get educated

Funny, the ocean activists were claiming that most of our oxygen comes from ocean algae now, not our forests.

Yes, Im sure you can quote web sites ad nauseum. The problem is we cannot trust the "science" of people who continually demonstrate a refusal to critique their own side.

More oxygen comes from the ocean than from forests. But we need both. We also need the forests to act as climate regulators and CO2 sinks.

With 'progressive activism' like this, it is no wonder there is little meaningful in way of working out solutions to complex environmental, social and economic problems. People you have to try to move beyond your perspective to get something done. Hiding behind slogans and insider speak just leaves the rest of us wondering who spiked the bean sprouts.

we need to stop global warming and get a clean energy sorce that doesnot distroy the ozone.
clean power produced by mother earth, no chemical discharges into the air, or the sea. we can ease up on oil use. every body wins, we need to start using these alternative fuel sources to free our selves from big oil
(I am sure big oil wants to stop any other energy from coming on the market ) this is our chance to make the switch, to a New power source!
we cannot pollute the earth with oil for ever...we have to stop! and this is our chance.We need to go back to pro nuclear power, by far the cleanest of all flues! we can produce more power with less echo-disruption than any other available fuel source known today.

What we really need is for people to stop the piercing of helpless sausages. There are thousands of acres of sausages and bratwursts that get pierced each and every day, here in our own nation. Stop the percing. STOP THE PIERCING

Christine, old growth Redwood does not play any bigger part in the big scheme of things as you put it as any other tree. And what do you classify as being old growth? If you listen to Chunka-Shunka, his classification of an old growth is anything that is 6" and above in diameter. You then go on to say that there is other wood that can be used. Again, ask Chunka-Shunka, for he will tell you that you are wrong. And Chunka, if you are reading this, tell me why that there is clear cuts going on all around us, but for some reason you like PL trees? Do we have a better grade of lumber for you to sit in than the others?

it's not just the old-growth, it's logging on unstable slopes, clearcutting and herbicide use. the old-growth is only one issue that's being illustrated. and to tell someone that is working on a worthy issue that their wrong, sounds like an armchair activists if i've heard of one.

last I read, NCEF! had five demands to back off from the direct action. four are mentioned above.

Ancient forests are the planet's richest repository of biological diversity. They function as the "lungs of the planet," storing vast amounts of carbon whose release would accelerate global warming. Globally, more than half of all known species live in ancient forests, and a host of other species are indirectly dependent on forest habitats-including, for example, estuaries and wetlands fed by rivers that flow out of forests and require healthy forest ecosystems to maintain their integrity.

Corporate Welfare for Big Timber

The U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service-the federal agency responsible for managing America's National Forests under a "multiple-use" mandate-squanders millions of tax dollars annually in its illogical, inefficient timber sale program. In fiscal year 1998, the U.S. Treasury lost $126 million from logging in national forests, according to a report released in March 2001. While the Forest Service's timber sale program generated $546 million in FY 1998, it cost taxpayers $672 million to operate-resulting in a loss equivalent to about $2,200 in subsidy monies per timber job.

In the United States, irresponsible logging and logging in old-growth and roadless forest areas, cattle and sheep grazing, off-road vehicles and other forms of recreational overuse, including ski resort expansion and privatization, are severely fragmenting and degrading our national forests. Coupled with irrational forest policy-which makes neither economic nor environmental sense-and poor land and wildlife management by the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and other agencies, abuse of our forest legacy has precipitated a deforestation crisis that must be addressed now if are to preserve our last remaining wild forests.

Demand clean power

we need to stop global warming and get a clean energy source that doesn't destroy the ozone.
clean power produced by mother earth, no chemical discharges into the air, or the sea. we can ease up on oil use. every body wins, we need to start using these alternative fuel sources to free our selves from big oil
we cannot pollute the earth with oil for ever...we have to stop! .We need to go back to pro nuclear power, by far the cleanest of all flues! we can produce more power with less echo-disruption than any other available fuel source known today. support the governor's plan to rebuild the nuclear power system.
clean fuel, no smog, no carbondioxide
MOTHER EARTH WINS!

why's hurwitz's house still standing. well i'm told he shares his condo in a building with George W. Bush. yes, bushy boy our appointed prez lives across the hall or up a floor from Hurwitz. so I suspect that taking out that building would get ya a death penalty sentence in texas.

why is he still alive, cause this is a non-violent movement that believes in life, not suicide bombings.

as for the other points you make nessie ol boy, you have no idea what people's knowledge is or to what extent people work on other issues either globally or locally. asking for a 26 hour day so people can articulate everything they have worked on runs one into the ground. some need to work on smaller issues before they work the bigger picture(young actvists out of high school). it's also pretty damn hard to replace in our lifetime 1200-1400 year old trees. soo, anyone willing to get out of babylon and fight for the protiction of the ancient ones has got my support. may not not be all encompassing of tactics, but so what. they're out doing more than 98% of the rest of the amerikkkan population is.

as for focusing on headwaters. damn straight the enviro's got used and abused on that one. but those most knowledgable knew the headwaters deal was an outright scam. many people went to jail leading up to the headwaters scam. i do believe the tower bridge(sacramento) had several banner hangings pointing straight to the governors office. Gypsy lost his life the tuesday(9/17/98) before the state side of the headwaters scam was signed on a friday(9/20/98), while gypsy's death took the headlines next to feinstein and maxxm's cronies sucking the taxpayers for part of the monies maxscam got. hurwitz used the activists to jack the shit out of the price for that matchbook cover piece of 3200 acres. on the ground front line activists wanted 60,000 acres to ensure a viable redwoood ecosystem in humboldt county.

as to the timber industry being a part of the resource extraction system that's causing great eco harm, true probably. didn't read your position throughly. your condesending with arrogance makes it hard to read sometimes nessie. i'd suspect you'd have less enemies/critics if you'd show a little more respect for fellow humans who probably share similar politics and desire similar fates for the planet and its inhabitants. doesn't mean you share 100% ideas and politics, but those which you agree on, you can compliment or assist in deciminating information. respectful diaologue, not i'm better than you are nah nah nah...

in another thread, some guy posted information about the definition to Gypsy and what it means to the Roma people. it was in the context thread of David Chain who also had the forest name of Gypsy. forest names are used because of real life legal issues peeps face on the northcoast, whether it be criminal or civil. that guy explainging about Roma people and Gypsy was tactful and respectful with explaining some things historically, not bashing or saying your wrong for the way you do your activism or the usage of forest names.

Nessie: Whenever I browsed through IMC sites, San Francisco is my favorite mostly because of your creative skills with the English language and your understanding of history and issues. A bit of arrogance is often deserved towards comments that are idiotic.

Thanks for the good work and please don't change.

Peace.

Must I remind you idiots, TREES GROW BACK, that's why it's called a renewable resource. My god, get on with your lives people, trees grow back, we don't, enjoy and use all the resources you can while your here. Who really cares anyway?

by saving the endangered Hippo's of the north we Friday September 26, 2003 at 03:59 PM



saving the endangered Hippo's of the north west!

once Again
Gypsymoth has shown his astounding knowledge of the forest eco-system!
what have we been doing sitting in trees while the endangered Hippo's of the north west have gone unprotected! quick every one out to the forest to document the decline of this once proud species now on the verge of extinction!
gone is the day that tens of thousands of Humboldt free range forest hippo's roamed freely in the redwood forests of the north west American continent