AUDIO: Jeff Blankfort on Israel's Lobby

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This is a terrific program.

Definitely worth listening to.

Jeff Blankfort is very well informed.

I'd *LOVE* to see some of these Zionists -- especially *arch*-Zionists here, like KL, gehrig & Co. -- to try to take Blankfort on at his next lecture!

How 'bout it boys?!!!

PALESTINIANS DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO THE ZIONAZI ELITE IN ORDER TO EARN THEIR RIGHT UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN LAND FREE OF HARRASSMENT.

UNTIL ISRAEL CEASES CONTROLLING LAND THAT BELONGS TO OTHERS THEY WILL BE MET BY RESISTENCE.

ISRAEL MUST CEASE ITS AGGRESSION & OCCUPATION IMMEDIATELYBY WITHDRAWING FROM ALL LAND IT ANNEXED IN 1967, OR THE PALESTINIANS ARE JUSTIFIED IN STRUGGLING FOR THEIR NATIONAL SURVIVAL AGAINST THOSE WHOSE PUBLIC AIM IS TO ANNIHILATE 'EM!

ME> UNTIL ISRAEL CEASES CONTROLLING LAND THAT BELONGS TO OTHERS THEY WILL BE MET BY RESISTENCE.

Since when does Judea and Samaria belong to Arab invaders from the last few hundred years?

More importantly, when Arafat ordered violence in September of 2000, there were no Israeli troops in the territories where 98% of the Arab population resided and lived under the corrupt regime of the Palestinian Authority.

Why was there "resistence" and Arab aggression against Israel prior to 1967?

ME> WITHDRAWING FROM ALL LAND IT ANNEXED IN 1967

Israel has NOT annexed any of Gaza or Trans-Jordan's former "West Bank". It has only annexed eastern Jerusalem.

Israel has repeatedly stated its willingness to withdraw from most of these lands -- but in exchange for peace. Evidently that "price" has been too high for the Arab nations that rejected such notions.

Recall that in the last 1970s, at President Carter's Camp David Accords, Israel was willing to meet with all Arab states. Only Egypt showed up to make peace and was thus expelled from the Arab Leauge.

For a quarter of a century since it was issued, all other Arab states (and the PLO) rejected UN Security Council Resolution 242 which established the "land for peace" formula.

From the official report of the Office of the Military Government for Germany - U.S. (OMGUS), dated January 10, 1948:

Tensions and clashes in the Jewish DP camps are now on the increase. They are spreading to various parts of the U.S. zone and are gaining momentum. In the back of it all is an attempt and determination of the 'Irgun Zevai Leumi' to gain control of the camp administrations and instituions.
They find it hard however to take over the committees that are democratically elected and are working under an Army charter and subject to public control and scrutiny. Irgun, therefore, seems to concentrate on the DP police force. This is an old technique in Eastern Europe and in all police states. By controlling the police, a small, unscrupulous group of determined people can impose its will on a peaceful and inarticulate majority; it is done by threats, intimidation, by violence and if need by bloodshed...they have embarked upon a course of violence within the camps.

President Roosevelt's advisor, Morris Ernst was shocked at the refusal of American Jewish leaders to give "these beaten people of Europe a choice", instead of offering them the only option of emigrating to Palestine. Ernst suggested a program that "would free us from the hypocrisy of closing our own doors while making sanctimonious demands on the Arabs", and wrote that he "was amazed and even felt insulted when active Jewish leaders decried, sneered and then attacked me as if I were a traitor" for suggesting the holocaust survivors be allowed to emigrate to the United States

"In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us...but let us not ignore the truth amongst ourselves - we are the aggressors, and they defend themselves - Ben Gurion, 1938 - before modern Israel existed

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"One organization that saw Bernadotte’s efforts as a threat was LEHI, a Jewish underground group that, under the leadership of Yitzhak Shamir, Dr. Israel Scheib and Nathan Friedman-Yellin, had waged a campaign of “personal terror” to force the British out of Palestine. LEHI called Bernadotte a British agent who had cooperated with the Nazis in World War II. The organization considered his plan to be a threat to its goal of Israeli independence on both banks of the Jordan River. Commander Yehoshua Zeitler of the Jerusalem branch of LEHI started training four men to kill Bernadotte, and solicited information from two sympathetic journalists about his schedule. LEHI leaders decided to assassinate Bernadotte while he was on his way to a meeting with Dov Joseph, military governor of Jerusalem’s New City, which was scheduled for either 4:30 p.m. on September 17 or sometime on September 18 (the exact date is disputed). - Jewish Virtual Library

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[...] Gloria Lyon, told the crowd she was proud to be at the opening to honor the memory of the rescuer who saved her from death, Counte Folke Bernadotte. The Swedish Red Cross head negotiated with SS commander Heinrich Himmler for the release of thousands in concentration camps. - Jewish Bulletin News

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In the aftermath of World War 2, many Jewish refugees fled to Palestine and many more were forced to follow after being refused entry to the USA.
Palestine was in the death throes of British colonial rule and yet again the British left a divided people. With the same foresight as James Connolly US secretary Marshall was in no doubt that the favouring of one section of the populace ``would lead to strife'', but this didn't stop the US and the United Nations giving recognition to the Israeli state under Ben Gurion, who wasted no time in expanding its borders.

The British-trained government death squads used the same tactics as in central America in the 1980s ``eliminating'' Arab villages and massacring their inhabitants, leading to the flight of nearly a million Palestinians, clearing the way for Israeli settlements, which continue to this day. According to those involved ``we had no choice'' and Ben Gurion stated, ``it doesn't matter what the world thinks''. Any resultant attacks from border Arabs were met with savage retaliation and undercover bombers were sent into Egypt to provoke war.

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"It was a miraculous clearing of the land!" - Chaim Weizman

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"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle."
-- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)

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"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein (Cited in the New York Times, 02/28/1994.)

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"It is openly stated in the books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did." - Jews NOT Zionists

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Who started the Six Day War?

The traditional view: “It wasn’t me!”

A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior and, ultimately, an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage. (my irony emphasis)
Jewish Virtual Library

 

The alternative view: “It think it was me!”

"The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him"
- Menachim Begin (Jerusalem Post, 20 August 1982)

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."
- General Matityahu Peled (Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972)

I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai on 14 May would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it"
- General Rabin IDF Chief of Staff in 1967 (Le Monde, 29 February 1968).

 

The cynical view: (kee betachbulot ta'ase lecha milchama)

"And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

And he looked this way
and that way

and when he saw that there was no man
he slew the Egyptian,
and hid him in the sand."

Exodus 2:11-12

Let us not dwell to far back in the Past, because then we can say that before 1947 there was no Israel.
So let us look at TODAY.
If Israel really wanted to be fair and just, and really wanted peace the Population of the Jewish Settlements in the West Bank would not have gone from some 100,000 in the early 1990s to over 300,000 thousand today and the number of Settlements would not have risen by 40 to 60 in this same period.
Where will this Wonderful Palestinian State Be (Road Map) with the West Bank and Gaza having these Settlements scattered all over it.
West Bank and Gaza is only 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza
PLEASE TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT THE MAP::::
CLICK HERE > http://mondediplo.com/maps/IMG/artoff3260.jpg

FOR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION WHERE BOTH ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIAN CAN HAVE THEIR STATES AND BOTH PEOPLE CAN HAVE A REASON TO LIVE IN PEACE:
CLICK HERE > http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/06/1618616.php

. . . to Arab invaders from the last few hundred years?"

Land belongs to the people who live on it.

Before it was "Judea" and "Samaria" it belonged to the Canaanites and the Philistines. They were ethnically cleansed in the most brutal fashion imaginable.

See:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/06/1622663_comment.php#1622988

History Bluff> Before it was "Judea" and "Samaria" it belonged to the Canaanites and the Philistines.

Actually, no. The Philistines arrived even after the Biblical story of Exodus -- if you want to believe that. If you don't want to believe that, then the Jews didn't come from Egypt but were already present.

Many of the stories in Joshua are actually collections of legends of much earlier battles (the walls of Jericho tumbled circa the 17th century B.C.E., whereas Joshua is around the 13th century B.C.E.)

Modern scholars posit that the Hebrews are actually the Habiru, who were semi-nomads actually present before the Canaanite city dwellers arrived. In fact, my theory is that the Habiru were enslaved by the Canaanites in the middle bronze age, a time in which the Canaanite kings were themselves under Egyptian dominion. Thus the Hebrews were slaves in Egyptian Canaan. Such a reading makes the stories in Judges a lenghty revolution.

While that's speculative, it is generally agreed upon that the tribes present in the area coalesced to fight the new threat, the Philistine invaders - who had superior iron weapons.


KL> Since when does Judea and Samaria belong to Arab invaders from the last few hundred years?

HB> Land belongs to the people who live on it.

OK, then by your own logic it now belongs to the Jews.

--"Since when does Judea and Samaria belong to Arab invaders from the last few hundred years?"

Since when does the West Bank and Gaza Strip belong to Zionist invaders of the last 36 years?

In any case, Palestinian Arabs have been in Palestine for millenia, not just a few hundred years. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Palestinians lived in peace with one another till European Zionists in the early 10th century had the great idea of turning Palestine into an exclusionary Jewish oasis. This may be great for European, American and Russian Jews, but it is Hell on Earth for the Christian, Muslim and even Jewish Arabs who are discriminated against.

This may be stating the obvious, but someone is more intent on calling me names than discussing the issues.

> Since when does the West Bank and Gaza Strip belong to Zionist invaders of the last 36 years?

Prior to the Arab ethnic cleansing of ALL Jews in the disputed territories (after which Judea and Samaria were renamed as the "West Bank" of Trans-Jordanian Palestine), Jews had been living there for thousands of years.

> Palestinian Arabs have been in Palestine for millenia

False. While the Bedouins may date back to the Arab invasion of the 7th century C.E., the "fellahin" only date back to the 16th century.

In other words, ARABS ARE NO MORE "NATIVE" OR "INDIGENOUS" TO ISRAEL THAN THE WHITE MAN IS TO AMERICA.

> Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Palestinians lived in peace with one another

There were no such people known as "Palestinians" prior to the establishment of the British Mandate of that name following WW I.

Nor is it true that Jews living in their own land were not oppressed by their Muslim occupiers. See:

The historical mistreatment of Jews under Arab/Muslim rule:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/07/1624607.php

Calling "KL" a Zionist propagandist isn't calling names. It just happens to be an accurate description.

The only questions are: Is he being paid? And if so, is any of that funding our tax money in the form of aid to Israel?

KL is completely destroying you in this argument, beacuse while he types actual facts based in reality, you're like a little baby that has an arsenol of 10 semi-accurate truths that you have to cling to, and if you can't win an argument with them, you have to resort to sobbing and crying and accusing him of spewing "propaganda."

Israel isn't leaving. Stop your fantasy. Be productive with your life in ways that don't involve visions of the jews of israel dying or fleeing, beacuse it isn't going to happen. And don't give us fantasies of hamas, islamic jihad and these other sick terrorist organizations taking over israel and being nice to jews after they do it, because they'd kill the jews off in a second. Which may appeal to you, but it doesn't appear to jews. Israel isn't leaving. And if palestinians ever act nice, they can get their own state. If not, they won't. I'm not sure why that's hard to accept, but hopefully someday you can accept it and live positively and productively.

the people better be nice to the occupier or they'll never be rid of it.

That's what the Crusaders said.

Israel really doesn't have to leave. What it has to do is shed its exclusionary laws which benefit Jewish citizens to the detriment of its Christian and Muslim citizens (like stealing their homes and land, which is still on going).

Also, they either have to relinquish control of the Occupied Territories or give everyone there citizenship AND equal rights under the law.

There was another state which enshrined legalized inequality in the law: It was called Apartheid South Africa.

Also, reparations or a right of return must be given to those Palestinians expelled (or who fled in terror because of the massacres going on all around them).

None of this is difficult and all of it is mandated by the UN and international law. The only difficult thing is letting go of power and privilege -- it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle as someone once said.

Between "Hi" and "Huh" and "Ugh" and "Hah" and Uuh, one is left wondering what the in the name of God is this. A partial Zioinist basketball team? Or, rather, perhaps a "relay" team and spare?.

One thing is for certain! They are well and truly brainwashed.

All their posts are the same. The only ones being killed in this CONFLICT are Israelis. Yes, and the sky is falling!

Hell, if I were that stupid, I'd call myself something equally outrageous in case anyone discovered my identity and jeered me for the rest of my life.

Israel has to leave. The Israelis can stay. Their racist, aggressor, apartheid nation state cannot. It is the source of the problem, not they. They can stay and live in peace in a secular, democratic society in which it doesn't matter who one's mother was. They cannot lord it over non Jews for the same reason Aryans are not allowed to lord it over non Aryans. Without the state of Israel, they couldn't do this.

Yanker, yanker,yanker!

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Are you on crack? KL is typing FACTUAL HISTORY [!]
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kee betachbulot ta'ase lecha milchama

Before 1947 there was no modern day state of Israel...
Before 1967 West Bank was part of Jordan....
Before 1967 Gaza was part of Egypt...
Correct me if I am wrong, I may be reading the wrong sorces...
Many Refugees are Refugees because they lost their land inside of Israel..
There are Israeli Settlers living inside West Bank and Gaza...
The Right of Return is almost impossible because the land and homes in question are now occupied by Israeli People and Businesses...
So instead of the Right of Return let the Settlements become part of the Palestinian State...
For details on how this can Occur:
CLICK HERE > http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=64554&group=webcast
CLICK HERE > http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/06/1618616.php

We can all agree that 5,000,000 or so Israelis and 4,000,000 or so Palestinians fighting back and forth is not going to solve anything which is why important powers that be are working on this so called Road Map.

Uhh: "israel WILL -- [ IS THAT PRONOUNCED "VILL!" ? ] -- maintain control, and this will -- [ "VILL" ] -- go on for 5, or 50, or *500* more years -- [ OF OUR GLORRRIOUS FATHERLAND, errr, HOMELANDT! ZE BLOOD OF ZE LIVING JEWS *EVERYWHERE* SHALL BE EQUIVALENT TO ZE LANDT OF ZE GREATER ISRA-EL *STATE* UNDT OUR *GLORRRIOUS* IDEOLOGY! VEE VILL RACIALLY CLEANSE ZE LANDT OF *ALL* ZE PALESTINIAN UNTERMENSCHEN BEVÖLKERUNG VERRRMIN FOR OUR GREATER IS-RA-EL LEBENSRAUM -- UNDT LET ONLY THOSE PALESTINIANS REMAIN WHO VILL SUBMIT UNDT BEND TO OUR *VILL* FOR OUR SURPLUS, MENIAL, OR SEMI-SLAVE LABOR REQUIREMENTS!!"]


JA: Like "The Half-Thousand Year Arch-Zionist Reich", huh?