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Israel Targets Iran for Bombing
Israel has ready a plan to bomb Iran's Bushehr nuclear-power plant should the Persian Gulf coast facility, now under construction, begin producing weapons-grade material, an insider tells us.
This source says Israel has mapped out a route its jet fighters would take to destroy what is designed to be a two-reactor plant. A successful strike would ensure that the radical Tehran regime does not develop nuclear weapons. Iran has tested 600-mile-range ballistic missiles that can reach Israel and carry nuclear, biological or chemical warheads.
Russia has signed an $800 million contract to provide two reactors for the plant near the port city of Bushehr. The United States opposes the deal, as well as any nuclear program in Iran.
Israeli F-16s penetrated Iraqi airspace in 1981 to bomb the Osiraq nuclear-power plant, at the Tuwaitha nuclear center near Baghdad. Analysts believe the action, while condemned by the international community, kept Saddam Hussein from acquiring the bomb.
U.S. Central Command has contingency plans for war with Iran, but there is no active discussion of invading a country that President Bush has put in the "axis of evil." Still, some in the Pentagon talk unofficially of what would be needed to take out the Bushehr plant.
© 2003 News World Communications, Inc.
Russia has signed an $800 million contract to provide two reactors for the plant near the port city of Bushehr. The United States opposes the deal, as well as any nuclear program in Iran.
Israeli F-16s penetrated Iraqi airspace in 1981 to bomb the Osiraq nuclear-power plant, at the Tuwaitha nuclear center near Baghdad. Analysts believe the action, while condemned by the international community, kept Saddam Hussein from acquiring the bomb.
U.S. Central Command has contingency plans for war with Iran, but there is no active discussion of invading a country that President Bush has put in the "axis of evil." Still, some in the Pentagon talk unofficially of what would be needed to take out the Bushehr plant.
© 2003 News World Communications, Inc.
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Then what happens?
How will they do that exactly? They can't reach Israel and if they could, since they already said they intend on nuking her, Israel is 100% in the right to rid the world of this threat.
Funny how the "progressives" have such a problem with countries with nukes unless of course they are dictatorships that want to use them against jews - real funny.
Funny how the "progressives" have such a problem with countries with nukes unless of course they are dictatorships that want to use them against jews - real funny.
how a year ago Israel was caught shipping weapons to the iranian regime in Germany- hamburg.
Google: "hamburg","ZIM" shipping company(which evacuated its offices from the WTC a week before the strike), and weapons shipment.
and complete the true puzzle/\
Google: "hamburg","ZIM" shipping company(which evacuated its offices from the WTC a week before the strike), and weapons shipment.
and complete the true puzzle/\
Iran would not have armaments if the united states didnot sell them weapons via Israel.
Both during the iran contra debacle and recently when a ship (ZIM) was caught in Germany en rout to the "antisemitic" Islamic regime.
It is obvious that they sold them weapons to appear on the defensive in a pre-emptive war.
Both during the iran contra debacle and recently when a ship (ZIM) was caught in Germany en rout to the "antisemitic" Islamic regime.
It is obvious that they sold them weapons to appear on the defensive in a pre-emptive war.
For saving the rest of us the nuisance of dealing with that idiotic post.
Appreciated.
Yawn.
Appreciated.
Yawn.
Hahaha, what?
I love how some of you are intent on twisting EVERY SINGLE THING allegedly involving Israel in a way that allows you to place blame for anything that DOES OR DOES NOT HAPPEN on Israel.
Evidence? Who needs evidence! That should be your motto.
If you want to deal with actual reality, instead of just the "blame every single thing humanly possible on Israel" thing, Iran, for a brief while, was considered the "lesser of two evils" in that part of the world. Unfortunately, as time as shown us, helping Iran, or helping Saddam, both proved to be lousy ideas.
It would be interesting if we could have an actual fact-based discussion here sometime, rather than just twisting every single topic and every single issue into a "blame Israel for what everyone else may or may not do" thing.
I love how some of you are intent on twisting EVERY SINGLE THING allegedly involving Israel in a way that allows you to place blame for anything that DOES OR DOES NOT HAPPEN on Israel.
Evidence? Who needs evidence! That should be your motto.
If you want to deal with actual reality, instead of just the "blame every single thing humanly possible on Israel" thing, Iran, for a brief while, was considered the "lesser of two evils" in that part of the world. Unfortunately, as time as shown us, helping Iran, or helping Saddam, both proved to be lousy ideas.
It would be interesting if we could have an actual fact-based discussion here sometime, rather than just twisting every single topic and every single issue into a "blame Israel for what everyone else may or may not do" thing.
Yes Hamburg, ZIM, Mossad, 9/11, put them all together and what have you got? Nothing but the idiotic ranting of the IMC crowd - You idiots need to realize the reason why you don't get laid is not a Zionist plot to keep you celibate and angry - it's because you are morons and it is as obvious as the nose on your respective faces.
"Israel to bomb Iran Nuke Facility"? from your mouth to god's ears.
"Israel to bomb Iran Nuke Facility"? from your mouth to god's ears.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
If you only knew.
If you only knew.
So Hahaha (is that all of them??) says to us:
"Evidence? Who needs evidence? That should be your motto".
Sorry, lad. That can't be "OUR" motto. That IS the Israeli Government and the IDF's motto!
I do not see why Iran needs a nuclear-power plant or nuclear weapons. this country is so unstable that the idea is un-thinkable. if Israel doesnot take them out then we should.
Angie,
Your statement above was BRILLIANT! Did it take you a long time to think that up? Brushing aside the points, it was AMAZING that you were able to rise from the woodwork to make a totally idiotic, useless point! Way to go! YOu're a smart one!
Your statement above was BRILLIANT! Did it take you a long time to think that up? Brushing aside the points, it was AMAZING that you were able to rise from the woodwork to make a totally idiotic, useless point! Way to go! YOu're a smart one!
Over time, I've been thinking about what Angie, A Concerned Zionist, and JA have had to say. Except for JA's remarks above, I have come to competely agree with him! (I don't even agree with my mom on everything!) I've read and read and, at last, I've finally come to understand. How could Zionists ever morally hold the complete double standards they propagate in IMC?
What are you saying, gehrig! Don't leave me behind! I'm tired of A Concerned Zionist, Angie, bev, JA, nessie, CFB, etc., making me look like a fool! I'm with you now!
See? Look, all we're saying is that Israel needs to let palestinians flood into the country, hamas can then murder the jews and chase them away, israel can be broken up and become totally fair and equal for all and HEY, the jews may get wiped out and the jewish state would no longer exist, and THAT"S what's FAIR for all sides!
Thanks, hahaha.
I surprised myself. When I read that original comment by you there, I couldn't stop grinning. Guess it has something to do with the "hahaha" bit!!
Poor laddie! You really fell into that one, didn't you?
Now next time you wish to make a statement, make sure you don't leave yourself open to people coming out "of the woodwork".
I'd love to stay around the Board this evening and exchange nasties with you, but I've got to get back to work. It's been fun, as always, but please remember, as someone once said, if you put both feet in your mouth at the same time, you won't have a leg to stand on!! Giggle!!!
PS It's difficult to be angry with someone who signs himself "hahaha". Carry on, lad! Scottie will be on the Board later, I'm sure, so go tease him for a while. I'll drop by later and see what you're up to!
Look, bottom line, when arabs attack israel, it's israel's fault! When Israel attacks arabs, it's israel's fault! When israel withdraws from palestinian towns and palestinians respond by attacking israel more and more, well obviously that's israel's fault. When israel takes additional military control after being attacked, it's israel's fault. Israel is wrong! It's all israel's fault! I'm being FAIR AND LOGICAL AND HONEST, why can't you see it?
What gets me about these zionists is that they appear to have no problem typing truthful reality based on facts and a balanced perspective and then demand that we be realistic when responding! What nerve! Oh my, heavens to betsy!
Scottie, gehrig! What's the matter with you guys! JA finally says something ("this threat is un-thinkable.") that I agree with and you wimp-asses 'turn native'! I say that we should nuke Iran, nuke Iraq, nuke 'em all! If you two don't have the belly for it, I'll nuke you too! I'm ready to kiss JA right on the middle of his black Mandingo ass, before I would ever stand with you two again!
What right do jews have to a jewish nation? It must be abolished?
Now, of course, muslims have about 20 muslim nations, many of which were established in the exact same way israel was (by force, and/or by a greater power handing them land, and/or by settling and developing communities that eventually became a nation), but I still insist we single out the jews, errr, the zionists, give muslims a free pass, and then insult anyone who calls us anti-semitic for doing so!
Now, of course, muslims have about 20 muslim nations, many of which were established in the exact same way israel was (by force, and/or by a greater power handing them land, and/or by settling and developing communities that eventually became a nation), but I still insist we single out the jews, errr, the zionists, give muslims a free pass, and then insult anyone who calls us anti-semitic for doing so!
Someone is being naughty.
Gehrig would NEVER submit a post without his signature trademark.
Gehrig would NEVER mention "Angie" (that's me) in his posts because, as he pointed out bravely, he finds them "too boring" to read. (And here I was under the impression I was the life of the Board, giggle!) That brought about an uproarious response from Concerned Zionist, who, incidentally, is mentioned in the above captioned note as well..
As for JA, if he wrote that post above, I'll walk on water all the way to Iran!.
So, hey, cut it out!
Incidentally where is Abraham these days? Where is the chap who signed himself with an exclamation mark?
WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
In any event, I didn't write the post above.
Yes, I sent off the one to Hahaha, and somewhere there should be another one re the imposter, but that's it.
Although someone has one hell of a wicked sense of humor!
Yes, I sent off the one to Hahaha, and somewhere there should be another one re the imposter, but that's it.
Although someone has one hell of a wicked sense of humor!
I say NUKE the Persians, NUKE the Ay-rabs, NUKE the Muslims, NUKE the Christians (they've been nothing but trouble too!), NUKE the Asiatics (before they come after us too), NUKE the darkies, NUKE the shikses, like Angie, and the sheykets, like JA, and DOUBLE NUKE the anti-Zionist so-called Jews.
So what if Israel was the first to introduce a couple hundred nuclear weapons into the Middle East!? So what if we started EVERY war between us and an Arab country, in ALL our neighbors' countries, except the '73 War, when two or three Arab countries had the audacity to try to get back some of the land we stole from them in war!?
I'm tired of these moral debates and being nailed on our Zionist double standards! It's finally OUR turn to oppress!
If they don't like it, FUCKIN' NUKE 'EM ALLLLL...!!!!!
Then we Zionists will finally have The Promised Land!
So what if Israel was the first to introduce a couple hundred nuclear weapons into the Middle East!? So what if we started EVERY war between us and an Arab country, in ALL our neighbors' countries, except the '73 War, when two or three Arab countries had the audacity to try to get back some of the land we stole from them in war!?
I'm tired of these moral debates and being nailed on our Zionist double standards! It's finally OUR turn to oppress!
If they don't like it, FUCKIN' NUKE 'EM ALLLLL...!!!!!
Then we Zionists will finally have The Promised Land!
Okay, I admit, it's hard for me to keep up with and stay focused on anything intellectual and morally consistent. Especially by someone as brilliant as you, Angie. THERE...! I said it...! SATISFIED...!?
I can't remember the signature trademark all the time! It's hard enough for me to keep up with my Zionist double standards and not get caught, again, by you, nessie, JA, bev, A Concerned Zionists, etc!
Why do you have to be so picky, Angie? So, HERE! Do you believe me now?:
gehrig
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I can't remember the signature trademark all the time! It's hard enough for me to keep up with my Zionist double standards and not get caught, again, by you, nessie, JA, bev, A Concerned Zionists, etc!
Why do you have to be so picky, Angie? So, HERE! Do you believe me now?:
gehrig
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"Do you believe me now?"
NOOOO!
You are certainly not Gehrig! Trademark or not!!
NOOOO!
You are certainly not Gehrig! Trademark or not!!
...I'll only believe you if you give JA a wee kiss on the bum. You have to get Scottie to do so too. Then you and Scottie have to kiss me on the BOTTOM of my foot, after I rub it in some dirt first; I don't want your germs right on me, not even on the bottom of my foot! Then I'll rub my foot off on the grass and spray it with Lysol. Only then will you have partly redeemed yourself, okay?
Angie in total disbelief!: "As for JA, if he wrote that post above ("this threat is un-thinkable", 02:12PM), I'll walk on water all the way to Iran!."
JA: Well, I said it Angie! SO THERE!! START WALKING!!
JA: Well, I said it Angie! SO THERE!! START WALKING!!
I wish people would for these insane posts. I did not write this,even though it is turning me on...no! what I mean is well auhh...
don't use my name and post things I wish I had posted! I hate it when people make me sound like they post when they say what I wish I said when they said what they thought I really meant! OK!
don't use my name and post things I wish I had posted! I hate it when people make me sound like they post when they say what I wish I said when they said what they thought I really meant! OK!
I did not write this note to Gehrig! Geez!
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Wow! Now we're getting into the "real Angie". (That's not fair!) Someone seems to know my pattern well! I wonder!
Whatever. I'm not about to spend the evening denying posts attributed to myself.
And as for JA and the above post, prove it!
I've got more important things to do than start walking to Iran on water -- hmm (to use Scottie's most used word) -- which way would I go? Across the Atlantic to Ireland, and then where? Hell, let me get my Atlas! Hey, can I just stay in Scotland once I conquer the Atlantic? Let hahaha go to Iran.
Seriously, folks, leave me out of the mix here. I've got to head on to work, so whatever you say, IF YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING KIND, BE VAGUE!!
If you are the true angie then post a picture to prove it!
who do we know which one is real?
who do we know which one is real?
Angie, don't let all those Zionist KOOKS get you upset! Forget JA! He's gone to THE DARK SIDE. I'll be your friend!
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"If you are the true angie then post a picture to prove it!" This was just my sly way to get your picture. I've got a crush on you and I want to frame your picture on my table. I LOVE the way you handle those kooky Zionist guys!
Can I tag along with you and gehrig? That's what I've been all along in my life anyway. A suck-up tag-along! I'll kiss both your foot bottoms and lick out any toe jam too! (I'll bring Lysol for you to spritz off your feet afterwards.)
Yeah, forget JA. You see what he posted above! And you didn't believe it!
Yeah, forget JA. You see what he posted above! And you didn't believe it!
Okay, okay! You two quit verbally slobbering on me! Gehrig, you can be my new friend and, Scottie, you can tag along. (After you two kiss the bottom of my foot. Bring the Lysol.) JA, you can take a hike!
Angie, you think those ZIONIST IMPOSTERS will EVER learn their lesson???
After reading all of the above, I don't much care, really, which is a damn good thing, isn't it? I simply don't much care.
None of the above posts made in my name are real.
What's more, I think I'm going to drop off this site for a while, until some of y'all do some growing up. It's not as bad as IMC-Palestine on the juvenalia quotient, but it's getting closer all the time.
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What's more, I think I'm going to drop off this site for a while, until some of y'all do some growing up. It's not as bad as IMC-Palestine on the juvenalia quotient, but it's getting closer all the time.
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These people who don't want Israel to die have SINISTER plans, like trying to keep Israel safe and not wanting holocaust 2 to occur! THE NERVE!
Israel want to Bomb Iran and we think it is O.K.????
Something is wrong here…
Look at all the WMD that Israel has….
CLICK HERE > http://www.msnbc.com/news/wld/graphics/strategic_israel_dw.htm
How can we expect the Nations in that part of the World to not have any Weapons as a deterrent or for self-defense???
Especially since these Nations are watching as Israel Confiscates Palestinian land and demolishes Palestinian Homes and puts up walls or fences, so that the Palestinian People cannot get around and Israel is slowly taking all their land so the Palestinians cannot have their small State on this small 22% of the Area that is Israel, West Bank, and Gaza there by making the Wonderful Road Map almost worthless….
Can you Blame Iran for wanting to Protect itself, knowing what happens to you if you do not have this Military Protection???
Something is wrong here…
Look at all the WMD that Israel has….
CLICK HERE > http://www.msnbc.com/news/wld/graphics/strategic_israel_dw.htm
How can we expect the Nations in that part of the World to not have any Weapons as a deterrent or for self-defense???
Especially since these Nations are watching as Israel Confiscates Palestinian land and demolishes Palestinian Homes and puts up walls or fences, so that the Palestinian People cannot get around and Israel is slowly taking all their land so the Palestinians cannot have their small State on this small 22% of the Area that is Israel, West Bank, and Gaza there by making the Wonderful Road Map almost worthless….
Can you Blame Iran for wanting to Protect itself, knowing what happens to you if you do not have this Military Protection???
Guess some people have nothing better to do than to continue on with this charade.
The above post was certainly not mine, and if anyone thinks I'm entertained, think again.
When it comes to "protecting" oneself these days, it would appear that the monopoly rests with the US and Israel. I don't see anyone rushing to the aid of the Palestinians to offer protection from the massive weaponry of the IDF and the daily assaults. When was the last time anyone tried to protect a Palestinian from a misslle attack? A defenceless member of the ISM, no doubt!
Ye'ah, see those international peacekeepers rush to their aid!
Is there anyone to help the Palestinian and the ISM workers who are trying to show the World what Israel is really doing???
How can the U.S. who is for Human Rights and Freedom and Justice for all just sit by and do nothing???
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has said more then once he would like to see U.S. observers on the Ground so that they can see what Israel is really doing...
Just recently I saw where Hanan Ashrawi said a third party is needed to bring about a peaceful resolution to the conflict...
How many Palestinian People has Israel killed or injured in just the past couple weeks..
How Brave they are....dropping Bombs on crowded streets from the safety of the cockpit of their Apache Helicopters??? To have Peace in the Middle East we need that Palestinian State where the Palestinian People can live with freedom and in Peace..
How can the U.S. who is for Human Rights and Freedom and Justice for all just sit by and do nothing???
Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has said more then once he would like to see U.S. observers on the Ground so that they can see what Israel is really doing...
Just recently I saw where Hanan Ashrawi said a third party is needed to bring about a peaceful resolution to the conflict...
How many Palestinian People has Israel killed or injured in just the past couple weeks..
How Brave they are....dropping Bombs on crowded streets from the safety of the cockpit of their Apache Helicopters??? To have Peace in the Middle East we need that Palestinian State where the Palestinian People can live with freedom and in Peace..
ANGEL, for once - just for once - could you stop uttering mindless idiotic moon bat rants and otherwise nonsense?
gehrig: "What's more, I think I'm going to drop off this site for a while..."
...there is a silver lining!
...there is a silver lining!
GERIG, WHY DON'T YOU TUG THEIR CHAINS HARD AND *HEEL* YOUR ZIONIST CHUMS!?
Although it goes without saying...
by gehrig Tuesday September 02, 2003 at 09:09 PM:
gehrig: "None of the above posts made in my name are real.
What's more, I think I'm going to drop off this site for a while, until some of y'all do some growing up."
Gehrig, does this mean that you're EVER going to criticize your Zionist chums for starting this impersonation shit on SF-IMC and get them to stop? Since you are the senior right-wing Zionist on these boards, maybe you can persuade your chums to stop. You can tell them that it's to their OWN - and most of all, with your ego, YOUR - [smile] - benefit.
If gehrig is not up to the job, then maybe one of you other Zionist idiots is. Scottie?: You being the intellectually weakest one, maybe you can show up gehrig and the others here.
YOUR ZIONIST ILK ARE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN PLAY THIS GAME! AND ANTI-ZIONISTS - HAVING THE SUPERIOR INTELLECT AND WIT - CAN PLAY THE GAME BETTER!
Although it goes without saying...
by gehrig Tuesday September 02, 2003 at 09:09 PM:
gehrig: "None of the above posts made in my name are real.
What's more, I think I'm going to drop off this site for a while, until some of y'all do some growing up."
Gehrig, does this mean that you're EVER going to criticize your Zionist chums for starting this impersonation shit on SF-IMC and get them to stop? Since you are the senior right-wing Zionist on these boards, maybe you can persuade your chums to stop. You can tell them that it's to their OWN - and most of all, with your ego, YOUR - [smile] - benefit.
If gehrig is not up to the job, then maybe one of you other Zionist idiots is. Scottie?: You being the intellectually weakest one, maybe you can show up gehrig and the others here.
YOUR ZIONIST ILK ARE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN PLAY THIS GAME! AND ANTI-ZIONISTS - HAVING THE SUPERIOR INTELLECT AND WIT - CAN PLAY THE GAME BETTER!
2 simple points:
1) i know the anti semitic scumbags (Hi Angie!) think using the term "Zionist" is an insult - it is not. It is an honor.
2) "Israel started all of the wars (but in 73) and introduced nukes to the ME....." - 1) you are an ahistorical asshole who really needs to read more and post less and 2) Israel has arguably had nukes since the late 60's early 70's: They have used exactly none of them. If Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any of the Arab countries had a nuke how long do you think it would have been from time of producing it to dropping it on Tel Aviv? And to the IMC dumbfucks that would have been Israel's fault too, right?
Why don't you guys who are so worried about Israel hitting Iran's nuke faciltiy go there and become a vaunted "human shield" -- really i think that is an excellent idea - that way when the IAF does take out the mad mullahs nuke plans they can help clean up the gene pool as well.
1) i know the anti semitic scumbags (Hi Angie!) think using the term "Zionist" is an insult - it is not. It is an honor.
2) "Israel started all of the wars (but in 73) and introduced nukes to the ME....." - 1) you are an ahistorical asshole who really needs to read more and post less and 2) Israel has arguably had nukes since the late 60's early 70's: They have used exactly none of them. If Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or any of the Arab countries had a nuke how long do you think it would have been from time of producing it to dropping it on Tel Aviv? And to the IMC dumbfucks that would have been Israel's fault too, right?
Why don't you guys who are so worried about Israel hitting Iran's nuke faciltiy go there and become a vaunted "human shield" -- really i think that is an excellent idea - that way when the IAF does take out the mad mullahs nuke plans they can help clean up the gene pool as well.
Two points:
1) Well, certainly you got an appropriate "title". No brain just about covers it.
2) "I know the anti semitic scumbags (Hi Angie!) think using the term "Zionist" is an insult - it is not. It's an honor".
You're wasting your time accusing me of using the term "Zionist". I don't. The only time I use the odious word is when I'm addressing my dear "Concerned Zionist".
As for addressing me as "an anti semitic scumbag", let's see you document that accusation NOW!! I realize you are without a brain, sir, but please attempt it. If you can throw out insults, you should be able to back them up with concrete evidence of same. So go to it.
Let's see you do it or shut the hell up. Leave me out of your pathetic musings, and get a real life like the rest of us.
McNobrain [how apt]: "2 simple points:"
UH NO: 2 simple points for someone with one simple no brain!
McNobrain [how apt]: "i know the Zionist scumbag (Hi UH NO!) think using the term "Zionist" is an insult - it is not. It is an honor."
UH NO: You dirrrty ZZZIONISSSTTT!! Notice how there's almost a nasty spit at the end when you pronounce it appropriately.
>UH NO: "Israel started all of the wars (but in 73) and introduced nukes to the ME....."
McNobrain [how apt]: " you [What are we Zionists waiting for!? by UH NO Tuesday September 02, 2003 at 04:11 PM] are an ahistorical asshole who really needs to read more and post less "
UH NO: OH YEAH?
You attack ME!? A fellow Zionist! You Nobrain Nitwit!!
Let's see...
1947: A series of attacks and massacres on Palestinian civilians - including the infamous massacre at Deir Yassin - ethnically cleanse over 750,000 Palestinians to flee in terror. These refugees are never allowed to return, despite UN resolutions which mandate their return, repatriation, and compensation by the Israeli government.
1948: the first one was Israel's so-called "the 1948 War of Independence" - the propaganda name for Israel's "the 1948 War of Immediate Expansion." This is where Israel claims it was attacked, using the now absolutely discredited claim that Arab nations radioed messages to the Palestinians that they should leave Palestine while poor little Israel was going to be wiped out. Israeli Jewish Middle Eastern History Professor Benny Morris, of Ben Gurion University ["Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001", Knopf,1999; also, "and The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949", Cambridge University Press, 1989] has totally debunked that propaganda claim of Israel's. In fact, partititioned Israel was NEVER attacked. Several Arab nations attempted to move into unpartitioned Israel to secure control of areas of Palestine allotted to the Arabs under the UN partition plan, before Israel goebbeled - er - gobbled up more in its desire for more labensraum for Ze Greater Isra-el! (In fact, it is now well-known that King Abdullah of Transjordan had a secret agreement with Gold Meir not to attack partitioned Israel.)
This is when Israel, with its superior military - Israel was no "David" (contrary to its propaganda) - thanks, directly or indirectly, to the Western Allies - defeated the Arab armies and instead of 30% of Palestine's population, Jewish, being given 56% of the Palestinian's land in the Western partition, 30% of Palestine's population, Jewish, geobbeled - er - gobbled up *77%* of the land of Palestine for greater labensraum, driving off and ethnically cleansing some 750,000+ indigenous Palestinians, forcing 70% of the population, Palestinian Arabs, into 23% of the land!
1954: "The Lavon Affair". Israel posing as Arabs (ONCE AGAIN, as Zionists did in the 1946 12-story King David Hotel bombing and collapse in Jerusalem) bomb several U.S. diplomatic buildings in Egypt. Some of the agents were from Israel, while others were recruited FROM THE LOCAL JEWISH POPULATION. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by - GUESS WHAT!? - "ANTI-SEMITES" (IT'S SUCH A USEFUL SLUR)!
1956: "The 1956 War" or "The Suez Crisis" or "The Zionist-Imperialist Conspiracy". This is when Israel secretly conspired with with the imperialists Britain and France to attack Egypt and capture most of the Sinai. Britain and France would therefore come in under the guise of a separating peace-keeping force and sit on the canal. Under this pretext, the Suez canal would be taken, so to speak, from Egypt and returned to Anglo-French imperialist control. The British would also militarily attack other Egyptian sites.
This military conspiracy plan was kept secret from U.S. President Eisenhower, and when he found out, he was FURIOUS! He, in effect, said, look, the *U.S.* is TOP DOG in the post-WWII world! You guys don't do *anything* without telling me! Now, get your asses out, before I freeze all your assets in the U.S. and put sanctions on you! (This is before the days when the Zionist lobby critically controlled U.S. foreign policy in Palestine.)
1967: Once again (as in 1956) using the pretext - in another military land grab - that Israel was under imminent attack (another propaganda line that no less than the proud Menachim Begin has since debunked), Israel attacked Egypt AGAIN and Syria, Jordan, and Iraq! Israel grabbed the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights (which, especially, Israeli agricultural interests had covetted for a long time, and perhaps also for water resources; but the pretext was that Israel needed 'the high ground' for military purposes - later also admitted as false).
1967: So bold, Israel, trying to pose as Egyptians, even attacks a U.S. military vessel - and gets away with it! The ship was shot up and torpedoed, 34 sailors were killed and 174 were seriously wounded. The U.S. government covered up the incident which has not come to limited public awareness, thanks in major part to the Zionist lobby, until recent years.
1973: Egypt, Syria, and Jordan try to take back and militarily squat on their land - originally taken by Israel - in a too-losely coordinated attack, each for their own respective reasons, having nothing to do with actually defeating Israel. Israel eventually defeats them, but Egypt eventually wins back the Sinai in a peace agreement - in a multibillion-dollar payoff to Egypt (of course, Israel got even much much more) - brokered primarily by the U.S..
1978: (see 1982)
1982: Israel invades virtually all of Lebanon (again using the pretext of 'destroying fedayeen bases from which terrorist attacks had been launched') with the real purpose of obliterating the PLO, in the process indiscriminately massacring some 20,000 - mostly civilian - Lebanese people. (Notably, in Beirut, Israel completely destroys a *twin towers* building, collapsing it to the ground!) Israel indiscriminately destroys apartment buildings, fires missiles at ambulances they can *see* carry nothing but wounded, women and children, Israel even destroys hospitals! We all know about Sabra and Shatilla, orchestrated by "the Butcher of Beirut", 'Sharon the Hun'.This was actually the 2nd time Israel invaded Lebanon (the first time was in 1978, with all the usual indiscriminate attacks). If the pretext was 'to destroy fedayeen bases from which terrorist attacks had come', Israel *miserably* failed. The Lebanese resistance group, Hezbollah, attacked Israel inside southern lebanon and drove the bastards out.
Israel has actually attacked more of its neighbors than Saddam Hussein (at least Saddam always got permission from the U.S. first[!], even in the U.S. double-cross in Saddam's invasion of the dictatorial Kuwait). Israel also "brutally oppresses it own people", inasmuch as the Kurds are Saddam's "own people". Israel has also gassed "it's own people", in the sense that Israel has used mysterious forms of "tear gas" before. Almost everything that Saddam has done, including all the atrocities, Israel/Sharon (in its/his own way) has done too. (And Iraq under Saddam was, unlike Israel, a totally secular state.) So, why doesn't the U.S. invade Israel?
1987: The first Intifada begins after Israel forces the closure of Bier Zeit University. Palestinians within Israel hold Equality Day, which is enacted with large-scale strikes. The Israelis respond with excessive force including firing at stone-throwers and non-violent demonstrators, uprooting 25,000 olive trees, and demolishing 584 homes.
2000: Later, as Angie aptly put it, Sharon and his thugs, about 1,000 of them, would march on Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Temple Mount, so that he "could go pray" (perhaps to atone for his many atrocities?) in a move any credible political analyst (including Holocaust survivor and U.S. Council of Foreign Relations senior analayst Henry Seigman) saw as at least provoking the 2nd Intifadah and, sometimes, even the suicide/martyr bombers. Actually it was Sharon's troops INDISCRIMINATELY firing on unarmed Palestinian demostrators, though a few teenagers may have been throwing stones, killing and wounding many that really started "the 2nd Intifadah", sometimes called "the Al-Aqsa Intifadah". It is widely regarded that Sharon also provoked other suicide bombers, when, for example in November of 2001(?) ended a general 1 week "cease fire" demanded by Sharon as a condition for negotiations, tacitly agreed to by all PLO factions (especially Hamas). The cease fire actually went on for about 3 or 4 weeks(!), before Sharon ended it with the assassination of a major Hamas leader. Sharon couldn't let the cease fire be a success now! Bus bombings ensued.
All of these military aggressions by Israel are used to ethnically cleanse more Palestinians and take more Palestinian homes/land. The Nazi program for this against the Jews was called "ethnic hygiene".
Poor little Israel!
Makes one wonder why the French official referred to Israel as "that shitty little country".
McNobrain [how apt]: "Israel has arguably had nukes since the late 60's early 70's: They have used exactly none of them."
UH NO: I didn't say that Israel ever *used* nukes - you Nobrain Nitwit! I said that Israel was the *first* to *introduce* nuclear weapons into the Middle East. The U.S. probably could have kept ALL nuclear weapons from being introduced into the Middle East. But what did it expect other Mideast countries to do, once the U.S. *LET* Israel - a clear military adversary (overtly and covertly) of Arabs - develop nuclear weapons? (Speaking of adversaries, I won't mention the now well-known U.S. CIA overthrow of democratic Iran in 1953.)
By the way, anyone can look all this stuff up on the non-Zionist internet, especially on non-Zionst internet sites, although you may have to read between the lines and euphemisms on American corporate news (like CNN's) - and of course Zionist - websites. You don't need to take either mine or McNobrain's [how apt] word for it. Now, take your Nobrain head out of your ass and learn something! YOU ZZZIONISSSTTT!!
(Hi Angie! I'll be getting back to you - I haven't forgotten - 'on the other line'! If gehrig won't have you, I will! [Smile!] I left THE DARK SIDE! I just had to straighten this Nobrain fool out! I take many forms! Until then..., May "The Force" for global justice be with you! Go & Do Peace.)
UH NO: 2 simple points for someone with one simple no brain!
McNobrain [how apt]: "i know the Zionist scumbag (Hi UH NO!) think using the term "Zionist" is an insult - it is not. It is an honor."
UH NO: You dirrrty ZZZIONISSSTTT!! Notice how there's almost a nasty spit at the end when you pronounce it appropriately.
>UH NO: "Israel started all of the wars (but in 73) and introduced nukes to the ME....."
McNobrain [how apt]: " you [What are we Zionists waiting for!? by UH NO Tuesday September 02, 2003 at 04:11 PM] are an ahistorical asshole who really needs to read more and post less "
UH NO: OH YEAH?
You attack ME!? A fellow Zionist! You Nobrain Nitwit!!
Let's see...
1947: A series of attacks and massacres on Palestinian civilians - including the infamous massacre at Deir Yassin - ethnically cleanse over 750,000 Palestinians to flee in terror. These refugees are never allowed to return, despite UN resolutions which mandate their return, repatriation, and compensation by the Israeli government.
1948: the first one was Israel's so-called "the 1948 War of Independence" - the propaganda name for Israel's "the 1948 War of Immediate Expansion." This is where Israel claims it was attacked, using the now absolutely discredited claim that Arab nations radioed messages to the Palestinians that they should leave Palestine while poor little Israel was going to be wiped out. Israeli Jewish Middle Eastern History Professor Benny Morris, of Ben Gurion University ["Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001", Knopf,1999; also, "and The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949", Cambridge University Press, 1989] has totally debunked that propaganda claim of Israel's. In fact, partititioned Israel was NEVER attacked. Several Arab nations attempted to move into unpartitioned Israel to secure control of areas of Palestine allotted to the Arabs under the UN partition plan, before Israel goebbeled - er - gobbled up more in its desire for more labensraum for Ze Greater Isra-el! (In fact, it is now well-known that King Abdullah of Transjordan had a secret agreement with Gold Meir not to attack partitioned Israel.)
This is when Israel, with its superior military - Israel was no "David" (contrary to its propaganda) - thanks, directly or indirectly, to the Western Allies - defeated the Arab armies and instead of 30% of Palestine's population, Jewish, being given 56% of the Palestinian's land in the Western partition, 30% of Palestine's population, Jewish, geobbeled - er - gobbled up *77%* of the land of Palestine for greater labensraum, driving off and ethnically cleansing some 750,000+ indigenous Palestinians, forcing 70% of the population, Palestinian Arabs, into 23% of the land!
1954: "The Lavon Affair". Israel posing as Arabs (ONCE AGAIN, as Zionists did in the 1946 12-story King David Hotel bombing and collapse in Jerusalem) bomb several U.S. diplomatic buildings in Egypt. Some of the agents were from Israel, while others were recruited FROM THE LOCAL JEWISH POPULATION. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by - GUESS WHAT!? - "ANTI-SEMITES" (IT'S SUCH A USEFUL SLUR)!
1956: "The 1956 War" or "The Suez Crisis" or "The Zionist-Imperialist Conspiracy". This is when Israel secretly conspired with with the imperialists Britain and France to attack Egypt and capture most of the Sinai. Britain and France would therefore come in under the guise of a separating peace-keeping force and sit on the canal. Under this pretext, the Suez canal would be taken, so to speak, from Egypt and returned to Anglo-French imperialist control. The British would also militarily attack other Egyptian sites.
This military conspiracy plan was kept secret from U.S. President Eisenhower, and when he found out, he was FURIOUS! He, in effect, said, look, the *U.S.* is TOP DOG in the post-WWII world! You guys don't do *anything* without telling me! Now, get your asses out, before I freeze all your assets in the U.S. and put sanctions on you! (This is before the days when the Zionist lobby critically controlled U.S. foreign policy in Palestine.)
1967: Once again (as in 1956) using the pretext - in another military land grab - that Israel was under imminent attack (another propaganda line that no less than the proud Menachim Begin has since debunked), Israel attacked Egypt AGAIN and Syria, Jordan, and Iraq! Israel grabbed the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights (which, especially, Israeli agricultural interests had covetted for a long time, and perhaps also for water resources; but the pretext was that Israel needed 'the high ground' for military purposes - later also admitted as false).
1967: So bold, Israel, trying to pose as Egyptians, even attacks a U.S. military vessel - and gets away with it! The ship was shot up and torpedoed, 34 sailors were killed and 174 were seriously wounded. The U.S. government covered up the incident which has not come to limited public awareness, thanks in major part to the Zionist lobby, until recent years.
1973: Egypt, Syria, and Jordan try to take back and militarily squat on their land - originally taken by Israel - in a too-losely coordinated attack, each for their own respective reasons, having nothing to do with actually defeating Israel. Israel eventually defeats them, but Egypt eventually wins back the Sinai in a peace agreement - in a multibillion-dollar payoff to Egypt (of course, Israel got even much much more) - brokered primarily by the U.S..
1978: (see 1982)
1982: Israel invades virtually all of Lebanon (again using the pretext of 'destroying fedayeen bases from which terrorist attacks had been launched') with the real purpose of obliterating the PLO, in the process indiscriminately massacring some 20,000 - mostly civilian - Lebanese people. (Notably, in Beirut, Israel completely destroys a *twin towers* building, collapsing it to the ground!) Israel indiscriminately destroys apartment buildings, fires missiles at ambulances they can *see* carry nothing but wounded, women and children, Israel even destroys hospitals! We all know about Sabra and Shatilla, orchestrated by "the Butcher of Beirut", 'Sharon the Hun'.This was actually the 2nd time Israel invaded Lebanon (the first time was in 1978, with all the usual indiscriminate attacks). If the pretext was 'to destroy fedayeen bases from which terrorist attacks had come', Israel *miserably* failed. The Lebanese resistance group, Hezbollah, attacked Israel inside southern lebanon and drove the bastards out.
Israel has actually attacked more of its neighbors than Saddam Hussein (at least Saddam always got permission from the U.S. first[!], even in the U.S. double-cross in Saddam's invasion of the dictatorial Kuwait). Israel also "brutally oppresses it own people", inasmuch as the Kurds are Saddam's "own people". Israel has also gassed "it's own people", in the sense that Israel has used mysterious forms of "tear gas" before. Almost everything that Saddam has done, including all the atrocities, Israel/Sharon (in its/his own way) has done too. (And Iraq under Saddam was, unlike Israel, a totally secular state.) So, why doesn't the U.S. invade Israel?
1987: The first Intifada begins after Israel forces the closure of Bier Zeit University. Palestinians within Israel hold Equality Day, which is enacted with large-scale strikes. The Israelis respond with excessive force including firing at stone-throwers and non-violent demonstrators, uprooting 25,000 olive trees, and demolishing 584 homes.
2000: Later, as Angie aptly put it, Sharon and his thugs, about 1,000 of them, would march on Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Temple Mount, so that he "could go pray" (perhaps to atone for his many atrocities?) in a move any credible political analyst (including Holocaust survivor and U.S. Council of Foreign Relations senior analayst Henry Seigman) saw as at least provoking the 2nd Intifadah and, sometimes, even the suicide/martyr bombers. Actually it was Sharon's troops INDISCRIMINATELY firing on unarmed Palestinian demostrators, though a few teenagers may have been throwing stones, killing and wounding many that really started "the 2nd Intifadah", sometimes called "the Al-Aqsa Intifadah". It is widely regarded that Sharon also provoked other suicide bombers, when, for example in November of 2001(?) ended a general 1 week "cease fire" demanded by Sharon as a condition for negotiations, tacitly agreed to by all PLO factions (especially Hamas). The cease fire actually went on for about 3 or 4 weeks(!), before Sharon ended it with the assassination of a major Hamas leader. Sharon couldn't let the cease fire be a success now! Bus bombings ensued.
All of these military aggressions by Israel are used to ethnically cleanse more Palestinians and take more Palestinian homes/land. The Nazi program for this against the Jews was called "ethnic hygiene".
Poor little Israel!
Makes one wonder why the French official referred to Israel as "that shitty little country".
McNobrain [how apt]: "Israel has arguably had nukes since the late 60's early 70's: They have used exactly none of them."
UH NO: I didn't say that Israel ever *used* nukes - you Nobrain Nitwit! I said that Israel was the *first* to *introduce* nuclear weapons into the Middle East. The U.S. probably could have kept ALL nuclear weapons from being introduced into the Middle East. But what did it expect other Mideast countries to do, once the U.S. *LET* Israel - a clear military adversary (overtly and covertly) of Arabs - develop nuclear weapons? (Speaking of adversaries, I won't mention the now well-known U.S. CIA overthrow of democratic Iran in 1953.)
By the way, anyone can look all this stuff up on the non-Zionist internet, especially on non-Zionst internet sites, although you may have to read between the lines and euphemisms on American corporate news (like CNN's) - and of course Zionist - websites. You don't need to take either mine or McNobrain's [how apt] word for it. Now, take your Nobrain head out of your ass and learn something! YOU ZZZIONISSSTTT!!
(Hi Angie! I'll be getting back to you - I haven't forgotten - 'on the other line'! If gehrig won't have you, I will! [Smile!] I left THE DARK SIDE! I just had to straighten this Nobrain fool out! I take many forms! Until then..., May "The Force" for global justice be with you! Go & Do Peace.)
>UH NO: Actually it was Sharon's troops INDISCRIMINATELY firing on unarmed Palestinian demostrators, though a few teenagers may have been throwing stones, killing and wounding many that really started "the 2nd Intifadah", sometimes called "the Al-Aqsa Intifadah".
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY - in a scene reminiscent, from the air, of the South African apartheid military - that Israeli soldiers lethally and indiscriminately fired on unarmed Palestinian demonstrators at al-Aqsa Mosque. (Except for the symbolic 'arms'/resistance of a relatively few young stonethrowers. I bet those stone-throwers look a lot better now, don't they Nobrain?)
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY - in a scene reminiscent, from the air, of the South African apartheid military - that Israeli soldiers lethally and indiscriminately fired on unarmed Palestinian demonstrators at al-Aqsa Mosque. (Except for the symbolic 'arms'/resistance of a relatively few young stonethrowers. I bet those stone-throwers look a lot better now, don't they Nobrain?)
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Excellent thread!
Great information!
(Guess on who's side.)
Excellent thread!
Great information!
(Guess on who's side.)
I have to laugh at anyone who yells "YOU ZIOniSTS _______" and then proceeed to rattle off paragraph after paragraph of nonsense, half-truths and absurd bullshit.
There's too much bullshit to respond to. I will now be totally sarcastic and simply say: "You guys are right, Israel for decades is just plain evil and an aggressor! Those poor lovable little irans, iraqs, lebanons, syrias, arafats, PLO, etc., they're lovable, peaceful, tolerant people who keep getting bullied by mean old Israel!"
There's too much bullshit to respond to. I will now be totally sarcastic and simply say: "You guys are right, Israel for decades is just plain evil and an aggressor! Those poor lovable little irans, iraqs, lebanons, syrias, arafats, PLO, etc., they're lovable, peaceful, tolerant people who keep getting bullied by mean old Israel!"
Read Jewish-American, adamantly anti-Zionist, foremost Zionist and Israeli history scholar, Lenni Brenner's book: "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis", 2002, Barricade Books, 342 pgs.
Answer: Adolf Hitler
hahah: "There's too much bullshit to respond to."
Translation:
OH SHHHIT!!!: "UH NO" -- ONE OF OUR OWN! -- TOTALLY ***DEMOLISHED*** McNobrain [how apt] !!!
*I'M* OUTTA HERE LIKE LAST YEAR!!!
Translation:
OH SHHHIT!!!: "UH NO" -- ONE OF OUR OWN! -- TOTALLY ***DEMOLISHED*** McNobrain [how apt] !!!
*I'M* OUTTA HERE LIKE LAST YEAR!!!
Answer: Adolf Hitler
ISRAELI HISTORY 101: ISRAELI MILITARY AGGRESSION:
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 03:40 PM
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 03:40 PM
And there's MORE!:
1944: Itzhak Shamir's (later a Prime Minister of Israel) terrorist Stern Gang assassinated the British High Commissioner to the Middle East and personal friend of Winston Churchill, Lord Moyne.
1948: The Stern Gang also - in the most famous assassination of its time - assassinated the UN Security Council Peace Mediator in Palestine, Swedish diplomat, former head of the Swedish Red Cross during WWII, member of the Swedish royal family, Count Folke Bernadotte.
Just before the end of World War II he gained much good will leading a rescue operation transporting interned inmates from German concentration camps to hospitals in Sweden. In the "White Buses" of the Bernadotte expedition, 27,000 people where liberated, a considerable share of them Jews!
Bernadotte's plan called for the right of Palestinian refugees to return. In particular he claimed that it was unreasonable that Jews with no previous connection with Palestine could enter the country, while Palestinians who had just been forced too flee could not return to their villages. This statement, and also his recommendation that Jerusalem should be placed under effective UN control, provoked immense anger within the Zionist leadership and is believed to have triggered the assassination.
The Stern Gang was a Jewish terrorist gang in Palestine who committed numerous atrocities over a period of years against the British and the Palestinians.
Can you imagine what the U.S. would do to the Palestinians if Palestinian "terrorists" ever assassinated figures of this stature in the U.S. government? The U.S. would probably help Israel just go out and just finally exterminate the Palestinians!
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1944: Itzhak Shamir's (later a Prime Minister of Israel) terrorist Stern Gang assassinated the British High Commissioner to the Middle East and personal friend of Winston Churchill, Lord Moyne.
1948: The Stern Gang also - in the most famous assassination of its time - assassinated the UN Security Council Peace Mediator in Palestine, Swedish diplomat, former head of the Swedish Red Cross during WWII, member of the Swedish royal family, Count Folke Bernadotte.
Just before the end of World War II he gained much good will leading a rescue operation transporting interned inmates from German concentration camps to hospitals in Sweden. In the "White Buses" of the Bernadotte expedition, 27,000 people where liberated, a considerable share of them Jews!
Bernadotte's plan called for the right of Palestinian refugees to return. In particular he claimed that it was unreasonable that Jews with no previous connection with Palestine could enter the country, while Palestinians who had just been forced too flee could not return to their villages. This statement, and also his recommendation that Jerusalem should be placed under effective UN control, provoked immense anger within the Zionist leadership and is believed to have triggered the assassination.
The Stern Gang was a Jewish terrorist gang in Palestine who committed numerous atrocities over a period of years against the British and the Palestinians.
Can you imagine what the U.S. would do to the Palestinians if Palestinian "terrorists" ever assassinated figures of this stature in the U.S. government? The U.S. would probably help Israel just go out and just finally exterminate the Palestinians!
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Your analysis of the above events is amusing. I like how you exaggerate and twist everything in as specific a way as possible.
Lets pretend that your absurdly biased take on the above events is reasonable - ridiculous, but lets do it. In the same fashion, why don't you list the terrorist events committed by the palestinians/arabs over the last 50 years, and the motivations behind them, and how they celebrate the success of such events.
On second thought, please don't. It might fill up the entire internet, and the site would have to shut down due to excess bandwidth consumption.
As for THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, Iran's govt is a bunch of crazed fundamentalist lunatics, and anyone who took out their weapons programs or reactors would be doing the world in general a favor.
Lets pretend that your absurdly biased take on the above events is reasonable - ridiculous, but lets do it. In the same fashion, why don't you list the terrorist events committed by the palestinians/arabs over the last 50 years, and the motivations behind them, and how they celebrate the success of such events.
On second thought, please don't. It might fill up the entire internet, and the site would have to shut down due to excess bandwidth consumption.
As for THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, Iran's govt is a bunch of crazed fundamentalist lunatics, and anyone who took out their weapons programs or reactors would be doing the world in general a favor.
Israel's govt is a bunch of crazed fundamentalist lunatics, too. They should kill each other off and stop annoying the rest of us.
No, Israel's govt is a bunch of educated, religious jews who are just pissed off at their asshole neighbors and pretty sick of having to negotiate peace with people who still just want to wipe Israel out more than form a second state. Israel's leaders are mostly basically "NORMAL" people as far as modern civilized standards of "normal" go.
Iran's leaders are wackjob fundies.
Israel's leaders want to wipe out terrorist organizations, and are sometimes careless in doing so.
Iran's leaders give money to terrorist organizations who yell "god is great!" and then run into a bus of innocent people to blow it up and make their family proud that they died for allah.
Iran's leaders are wackjob fundies.
Israel's leaders want to wipe out terrorist organizations, and are sometimes careless in doing so.
Iran's leaders give money to terrorist organizations who yell "god is great!" and then run into a bus of innocent people to blow it up and make their family proud that they died for allah.
To the opponents of Israel:
Why did Abbas resign as P.M. of the Palestinians?
Is it because he is a zionist? Or is it because he really wanted peace and realized that your terrorist buddies, Arafat et al, are not commited to peace with Israel?
It's obvious that even he knows who is responsible for maintaining the bloodshed.
Why did Abbas resign as P.M. of the Palestinians?
Is it because he is a zionist? Or is it because he really wanted peace and realized that your terrorist buddies, Arafat et al, are not commited to peace with Israel?
It's obvious that even he knows who is responsible for maintaining the bloodshed.
Oh, look. Guess I missed it. That post above, supposedly in my name, isn't mine.
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"Why did Abbas resign as P.M. of the Palestinians?"
A "Prime Minister" has a *country*, not some token name permitted by their colonialist oppressors (the U.S. and Israel). He resigned because, as one prominent anti-Zionist Jew said, Arafat is "a failed puppet" of Israel, and Abbas finally refused to be another one.
(In case you didn't hear with your Zionist ear blinders, Abbas ultimately blamed *Israel* for the Road Map to hell.)
A "Prime Minister" has a *country*, not some token name permitted by their colonialist oppressors (the U.S. and Israel). He resigned because, as one prominent anti-Zionist Jew said, Arafat is "a failed puppet" of Israel, and Abbas finally refused to be another one.
(In case you didn't hear with your Zionist ear blinders, Abbas ultimately blamed *Israel* for the Road Map to hell.)
Yes: "Your analysis of the above events is amusing. I like how you exaggerate and twist everything in as specific a way as possible."
I DARE you to use the same dates - unless you are making the ridiculous claims that no Zionist wars or Zionist assassinations happened on those dates - and come up with *your* 'VERSION' of history. Let's line the dates up, above, side by side and make the comparison - if you've got the intellectual guts! Common! Be as proud of this as Begin and Sharon were! IT'S *OUR* TURN TO OPPRESS!
Yes: "why don't you list the terrorist events committed by the palestinians/arabs over the last 50 years, and the motivations behind them"
The same motivation as any other indigenous people throwing off imperialist, racist settler-colonialism: they want to attack their invaders and oppressors! BUT *SO* WHAT!?
Yes: "As for THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, Iran's govt is a bunch of crazed fundamentalist lunatics"
Unlike some white people from Europe - totin' the Bible - claiming that "God" promised them - 5,000 years ago - someone else's land - the land of an indigenous people - that the invaders have come to "reclaim" a country that their religious ancestors had in part of Palestine 2,000 years ago! And these invaders ACTIVELY ally themselves with another white people (who they even invite to their stolen land on religious junkets and actually hug and kiss!) who want to see the former return to the ancient land of the former's ancestors, so that the same "God" that promised the former Palestine can come destroy them (the former) and send them to the eternal damnation and flames of Hell!!
Umm-hmmph...!
[Speaking of a a bunch o' *CRAZED* fundamentalist *LOOONYTICS*...!!]
No: "Iran's leaders give money to terrorist organizations"
You mean like ISRAEL once gave MONEY and SUPPORT - and PROTECTION - to HAMAS!? GEE, I S OUR FACE RED NOW!!
No: "Israel's leaders want to wipe out terrorist organizations"
Then Israel would have to wipe out itself! Since Israel was FOUNDED on terrorist violence - YOU *KNOW* *BY NOW*, DON'T YOU? DUMMY! DON'T SAY THAT!!
NO ONE CLAIMED THAT WE ZIONISTS ARE THE SMARTEST OR MOST MORAL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD! --JUST ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS (EITHER PHYSICALLY OR TO WORLD PEACE)!!
I DARE you to use the same dates - unless you are making the ridiculous claims that no Zionist wars or Zionist assassinations happened on those dates - and come up with *your* 'VERSION' of history. Let's line the dates up, above, side by side and make the comparison - if you've got the intellectual guts! Common! Be as proud of this as Begin and Sharon were! IT'S *OUR* TURN TO OPPRESS!
Yes: "why don't you list the terrorist events committed by the palestinians/arabs over the last 50 years, and the motivations behind them"
The same motivation as any other indigenous people throwing off imperialist, racist settler-colonialism: they want to attack their invaders and oppressors! BUT *SO* WHAT!?
Yes: "As for THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, Iran's govt is a bunch of crazed fundamentalist lunatics"
Unlike some white people from Europe - totin' the Bible - claiming that "God" promised them - 5,000 years ago - someone else's land - the land of an indigenous people - that the invaders have come to "reclaim" a country that their religious ancestors had in part of Palestine 2,000 years ago! And these invaders ACTIVELY ally themselves with another white people (who they even invite to their stolen land on religious junkets and actually hug and kiss!) who want to see the former return to the ancient land of the former's ancestors, so that the same "God" that promised the former Palestine can come destroy them (the former) and send them to the eternal damnation and flames of Hell!!
Umm-hmmph...!
[Speaking of a a bunch o' *CRAZED* fundamentalist *LOOONYTICS*...!!]
No: "Iran's leaders give money to terrorist organizations"
You mean like ISRAEL once gave MONEY and SUPPORT - and PROTECTION - to HAMAS!? GEE, I S OUR FACE RED NOW!!
No: "Israel's leaders want to wipe out terrorist organizations"
Then Israel would have to wipe out itself! Since Israel was FOUNDED on terrorist violence - YOU *KNOW* *BY NOW*, DON'T YOU? DUMMY! DON'T SAY THAT!!
NO ONE CLAIMED THAT WE ZIONISTS ARE THE SMARTEST OR MOST MORAL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD! --JUST ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS (EITHER PHYSICALLY OR TO WORLD PEACE)!!
Jack Ass: "QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS...!! by UH NO, gehrig"
I know this is all terribly confusing for you, JA, but it's really pretty simple: I don't post under the name "Yes." I prefer to use my own name, Gehrig.
And apparently its a name you admire so much you're not above using it yourself. Thanks for the compliment -- although I can't say a compliment from you means very much to me.
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I know this is all terribly confusing for you, JA, but it's really pretty simple: I don't post under the name "Yes." I prefer to use my own name, Gehrig.
And apparently its a name you admire so much you're not above using it yourself. Thanks for the compliment -- although I can't say a compliment from you means very much to me.
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ISRAEL HISTORY 101:
ISRAELI HISTORY 101: ISRAELI MILITARY AGGRESSION:
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 03:40 PM
Addendum:
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 04:07 PM
More "Poor little Israel" !
by gehrig: more history of Israeli aggression! Monday September 08, 2003 at 09:27 PM
ISRAELI HISTORY 101: ISRAELI MILITARY AGGRESSION:
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 03:40 PM
Addendum:
by UH NO Wednesday September 03, 2003 at 04:07 PM
More "Poor little Israel" !
by gehrig: more history of Israeli aggression! Monday September 08, 2003 at 09:27 PM
Are there ever joint sessions of the Congress and other parliaments?
P.S. Check today's Haaretz for more US stalling on IAEA resolution against Israeli nukes.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=341947&sw=saudi+nuclear
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U.S. official: Iran can arm missiles with biological warheads
By Nathan Guttman, Haaretz Correspondent and Reuters
WASHINGTON - Iran has the capability of arming ballistic missiles with biological warheads, Paula DeSutter, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Verification and Compliance, told Congress on Wednesday.
This is the first time that an official claim of Iran's ability to launch biological warheads has been made.
Intelligence sources said that such an ability indicates sophisticated technological capabilities, since biological warheads are considered much harder to use than other types. Among other problems, the structure of the warhead differs from that of a conventional one, to facilitate the dispersal of the biological material.
DeSutter's testimony was delivered at a JOINT SESSION that included Israeli KNESSET members AS WELL AS members of both houses of CONGRESS. The meeting, part of an ongoing initiative to hold periodic joint sessions of the Congress and Knesset, was attended by Senators Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA) and Congressmen Jane Harman (D-CA) and Curt Weldon (R-PA). The Israeli representatives were four members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee: Chairman Yuval Steinitz (Likud), Omri Sharon (Likud), Haim Ramon (Labor) and Ephraim Sneh (Labor).
DeSutter told the committee that Iran is in violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and has been working to acquire secretly nonconventional weapons of all kinds. She said that Iran's nuclear program is a genuine threat to both the Middle East and the U.S., since the Iranians are constantly working to expand the range of their missiles. America's current strategy for dealing with the problem is to push for a decision by the International Atomic Energy Agency, formally declaring Iran in violation of the NPT, she added.
Other experts warned the meeting that if Iran's efforts continue unchecked, its nuclear capabilities could outstrip those of North Korea. (HEY, WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, INCLUDING OVER 300 NUCLEAR WARHEADS AIMED AT ALL THE EUROPEAN CAPITALS, JUST FOR STARTERS????)
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia yesterday denied a report in Britain's Guardian newspaper stating that the kingdom was considering acquiring nuclear weapons. "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is not considering acquiring a nuclear bomb or nuclear weapons of any kind," the Saudi Embassy in London said in a statement. "There is no atomic energy program in any part of the kingdom and neither is one being considered."
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P.S. Check today's Haaretz for more US stalling on IAEA resolution against Israeli nukes.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=341947&sw=saudi+nuclear
w w w . h a a r e t z d a i l y . c o m
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Last update - 05:57 19/09/2003
U.S. official: Iran can arm missiles with biological warheads
By Nathan Guttman, Haaretz Correspondent and Reuters
WASHINGTON - Iran has the capability of arming ballistic missiles with biological warheads, Paula DeSutter, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Verification and Compliance, told Congress on Wednesday.
This is the first time that an official claim of Iran's ability to launch biological warheads has been made.
Intelligence sources said that such an ability indicates sophisticated technological capabilities, since biological warheads are considered much harder to use than other types. Among other problems, the structure of the warhead differs from that of a conventional one, to facilitate the dispersal of the biological material.
DeSutter's testimony was delivered at a JOINT SESSION that included Israeli KNESSET members AS WELL AS members of both houses of CONGRESS. The meeting, part of an ongoing initiative to hold periodic joint sessions of the Congress and Knesset, was attended by Senators Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA) and Congressmen Jane Harman (D-CA) and Curt Weldon (R-PA). The Israeli representatives were four members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee: Chairman Yuval Steinitz (Likud), Omri Sharon (Likud), Haim Ramon (Labor) and Ephraim Sneh (Labor).
DeSutter told the committee that Iran is in violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and has been working to acquire secretly nonconventional weapons of all kinds. She said that Iran's nuclear program is a genuine threat to both the Middle East and the U.S., since the Iranians are constantly working to expand the range of their missiles. America's current strategy for dealing with the problem is to push for a decision by the International Atomic Energy Agency, formally declaring Iran in violation of the NPT, she added.
Other experts warned the meeting that if Iran's efforts continue unchecked, its nuclear capabilities could outstrip those of North Korea. (HEY, WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, INCLUDING OVER 300 NUCLEAR WARHEADS AIMED AT ALL THE EUROPEAN CAPITALS, JUST FOR STARTERS????)
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia yesterday denied a report in Britain's Guardian newspaper stating that the kingdom was considering acquiring nuclear weapons. "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is not considering acquiring a nuclear bomb or nuclear weapons of any kind," the Saudi Embassy in London said in a statement. "There is no atomic energy program in any part of the kingdom and neither is one being considered."
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Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
Claim: Quranic verse speaks of the "wrath of the Eagle cleansing the lands of Allah."
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]
Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
Origins: No, this isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam. The chapter and verse citation quoted above is a leg-pull, an obvious play on the USA's (the Eagle) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia awakening a fearsome eagle"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke.
Depending upon which translation of the Quran one uses, the section corresponding to chapter 9, verse 11 actually reads something like this:
But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
Last updated: 3 May 2003
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Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]
Quran (9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
Origins: No, this isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam. The chapter and verse citation quoted above is a leg-pull, an obvious play on the USA's (the Eagle) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia awakening a fearsome eagle"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke.
Depending upon which translation of the Quran one uses, the section corresponding to chapter 9, verse 11 actually reads something like this:
But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
Last updated: 3 May 2003
The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran.asp
Click here to e-mail this page to a friend
Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2003
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
This material may not be reproduced without permission
Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2003
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
"This material may not be reproduced without permission"
roflmao!!!!!
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
"This material may not be reproduced without permission"
roflmao!!!!!
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