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My Reflections on Leaving Palestine
Reflections of SF activist and ISM volunteer Brooke Atherton on leaving occupied Palestine.
Two Kinds of Prison: Reflections on Leaving Palestine
by Brooke Atherton
July 22, 2003
On Thursday, a man in the streets of Qalqilia asked me, “Do they think we are animals? Not even human? They have put us in a cage.”
Every day that we visited the Qalqilia checkpoint, we watched the “progress” of the Israeli Occupying Forces' Apartheid Wall which is holding 40,000 Palestinians captive in their own city, on their own land (for pictures and maps see http://home.earthlink.net/~brookehatherton/id6.html). Each day the fenced section of the Apartheid Wall on either side of the checkpoint looms closer to completion. In two days, trenches six feet wide and and equally as deep were dug on either side of the central fence. The next day, the Israeli Occupying Forces erected triangular coils of barbed wired eight feet high running the entire length of each trench. The concrete base for the central fence has been laid, and any day the 12-foot-tall fence will be erected, and possibly electrified.
From the checkpoint, you can see more fenced sections of the Apartheid Wall snaking up the hilly Qalqilia region, through Palestinian farmlands and villages. On other side of the the wall where trees and crops once grew are 30-foot-wide roads for the vehicles of the Israeli Occupying Forces. Two large Israeli colonies (settlements) sit in plain view from the Qalqilia checkpoint on the side of the fence where people, Israeli settlers, can move freely as they please. As far as the eye can see, the Israeli Occupying Forces' bulldozers, dump-trucks, trench diggers, army jeeps, armed contractors, and hired “security” officers are moving on the barren roads along the Apartheid Wall. Clouds of dirt rise into the air as the construction continues at a frenzied pace, creating an eerie feeling of doom. Each day I stood there watching the construction and I asked myself - does anyone in the outside world understand the atrocity of this Apartheid Wall? Can anyone who has not been here and stood inside this cage while it is built around you feel the fear and anger and horror which it instills?
On Friday afternoon, the local ISM coordinator, Faris, and I dropped by the house of one of his friends who was having computer problems. His friend, Majer, was desperate to get his web camera working. His wife and four children live in Gaza and he has not seen them in three years. They had bought web cameras to try to see each other, but so far, his family had only been able to see him through the computer, but the images of his wife and children were not coming through to his computer. Majer has a business in Qalqilia and before the Intifada, he could travel freely back and forth between Gaza and Qalqilia. But Majer was trapped in Qalqilia when the Intifada started, and now he does not know when he will see his wife and children again. Sadly, Faris was not able to fix the web camera so that Majer could see his family through the internet.
Qalqilia is less than 10 miles from Tel Aviv and the Mediterranean Sea. My friend Mohammad is 28 and he tells me that before the Intifada, before the Apartheid Wall, he and his friends used to go to the beach at midnight and stay until 5 am, talking, swimming, laughing, dancing to the Tablah. Last weekend Mohammad left Qalqilia for the first time in 2 years, but he did not go to the beach.
I asked Mohammad's 18-year-old sister, Hiba, if she thought the Apartheid Wall would ever come down. She replied, “It is very doubtful while America gives money to Israel. While America gives money to Israel, they continue to build this wall. Israel will not stop.”
The night before I left Qalqilia, Ahmad, a friend and local press photographer, told us he was sad because he knew in time that all of us internationals would leave. I told him I planned to come back, and that I hoped that one day I might be able to some back when Palestine is free and there is no wall around Qalqilia. He told me in all seriousness, “When you come back, we will all be dead. I don not think Palestine will ever be free.”
I left Qalqilia early Sunday morning with a wave of my United States passport in the direction of the soldiers at the checkpoint. They did not ask me any questions or even ask to look inside the passport. To travel so freely as a stranger in a country where the indigenous people can often barely leave their homes without enduring harassment or mortal danger from the Israeli Occupying Forces makes me feel the racism here in the pit of my stomach in a way that can make me feel ill.
From Qalqilia I traveled to Nablus to visit friends from my time in Palestine last summer. I stayed in the home of my friend Zeiad's family. He had some meetings in the afternoon and invited me to stay at the house to eat lunch with the women and children in his family. They welcomed me with incredible hospitality. We ate Palestinian food while the children sat on my lap, pulled on my hair, and made funny faces at me to make me giggle while their moms weren't watching.
Two of Zeiad's brothers are in Israeli prison. I had met their wives and children before, but never had a chance to spend time with them. The last time I was in Nablus both Raed and Hussien were free. Raed's wife Sojat is 23, and she is beautiful. They have three children-- Nibal is 4, Nabil is 5, and Manar is 2. The last night I was in Nablus last summer was the first time the Israeli Occupying Forces had come to Zeiad's family's house looking for the youngest, Raed, who is 26. Raed was not home at the time, but the soldiers proceeded to force the family out into the street and completely trash every room in the house. The house consists of four apartments: one for Zeiad's parents and his youngest unmarried siblings, and one apartment each for Zeiad and his two brothers and their wives and children. The soldiers shot so many rounds of bullets in the house that walls, mattresses, even baby clothes were riddled with bullet holes. The family collected four bowls full of empty shells when they cleaned the house the next day. Dressers, beds, chairs were overturned. Anything in a drawer or cabinet was strewn on the floor. Mirrors were broken. Raed was a fighter, but he never killed anyone and he never fought outside of Nablus. He only fought against the Israeli Occupying Forces in defense of his city during the Israeli military invasion of the Spring of 2002. After the soldiers came to his home looking for him, Raed began to consider turning himself in to spare his family from the terror of the Israeli Occupying Forces. When the Israeli army threatened to demolish his family's home, Raed made up his mind and turned himself in. His sentence is 20 years. I can't even imagine what it must feel like for his wife and children to know that they will not have him in their lives for the next twenty years. His children will be adults before he comes home.
A few months after Raed turned himself in on the promise that if he went to prison his family could live in peace, the Israeli Occupying Forces came back to his family's home. This time, they ordered the entire family outside and again trashed the house. Then they ordered the women and children inside, but kept all of the men in the family kneeling outside in the cold at gunpoint. This night, the Israeli Occupying Forces arrested Raed's brother Hussien for no given reason. He has been in prison for about 9 months and it is not clear when he will be released or even why he is being held prisoner. He has served six months of “administrative detention,” but when the six months was finished, the Israeli Occupying Forces gave him another six months rather than setting him free. When this period is completed, who knows what will happen. “Administrative detention” is the process of arresting someone on suspicion and holding them prisoner without charges or any legal process for getting released.
Hussein's wife's name is Jihan and they have three children-- Faras is 11, Mohammad is 6, and Diat it 2. The entire day that I was at Zeiad's house, Jihan kept checking on me to see if I needed anything. In the afternoon, she came in to show me two stone heart necklaces from her wedding that had her and her husband's names engraved on either side of them. Later, she gave me a beaded ring. In our limited Arabic and English, I was able to understand that the ring had something to do with her husband, but I could not figure out exactly what. The next day, I saw Khalil, a friend who was just freed from Israeli prison three weeks ago after six months of “administrative detention”. Khalil noticed my ring immediately and told me that the Palestinian prisoners make them as one of the ways they pass their time in captivity.
There is massive popular support in Palestine for the release of all of the 7,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons. In the two weeks I spent in Qalqilia, I participated in three different demonstrations for the prisoners, and there was another demonstration for the prisoners in Qalqilia today. Recently there have been many marches in protests for the Palestinian prisoners in other Palestinian cities as well. My 16-year-old friend Hanan, wrote this poem:
Freedom
Freedom to the prisoners
in the Israeli Occupation Jails
Stop arrest, torture, and killing
of Palestinian children
We demand international protection
from Israeli massacres
against the Palestinian people
I am leaving Palestine tomorrow, but the Palestinian prisoners - the men and women in Israeli prisons, and the Palestinians being held captive in their own homes - are in my mind and in my heart. I hope those of us in the United States can do everything we can to stop our government's funding of this imprisonment.
-Brooke Atherton
http://home.earthlink.net/~brookehatherton/
by Brooke Atherton
July 22, 2003
On Thursday, a man in the streets of Qalqilia asked me, “Do they think we are animals? Not even human? They have put us in a cage.”
Every day that we visited the Qalqilia checkpoint, we watched the “progress” of the Israeli Occupying Forces' Apartheid Wall which is holding 40,000 Palestinians captive in their own city, on their own land (for pictures and maps see http://home.earthlink.net/~brookehatherton/id6.html). Each day the fenced section of the Apartheid Wall on either side of the checkpoint looms closer to completion. In two days, trenches six feet wide and and equally as deep were dug on either side of the central fence. The next day, the Israeli Occupying Forces erected triangular coils of barbed wired eight feet high running the entire length of each trench. The concrete base for the central fence has been laid, and any day the 12-foot-tall fence will be erected, and possibly electrified.
From the checkpoint, you can see more fenced sections of the Apartheid Wall snaking up the hilly Qalqilia region, through Palestinian farmlands and villages. On other side of the the wall where trees and crops once grew are 30-foot-wide roads for the vehicles of the Israeli Occupying Forces. Two large Israeli colonies (settlements) sit in plain view from the Qalqilia checkpoint on the side of the fence where people, Israeli settlers, can move freely as they please. As far as the eye can see, the Israeli Occupying Forces' bulldozers, dump-trucks, trench diggers, army jeeps, armed contractors, and hired “security” officers are moving on the barren roads along the Apartheid Wall. Clouds of dirt rise into the air as the construction continues at a frenzied pace, creating an eerie feeling of doom. Each day I stood there watching the construction and I asked myself - does anyone in the outside world understand the atrocity of this Apartheid Wall? Can anyone who has not been here and stood inside this cage while it is built around you feel the fear and anger and horror which it instills?
On Friday afternoon, the local ISM coordinator, Faris, and I dropped by the house of one of his friends who was having computer problems. His friend, Majer, was desperate to get his web camera working. His wife and four children live in Gaza and he has not seen them in three years. They had bought web cameras to try to see each other, but so far, his family had only been able to see him through the computer, but the images of his wife and children were not coming through to his computer. Majer has a business in Qalqilia and before the Intifada, he could travel freely back and forth between Gaza and Qalqilia. But Majer was trapped in Qalqilia when the Intifada started, and now he does not know when he will see his wife and children again. Sadly, Faris was not able to fix the web camera so that Majer could see his family through the internet.
Qalqilia is less than 10 miles from Tel Aviv and the Mediterranean Sea. My friend Mohammad is 28 and he tells me that before the Intifada, before the Apartheid Wall, he and his friends used to go to the beach at midnight and stay until 5 am, talking, swimming, laughing, dancing to the Tablah. Last weekend Mohammad left Qalqilia for the first time in 2 years, but he did not go to the beach.
I asked Mohammad's 18-year-old sister, Hiba, if she thought the Apartheid Wall would ever come down. She replied, “It is very doubtful while America gives money to Israel. While America gives money to Israel, they continue to build this wall. Israel will not stop.”
The night before I left Qalqilia, Ahmad, a friend and local press photographer, told us he was sad because he knew in time that all of us internationals would leave. I told him I planned to come back, and that I hoped that one day I might be able to some back when Palestine is free and there is no wall around Qalqilia. He told me in all seriousness, “When you come back, we will all be dead. I don not think Palestine will ever be free.”
I left Qalqilia early Sunday morning with a wave of my United States passport in the direction of the soldiers at the checkpoint. They did not ask me any questions or even ask to look inside the passport. To travel so freely as a stranger in a country where the indigenous people can often barely leave their homes without enduring harassment or mortal danger from the Israeli Occupying Forces makes me feel the racism here in the pit of my stomach in a way that can make me feel ill.
From Qalqilia I traveled to Nablus to visit friends from my time in Palestine last summer. I stayed in the home of my friend Zeiad's family. He had some meetings in the afternoon and invited me to stay at the house to eat lunch with the women and children in his family. They welcomed me with incredible hospitality. We ate Palestinian food while the children sat on my lap, pulled on my hair, and made funny faces at me to make me giggle while their moms weren't watching.
Two of Zeiad's brothers are in Israeli prison. I had met their wives and children before, but never had a chance to spend time with them. The last time I was in Nablus both Raed and Hussien were free. Raed's wife Sojat is 23, and she is beautiful. They have three children-- Nibal is 4, Nabil is 5, and Manar is 2. The last night I was in Nablus last summer was the first time the Israeli Occupying Forces had come to Zeiad's family's house looking for the youngest, Raed, who is 26. Raed was not home at the time, but the soldiers proceeded to force the family out into the street and completely trash every room in the house. The house consists of four apartments: one for Zeiad's parents and his youngest unmarried siblings, and one apartment each for Zeiad and his two brothers and their wives and children. The soldiers shot so many rounds of bullets in the house that walls, mattresses, even baby clothes were riddled with bullet holes. The family collected four bowls full of empty shells when they cleaned the house the next day. Dressers, beds, chairs were overturned. Anything in a drawer or cabinet was strewn on the floor. Mirrors were broken. Raed was a fighter, but he never killed anyone and he never fought outside of Nablus. He only fought against the Israeli Occupying Forces in defense of his city during the Israeli military invasion of the Spring of 2002. After the soldiers came to his home looking for him, Raed began to consider turning himself in to spare his family from the terror of the Israeli Occupying Forces. When the Israeli army threatened to demolish his family's home, Raed made up his mind and turned himself in. His sentence is 20 years. I can't even imagine what it must feel like for his wife and children to know that they will not have him in their lives for the next twenty years. His children will be adults before he comes home.
A few months after Raed turned himself in on the promise that if he went to prison his family could live in peace, the Israeli Occupying Forces came back to his family's home. This time, they ordered the entire family outside and again trashed the house. Then they ordered the women and children inside, but kept all of the men in the family kneeling outside in the cold at gunpoint. This night, the Israeli Occupying Forces arrested Raed's brother Hussien for no given reason. He has been in prison for about 9 months and it is not clear when he will be released or even why he is being held prisoner. He has served six months of “administrative detention,” but when the six months was finished, the Israeli Occupying Forces gave him another six months rather than setting him free. When this period is completed, who knows what will happen. “Administrative detention” is the process of arresting someone on suspicion and holding them prisoner without charges or any legal process for getting released.
Hussein's wife's name is Jihan and they have three children-- Faras is 11, Mohammad is 6, and Diat it 2. The entire day that I was at Zeiad's house, Jihan kept checking on me to see if I needed anything. In the afternoon, she came in to show me two stone heart necklaces from her wedding that had her and her husband's names engraved on either side of them. Later, she gave me a beaded ring. In our limited Arabic and English, I was able to understand that the ring had something to do with her husband, but I could not figure out exactly what. The next day, I saw Khalil, a friend who was just freed from Israeli prison three weeks ago after six months of “administrative detention”. Khalil noticed my ring immediately and told me that the Palestinian prisoners make them as one of the ways they pass their time in captivity.
There is massive popular support in Palestine for the release of all of the 7,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons. In the two weeks I spent in Qalqilia, I participated in three different demonstrations for the prisoners, and there was another demonstration for the prisoners in Qalqilia today. Recently there have been many marches in protests for the Palestinian prisoners in other Palestinian cities as well. My 16-year-old friend Hanan, wrote this poem:
Freedom
Freedom to the prisoners
in the Israeli Occupation Jails
Stop arrest, torture, and killing
of Palestinian children
We demand international protection
from Israeli massacres
against the Palestinian people
I am leaving Palestine tomorrow, but the Palestinian prisoners - the men and women in Israeli prisons, and the Palestinians being held captive in their own homes - are in my mind and in my heart. I hope those of us in the United States can do everything we can to stop our government's funding of this imprisonment.
-Brooke Atherton
http://home.earthlink.net/~brookehatherton/
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You completely ignore the fact that the Wall is a result of the Intifada War. The Palestinians started a war and now they are complaining that they are losing the war! A fence is a gentle and peaceful response to the sort of attack Israel has been under. Any other nation would have crossed the border with tanks blazing and flattened the Palestinian cities.
Secondly, you completely ignore the fact that the only reason for the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is that the Palestinians have refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish nation, and have taken to arms to destroy Israel.
The Arabs/Palestinians would have complete sovereignty over the West Bank and Gaza if only they had not started a series of genocidal wars in 1948 to erase the Jewish State.
The Palestinians have been intoxicated with blood and practically worshiped death, perverting Islams prohibitions against suicide in the name of a futile war.
The Palestinian strategy for fighting the Second Intifada is to start a war and then lose the battles on television. Israelis won't fall for this trick but a lot of Europeans and a few Americans do.
Complaints that the Israelis have fought the war brutally are a joke, if Israel had wished to be brutal, the Palestinians would not be losing 1,000 people a year but 1,000 people an hour.
It is completely libelous and insane to accuse the Israelis of racism. The very premise of the Palestinian/Arab position is ethnocentric prejudice and religious intolerance to a murderous degree.
The Israeliss started the war in 1948, when they declared part of Palestine to be theirs and theirs alone.
A FREQUENT ZIONIST TOOL IS TO ACCUSE THE OPPOSING PARTY OF WHAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF.
THUS, 'FACTOID' REPRESENTS THIS QUITE COMMON PHENOMENON VERY AFFECTIVELY.
ALSO, WHEN THE TRUTH IS NOT ON THEIR SIDE,THEY PROCEED TO LIE AND LATER LIE ABOUT LYING .
IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUS
AND DON'T SUFFER FROM "JEWISH" GUILT WHAT SO EVER!
THUS, 'FACTOID' REPRESENTS THIS QUITE COMMON PHENOMENON VERY AFFECTIVELY.
ALSO, WHEN THE TRUTH IS NOT ON THEIR SIDE,THEY PROCEED TO LIE AND LATER LIE ABOUT LYING .
IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUS
AND DON'T SUFFER FROM "JEWISH" GUILT WHAT SO EVER!
No, Israel did not start the 1948 war. Arab countries teamed up and tried to eliminate Israel. Furthermore, the land Israel was on had been owned by the turks for hundreds of years, then britain, then the UN, and it was put into the hands of the main people building it up, jews. That's not "starting a war." ACTUALLY STARTING A WAR is starting a war.
THe post about "zionists" above is too LAUGHABLE to respond to.
It's also LAUGHABLE that you people are still obsessed with israel forming at all. It's a done deal. Get over it. Israel formed the same way about half of earth formed. If you want to dismantle israel because force was involved in forming it, you better also want to dismantle about half the arab countries, pakistan, the united states, australia, and about five dozen other countries at the minimum.
Israel isn't leaving. As for "Palestine," 80% of "historic palestine" -- the territory that existed for hundreds of years -- is now the country of JORDAN. The remaining 20% is divided between israel, the west bank and gaza. And when palestinians can be nice and cuddly and lovable, israel will reward them with land control so they can make a state. Yay!
THe post about "zionists" above is too LAUGHABLE to respond to.
It's also LAUGHABLE that you people are still obsessed with israel forming at all. It's a done deal. Get over it. Israel formed the same way about half of earth formed. If you want to dismantle israel because force was involved in forming it, you better also want to dismantle about half the arab countries, pakistan, the united states, australia, and about five dozen other countries at the minimum.
Israel isn't leaving. As for "Palestine," 80% of "historic palestine" -- the territory that existed for hundreds of years -- is now the country of JORDAN. The remaining 20% is divided between israel, the west bank and gaza. And when palestinians can be nice and cuddly and lovable, israel will reward them with land control so they can make a state. Yay!
That's what the Crusaders said, also the Turks and the British.
Make the Wall useless now...
Palestinian State with Reasonable Border now...
Borders set back to Israel pre 1967...
In order to end the resistance to the occupation, end the occupation therefore end the reason for the resistance..
West Bank and Gaza are only 22% of what is TODAY, Israel, West Bank and Gaza.
PLEASE LOOK AT THE MAP IN THE FOLLOWING WEB PAGE:
The Orange areas are Israeli settlements in the already small 22% that is West Bank and Gaza. What kind of carved up mess will the Palestinian State be unless all the settlements are removed (which will probably never happen) or just make the settlements part of the New Palestinian State (which can happen right now)??
CLICK HERE > http://mondediplo.com/maps/IMG/artoff3260.jpg
For details on how this can happen today:
CLICK HERE > http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/120185.php
Palestinian State with Reasonable Border now...
Borders set back to Israel pre 1967...
In order to end the resistance to the occupation, end the occupation therefore end the reason for the resistance..
West Bank and Gaza are only 22% of what is TODAY, Israel, West Bank and Gaza.
PLEASE LOOK AT THE MAP IN THE FOLLOWING WEB PAGE:
The Orange areas are Israeli settlements in the already small 22% that is West Bank and Gaza. What kind of carved up mess will the Palestinian State be unless all the settlements are removed (which will probably never happen) or just make the settlements part of the New Palestinian State (which can happen right now)??
CLICK HERE > http://mondediplo.com/maps/IMG/artoff3260.jpg
For details on how this can happen today:
CLICK HERE > http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/120185.php
I checked out the map, isn't amazing how many Arab refugee camps are still left over from 50 years ago. Where are they planning on "settling" these people?
I think the Jews should start calling their settlements, refugee camps, like the Arabs do, thus ending the fake problem!
I think the Jews should start calling their settlements, refugee camps, like the Arabs do, thus ending the fake problem!
"which were stolen from them at gun point by the Israelis. To do anything else would be to abet ethnic cleansing.
You have no idea what "ethnic cleansing" is, which explains why you use such a nice name for it. Less than 10% of these refugees ever made contact with an Israeli! Is it not
funny how the Jews missed so many Arabs (almost half) in their 48' "ethnic cleansing" attack? It is perhaps poetic justice that the Arabs who chose to stay, (and didn't listen to their clerical morons) enjoy more freedoms and best standard of living of any Arab.
You know the attack, when 4,000 Jewish militiamen quickly attacked 4 Arab nations with massive standing armies plus two token forces, from Iraq and Saudi Arabia, them Jews brave son's of bastards!
You have no idea what "ethnic cleansing" is, which explains why you use such a nice name for it. Less than 10% of these refugees ever made contact with an Israeli! Is it not
funny how the Jews missed so many Arabs (almost half) in their 48' "ethnic cleansing" attack? It is perhaps poetic justice that the Arabs who chose to stay, (and didn't listen to their clerical morons) enjoy more freedoms and best standard of living of any Arab.
You know the attack, when 4,000 Jewish militiamen quickly attacked 4 Arab nations with massive standing armies plus two token forces, from Iraq and Saudi Arabia, them Jews brave son's of bastards!
That's irrelevant, because they heard about the Arab atrocities like Hebron in 1929. You can play the blame game all the time, but it does not excuse the crime.
"A gilded cage is still a cage."
What cage?
"A gilded cage is still a cage."
What cage?
nessie thinks the fact that arabs in israel enjoy a "decent quality standard of living" is irrevelant. That's funny.
>It's a country, made up of people.
A country is not made up of people, but of institutions and laws. To confuse the state with the population is a synecdoche. The Israeli people are welcome to stay. The state of Israel is the problem, not the people.
>TO make israel "leave" you have to successfully murder enough country members to make it happen.
Wrong. What we have to do is convince enough Israelis that they are better off in a secular society where people don’t want to murder them for their support of an oppressive state.
>I know you Leftists want that to happen,
That’s a lie. You’d like the world to believe that so that they will continue to support your own racist oppression of the Palestinians. It is far easier for you to slander leftists than it is to defend your own evil ways. You act like you learned the art of propaganda from Goebbles himself. Considering how intimate Zionists have been with the Nazis, the SS especially, and Eichmann in particular, it is no wonder that some of their ways have rubbed off on you, After all, the only real difference between Nazi racism and Zionist racism is that one is German and the other is Jewish. Either way, racism is racism, Zionists are racists, and Israel is a racist state.
A country is not made up of people, but of institutions and laws. To confuse the state with the population is a synecdoche. The Israeli people are welcome to stay. The state of Israel is the problem, not the people.
>TO make israel "leave" you have to successfully murder enough country members to make it happen.
Wrong. What we have to do is convince enough Israelis that they are better off in a secular society where people don’t want to murder them for their support of an oppressive state.
>I know you Leftists want that to happen,
That’s a lie. You’d like the world to believe that so that they will continue to support your own racist oppression of the Palestinians. It is far easier for you to slander leftists than it is to defend your own evil ways. You act like you learned the art of propaganda from Goebbles himself. Considering how intimate Zionists have been with the Nazis, the SS especially, and Eichmann in particular, it is no wonder that some of their ways have rubbed off on you, After all, the only real difference between Nazi racism and Zionist racism is that one is German and the other is Jewish. Either way, racism is racism, Zionists are racists, and Israel is a racist state.
Yeah, Eichmann. He was von Bolschwing's assistant during the time that at leasat one Haganah commander, Polkes, was collecting a salary from the SS.
See:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/04/120352_comment.php#120573
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/05/127448_comment.php#127704
See:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/04/120352_comment.php#120573
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/05/127448_comment.php#127704
history buff, than why was eichman abducted and brought to a trial to pay for his nazi collaboration>
You want to convince israelis that they're better off if they just let millions of muslims, 99% of whom hate israel with a passion and don't want israel to exist, into israel and give them all citizenship, and then pray that jews don't start getting massacred, murdered and driven out?
What kind of insane freak are you? FUck you. I don't want that to happen, you do.
Furthermore, why are you so intent on demanding that israel let muslims flood in, but you do NOT demand that arab/muslim countries allow jews to be equal citizens or let back in, too?
What kind of insane freak are you? FUck you. I don't want that to happen, you do.
Furthermore, why are you so intent on demanding that israel let muslims flood in, but you do NOT demand that arab/muslim countries allow jews to be equal citizens or let back in, too?
""You want to convince israelis that they're better off if they just let millions of muslims, 99% of whom hate israel with a passion and don't want israel to exist, into israel and give them all citizenship, and then pray that jews don't start getting massacred, murdered and driven out?"" word by ugh
Which is why we need a Palestinian State NOW!!
So the Israelis can live in Israel. and the Palestinian can have Citizenship in the Country of Palestine.
That way the Israeli army can control the Israeli border instead of going into the West Bank and Gaza and committing atrocities.
For a possible solution to this never ending conflict:
CLICK HERE > http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=311985&group=webcast
Which is why we need a Palestinian State NOW!!
So the Israelis can live in Israel. and the Palestinian can have Citizenship in the Country of Palestine.
That way the Israeli army can control the Israeli border instead of going into the West Bank and Gaza and committing atrocities.
For a possible solution to this never ending conflict:
CLICK HERE > http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=311985&group=webcast
Form a Palestinian state now. Then, the next time a Hamas suicide bomber blows up an Israeli bus, it will be an act of agression from one soveriegn state to another, and Israel can launch a full scale defensive war and settle this whole thing right quick.
Is that what you're talking about?
Is that what you're talking about?
> history buff, than why was eichman abducted and brought to a trial to pay for his nazi collaboration
Better question: Why was von Bolschwing not?
Better question: Why was von Bolschwing not?
July 23, 2003
IDF Forces Thwart Terrorist Attack
On July 22, 2003, IDF special forces arrested two Islamic Jihad terrorists planning to carry out an attack inside Israel. The Islamic Jihad terrorists, as well as an addditional wanted Palestinian, were arrested in the village of Rah'i, south west of Jenin.
IDF forces seize a variety of explosive material in the Nablus Casbah
IDF forces operating in the Nablus Casbah seized a variety of explosive material, including 15 pipe bombs, a 10 kilogram bomb, and iron used to manufacture shrapnel. The explosive material was detonated in a controlled explosion by IDF sappers.
In addition, IDF forces uncovered an explosive device weighing tens of kilograms in the village of Sahbastia, north of Nablus. The explosive device was detonated in a controlled explosion. No injuries were reported.
The IDF will continue to use all available legal means to strike at terrorists, their senders, and all those who assist them.
IDF Forces Thwart Terrorist Attack
On July 22, 2003, IDF special forces arrested two Islamic Jihad terrorists planning to carry out an attack inside Israel. The Islamic Jihad terrorists, as well as an addditional wanted Palestinian, were arrested in the village of Rah'i, south west of Jenin.
IDF forces seize a variety of explosive material in the Nablus Casbah
IDF forces operating in the Nablus Casbah seized a variety of explosive material, including 15 pipe bombs, a 10 kilogram bomb, and iron used to manufacture shrapnel. The explosive material was detonated in a controlled explosion by IDF sappers.
In addition, IDF forces uncovered an explosive device weighing tens of kilograms in the village of Sahbastia, north of Nablus. The explosive device was detonated in a controlled explosion. No injuries were reported.
The IDF will continue to use all available legal means to strike at terrorists, their senders, and all those who assist them.
angie, as for "Deir Yassen" while it was obviously lousy that about 100 people died over 50 years ago, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT NOW. THOSE 100 PEOPLE ARE GONE. SINCE THEN, ABOUT 234879432897423897342897324897 OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DIED ON THI PLANET. You have your cute little set of anti-israel events that you are obsessed with repeating over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
You're pathetic.
You don't want a solution. You just want to drum up hatred of israel and all things relating to your fucked up definition of "zionism." You don't want peace for israel. You don't care what happens to the jews of israel. YOu want three things: (1) "Palestine" to be formed (even though 80% of "historic palestine" already exists, it's JORDAN, (2) israel to die and zionism to be stamped out, and (3) for your arab friends to eventually mass-murder the jews.
Your #1 agenda is to try to spread the hatred of israel as much as possible. That's why you continue to bring up these idiotic old isolated events.
I mean, what the fuck. 30 years ago like 50 jews died in iraq. What in hell would be the point of me spending day after day of naming that event and reminding everyone that it took place? What the fuck would be the point? It has no relevance to solving the problems of today. That the arab world today still wants israel exterminated IS a relevant fact. That's why even today only jordan and egypt officially recognize israel as being israel. That is DIRECTLY RELATED to how israel must handle itself when dealing with these other people and nations. You and your stupid isolated events from 40 years ago are basically just retarded.
You're pathetic.
You don't want a solution. You just want to drum up hatred of israel and all things relating to your fucked up definition of "zionism." You don't want peace for israel. You don't care what happens to the jews of israel. YOu want three things: (1) "Palestine" to be formed (even though 80% of "historic palestine" already exists, it's JORDAN, (2) israel to die and zionism to be stamped out, and (3) for your arab friends to eventually mass-murder the jews.
Your #1 agenda is to try to spread the hatred of israel as much as possible. That's why you continue to bring up these idiotic old isolated events.
I mean, what the fuck. 30 years ago like 50 jews died in iraq. What in hell would be the point of me spending day after day of naming that event and reminding everyone that it took place? What the fuck would be the point? It has no relevance to solving the problems of today. That the arab world today still wants israel exterminated IS a relevant fact. That's why even today only jordan and egypt officially recognize israel as being israel. That is DIRECTLY RELATED to how israel must handle itself when dealing with these other people and nations. You and your stupid isolated events from 40 years ago are basically just retarded.
“Get over it,” a correspondent wrote me after I’d mentioned Deir Yassin to him. But the Middle East has never gotten over this formative event in the history of the region. It remains the most lastingly successful terrorist operation in the creation of the state of Israel. It played a large part in Plan Dalet, a Zionist campaign to drive Arabs out of Palestine.
“Deir Yassin was a small Arab village just outside Jerusalem,” write George and Douglas Ball in their book The Passionate Attachment. “It had stayed out of the [Jewish-Arab] struggle and, wishing to be neutral, its inhabitants had entered into a mutual nonaggression pact with the neighboring Jews. They had also agreed not to harbor those attacking the Jews.
“Yet the village was almost the first to suffer the horror of Plan Dalet, which went into effect on April 1, 1948. It called for the destruction and evacuation of twenty villages in order to purge the land of Palestinian inhabitants by gaining ‘control of areas given to us by the UN in addition to areas occupied by us which were outside these borders.’”
On April 9 the irregular forces of the Irgun, led by Israel’s future prime minister Menachem Begin, slaughtered nearly all the residents of the nearly defenseless village. Many survivors of the first assault, all civilians, were marched into the village square, lined up against a wall, and shot. A Red Cross representative arrived while the violence was still in progress; he found 254 dead, including 145 women, 35 of whom were pregnant.
A few of the Arabs of Deir Yassin were still alive. The Balls write, “The other surviving women and children were stripped, and with their hands above their heads, paraded in three open trucks up and down King George V Avenue in Jewish Jerusalem, where spectators spat on them and stoned them.”
This had the desired effect. As word of the massacre spread, hundreds of Arabs fled the land. They have never been allowed to return to their homes. Their houses were destroyed and their property distributed to Jews.
Begin was exultant. He sent a message praising his troops:
“Accept my congratulations on this splendid act of conquest. Convey my regards to all the commanders and soldiers. We shake your hands. We are all proud of the excellent leadership and the fighting spirit in this great attack. We stand to attention in memory of the slain. We lovingly shake the hands of the wounded. Tell the soldiers: you have made history with your attack and your victory. Continue thus until victory. As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou hast chosen us for conquest.”
In his memoirs, Begin made the event sound like a battle, with no mention of the massacre of women and children or of the obscene abuse of the few survivors. But in fact it was a triumph for Plan Dalet — not a heroic defensive feat, but an act of brutal expropriation and a precedent for many others. Even Begin called it a “conquest.”
Nobody was fooled. One of Israel’s founders, David Ben Gurion, had to repudiate Begin and the Irgun, but they were only executing his plan and Ben Gurion himself had never intended to honor the UN boundaries. He accepted them only as a base for future conquest and expansion.
Not only did Begin go on to become Israel’s prime minister; he was vocal in denouncing Arabs for “terrorism,” even as he refused to admit that the Arabs had any rights. Among his servitors was his defense minister, Ariel Sharon, who applied Begin’s methods during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, slaughtering thousands of civilians. (A subsequent inquiry forced Sharon to resign from the cabinet. Not all Israelis are devoid of conscience.)
Such are America’s “reliable allies” in the “war on terrorism.” To most Americans, the events of 1948 and 1982 are ancient history; in fact, to most Americans, history itself (including American history) is ancient history. The very events that shaped today’s world and set the stage for today’s turmoil are deemed too remote to matter. Why won’t those Arabs just shut up?
It’s history, as we say. Get over it.
“Deir Yassin was a small Arab village just outside Jerusalem,” write George and Douglas Ball in their book The Passionate Attachment. “It had stayed out of the [Jewish-Arab] struggle and, wishing to be neutral, its inhabitants had entered into a mutual nonaggression pact with the neighboring Jews. They had also agreed not to harbor those attacking the Jews.
“Yet the village was almost the first to suffer the horror of Plan Dalet, which went into effect on April 1, 1948. It called for the destruction and evacuation of twenty villages in order to purge the land of Palestinian inhabitants by gaining ‘control of areas given to us by the UN in addition to areas occupied by us which were outside these borders.’”
On April 9 the irregular forces of the Irgun, led by Israel’s future prime minister Menachem Begin, slaughtered nearly all the residents of the nearly defenseless village. Many survivors of the first assault, all civilians, were marched into the village square, lined up against a wall, and shot. A Red Cross representative arrived while the violence was still in progress; he found 254 dead, including 145 women, 35 of whom were pregnant.
A few of the Arabs of Deir Yassin were still alive. The Balls write, “The other surviving women and children were stripped, and with their hands above their heads, paraded in three open trucks up and down King George V Avenue in Jewish Jerusalem, where spectators spat on them and stoned them.”
This had the desired effect. As word of the massacre spread, hundreds of Arabs fled the land. They have never been allowed to return to their homes. Their houses were destroyed and their property distributed to Jews.
Begin was exultant. He sent a message praising his troops:
“Accept my congratulations on this splendid act of conquest. Convey my regards to all the commanders and soldiers. We shake your hands. We are all proud of the excellent leadership and the fighting spirit in this great attack. We stand to attention in memory of the slain. We lovingly shake the hands of the wounded. Tell the soldiers: you have made history with your attack and your victory. Continue thus until victory. As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou hast chosen us for conquest.”
In his memoirs, Begin made the event sound like a battle, with no mention of the massacre of women and children or of the obscene abuse of the few survivors. But in fact it was a triumph for Plan Dalet — not a heroic defensive feat, but an act of brutal expropriation and a precedent for many others. Even Begin called it a “conquest.”
Nobody was fooled. One of Israel’s founders, David Ben Gurion, had to repudiate Begin and the Irgun, but they were only executing his plan and Ben Gurion himself had never intended to honor the UN boundaries. He accepted them only as a base for future conquest and expansion.
Not only did Begin go on to become Israel’s prime minister; he was vocal in denouncing Arabs for “terrorism,” even as he refused to admit that the Arabs had any rights. Among his servitors was his defense minister, Ariel Sharon, who applied Begin’s methods during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, slaughtering thousands of civilians. (A subsequent inquiry forced Sharon to resign from the cabinet. Not all Israelis are devoid of conscience.)
Such are America’s “reliable allies” in the “war on terrorism.” To most Americans, the events of 1948 and 1982 are ancient history; in fact, to most Americans, history itself (including American history) is ancient history. The very events that shaped today’s world and set the stage for today’s turmoil are deemed too remote to matter. Why won’t those Arabs just shut up?
It’s history, as we say. Get over it.
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HIS WRITINGS ARE SO POWERFUL, AND RING SO TRUE THAT HE EXPOSES THE TRUE VILLAINS IN A COHERENT MANNER.
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THEY CAN ONLY SURVIVE IN THE DARK UNDERWORLD OF INCOHEREnCY.
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THINK OF THE TRUTH AS " SNOW WHITE" AND THE LIERS AS THE WICKED STEP MOTHER/
EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO THE GRIM BROTHERS AND THE NAZI PRODUCER, DISNEY.
HIS WRITINGS ARE SO POWERFUL, AND RING SO TRUE THAT HE EXPOSES THE TRUE VILLAINS IN A COHERENT MANNER.
COHERENCY IS A DEATH SENTENCE TO LIERS.
THEY CAN ONLY SURVIVE IN THE DARK UNDERWORLD OF INCOHEREnCY.
THEY ATTACK TRUTH AS LIES AND INDOCTRINATE THE YOUTH TO BELIEVE THAT BLACK IS WHITE AND VICA VERSA.
I FEEL BLESSED TO COME ACROSS MR. SORBAN'S WRITINGS AND KNOW BLACK IS BLACK AND NOT WHITE.
THINK OF THE TRUTH AS " SNOW WHITE" AND THE LIERS AS THE WICKED STEP MOTHER/
EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO THE GRIM BROTHERS AND THE NAZI PRODUCER, DISNEY.
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