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Nader moves: This country just does not belong to two parties
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Maverick Nader plans presidential re-run
By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 13/07/2003)
In the campaigning headquarters of the nine Democratic candidates hoping to unseat President George W Bush, there is an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.
Ralph Nader, the maverick Green candidate held responsible by many for the defeat of Al Gore in the last presidential elections, is preparing to stand again in 2004.
Mr Nader's daring run for the White House three years ago delighted the radical fringes of the Democratic Party and infuriated mainstream liberals, who claim that he plundered vital votes from Mr Gore in the tightest of races.
Ralph Nader
Unimpressed by muted Democratic opposition to the war in Iraq, and unhappy with the party's timid campaigning tactics, the 69-year-old veteran activist is now contemplating a repeat performance. Privately, he has told the American Green Party that he is prepared to run again on a "strong liberal message".
"The Democrats seem incapable of defending our country against the Bush marauders," Mr Nader told The Telegraph last week. "One benefit of me running again would be to teach the Democrats how to deconstruct the Bush regime.
"Look at the recent examples of corporate crime at companies such as Enron. These are the companies that fund the Republican cause. They are [Vice-President] Dick Cheney's buddies. But the Democrats have never led with the issue. Bush's foreign policy also needs to be taken on aggressively, not hesitantly. We need to get across the message that he's endangering America."
A Draft Nader 2004 committee has been formed by Greens who hope to have a campaign team in place by the autumn. "He is leaning towards a run," said Juscha Robinson, the head of the party's campaign committee.
It is the worst possible news for the Democratic Party, which is already struggling to find a viable challenger to President Bush.
Even if the president's popularity is dented by continued controversy over the reasons America went to war in Iraq, a Nader candidacy could hobble the Democrats' own nominee before the presidential campaigning has begun properly.
Four years ago, in the tightest presidential race in American history, the straight-talking Mr Nader ruthlessly targeted the liberal activist wing of the Democratic Party, picking up votes from disillusioned environmentalists, opponents of globalisation and radical feminists.
In all, Mr Nader gained 2.78 million votes in a contest that was eventually won by a margin of 537 votes. In Florida, where a controversial recount gripped the attention of the world, 97,488 chads were punched in his favour.
The trauma of Mr Gore's defeat in 2000 led to the creation of a "Repentant Nader voter" website, on which disconsolate Democrats confessed to voting for a candidate who had no chance of winning.
While Democrats have never forgiven him for splitting the liberal vote, Mr Nader refuses to accept that his candidacy may have handed the presidency to George W Bush.
"Twelve times more Democrats in Florida voted for George W Bush than voted for the Nader ticket. Gore couldn't even get his home state of Tennessee, which would have made him president. He couldn't get the state of Arkansas. And he didn't do well on the debates."
This time around, he argues, Democrats could defeat him by adopting his message. "What are they complaining about?" he said. "If I'm a danger they can always take my agenda. And if liberals believe that a tongue-tied, timid Democrat can really beat Bush, then they can vote for him."
When Mr Nader does announce his candidacy, he is sure to face a barrage of criticism from Democratic supporters at the hustings. Mr Nader himself has no regrets.
"This country just does not belong to two parties with everyone else having to shut up and get in line," he said.
By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 13/07/2003)
In the campaigning headquarters of the nine Democratic candidates hoping to unseat President George W Bush, there is an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.
Ralph Nader, the maverick Green candidate held responsible by many for the defeat of Al Gore in the last presidential elections, is preparing to stand again in 2004.
Mr Nader's daring run for the White House three years ago delighted the radical fringes of the Democratic Party and infuriated mainstream liberals, who claim that he plundered vital votes from Mr Gore in the tightest of races.
Ralph Nader
Unimpressed by muted Democratic opposition to the war in Iraq, and unhappy with the party's timid campaigning tactics, the 69-year-old veteran activist is now contemplating a repeat performance. Privately, he has told the American Green Party that he is prepared to run again on a "strong liberal message".
"The Democrats seem incapable of defending our country against the Bush marauders," Mr Nader told The Telegraph last week. "One benefit of me running again would be to teach the Democrats how to deconstruct the Bush regime.
"Look at the recent examples of corporate crime at companies such as Enron. These are the companies that fund the Republican cause. They are [Vice-President] Dick Cheney's buddies. But the Democrats have never led with the issue. Bush's foreign policy also needs to be taken on aggressively, not hesitantly. We need to get across the message that he's endangering America."
A Draft Nader 2004 committee has been formed by Greens who hope to have a campaign team in place by the autumn. "He is leaning towards a run," said Juscha Robinson, the head of the party's campaign committee.
It is the worst possible news for the Democratic Party, which is already struggling to find a viable challenger to President Bush.
Even if the president's popularity is dented by continued controversy over the reasons America went to war in Iraq, a Nader candidacy could hobble the Democrats' own nominee before the presidential campaigning has begun properly.
Four years ago, in the tightest presidential race in American history, the straight-talking Mr Nader ruthlessly targeted the liberal activist wing of the Democratic Party, picking up votes from disillusioned environmentalists, opponents of globalisation and radical feminists.
In all, Mr Nader gained 2.78 million votes in a contest that was eventually won by a margin of 537 votes. In Florida, where a controversial recount gripped the attention of the world, 97,488 chads were punched in his favour.
The trauma of Mr Gore's defeat in 2000 led to the creation of a "Repentant Nader voter" website, on which disconsolate Democrats confessed to voting for a candidate who had no chance of winning.
While Democrats have never forgiven him for splitting the liberal vote, Mr Nader refuses to accept that his candidacy may have handed the presidency to George W Bush.
"Twelve times more Democrats in Florida voted for George W Bush than voted for the Nader ticket. Gore couldn't even get his home state of Tennessee, which would have made him president. He couldn't get the state of Arkansas. And he didn't do well on the debates."
This time around, he argues, Democrats could defeat him by adopting his message. "What are they complaining about?" he said. "If I'm a danger they can always take my agenda. And if liberals believe that a tongue-tied, timid Democrat can really beat Bush, then they can vote for him."
When Mr Nader does announce his candidacy, he is sure to face a barrage of criticism from Democratic supporters at the hustings. Mr Nader himself has no regrets.
"This country just does not belong to two parties with everyone else having to shut up and get in line," he said.
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The, about a month ago, there was that odd story about Nader thinking about running in the Republican primary against Bush (huh?)
I'm all in favor of building a strong Green party, but I do wonder what's up with Nader, and I haven't made up my mind on how to look at all this stuff
If Dean wins it, Nader *may* not run, but he says he's worried that Dean will go too far to the right with his current positions. As it is, Dean supports illegal preemptive war and the death penalty.
So Nader will run as either a Green or an Independent. Most Greens are worried about running him again - sadly, the Greens are afraid of losing any potential Democrats who might someday wake up and want to join them. But at the same time, the Greens know they should not be simply riding on the coattails of household name candidates. They know they have to build the party with dedicated grass roots candidates also. So they may run an unknown - that way they offer *someone,* but won't be shaving enough votes to be trashed by the Democrats.
So Nader may end up with a run as an independent.
Think about it - this is the man who has saved more lives through his consumer safety policies than any of the other candidates combined. He's out there everyday attacking Enron and keeping people aware that NOTHING has been done. And he believes the Democrats will lose.
I'll support him, again. Unless Kucinich wins the primary . . . but the media won't allow that.
Michael Moore and Willie Nelson on a Green presidential ticket would rate higher in the polls than Nader.
Much more education would occur too since both are better speakers than Nader. Media would cover them because the corporate media want the greens to kill the Dems at election time.
And Willie and Michael are heartland candidates (Michigan and Texas)
But then near the election, and after the massive education, they could cut a public deal with the Dems about some key issue endorsements. Such as stopping the drug war. Willie is a much better speaker on that issue than Nader.
Best of both worlds. Massive education, and win the election over Bush.
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