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CKUT Radio: ISM Activists Arrested Protesting Apartheid Wall
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Listen to an interview with Greta an activist with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) about the recent arrest of over 40 Palestinian and foreign nationals participating in the Freedom Summer Campaign with ISM in Palestine. The arrests took place on August 5th, during an action organized by the ISM. The activists where attempting to prevent the demolition of a home in Mas'ha Palestine that lies in the projected path of the Apartheid Wall. The Israeli military beat several of the activists, one seriously enough that his ribs may be cracked.
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The house was never in theret of being demolished.
ISM just did a show for the media
The house, even after the arrest and removal of protestors, is still standing
ISM just did a show for the media
The house, even after the arrest and removal of protestors, is still standing
The State Department is proposing that the United States play hardball with Israel reducing badly needed loan guarantees if it proceeds with the barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian populations.
With this the State Department joins the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy inverting cause and effect, making the fence the issue rather than the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
The Israelis are not happy with the fence. They love the land as much as the Palestinians, and scarring it with any barrier is so painful to Israelis that for years they resisted the idea. The reason they finally decided to build it is that they could no longer in good conscience refrain from taking the one step that could prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from sneaking into Israel to blow up innocents.
This is not speculation. There have been nearly 100 Palestinian suicide bombings. All the terrorists came from the West Bank, where the barrier is being built. Not a single one has come from Gaza. Why? Because there already is a fence separating Gaza from Israel.
"The fence would not even be a factor if it were not for the violence in the last few years," writes former chief US Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross. "Truth be told, those responsible for the fence are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades."
In America we build stretches of fence along the Mexican border to prevent foreigners from coming in to take jobs. It takes a lot of audacity to demand that Israel stop building a fence whose purpose is to prevent foreigners from coming in to commit mass murder.
As part of the propaganda campaign against the barrier, it has been called a wall. In fact, it is a fence, with electronics on either side to prevent infiltrators. It is wall-like for only about a tenth of its length in just two places, both along the Trans-Israel Highway. Why? Because Palestinian gunmen had been shooting from Palestinian territory onto the highway and killing innocent Israelis.
In America, barrier walls are built along highways to keep neighbors from being inconvenienced by the noise. In Israel, barrier walls are built along highways to prevent passengers from being killed by bullets. Yet the State Department wants to sanction Israel for building a defensive barrier designed to prevent motorists from being shot while transiting inside Israel itself.
WHAT IS scandalous about the State Department joining this Palestinian propaganda campaign is that State has for months been campaigning to implement its road map for peace, published on April 30. It has three phases.
We are now in Phase I. In which phase is Israel supposed to stop work on the fence? In none.
There is nothing in the road map about the fence. In any phase.
In Phase I, Israel is supposed to dismantle settlement outposts, which it has begun doing. Ultimately, Israel is required to freeze old settlements, which it is prepared to do when the Palestinians fulfill their part of Phase I. And what is that?
The road map is explicit: The Palestinians must begin "sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at... dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure."
They have done none of this. None. A three-month truce has been declared. But Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has not just delayed cracking down on the terrorist apparatus; he has said that he will not do so at all because of fear of a Palestinian civil war.
How has the State Department reacted to this open reneging on the Palestinians' central obligation in Phase I? At first it said it would simply give Abbas a short time to begin dismantling the terrorist infrastructure. Now it appears quite satisfied with a temporary truce that allows Hamas and the other terrorists to rearm and regroup, and that can and will be broken at the time and place of their choosing.
This is a direct contradiction of the road map. It is a contradiction of the central requirement of Palestinian compliance. It is a contradiction of the Middle East policy announced by President George W. Bush in his June 24, 2002, speech that promised the Palestinians their own independent state but only if they first ceased the violence and dismantled the violence machine.
The State Department is ignoring, indeed excusing, the Palestinians' violation of their central obligation under Phase I of the road map. At the very same time State is threatening Israel with sanctions over a fence that is nowhere mentioned in the road map.
This kind of amnesia and one-sidedness is not new. We have been here before. It was called Oslo. And we know how it ended.
With this the State Department joins the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy inverting cause and effect, making the fence the issue rather than the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
The Israelis are not happy with the fence. They love the land as much as the Palestinians, and scarring it with any barrier is so painful to Israelis that for years they resisted the idea. The reason they finally decided to build it is that they could no longer in good conscience refrain from taking the one step that could prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from sneaking into Israel to blow up innocents.
This is not speculation. There have been nearly 100 Palestinian suicide bombings. All the terrorists came from the West Bank, where the barrier is being built. Not a single one has come from Gaza. Why? Because there already is a fence separating Gaza from Israel.
"The fence would not even be a factor if it were not for the violence in the last few years," writes former chief US Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross. "Truth be told, those responsible for the fence are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades."
In America we build stretches of fence along the Mexican border to prevent foreigners from coming in to take jobs. It takes a lot of audacity to demand that Israel stop building a fence whose purpose is to prevent foreigners from coming in to commit mass murder.
As part of the propaganda campaign against the barrier, it has been called a wall. In fact, it is a fence, with electronics on either side to prevent infiltrators. It is wall-like for only about a tenth of its length in just two places, both along the Trans-Israel Highway. Why? Because Palestinian gunmen had been shooting from Palestinian territory onto the highway and killing innocent Israelis.
In America, barrier walls are built along highways to keep neighbors from being inconvenienced by the noise. In Israel, barrier walls are built along highways to prevent passengers from being killed by bullets. Yet the State Department wants to sanction Israel for building a defensive barrier designed to prevent motorists from being shot while transiting inside Israel itself.
WHAT IS scandalous about the State Department joining this Palestinian propaganda campaign is that State has for months been campaigning to implement its road map for peace, published on April 30. It has three phases.
We are now in Phase I. In which phase is Israel supposed to stop work on the fence? In none.
There is nothing in the road map about the fence. In any phase.
In Phase I, Israel is supposed to dismantle settlement outposts, which it has begun doing. Ultimately, Israel is required to freeze old settlements, which it is prepared to do when the Palestinians fulfill their part of Phase I. And what is that?
The road map is explicit: The Palestinians must begin "sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at... dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure."
They have done none of this. None. A three-month truce has been declared. But Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has not just delayed cracking down on the terrorist apparatus; he has said that he will not do so at all because of fear of a Palestinian civil war.
How has the State Department reacted to this open reneging on the Palestinians' central obligation in Phase I? At first it said it would simply give Abbas a short time to begin dismantling the terrorist infrastructure. Now it appears quite satisfied with a temporary truce that allows Hamas and the other terrorists to rearm and regroup, and that can and will be broken at the time and place of their choosing.
This is a direct contradiction of the road map. It is a contradiction of the central requirement of Palestinian compliance. It is a contradiction of the Middle East policy announced by President George W. Bush in his June 24, 2002, speech that promised the Palestinians their own independent state but only if they first ceased the violence and dismantled the violence machine.
The State Department is ignoring, indeed excusing, the Palestinians' violation of their central obligation under Phase I of the road map. At the very same time State is threatening Israel with sanctions over a fence that is nowhere mentioned in the road map.
This kind of amnesia and one-sidedness is not new. We have been here before. It was called Oslo. And we know how it ended.
The ISM should stop their reports about our human rights abuses. These damn Western observers obstruct our Zionist ethnic cleansing policies against the Palestinians everyday, completely disrespecting our honorable Zionist practices of cruelty and injustice.
Oops! I mean... don't fall for the lies of the ISM! We Zionists don't kill kids, destroy homes, harass elderly people or torture prisoners! The IDF is the most humane army in the world! We use rubber bullets against ten year olds, doesn't that show how loving we are?!!!
The ISM is wrong! So is Amnesty International, the UN and every international and human rights group in the Middle East! We are not occupants or murderers or imperialists!
Damn it... OK, yes we are!
We are Zionists! That is our ideology and way of life!
Do you have a problem? Then we will accuse of you of being an antisemite! Even if you are Jewish!
So stay out of our way!
Or we will get the bulldozers!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Oops! I mean... don't fall for the lies of the ISM! We Zionists don't kill kids, destroy homes, harass elderly people or torture prisoners! The IDF is the most humane army in the world! We use rubber bullets against ten year olds, doesn't that show how loving we are?!!!
The ISM is wrong! So is Amnesty International, the UN and every international and human rights group in the Middle East! We are not occupants or murderers or imperialists!
Damn it... OK, yes we are!
We are Zionists! That is our ideology and way of life!
Do you have a problem? Then we will accuse of you of being an antisemite! Even if you are Jewish!
So stay out of our way!
Or we will get the bulldozers!
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
What is ISM? A bunch of overpriveldged white kids whose ancestors 1) colonized Africa, Asia, and the MIddle east to "civilize" them (and steal, enslave, and rape)..
2) Committed Genocide against my people (the Native Americans) because they were too greedy to live with us because they wanted the land all for themselves.
3) Enslaved Africans cause they were too cheep to pay for labor. 4) Killed the Jews to steal their gold filings.
Then we have today, where they are soo obsessed and angry that the Jews might be getting away with.... what they have. If IMS were logical they would pay reparations to all the groups that have been harmed by their thevery and brutality... then they would sail back to Europe. I am a Native American, and why is it when I want you settlers to get off my property and go back to Europe... you refuse?
Your hatred of injustice does not stop all you arrogant white acitivists tol live parasitcally off them when it is to your comfort.
2) Committed Genocide against my people (the Native Americans) because they were too greedy to live with us because they wanted the land all for themselves.
3) Enslaved Africans cause they were too cheep to pay for labor. 4) Killed the Jews to steal their gold filings.
Then we have today, where they are soo obsessed and angry that the Jews might be getting away with.... what they have. If IMS were logical they would pay reparations to all the groups that have been harmed by their thevery and brutality... then they would sail back to Europe. I am a Native American, and why is it when I want you settlers to get off my property and go back to Europe... you refuse?
Your hatred of injustice does not stop all you arrogant white acitivists tol live parasitcally off them when it is to your comfort.
The ISM is a group of privileged and spoiled white kids. Instead of going to the Yad Vashem centre and visiting the site of the infamous Cook's Creek massacre, they visit places where human rights abuses are presently being committed and try to put an end to them to ensure that there will not be a need for more memorials of inhumanity in the future. Sounds crazy, doesn't it? Instead of crying for the dead, these crazed kids are trying to help those who are still alive.
The poor Zionist Israelis, being attacked for what they stole from millions of people and being unfairly criticized for drenching their hands in the blood of thousands of Palestinians. Poor Ariel Sharon, being unfairly condemned as a killer for conducting massacres of Palestinians greater in scale than what Custer and others like him did on this continent a a bit more than a few hundred years ago.
So dear Native, keep on supporting and defending our Zionist state with your energy and vigor. Just like most white colonists supported the criminals who slaughtered and displaced your ancestors in the past.
You do have a lot in common.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
The poor Zionist Israelis, being attacked for what they stole from millions of people and being unfairly criticized for drenching their hands in the blood of thousands of Palestinians. Poor Ariel Sharon, being unfairly condemned as a killer for conducting massacres of Palestinians greater in scale than what Custer and others like him did on this continent a a bit more than a few hundred years ago.
So dear Native, keep on supporting and defending our Zionist state with your energy and vigor. Just like most white colonists supported the criminals who slaughtered and displaced your ancestors in the past.
You do have a lot in common.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Of course Palestinians are not being 'massacred' by the IDF. There was no massacre in Sabra and Shatila. More than 2,000 Palestinian civilians intentionally slaughtered themselves to kill poor Ariel Sharon and the Phalange a black eye. There was no massacre in Qana, everyone knows that unlike Arab missiles, Israeli munitions have never been known to hurt civilians when fired into refugee camps. The shelling of Beirut may have killed a few thousand people, but Israelis were not the victims so therefore no massacre occured. International reports of Palestinan children being shot, of houses being raked indiscriminately with gunfire during 'operation defensive shield', of homes being bulldozed with their terrified occupants still inside, of PA prisoners being executed in cold blood- these cannot point to any human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Violating human rights is not a crime, it is standard IDF policy. Anyone who says differently is either a fascist or an antisemite- even if he or she happens to be Jewish.
Barely any Palestinians have died during their 'idiotic' war- defending their homeland against an occupation that is in defiance of international law. Only 2,201 Palestinians have been gently and lovingly put to rest by the settlers and the IDF. This does not include the number of sick and wounded Palestinans because of IDF restrictions of movement which prevented them from reaching hospitals.
In shocking contrast, over 757 Israelis have been cruelly murdered by Palestinian terrorists during the same period of time. They were murdered in horrific suicide bombings unlike the Palestinians who were gently put to sleep by funloving IDF troopers with their friendly guns, sweet smelling teargas and massive-but-nice tanks and bulldozers.
Anyone who dares to suggest that Israel is guilty of any wrong doing is plain crazy. So is most of Europe, the Middle East, and a growing number of Jews and other people in North America who are beginning to see Zionism for what it really is.
Luckily for us, they don't receive 3 billion dollars a year from the leader of the most powerful nation in the world.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Barely any Palestinians have died during their 'idiotic' war- defending their homeland against an occupation that is in defiance of international law. Only 2,201 Palestinians have been gently and lovingly put to rest by the settlers and the IDF. This does not include the number of sick and wounded Palestinans because of IDF restrictions of movement which prevented them from reaching hospitals.
In shocking contrast, over 757 Israelis have been cruelly murdered by Palestinian terrorists during the same period of time. They were murdered in horrific suicide bombings unlike the Palestinians who were gently put to sleep by funloving IDF troopers with their friendly guns, sweet smelling teargas and massive-but-nice tanks and bulldozers.
Anyone who dares to suggest that Israel is guilty of any wrong doing is plain crazy. So is most of Europe, the Middle East, and a growing number of Jews and other people in North America who are beginning to see Zionism for what it really is.
Luckily for us, they don't receive 3 billion dollars a year from the leader of the most powerful nation in the world.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
don't you see this guy is fake just like the other one, "Zionist Jew"?
This is hilarious . . .
thanks
This is hilarious . . .
thanks
Here I am in the local library, giggling out loud and receiving dirty looks for my efforts. It's rather difficult to stifle a chuckle when one is reading your posts, as I have been doing for the past wee while here.
Excellent, my friend! Totally excellent! We love it!
Keep up the good fight 'til I return (and beyond!)
Cheers,
Angie (grinning foolishly regardless of the curious stares from those seated at my immediate right!)
Excellent, my friend! Totally excellent! We love it!
Keep up the good fight 'til I return (and beyond!)
Cheers,
Angie (grinning foolishly regardless of the curious stares from those seated at my immediate right!)
It looks like there is some sort of a indymedia board equilibrium.
that is that if a "concerned zionist" is to leave then his niche will be filled by a "zionist jew" (it is like a game of "wack a mole")
Similarly critical thinker serves as a back up for Hi. (not to say that they are exactly the same)
If that system fails then the discussion will be significantly reduced on the topic in question but while thee will be less of for example "angie" type comments there will also be less reactionary comments to her of a similar type but from the opposite perspective. So although slower the topic will continue along the same lines.
Still there is time for someone to step in and fill the "confused but angry little girl" (who displays her emotions as openly as possible and ties them directly to whether the person agrees with her politically or not) niche.
that is that if a "concerned zionist" is to leave then his niche will be filled by a "zionist jew" (it is like a game of "wack a mole")
Similarly critical thinker serves as a back up for Hi. (not to say that they are exactly the same)
If that system fails then the discussion will be significantly reduced on the topic in question but while thee will be less of for example "angie" type comments there will also be less reactionary comments to her of a similar type but from the opposite perspective. So although slower the topic will continue along the same lines.
Still there is time for someone to step in and fill the "confused but angry little girl" (who displays her emotions as openly as possible and ties them directly to whether the person agrees with her politically or not) niche.
Dear Scottie,
I am not 'Zionist Jew'. As I once stated, I am a Zionist, and neither Judaism or any other religion has any place in our ideology, you know that as well as I do.
I do not know who 'Zionist Jew' is, but he seems like a good Zionist. We just need to get him to renounce this Judaism thing before he sees our ideology for what it really is: a godless and inhuman land grabbing scheme. If we don't nu-Judaize him quickly enough, chances are he will leave our clan.
I will be gone camping for the next 2 weeks, I'd love to check out our Zionist stormtroopers at the Ansar III or some other Israeli military prison, but it looks like instead of going to the promised land I may have to settle for 2 weeks under a tent in some Canadian national park.
Try to talk some sense into 'Zionist Jew' while I am away. Try to get him to realize how far apart his religion and our ideology actually are.
He seems like a good stormtrooper, just like me and you.
Let's not run the risk of him getting back on the path of humanity from whence we already strayed.
Good luck, my friend.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
I am not 'Zionist Jew'. As I once stated, I am a Zionist, and neither Judaism or any other religion has any place in our ideology, you know that as well as I do.
I do not know who 'Zionist Jew' is, but he seems like a good Zionist. We just need to get him to renounce this Judaism thing before he sees our ideology for what it really is: a godless and inhuman land grabbing scheme. If we don't nu-Judaize him quickly enough, chances are he will leave our clan.
I will be gone camping for the next 2 weeks, I'd love to check out our Zionist stormtroopers at the Ansar III or some other Israeli military prison, but it looks like instead of going to the promised land I may have to settle for 2 weeks under a tent in some Canadian national park.
Try to talk some sense into 'Zionist Jew' while I am away. Try to get him to realize how far apart his religion and our ideology actually are.
He seems like a good stormtrooper, just like me and you.
Let's not run the risk of him getting back on the path of humanity from whence we already strayed.
Good luck, my friend.
Heil Sharon!
- A concerned Zionist
Am I to assume (though we should never assume anything) that the person posting above my dear Concerned Zionist is referring to me? Surely not!
Who, in his or her right mind, would brand me as a confused angry little girl"?
No one that I know! It makes for entertaining reading, however, on my first afternoon back in two weeks.
Sigh! Too bad I haven't time to scan everything here right now, but all good things come to those who wait, as I must do right now, and wait and wait . .
Who, in his or her right mind, would brand me as a confused angry little girl"?
No one that I know! It makes for entertaining reading, however, on my first afternoon back in two weeks.
Sigh! Too bad I haven't time to scan everything here right now, but all good things come to those who wait, as I must do right now, and wait and wait . .
If it is anti-Israel, is it necessarily a lie?
Dear Concerned Zionist,
This place is not going to be the same without your hysterical input over the next two weeks. Hope you enjoy a well deserved break as I can only imagine how difficult and trying driving a bulldozer can be.
I have a wee bit of amusement I'm going to post later on for the benefit of Abraham and his Joke of the Day thread, but I have to find it first (grin!)
Looking forward to your return in two weeks time, and, hey, enjoy (Oh) Canada's national park(s).
Angie
This place is not going to be the same without your hysterical input over the next two weeks. Hope you enjoy a well deserved break as I can only imagine how difficult and trying driving a bulldozer can be.
I have a wee bit of amusement I'm going to post later on for the benefit of Abraham and his Joke of the Day thread, but I have to find it first (grin!)
Looking forward to your return in two weeks time, and, hey, enjoy (Oh) Canada's national park(s).
Angie
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