is no threat to them from man, but yet the population of the mantee is declining even with all the protection provided by man. And what about the California sea otters. The population was on a steady increase until about two years ago when scientist started finding hundreds of them dead at a time along the California coast for no reason. This has the science community puzzled. as to why this is happening.
Nothing last forever. One speice dies out while a new one is formed. I do beleive they call this evolution.
And one last note. We are talking about 200,000 acre's. What about the other millions of acre's that is already protected by law in wilderness areas set aside. And some of these areas are accessible from the ocean. Palco's property is not the only area where they (the birds) can come in to nest. Kings range is one example, and the Redwood National forest is another.
I don't buy your statement that you made on "Fragmentation of habitat (ex. clear cut logging) leads to inbreeding among isolated populations, such as the red tree vole and marbled murrelet." You have loss of habitat in Africa for the Lion and the Cheetah. Do you see interbreeding going on there? Hell no. The Lion would rather eat the Cheetah than to make out with it.
This is the same old B.S. that you environmentalist always throw out there when you know that true science not E.F. science always shoots you down in your claims. Take for example the mantee. There is no threat to them from man, but yet the population of the mantee is declining even with all the protection provided by man. And what about the California sea otters. The population was on a steady increase until about two years ago when scientist started finding hundreds of them dead at a time along the California coast for no reason. This has the science community puzzled. as to why this is happening.
Nothing last forever. One speice dies out while a new one is formed. I do beleive they call this evolution.
And one last note. We are talking about 200,000 acre's. What about the other millions of acre's that is already protected by law in wilderness areas set aside. And some of these areas are accessible from the ocean. Palco's property is not the only area where they (the birds) can come in to nest. Kings range is one example, and the Redwood National forest is another.
"I don't buy your statement that you made on "Fragmentation of habitat (ex. clear cut logging) leads to inbreeding among isolated populations, such as the red tree vole and marbled murrelet." You have loss of habitat in Africa for the Lion and the Cheetah. Do you see interbreeding going on there? Hell no. The Lion would rather eat the Cheetah than to make out with it. "
Inbreeding is different from interbreeding. Inbreeding occurs within the same species, not different species. Inbreeding occurs when closely related individual organisms of the same species begin to
breed together and share too much of the same genetic material. This results in the offspring having greater risks of unhealthy mutations..
The manatee is declining because of frequent encounters with motor boat propellers. Manatees graze on sea plants and spend a considerable time floating under the top of the water surface and are not visible to a motor boat going 60 mph. The propellers then scar the manatee's back and/or head, causing often lethal injuries..
Sailboats and kayaks would help a great deal in keeping the manatees living healthy happy lives in the estuaries and seas around florida..
Converting to alternate building material to end clear cut logging would help the red tree vole and marbled murrelet survive also..
We can prevent many of these extinctions from occurring by changing our lifestyles and living more sustainable..
This site has some info on the many uses of hemp..
"Over a 20 year period, one acre of hemp can produce as much paper as 4.1 acres of forest. But America's "cash crop of tomorrow" is held hostage by protectionist laws that have led to the destruction of 70% of our forests since 1937. Additionally, paper made from hemp lasts many times longer tha that made from wood and uses only 10-20% of the dangerous chemicals needed to make wood. "
Inbreeding is different from interbreeding. Inbreeding occurs within the same species, not different species. Inbreeding occurs when closely related individual organisms of the same species begin to
breed together and share too much of the same genetic material. This results in the offspring having greater risks of unhealthy mutations..
The manatee is declining because of frequent encounters with motor boat propellers. Manatees graze on sea plants and spend a considerable time floating under the top of the water surface and are not visible to a motor boat going 60 mph. The propellers then scar the manatee's back and/or head, causing often lethal injuries..
Sailboats and kayaks would help a great deal in keeping the manatees living healthy happy lives in the estuaries and seas around florida..
Converting to alternate building material to end clear cut logging would help the red tree vole and marbled murrelet survive also..
We can prevent many of these extinctions from occurring by changing our lifestyles and living more sustainable..
This site has some info on the many uses of hemp..
"Over a 20 year period, one acre of hemp can produce as much paper as 4.1 acres of forest. But America's "cash crop of tomorrow" is held hostage by protectionist laws that have led to the destruction of 70% of our forests since 1937. Additionally, paper made from hemp lasts many times longer tha that made from wood and uses only 10-20% of the dangerous chemicals needed to make wood. "
For more information:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby...
The manatee is declining because of frequent encounters with motor boat propellers. Manatees graze on sea plants and spend a considerable time floating under the top of the water surface and are not visible to a motor boat going 60 mph. The propellers then scar the manatee's back and/or head, causing often lethal injuries..
this never changes.....
where is your proof?
moth , we are still waiting
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
IN YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL US THE EXACT HOUR THAT ANY GIVEN SPECIES GOES EXTINCT
SO.....THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO IMPRESS US WITH
YOUR SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
we are still waiting for your list of the species that went into extinction for this hour! (5:00pm,to 6:00pm)
as you promised in a previous post
we would also like to see those hourly extinction rates for ten thousand years ago...along with the list of what disappeared during which hour....
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR TEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
EXACTLY WHICH SPECIES DISAPPEARED THIS DAY, THIS HOUR A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.?????????
IN YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL US THE EXACT HOUR THAT ANY GIVEN SPECIES GOES EXTINCT
SO.....THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO IMPRESS US WITH
YOUR SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE
or.........did we catch earth first in the middle of
((((( ANOTHER LIE ?))))))
how many people have injured by the ineptitude of these forest transients? (we already know of several deaths in their group which are due to gross negligence of their leadership) WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE PARENTS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED OR KILLED BY YOUR LACK OF INSIGHT?
Follow the link. There's a picture of a manatee with a boating scar referred to as the "classic" boating scar. Want more? Use Google. Want to keep believing you're not having a negative impact on life on Earth? Keep your head firmly lodged up your ass.
For more information:
http://www.cyhaus.com/marine/manatees/man1...
manatees or redwoods? pick one, but don't mix and match.
that picture proves nothing, what you have presented is a picture that shows no conclusive proof of anything!
it is barely recognizable as a manatee let alone that there is even a scar, or if so where it came from.
next time try to post some thing that has at least a shred of proof.
"as usual eco-science turns out to be little more than uninformed speculation"
it is barely recognizable as a manatee let alone that there is even a scar, or if so where it came from.
next time try to post some thing that has at least a shred of proof.
"as usual eco-science turns out to be little more than uninformed speculation"
You wouldn't know a scarred manatee if you went home to one at night. Deny what you will. Convincing one vulgarian just isn't so important. Enjoy your marginalization.
You wouldn't know a scarred manatee if you went home to one at night. Deny what you will. Convincing one vulgarian just isn't so important. Enjoy your marginalization.
(You wouldn't know a scarred manatee if you went home to one at night. )
AS USUAL
the forest dwellers have come up short on facts again. (this is getting to be a habit for them)
once again you failed to prove any part of your statement
your arguement is so full of holes, if i didn't know better I would say this is moth using another fake name (eyes rolling) this is as fake as the arguement of the red volve.
AS USUAL
the forest dwellers have come up short on facts again. (this is getting to be a habit for them)
once again you failed to prove any part of your statement
your arguement is so full of holes, if i didn't know better I would say this is moth using another fake name (eyes rolling) this is as fake as the arguement of the red volve.
(You wouldn't know a scarred manatee if you went home to one at night. )
AS USUAL
the forest dwellers have come up short on facts again. (this is getting to be a habit for them)
once again you failed to prove any part of your statement
your arguement is so full of holes, if i didn't know better I would say this is moth using another fake name (eyes rolling) this is as fake as the arguement of the red volve.
AS USUAL
the forest dwellers have come up short on facts again. (this is getting to be a habit for them)
once again you failed to prove any part of your statement
your arguement is so full of holes, if i didn't know better I would say this is moth using another fake name (eyes rolling) this is as fake as the arguement of the red volve.
another topic that is short on facts and long on supposition.
do you ever - EVER bother to consider the truth of any of your statements?
"it would seem not" I have yet to see the first sign of a half way intelligent
statement of facts from this group.
do you ever - EVER bother to consider the truth of any of your statements?
"it would seem not" I have yet to see the first sign of a half way intelligent
statement of facts from this group.
If you want to argue whether humans are negatively impacting manatees, you're going to lose. Without question. A simple Google search will illustrate the depth of your ignorance, but it doesn't matter. Adili is right. Convincing you just doesn't matter. The enjoyment you derive from taunting people whose humanity is broad enough to encompass concern for other living things is too puerile...too bestial for a man of experience and education. You are unworthy even of scorn.
well....."Edwin"
considering there has been "NO PROOF" for anything that Adili - ( i.e.-moth) has posted, I find it quite questionable that any information they present to the general public is indeed factual. further more I will add that this group has had some very questionable practices associated with it, seems they have quite a bit to hide.
this is why so many people are critical of earth first
We will continue to resist, and continue to help build this world-wide resistance to corporate fascism
- Shunka ,self proclaimed leader of NCEF and eco-avenger
the membership of earth first has the right to know what you have involved them in. and what actions are being taken in their name.
- Shunka ,self proclaimed leader of NCEF and eco-avenger
the membership of earth first has the right to know what you have involved them in. and what actions are being taken in their name.
EF! is an ideology not a membership based organization. people don't pay dues and vote yearly to elect some board of directors to sell them out. it's a belief, not some membership based organization as the mis-guided posters would have you believe.
stop trying to deter from the issues. remember when you point your finger at someone, there's a few pointing back at you......
stop trying to deter from the issues. remember when you point your finger at someone, there's a few pointing back at you......
I don't normally make a habit of responding to these ludicrous posts, but just wanted to make mention that someone has used my name to post things that I do not think nor did I say.
As moth said, "We can prevent many of these extinctions from occurring by changing our lifestyles and living more sustainable.. "
Let's not forget the real issue here. We ask 4 simple things:
1)Stop cutting old-growth
2)Stop clear-cutting
3) Stop using herbicides
4) Stop logging on steep and unstable slopes.
Rock on North Coast Earth First and all other forest defenders!
This will be my last comment, any other comments made in my name are not me.
In the spirit of the forest,
Rhea Green
SACRED
http://www.SacredRedwood.org
713-858-0074
As moth said, "We can prevent many of these extinctions from occurring by changing our lifestyles and living more sustainable.. "
Let's not forget the real issue here. We ask 4 simple things:
1)Stop cutting old-growth
2)Stop clear-cutting
3) Stop using herbicides
4) Stop logging on steep and unstable slopes.
Rock on North Coast Earth First and all other forest defenders!
This will be my last comment, any other comments made in my name are not me.
In the spirit of the forest,
Rhea Green
SACRED
http://www.SacredRedwood.org
713-858-0074
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