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Hunters Point residents terrorized by SFPD
Yet another terrorist attack against Bay View Hunters Point residents by SFPD, Monday 8-25-03.
* 2 months before the Police Reform Charter Amendment on the November Ballot...
* Despite the senseless SFPD brutalization of African American children in Hunters Point, on MLK day 17 months ago, only now brought up to court,
* Despite the horrendous SFPD brutalization of the Thurgood Marshall students, and the arrest of a teacher for videotaping the incident,
* Enough was enough decades, centuries ago! We will no longer stand in isolation and demoralization, and request your immediate attention to bring forth immediate solutions!
The Bayview Hunters Point community is promptly organizing to gather all witness testimonies, rally widespread action to support and defend our revoltingly, repeatedly criminalized, brutalized and oppressed community. Parents and relatives have courageously stepped up to the plate since last evening, wanting to make sure that their sons and daughters get the support, and safety they so desperately need. When will SFPD fulfill its mission to "Serve and Protect"? When will we able to stop having to protect ourselves, again, and again, from the "protectors" whose salaries are paid by our tax money?
A number of African American police officers were sent to Hunters Point the following day, attempting to do damage control and pacify our community, to no avail. Enough cover-ups, divide and conquer techniques, enough lethal attacks from SFPD on Bayview Hunters Point!
The car of the assaulting officers was low riding up on the hill all afternoon Tuesday, license plate 3XKK304. When they pulled up in front of SF Bayview Newspaper, I took pictures from the newspaper's window; the officers, conversing with 3 colleagues on bikes, smiled and waived at us, as if it was some kind of a joke...
SAVE THE DATE: FRIDAY AUG 29 Press Conference on the unthinkable incident, to be held by the families, community and youth activists, SF Bayview and Idriss Stelley Foundation, at the Green House, 4919 3rd Street between Palou and Quesada, SF.
Front-page article in the SF Bay View Newspaper and on http://www.sfbayview.com:
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Hunters Point residents terrorized by SFPD
by JR
Hunters Point - On Monday, Aug. 25, two white San Francisco police officers drove up Middlepoint and West Point Road in the neighborhood of Hunters Point between 6 and 7 p.m. Lee Collins, a 23-year-old resident of the area, who many may know as Baby Finsta and who was featured in Kevin Epps' award winning independent film "Straight Outta Hunter's Point," was called out by the officers.
As they approached him, he put his hands up, and the officers immediately commenced hitting him with their billy clubs, punching and kicking him until he was unconscious. At the same time, they were uttering remarks to his relatives like "Back up, bitch."
The officers who made the initial stop called in for their backup to detain everybody in white t-shirts in the area. When backup arrived, approximately 30 officers showed up, pointing guns at children who were as young as 8 years old, as well as other residents who were watching this act of police terrorism.
Fourteen-year-old Marcus Law, an honor roll student who just got a full college scholarship and who has never been in trouble with the law, was approached and immediately hit with a police billy club, causing him to go to the hospital. At least two other adults were brutalized in the incident, and a number of children and other spectators were psychologically traumatized by what they saw.
After the 30-minute terror session was administered to Lee Collins in the Hunters Point neighborhood that he is a resident of, he was taken to the Williams and Newhall police station, then sneaked out of the back in an ambulance.
"I looked in the ambulance's back side window and saw Lee Collins, with his head leaned back unconscious, with no medical personnel or attention. That's when a police car came from behind and intentionally tried to run me down for looking in the back of the ambulance," said Hectic, the cousin of Lee Collins.
After the police attacked Hectic, he ran to the police station, telling the crowd of approximately 15 concerned relatives, friends and residents that Lee was taken to the hospital. When the crew of approximately 15 showed up at the hospital, officers who were already present started harassing and verbally abusing people.
On the night of the incident, the San Francisco Police Department, the occupying gang that controls the hood, refused to allow the family to have any contact with Lee Collins at the police station or at the hospital. There will never be peace until we get justice! For more information, call the Idriss Stelley Foundation and come to the press conference at the Green House, 4919 Third St., at Palou, in Hunters Point, on Friday at 11 a.m.
* Despite the senseless SFPD brutalization of African American children in Hunters Point, on MLK day 17 months ago, only now brought up to court,
* Despite the horrendous SFPD brutalization of the Thurgood Marshall students, and the arrest of a teacher for videotaping the incident,
* Enough was enough decades, centuries ago! We will no longer stand in isolation and demoralization, and request your immediate attention to bring forth immediate solutions!
The Bayview Hunters Point community is promptly organizing to gather all witness testimonies, rally widespread action to support and defend our revoltingly, repeatedly criminalized, brutalized and oppressed community. Parents and relatives have courageously stepped up to the plate since last evening, wanting to make sure that their sons and daughters get the support, and safety they so desperately need. When will SFPD fulfill its mission to "Serve and Protect"? When will we able to stop having to protect ourselves, again, and again, from the "protectors" whose salaries are paid by our tax money?
A number of African American police officers were sent to Hunters Point the following day, attempting to do damage control and pacify our community, to no avail. Enough cover-ups, divide and conquer techniques, enough lethal attacks from SFPD on Bayview Hunters Point!
The car of the assaulting officers was low riding up on the hill all afternoon Tuesday, license plate 3XKK304. When they pulled up in front of SF Bayview Newspaper, I took pictures from the newspaper's window; the officers, conversing with 3 colleagues on bikes, smiled and waived at us, as if it was some kind of a joke...
SAVE THE DATE: FRIDAY AUG 29 Press Conference on the unthinkable incident, to be held by the families, community and youth activists, SF Bayview and Idriss Stelley Foundation, at the Green House, 4919 3rd Street between Palou and Quesada, SF.
Front-page article in the SF Bay View Newspaper and on http://www.sfbayview.com:
----------------------------------------------------------
Hunters Point residents terrorized by SFPD
by JR
Hunters Point - On Monday, Aug. 25, two white San Francisco police officers drove up Middlepoint and West Point Road in the neighborhood of Hunters Point between 6 and 7 p.m. Lee Collins, a 23-year-old resident of the area, who many may know as Baby Finsta and who was featured in Kevin Epps' award winning independent film "Straight Outta Hunter's Point," was called out by the officers.
As they approached him, he put his hands up, and the officers immediately commenced hitting him with their billy clubs, punching and kicking him until he was unconscious. At the same time, they were uttering remarks to his relatives like "Back up, bitch."
The officers who made the initial stop called in for their backup to detain everybody in white t-shirts in the area. When backup arrived, approximately 30 officers showed up, pointing guns at children who were as young as 8 years old, as well as other residents who were watching this act of police terrorism.
Fourteen-year-old Marcus Law, an honor roll student who just got a full college scholarship and who has never been in trouble with the law, was approached and immediately hit with a police billy club, causing him to go to the hospital. At least two other adults were brutalized in the incident, and a number of children and other spectators were psychologically traumatized by what they saw.
After the 30-minute terror session was administered to Lee Collins in the Hunters Point neighborhood that he is a resident of, he was taken to the Williams and Newhall police station, then sneaked out of the back in an ambulance.
"I looked in the ambulance's back side window and saw Lee Collins, with his head leaned back unconscious, with no medical personnel or attention. That's when a police car came from behind and intentionally tried to run me down for looking in the back of the ambulance," said Hectic, the cousin of Lee Collins.
After the police attacked Hectic, he ran to the police station, telling the crowd of approximately 15 concerned relatives, friends and residents that Lee was taken to the hospital. When the crew of approximately 15 showed up at the hospital, officers who were already present started harassing and verbally abusing people.
On the night of the incident, the San Francisco Police Department, the occupying gang that controls the hood, refused to allow the family to have any contact with Lee Collins at the police station or at the hospital. There will never be peace until we get justice! For more information, call the Idriss Stelley Foundation and come to the press conference at the Green House, 4919 Third St., at Palou, in Hunters Point, on Friday at 11 a.m.
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this story is a total and complete untruth.
let"s "get real". anytime the cops do anything in your neighborhood, you don't like it. whether they are arresting someone or are there to stop a fight. it's all racism. you just don't like white people. the fact of the matter is, if you people were left to "police yourselves", it would be much worse. you can't stop the killing and the drug dealing and the domestic violence. you can't and you won't. the people who live out there have no respect for the law or each other. but, if you want to do it yourself, i am sure the cops would not mind. then they could all work in north beach and pacific heights instead of a place where they are hated just for doing their job. and by the way, i will be voting for gavin newsom.
as a black man who started with nothing and worked my ass off to get to where i am today, i am disgusted by waht is going on in the hood. it's time we stop blaming others for our own problems. who escalates the situations? we do. one black man gets arrested and everyone comes out yelling about racism and this and that and "fuck the police" etc. it doesn't matter that the man has a warrant or committed a crime. we don't care. we just hate the guys in the blue suits. why?because that is how we were taught. it is always police brutality, racist cops ..it is never..."he shouldn't have been dealing dope or shouldn't have shot that person" we blame everyone but ourselves. we want to be the victims because we think we are owed something. well folks, we aren't owed shit. fools like you make brothers like me look bad. i busted my ass to get out of the hood and it isn't my fault or the cops fault if you all are too lazy to do it yourself.
And you have time to read sf.indymedia? So, what neighborhood are you from, anyway?
aint that about a bitch...a pacific heights cracka callin me a racist. well, it's true i can't stand white folk nor white police.i'm just trying to make it in a white man's world. and i'm sick and tired of the cops hassling me for 10 bags of weed. so what, weed aint illegal. fuck the cops. and its fucked up that some fat white slob cop towed my shit just cuz i aint got no license. fuck that. that dmv test is bullshit..i've been drivin since i was 8. and why do the cops fuck with me just for hittin my bitch, whats mine is mine. fuck the police....
well now i live in palos verdes(So Cal)....but i grew up on kiska. you probably don't know where kiska rd. is do you? i'm sure it's far away from your neighborhood in walnut creek.
can you say, "i'm white and live in the burbs" you don't belong in the hood, hoodie.
just wondering...if a white or asian person made a wrong turn and got lost in the projects, what are the chances they would be fucked with, jacked up, robbed etc? if a black person made a wrong turn and was lost in san ramon, danville, blackhawk what are the chances they would have the cops called on them.
everyone is racist.
everyone is racist.
once i was a victim of police brutality. i got into a bar fight and when the cops came, i tried to fight them. i tried to get all my buddies to join in and fight the cops. i got pepper sprayed and smacked in the knee with a stick because i was swinging a broken beer bottle at the cops. the cops had to call for back up and it turned into a real mess. sound familiar? you people are luck that SF doesn't back their cops. in San Diego, i was royally fucked and did some serious jail time.
isn't idriss stelley the guy who got shot by the cops for swinging a knife at them? what's next, the richard ramirez or richard allen davis foundations?
And the proof of this is?
i was just wondering if you have ever left your comfy house and been in that neighborhood? probably not. i grew up on 3rd and quesada.
Why don't you answer my question? Where's the proof? You do have proof, don't you? Or are you just passing wind?
>an obvious attempt
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This refers to a comment that was removed because it contained racial slurs.
actually, I think the probability of the police being called in blackhawk is much higher than the first scenario. In the bronx this summer, I rode my bike and walked all over and no one really turned their head at me, a german-american. a lot of the households there earn under $10,000 too, and there's lots of white immigrants and asians etc. Their streets are a heck of a lot cleaner than the bay area because the nanny-state goes around fining superintendents of buildings for any trash on their sidewalks, tow away cars left in people's way, and they incarcerate their mentally ill people off on islands.
anyway, this happened today: Park officer fires at unruly veteran
By J.K. Dineen
Of The Examiner Staff
jdineen [at] examiner.com
Published on Wednesday, August 27, 2003
A United States Park police officer shot at an unruly veteran in the Presidio early Tuesday morning after the man grabbed the cop's baton and cracked him over the head with it.
The suspect - who was living in the Presidio as part of a Swords to Ploughshares transitional housing program for homeless vets - was not hit by the bullet, which then ricocheted off a vanity and a metal trash can, according to Deputy Sgt. Robert Jansing.
The bullet, which investigators recovered, was not meant as a warning shot, Jansing said.
"He was firing intending to hit the suspect," Jansing said.
Park police received a call at 12:40 a.m. from a private security company hired by Swords to Ploughshares reporting that a resident had an unauthorized visitor. About 20 minutes later, a second call came in that the suspect had again tried to sneak a guest past guards.
When the officer arrived and knocked on the door, the suspect, whom the park police did not name, threw the door open and pushed the cop, Jansing said. The park officer pepper-sprayed the suspect, but instead of being deterred, the 6-foot, 250-pound man snatched the officer's baton and whacked him on the skull.
The officer was treated for laceration and bruises and released.
anyway, this happened today: Park officer fires at unruly veteran
By J.K. Dineen
Of The Examiner Staff
jdineen [at] examiner.com
Published on Wednesday, August 27, 2003
A United States Park police officer shot at an unruly veteran in the Presidio early Tuesday morning after the man grabbed the cop's baton and cracked him over the head with it.
The suspect - who was living in the Presidio as part of a Swords to Ploughshares transitional housing program for homeless vets - was not hit by the bullet, which then ricocheted off a vanity and a metal trash can, according to Deputy Sgt. Robert Jansing.
The bullet, which investigators recovered, was not meant as a warning shot, Jansing said.
"He was firing intending to hit the suspect," Jansing said.
Park police received a call at 12:40 a.m. from a private security company hired by Swords to Ploughshares reporting that a resident had an unauthorized visitor. About 20 minutes later, a second call came in that the suspect had again tried to sneak a guest past guards.
When the officer arrived and knocked on the door, the suspect, whom the park police did not name, threw the door open and pushed the cop, Jansing said. The park officer pepper-sprayed the suspect, but instead of being deterred, the 6-foot, 250-pound man snatched the officer's baton and whacked him on the skull.
The officer was treated for laceration and bruises and released.
on Telegraph Ave. just now, I was walking down the street and some people started chasing each other down the sidewalk behind me, which isn't so strange, and when I turned and looked, one guy ran really fast to my left, then a water bottle was thrown and someone yelled "mother fucker" and to my right in the street was a guy with a white shirt chasing the first guy. He had a gun out and was aiming it at him as he was running- and if he had fired it would have hit a store or the people in the zone in front of cafe med. It was one of those sleek looking guns that doesn't have a rotating chamber like a pistol in western movies, but more like a clip that would be attached. Then, shortly following behind on bikes, there were two berkeley police on bikes. One was jones or Johnson who has really bothered Jason Meggs in the past, and I've seen him twice arresting some people who got out of hand at Taco Bell. It's kind of strange 2 officers were so close if those two people had gotten in a conflict right on that block - but they could have been chasing each other for some time.
dude what happend was fucked but all you racist white people can see it cause it doesnt happen to you.
you get respect from the police compared to what poor or black people get (and i know im white)
it was racist what happend, just because people arnt in the kkk and even if you have black freinds you can still be racist
and most cops are
so quit thinking that black people are makin this shit up
cause they arnt they're views and accounts of what happend is just as credible if it was yours
you get respect from the police compared to what poor or black people get (and i know im white)
it was racist what happend, just because people arnt in the kkk and even if you have black freinds you can still be racist
and most cops are
so quit thinking that black people are makin this shit up
cause they arnt they're views and accounts of what happend is just as credible if it was yours
so you are saying that only pepole of color get arrested? I pray you are trying to make some sort of joke.
it is this kind of undereducated attiaude that perpetuates the old sterio types that hinder those of us who want to better our selves and get ahead in the world.
we don't need you looking down your nose and pretending to befriend "BALCKS" as you call us.
May-be we should feel grateful that this spoiled white person felt sorry for us!
The racist police brutality described above is all courtesy the Democratic Party's police, the twin capitalist party to the Republican Party that sits at City Hall with its organized crime, election-frauding machine. It is long over due that the workingclass communities stop voting for the Democrats, who have absolutely nothing to offer as we can see from the above article, and vote socialist. Capitalist parties can never represent the workingclass.
This is all occurring with a black mayor in office. Willie Brown is currently illegally in his second lame duck term as mayor with 40% of the vote plus election fraud and now only 20% support. Willie Brown is a lifelong, proud Democrat who became a millionaire working for the real estate industry by promoting policies that contributed to the whitening of San Francisco and were anti-tenant and anti-rent control.
The election fraud team for Willie Brown in his mayor's race was the same as that in the June 3, 1997 49er Stadium Swindle election, where we voted 70% No on D&F, the 49er Swindle propositions, and the vote was changed to 50.2% "yes." It was so horrifying in Bayview-Hunters Point, that the Willie Brown Democratic Club changed its name to the Sojourner Truth Democratic Club after that infamous election. It was not confined to the black community; the whole city's ballots were tampered with. For the whole story, see http://www.brasscheck.com/stadium
Willie Brown's election fraud team included, but was not limited to:
The San Francisco Police Department, the Housing Authority, Charlie Walker who provided the trucks that illegally carried the ballot boxes to an unknown location to tamper with them, the Nation of Islam, A. Phillip Randolph Institute, Glide Chuch and its preacher Cecil Williams, former supervisor and preacher at 3rd Baptist Church, Amos Brown, Walden House, TURF, the pro-stadium bureaucrats of the San Francisco Labor Council (many workers opposed the 49er Stadium Swindle), the Democratic Central Committee, the Republican Central Committee and the Chamber of Commerce.
Be sure to read not only all 150 pages of this Election Fraud website which also includes the history of Willie Brown's evil deeds in San Francisco, but also the dedication at the beginning of the website to Delores Evans, a pollworker, and 5 children, murdered by Willie Brown's election fraud team on December 13, 1997, 10 days after the election fraud lawsuit was filed, in a mysterious fire in their Housing Authority home in Bayview-Hunters Point, just before Evans was about to testify as to the election fraud she witnessed on June 3, 1997 as a pollworker. The fire inspector told the Hearst Examiner they could have escaped but someone stopped them. The children were ages 8 months to 8 years. One was Evans' child; the others were her grandchildren.
Run that stinking, rotten Democratic Party out of the workingclass communities now. As the saying goes:
Black, brown, yellow, red and white,
Same enemy, same fight,
Workers of the world, unite!
This is all occurring with a black mayor in office. Willie Brown is currently illegally in his second lame duck term as mayor with 40% of the vote plus election fraud and now only 20% support. Willie Brown is a lifelong, proud Democrat who became a millionaire working for the real estate industry by promoting policies that contributed to the whitening of San Francisco and were anti-tenant and anti-rent control.
The election fraud team for Willie Brown in his mayor's race was the same as that in the June 3, 1997 49er Stadium Swindle election, where we voted 70% No on D&F, the 49er Swindle propositions, and the vote was changed to 50.2% "yes." It was so horrifying in Bayview-Hunters Point, that the Willie Brown Democratic Club changed its name to the Sojourner Truth Democratic Club after that infamous election. It was not confined to the black community; the whole city's ballots were tampered with. For the whole story, see http://www.brasscheck.com/stadium
Willie Brown's election fraud team included, but was not limited to:
The San Francisco Police Department, the Housing Authority, Charlie Walker who provided the trucks that illegally carried the ballot boxes to an unknown location to tamper with them, the Nation of Islam, A. Phillip Randolph Institute, Glide Chuch and its preacher Cecil Williams, former supervisor and preacher at 3rd Baptist Church, Amos Brown, Walden House, TURF, the pro-stadium bureaucrats of the San Francisco Labor Council (many workers opposed the 49er Stadium Swindle), the Democratic Central Committee, the Republican Central Committee and the Chamber of Commerce.
Be sure to read not only all 150 pages of this Election Fraud website which also includes the history of Willie Brown's evil deeds in San Francisco, but also the dedication at the beginning of the website to Delores Evans, a pollworker, and 5 children, murdered by Willie Brown's election fraud team on December 13, 1997, 10 days after the election fraud lawsuit was filed, in a mysterious fire in their Housing Authority home in Bayview-Hunters Point, just before Evans was about to testify as to the election fraud she witnessed on June 3, 1997 as a pollworker. The fire inspector told the Hearst Examiner they could have escaped but someone stopped them. The children were ages 8 months to 8 years. One was Evans' child; the others were her grandchildren.
Run that stinking, rotten Democratic Party out of the workingclass communities now. As the saying goes:
Black, brown, yellow, red and white,
Same enemy, same fight,
Workers of the world, unite!
For more information:
http://www.brasscheck.com/stadium
I hope nobody gets worked up over that story because it is completely untrue. Ask the good people who live there. By good I mean productive citizens of the City.
why do you keep saying that the above scenario didn't happen, yet you give no supporting details. This article in the Chronicle offers the same scenario pretty much: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/08/28/BA296466.DTL
Could it be that he's one of those famous liars, the cops?
[let"s "get real". anytime the cops do anything in your neighborhood, you don't like it. whether they are arresting someone or are there to stop a fight. it's all racism.]
Even worse, the people in bad neighborhoods gripe about not having enough police protection, and why is there so much killing, etc. etc. and it's racism that no one does anything about crime, but then they gripe when the police try to do something.
And the really hypocritical thing is, most of the people joining the chorus of complaints have probably never even set foot in the Bayview. Let's be honest, how many people reading this site would actually be brave enough to walk down Silver Avenue at night? Probably not many.
Even worse, the people in bad neighborhoods gripe about not having enough police protection, and why is there so much killing, etc. etc. and it's racism that no one does anything about crime, but then they gripe when the police try to do something.
And the really hypocritical thing is, most of the people joining the chorus of complaints have probably never even set foot in the Bayview. Let's be honest, how many people reading this site would actually be brave enough to walk down Silver Avenue at night? Probably not many.
I've lived in Oakland most of my life and the people who I talk to (workers, renters, and home owners) all want more police protection, not less. For the record, I live off of San Pablo Ave. in an area of Oakland that is far from affluent. The primary folks who want less police protection are thugs and their white "radical" allies.
What me and my neighbors want is the police to perform the same social role in the hood as they do in the hills i.e. protection not intimidation and harrassment. I know communists and anarchists will see this as an impossibility as the state will always represent the interests of the ruling class but, thankfully, most of us in Oakland are neither communists or anarchists.
What me and my neighbors want is the police to perform the same social role in the hood as they do in the hills i.e. protection not intimidation and harrassment. I know communists and anarchists will see this as an impossibility as the state will always represent the interests of the ruling class but, thankfully, most of us in Oakland are neither communists or anarchists.
If you reject the argument that the police represent the interests of the rich, than why do you think that cops have yet to "perform the same social role in the hood as they do in the hills i.e. protection not intimidation and harrassment"?
tis is what really happened:
the cops tried to arrest someone. when they did, they became surrounded by a group of residents. the cops told them to back up. the residents did not. the cops pulled their guns to try to keep the mob away from them. the crowd weren't afraid. the cops called for back up. the crowd continued to surround, yell at and threaten the cops. back up arrived. the crowd didn't back down, the cops did what cops do to maintain their safety. people got hit with batons. the cops made the arrest. the cops left. the residents were pissed. i was watching from the street. i don't like nor trust the police like a lot of people. but in this case, if my neighbors would have let the cops make the arrest without interfering, the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
the cops tried to arrest someone. when they did, they became surrounded by a group of residents. the cops told them to back up. the residents did not. the cops pulled their guns to try to keep the mob away from them. the crowd weren't afraid. the cops called for back up. the crowd continued to surround, yell at and threaten the cops. back up arrived. the crowd didn't back down, the cops did what cops do to maintain their safety. people got hit with batons. the cops made the arrest. the cops left. the residents were pissed. i was watching from the street. i don't like nor trust the police like a lot of people. but in this case, if my neighbors would have let the cops make the arrest without interfering, the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
Aaron, I do not agree with "hmmms" comment that the police are cool to folks in affluent areas "because the people in the hills don't have a chip on the shoulders and blame authority for all their problems."
And to answer your question, some of this is clearly material. Low-income communities do not have as much economic power or political clout so we need to be organized. But organized for what? Revolution or simply a safe place to raise our kids? To repeat, most of the people in my hood want more protection, not less.
Also, I think it may have something to do with who is doing the policing in what neighborhoods and how involved the cops are in the community in question.
Maybe we need more beat cops and less rollers. I do not have all the answers but I know when the neighborhood trusts the cops and the cops feel that they are supported by the neighborhood both sides are much less likely to "up the ante" in social conflicts like the one mentioned above.
And to answer your question, some of this is clearly material. Low-income communities do not have as much economic power or political clout so we need to be organized. But organized for what? Revolution or simply a safe place to raise our kids? To repeat, most of the people in my hood want more protection, not less.
Also, I think it may have something to do with who is doing the policing in what neighborhoods and how involved the cops are in the community in question.
Maybe we need more beat cops and less rollers. I do not have all the answers but I know when the neighborhood trusts the cops and the cops feel that they are supported by the neighborhood both sides are much less likely to "up the ante" in social conflicts like the one mentioned above.
the rich in the hills have no problems that they could credibly blame on the powers-that-be. the police protect their property and are there to serve them.
were people in the hood born with a "chip on their shoulders"? or did it develop in response to conditions that the cops enforce and perpetuate?
were people in the hood born with a "chip on their shoulders"? or did it develop in response to conditions that the cops enforce and perpetuate?
Aaron writes:
"were people in the hood born with a "chip on their shoulders"? or did it develop in response to conditions that the cops enforce and perpetuate?"
I find this statement to be a false dichotomy. While I would not agree that people--on the basis of income or skin color--have a predisposition to "chips on their shoulders" I would also disagree that said chips are the result of a response to material conditions.
In fact, many of these thug kids come from homes that are not very poor. Certainly not as poor as the household I grew up in. All you have to do is peep the gear these thugs are wearing. And the crazy thing is that its the parents who are buying this crap for them. Forget about books it's all about FUBU, Nike, and all the rest of the b.s.
Is this due to white people selling a false image of what it means to be Black through rap videos and other cultural forms? Perhaps at one time. But today many of the largest rap acts are run by black-owned companies. Why is Master P's No Limit Records selling the exact same images that "racist whites" are lambasted for. Why is it o.k. for people like Tupac Shakur to promote a "thug life" as an admirable life-style?
The bottom line is that these thugs feel that society owes them something, they hate education as something "white" and wonder when they can't find a job except flipping burgers.
You know what Chris Rock says...
To paraphrase:
"If you live in the hood and want to keep your money safe, put it in a book. Thugs* steer clear of books the way Superman does Kryptonite..."
His problem with "thugs"* is that he sees them as "low-expectation-having motherfuckers."
*He actually used the "n word" but I do not want my post to be censored.
"were people in the hood born with a "chip on their shoulders"? or did it develop in response to conditions that the cops enforce and perpetuate?"
I find this statement to be a false dichotomy. While I would not agree that people--on the basis of income or skin color--have a predisposition to "chips on their shoulders" I would also disagree that said chips are the result of a response to material conditions.
In fact, many of these thug kids come from homes that are not very poor. Certainly not as poor as the household I grew up in. All you have to do is peep the gear these thugs are wearing. And the crazy thing is that its the parents who are buying this crap for them. Forget about books it's all about FUBU, Nike, and all the rest of the b.s.
Is this due to white people selling a false image of what it means to be Black through rap videos and other cultural forms? Perhaps at one time. But today many of the largest rap acts are run by black-owned companies. Why is Master P's No Limit Records selling the exact same images that "racist whites" are lambasted for. Why is it o.k. for people like Tupac Shakur to promote a "thug life" as an admirable life-style?
The bottom line is that these thugs feel that society owes them something, they hate education as something "white" and wonder when they can't find a job except flipping burgers.
You know what Chris Rock says...
To paraphrase:
"If you live in the hood and want to keep your money safe, put it in a book. Thugs* steer clear of books the way Superman does Kryptonite..."
His problem with "thugs"* is that he sees them as "low-expectation-having motherfuckers."
*He actually used the "n word" but I do not want my post to be censored.
So what happened with the measure FF in Oakland during the last election. This would have put an additional 100 police in oakland, and it passed with 52% of the vote, but the second part of the measure - to actually fund hiring of these police, didn't pass, so no more police. Is this the voice of the people?
That's great, "OR", you're able to quote Chris Rock, such an astute--and comforting--social commentator!
What you want to avoid with all your Rock references and bogus counterpostions--safe neighborhoods vs. revolution etc--is that deteriorating social conditions (high rates of unemployment, shit jobs, social cutbacks, increasing poverty and hopelessness) and massive class bias are the reason so many young "thugs" from the "hood" end up under penal control in this here land of the free.
No anarchist or communist that i personally know calls for the dismantling of the police in lieu of social transformation and new social forms that can maintain decent security. The fact that any such transformation will inevitably be met with the armed might of the state (as always) speaks to the contradictory nature of the present situation. This system relies upon--no, requires--massive atomization, fear, and dog-eat-dog. To the extent that cops stem predatory crimes they are suppressing activities that express and rise from the fundamental logic of a system that they enforce. In this sense, cops are akin to the arsonist/fireman. The cops enforce and perpetuate a system that based on greed, violence avarice and then play the savior posing as the solution to some of its localized manifestations. What a perfect control mechanism!
You yourself acknowledge that class is a significant determining factor as regards police treatment in this society. Why you think that earnest calls for more police and a better attitude toward them will make any great difference is beyond me. If we only had more "Riders" and gave them hugs more frequently we'd have peace and tranquility, sayeth our erstwhile (alleged) "Oakland Resident"!
Since you referenced Chris Rock, i'll sight Boots from The Coup (who would eviscerate Rock in a tete a tete) as my sign off:
"If everyone in the hood had a PhD;
You'd say that doctor cooked that burger hella good for me!"
What you want to avoid with all your Rock references and bogus counterpostions--safe neighborhoods vs. revolution etc--is that deteriorating social conditions (high rates of unemployment, shit jobs, social cutbacks, increasing poverty and hopelessness) and massive class bias are the reason so many young "thugs" from the "hood" end up under penal control in this here land of the free.
No anarchist or communist that i personally know calls for the dismantling of the police in lieu of social transformation and new social forms that can maintain decent security. The fact that any such transformation will inevitably be met with the armed might of the state (as always) speaks to the contradictory nature of the present situation. This system relies upon--no, requires--massive atomization, fear, and dog-eat-dog. To the extent that cops stem predatory crimes they are suppressing activities that express and rise from the fundamental logic of a system that they enforce. In this sense, cops are akin to the arsonist/fireman. The cops enforce and perpetuate a system that based on greed, violence avarice and then play the savior posing as the solution to some of its localized manifestations. What a perfect control mechanism!
You yourself acknowledge that class is a significant determining factor as regards police treatment in this society. Why you think that earnest calls for more police and a better attitude toward them will make any great difference is beyond me. If we only had more "Riders" and gave them hugs more frequently we'd have peace and tranquility, sayeth our erstwhile (alleged) "Oakland Resident"!
Since you referenced Chris Rock, i'll sight Boots from The Coup (who would eviscerate Rock in a tete a tete) as my sign off:
"If everyone in the hood had a PhD;
You'd say that doctor cooked that burger hella good for me!"
tis is what really happened:
the cops tried to arrest someone. when they did, they became surrounded by a group of residents. the cops told them to back up. the residents did not. the cops pulled their guns to try to keep the mob away from them. the crowd weren't afraid. the cops called for back up. the crowd continued to surround,
typical mob mentality, this can be witnessed after most hip-hop events or side shows. The pervasive criminal element in Oakland will take advantage of any situation to lash out at their community. and this is happening a lot more often than it makes it into the news. this is why Oakland is known as the armpit of the bayarea.
the cops tried to arrest someone. when they did, they became surrounded by a group of residents. the cops told them to back up. the residents did not. the cops pulled their guns to try to keep the mob away from them. the crowd weren't afraid. the cops called for back up. the crowd continued to surround,
typical mob mentality, this can be witnessed after most hip-hop events or side shows. The pervasive criminal element in Oakland will take advantage of any situation to lash out at their community. and this is happening a lot more often than it makes it into the news. this is why Oakland is known as the armpit of the bayarea.
Policing in the United States is a dangerous job. Yet, precisely because police officers can make mistakes, or allow personal bias or emotion to enter into policing - and because they are allowed, as a last resort, to use potentially lethal force to subdue individuals they apprehend - police must be subjected to intense scrutiny.
Police or public officials greet each new report of brutality with denials or explain that the act was an aberration, while the administrative and criminal systems that should deter these abuses by holding officers accountable instead virtually guarantee them impunity.
The 1991 Christopher Commission report and the 1992 St. Clair Commission report (examining Boston's police department) show that race still plays a central role in the use of excessive force. The Christopher Commission in Los Angeles "also found that the problem of excessive force is aggravated by racism and bias...."
The Mollen Commission stated: "As important as the possible extent of brutality, is the extent of brutality tolerance we found throughout the Department....[O]fficers seem fairly tolerant - both outwardly and inwardly - of occasional police brutality. This tolerance, or willful blindness, extends to supervisors as well....[W]hen cops come to the stationhouse with a visibly beaten suspect...[supervisors] often do not question the story they hear."
It is difficult to assess the true extent of police brutality because there is no reliable national data. Since 1994 the federal government has been legally required to collect national data on police excessive use of force, but Congress has failed to provide the necessary funding.
“The issue is national in scope and reaches people all across this country. For too many people, especially in minority communities, the trust that is so essential to effective policing does not exist because residents believe that police have used excessive force, that law enforcement is too aggressive, that law enforcement is biased, disrespectful, and unfair.”
-----Janet Reno, Attorney General of the United States, speaking on police brutality at a National Press Club luncheon, Washington, DC, 15 April 1999.
Allegations of police misconduct must always be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated an open public forum. State and Federal authorities have already acklowledged this as a wide spread problem, so I have a problem understanding why so many of you here seem to be so far behind the times in recognizing the situation as it stands today in reality.
I am in full agreement with the following statement made by police abuse expert and attorney Lynne Wilson:
Police misconduct is a matter of strong public interest. Even though many departments name their self-investigative units "internal affairs bureaus," police misconduct is the public's business, not simply an "internal" departmental matter....[C]itizens, not police department officials, are the ultimate arbiters of what police behavior is acceptable in a democratic society....Law enforcement officers wield extensive authority in the exercise of their duties....[W]hether those officers, trained and paid at taxpayers' expense, use excessive force in carrying out their responsibilities or otherwise misuse their authority is clearly the public's business.
I have myself witnessed several instances of unneccesary and excess use of police force as well as use of offensive and racial language. In one instance, I was the one who called in the police. I knew the circumstance surrounding the subsequent arrests and was witness to the entire thing. Although, the arrests were neccessary, I was shocked by the officers conduct. One of the officers recognized this and apologized to me ...saying that he was sorry I had to bare witness to it but that sometimes that's just the way you have to treat these scum bags.
I do not agree. Because I know that if it had been me, he would have treated me the same way even if I was acctually not involved. Sometimes all it takes is to be simply suspected of wrong doing.
Police or public officials greet each new report of brutality with denials or explain that the act was an aberration, while the administrative and criminal systems that should deter these abuses by holding officers accountable instead virtually guarantee them impunity.
The 1991 Christopher Commission report and the 1992 St. Clair Commission report (examining Boston's police department) show that race still plays a central role in the use of excessive force. The Christopher Commission in Los Angeles "also found that the problem of excessive force is aggravated by racism and bias...."
The Mollen Commission stated: "As important as the possible extent of brutality, is the extent of brutality tolerance we found throughout the Department....[O]fficers seem fairly tolerant - both outwardly and inwardly - of occasional police brutality. This tolerance, or willful blindness, extends to supervisors as well....[W]hen cops come to the stationhouse with a visibly beaten suspect...[supervisors] often do not question the story they hear."
It is difficult to assess the true extent of police brutality because there is no reliable national data. Since 1994 the federal government has been legally required to collect national data on police excessive use of force, but Congress has failed to provide the necessary funding.
“The issue is national in scope and reaches people all across this country. For too many people, especially in minority communities, the trust that is so essential to effective policing does not exist because residents believe that police have used excessive force, that law enforcement is too aggressive, that law enforcement is biased, disrespectful, and unfair.”
-----Janet Reno, Attorney General of the United States, speaking on police brutality at a National Press Club luncheon, Washington, DC, 15 April 1999.
Allegations of police misconduct must always be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated an open public forum. State and Federal authorities have already acklowledged this as a wide spread problem, so I have a problem understanding why so many of you here seem to be so far behind the times in recognizing the situation as it stands today in reality.
I am in full agreement with the following statement made by police abuse expert and attorney Lynne Wilson:
Police misconduct is a matter of strong public interest. Even though many departments name their self-investigative units "internal affairs bureaus," police misconduct is the public's business, not simply an "internal" departmental matter....[C]itizens, not police department officials, are the ultimate arbiters of what police behavior is acceptable in a democratic society....Law enforcement officers wield extensive authority in the exercise of their duties....[W]hether those officers, trained and paid at taxpayers' expense, use excessive force in carrying out their responsibilities or otherwise misuse their authority is clearly the public's business.
I have myself witnessed several instances of unneccesary and excess use of police force as well as use of offensive and racial language. In one instance, I was the one who called in the police. I knew the circumstance surrounding the subsequent arrests and was witness to the entire thing. Although, the arrests were neccessary, I was shocked by the officers conduct. One of the officers recognized this and apologized to me ...saying that he was sorry I had to bare witness to it but that sometimes that's just the way you have to treat these scum bags.
I do not agree. Because I know that if it had been me, he would have treated me the same way even if I was acctually not involved. Sometimes all it takes is to be simply suspected of wrong doing.
Instead of being outraged about police brutality these comments are filled with hatred. It is a fact, police brutality happens to many people of different ethnic and economical backgrounds. (Look at "Fajita Gate" , "The Oakland Riders", "The bombing of MOVE" for examples.)
To lump all the people in Bayview and Hunters Point together as "lazy" ,"thugs", who are just imagening police brutality is crazy.
If you lived on a toxic waste Super Fund site with constant police presence isolated away from the rest of the city wouldn't you be pissed off too? "They" live out there beause the city of San Francisco and it's more affluent home owners don't want public housing in their neignborhoods. The police are there to make sure "they" stay where they are and keep their "thug life" with them. Forget about the middle class and working poor families that are just trying to keep their families together.
None of you are asking the really important questions. Why are the majority of the African American people of San Francisco living on a toxic wate dump? With no money, no financial investments or employment opportunities. Is this a coincidence? Why are there so many police concentrated in poor urban areas like Hunters Point and the Mission? Are Blacks and Latinos so lawbreaking and violent they need non-stop policing, 24 hours a day?
(A man can be rich and still beat his wife and kids. Violence is violence. To suggest only poor Black men abuse their families is an insult to batter women, Black men and Black families everywhere.)
Just something to think about. By the way, some of you folks out there pretending to be Black men in this comment section. Your lies are paper thin.
To lump all the people in Bayview and Hunters Point together as "lazy" ,"thugs", who are just imagening police brutality is crazy.
If you lived on a toxic waste Super Fund site with constant police presence isolated away from the rest of the city wouldn't you be pissed off too? "They" live out there beause the city of San Francisco and it's more affluent home owners don't want public housing in their neignborhoods. The police are there to make sure "they" stay where they are and keep their "thug life" with them. Forget about the middle class and working poor families that are just trying to keep their families together.
None of you are asking the really important questions. Why are the majority of the African American people of San Francisco living on a toxic wate dump? With no money, no financial investments or employment opportunities. Is this a coincidence? Why are there so many police concentrated in poor urban areas like Hunters Point and the Mission? Are Blacks and Latinos so lawbreaking and violent they need non-stop policing, 24 hours a day?
(A man can be rich and still beat his wife and kids. Violence is violence. To suggest only poor Black men abuse their families is an insult to batter women, Black men and Black families everywhere.)
Just something to think about. By the way, some of you folks out there pretending to be Black men in this comment section. Your lies are paper thin.
To suggest only poor Black men abuse their families is an insult to batter women, Black men and Black families everywhere.)
you are saying this never happens?
the national center for statical crime analysis disagrees in fact in California the stats are that Asian house holds have the lowest rates of domestic violence next are whites at 1.2 times as likely
Hispanic are a 1.5 times as likely to have domestic violence, and black house holds are 3.4 times as likely to experience domestic violence.
this is after accounting for income, and other social factors.
in short you are viewing the law of averages, criminals congregate in low income areas, police watch these areas more because of the high criminal content.
if you live on a toxic waist dump my advice would be to
........may-be
((((( MOVE BEFORE YOU START GLOWING IN THE DARK!!! ))))))........"D'oooh!"
but you have no proof of this..........
Why so Racist??
seeing how you have jumped to conclusions and made assumptions with absolutely no proof what so ever it is interesting that you opened your rant by playing the race card (a sign of a person who is afraid their argument will fail)
and before you ramble on another racist rant I will have you know I am black and from the point.
(you are what you make of your self, don't blame the hood and don't blame everyone else for your problems) for they are YOUR PROBLEMS!
you are saying this never happens?
the national center for statical crime analysis disagrees in fact in California the stats are that Asian house holds have the lowest rates of domestic violence next are whites at 1.2 times as likely
Hispanic are a 1.5 times as likely to have domestic violence, and black house holds are 3.4 times as likely to experience domestic violence.
this is after accounting for income, and other social factors.
in short you are viewing the law of averages, criminals congregate in low income areas, police watch these areas more because of the high criminal content.
if you live on a toxic waist dump my advice would be to
........may-be
((((( MOVE BEFORE YOU START GLOWING IN THE DARK!!! ))))))........"D'oooh!"
but you have no proof of this..........
Why so Racist??
seeing how you have jumped to conclusions and made assumptions with absolutely no proof what so ever it is interesting that you opened your rant by playing the race card (a sign of a person who is afraid their argument will fail)
and before you ramble on another racist rant I will have you know I am black and from the point.
(you are what you make of your self, don't blame the hood and don't blame everyone else for your problems) for they are YOUR PROBLEMS!
amelia,
the police department does not only police the bayview and mission 24 hours a day. the city has ten police stations and there are officers staffed at all of them 24 hours a day. and as far as so many police concentrated in those areas (H.P. , Mission) the staffing levels are based on population and calls for service, not race.
the police department does not only police the bayview and mission 24 hours a day. the city has ten police stations and there are officers staffed at all of them 24 hours a day. and as far as so many police concentrated in those areas (H.P. , Mission) the staffing levels are based on population and calls for service, not race.
It's common sense, you put cops where the crime is. Would you run a police department any different?
THE WHOLE RAP CULTURE, WEARING BAGGY PANTS, CALLING EACH OTHER "THUGS" AND "NIGGAS", CALLING FEMALES "HO"S OR "BITCHES"...... THIS TYPE OF MENTALITY AND THE STUFF THEY CALL MUSIC (I CALL IT A BUNCH OF YELLING) PROMOTES HATE.
NOT ONLY DOES IT PROMOTE HATE, IT PROMOTES VIOLENCE AND MISOGYNY.
THAT'S WHY THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS SO HIGH IN HOODS THAT LISTEN TO RAP.
MAYBE IF SOME OF THOSE "THUGS" STAYED AT HOME AND DID 2 HOURS OF HOMEWORK EVERY NIGHT LIKE THEY SHOULD, MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE SO BORED AND START CRIMES. MAYBE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN THE SCIENCES, MATH, SOCIAL CAUSES, GREAT LITERATURE. MAYBE THEY WILL BE COLLEGE BOUND. HECK, I SEE ALOT OF SOUTH EAST ASIANS THAT COME TO THIS COUNTRY AS BOAT REFUGEES AND CANT EVEN SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE. THEY HAVE NO WORK SKILLS, THEY HAVE NO LANGUAGE SKILLS, AND THEY HAVE TO START FROM THE BOTTOM, ENDURING RACISM FROM THE BLACKS AS WELL AS WHITES. YET, THEIR KIDS MANAGE TO STUDY, BARELY GET INTO CITY COLLEGE, THEN BARELY MAKE IT INTO A 4-YEAR UNIVERSITY, THEN BARELY GRADUATE WITH A 4 YEAR DEGREE. BUT THEY DO GRADUATE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE WORKED EVERY ODD JOB YOU COULD IMAGINE. YET, THEY GRADUATED AND GOT A DECENT JOB, MAYBE NOT THE BEST, BUT DECENT ENOUGH WHERE THEY COULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR PARENTS A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND EVEN START A NEW FAMILY AND EVEN MAYBE SOMEDAY BUY A HOUSE.
INSTEAD OF WATCHING OPRAH, FAMILY COURT, JERRY SPRINGER, THEY SHOULD TRY READING. MAYBE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HELP THEMSELVES.
NOT ONLY DOES IT PROMOTE HATE, IT PROMOTES VIOLENCE AND MISOGYNY.
THAT'S WHY THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS SO HIGH IN HOODS THAT LISTEN TO RAP.
MAYBE IF SOME OF THOSE "THUGS" STAYED AT HOME AND DID 2 HOURS OF HOMEWORK EVERY NIGHT LIKE THEY SHOULD, MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE SO BORED AND START CRIMES. MAYBE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN THE SCIENCES, MATH, SOCIAL CAUSES, GREAT LITERATURE. MAYBE THEY WILL BE COLLEGE BOUND. HECK, I SEE ALOT OF SOUTH EAST ASIANS THAT COME TO THIS COUNTRY AS BOAT REFUGEES AND CANT EVEN SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE. THEY HAVE NO WORK SKILLS, THEY HAVE NO LANGUAGE SKILLS, AND THEY HAVE TO START FROM THE BOTTOM, ENDURING RACISM FROM THE BLACKS AS WELL AS WHITES. YET, THEIR KIDS MANAGE TO STUDY, BARELY GET INTO CITY COLLEGE, THEN BARELY MAKE IT INTO A 4-YEAR UNIVERSITY, THEN BARELY GRADUATE WITH A 4 YEAR DEGREE. BUT THEY DO GRADUATE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE WORKED EVERY ODD JOB YOU COULD IMAGINE. YET, THEY GRADUATED AND GOT A DECENT JOB, MAYBE NOT THE BEST, BUT DECENT ENOUGH WHERE THEY COULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR PARENTS A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND EVEN START A NEW FAMILY AND EVEN MAYBE SOMEDAY BUY A HOUSE.
INSTEAD OF WATCHING OPRAH, FAMILY COURT, JERRY SPRINGER, THEY SHOULD TRY READING. MAYBE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HELP THEMSELVES.
i think that your comments are absolutely ridiculous, it's very easy to look at "ghetto" culture and say that it's fucked up because black people listen to rap. it's true that certain aspect of rap is violent and misogynistic, but it's like that because that's how ghetto culture is, not the other way around. rap is a reflection of urban society and all of it's negative aspects. to say that black folx are violent because of rap is like saying your ugly because the mirror that you look at is ugly. you need to know that there are deeper causes to all this oppression than the music people lisyen to. it's true that music plays a role in shaping society. but it does so in a way of reflecting our environment and the outlook of a certain class of people that dominates it. to get a better understanding of this i suggest you look into some marxist analyses on art and culture.
Maybe its because the police simply made an arrest of a violently resisting indiviual. A crowd of criminals gathered and tried to stop the Officer from completing his duties. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe the good people of the area actually cooperated without lying and said what they saw (stated above).
How come when the police go up there to arrest someone everyone and their mother sees it and is willing to lie about it. Yet when these same kids shoot each other, play with guns, sell drugs, or sell young women, NOBODY SEES ANYTHING? Its not hard to figure out why life is not getting any better on the hill. I feel sorry for the good people of the area that allow the small group of idiots to speak for them...
Maybe the public is finally seeing through all the lies. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf..eventually nobody believed him after all the lies.
How come when the police go up there to arrest someone everyone and their mother sees it and is willing to lie about it. Yet when these same kids shoot each other, play with guns, sell drugs, or sell young women, NOBODY SEES ANYTHING? Its not hard to figure out why life is not getting any better on the hill. I feel sorry for the good people of the area that allow the small group of idiots to speak for them...
Maybe the public is finally seeing through all the lies. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf..eventually nobody believed him after all the lies.
Are you coming to the KKK rally tonight? Trent Lott will be there!
Because you disagree with me I'm a racist..LOL.......It's no wonder you have made nothing of your life ..lol...lol..lol
"The O'Reilly Factor" IS nothing.
The Cops in the southeast part of the City were just doing their job. From what I heard, this drug dealer began to violently fight with them. What are they supposed to do? Then a big violent mob of criminals began to attack the cops, and these loosers what support. Most of them are out there all day long shooting and killing people, rather than getting a job and paying taxes like I do. Why don't they just be "REAL" and stop being lazy living off others? They should have graduated from HS and went to college and live like NORMAL HUMAN BEINGs. Good for the cops for actually going up there and cleaning up that horrible garbage dump on the hill.
Amelia, are you aware that the bayview police station is actually the most understaffed of all stations in the San Francisco Police Department. It's no wonder, since many people in the community hate the police, officers cannot work out there too long before it effects them emotionally and physically. How would you like having to go to work everyday, with people yelling slurs at you and telling you they hate you all because of the uniform you wear. Imagine what that does to a person over time.
The community of Bayview-Hunters point needs to reconcile it's two oposing halves. There is the one side which insists that the police do somethig about the drugs and violence, and the other side which doesn't want the police to do anything and calls police racist for trying to arrest people involved in the drug dealing and violence. You cannot have it both ways. You must realize that in order to stop violence and drug activity in a primarily african american community often times the police must arrest african americans. Come on people wake up and smell reality.
The community of Bayview-Hunters point needs to reconcile it's two oposing halves. There is the one side which insists that the police do somethig about the drugs and violence, and the other side which doesn't want the police to do anything and calls police racist for trying to arrest people involved in the drug dealing and violence. You cannot have it both ways. You must realize that in order to stop violence and drug activity in a primarily african american community often times the police must arrest african americans. Come on people wake up and smell reality.
Amelia Why so Racist
To suggest only poor Black men abuse their families is an insult to batter women, Black men and Black families everywhere.)
you are saying this never happens?
the national center for statical crime analysis disagrees in fact in California the stats are that Asian house holds have the lowest rates of domestic violence next are whites at 1.2 times as likely
Hispanic are a 1.5 times as likely to have domestic violence, and black house holds are 3.4 times as likely to experience domestic violence.
this is after accounting for income, and other social factors.
in short you are viewing the law of averages, criminals congregate in low income areas, police watch these areas more because of the high criminal content.
if you live on a toxic waist dump my advice would be to
........may-be
((((( MOVE BEFORE YOU START GLOWING IN THE DARK!!! ))))))........"D'oooh!"
but you have no proof of this..........
To suggest only poor Black men abuse their families is an insult to batter women, Black men and Black families everywhere.)
you are saying this never happens?
the national center for statical crime analysis disagrees in fact in California the stats are that Asian house holds have the lowest rates of domestic violence next are whites at 1.2 times as likely
Hispanic are a 1.5 times as likely to have domestic violence, and black house holds are 3.4 times as likely to experience domestic violence.
this is after accounting for income, and other social factors.
in short you are viewing the law of averages, criminals congregate in low income areas, police watch these areas more because of the high criminal content.
if you live on a toxic waist dump my advice would be to
........may-be
((((( MOVE BEFORE YOU START GLOWING IN THE DARK!!! ))))))........"D'oooh!"
but you have no proof of this..........
I understand that Idris Stelly's mother has suffered a great loss. The case of the Stelly shooting is very suspicious. I am sure that she meant well when she used the settlement money from Idris's death to fund a foundation that would combat police brutality.
It is very sad that this foundation has not been very selective about what cases it will work on. I believe reports from above postings that say that the cops had been surrounded after they busted Collins, and they had to disperse the crowd of criminals and crackheads that were mobbing them. I've seen this "behavior" happen before with my own eyes, so I am sure it's very likely that the cops were mobbed.
It's really a shame that the Stelly Foundation has rushed to the aid and defense of a petty drug dealer who was destroying the community and people he lives with with his crack-poison. If Idris could see this from where he is now, he would cry.
It is very sad that this foundation has not been very selective about what cases it will work on. I believe reports from above postings that say that the cops had been surrounded after they busted Collins, and they had to disperse the crowd of criminals and crackheads that were mobbing them. I've seen this "behavior" happen before with my own eyes, so I am sure it's very likely that the cops were mobbed.
It's really a shame that the Stelly Foundation has rushed to the aid and defense of a petty drug dealer who was destroying the community and people he lives with with his crack-poison. If Idris could see this from where he is now, he would cry.
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