Haaretz: Antichrist Claims God Talked to Him, Told Him to Attack al Qaida, and Saddam

So now GWBush is claiming God "told him" to invade Iraq and . . .

Sorry, I can't stop laughing.

It may not be that strange these possibilities came to mine
1) It is a misquote
2) He said it as a "they are always saying god told them so I will say god told me" sort of a way and also a little bit of (3)
3) If you were a devout christian you would see this as "every person is a tool of god" if you do somthing then it is because god told you to if you are open to his suggestions as a good christian. Therefore you make your decision for all the normal reasons you just say "god provided those reasons to me".

The last one the one you seem to be implying is
4) he had feeling and his subconcious basically told him he should do it.
- now your subconcious isn't any more stupid than you are (infact this is how alot of decisions get made). The only difference here is that it might provide an unusually strong faith that he was correct and that he must continue on the path. But actually politics doesnt really let you back down on these things anyway.

I am guessing it is a bit of 1,2 and 3.

If there is a God I cannot believe he would tell any one to go and bomb a Country, where such bombings might cause the death of innocent people...
It would probably have cost less to have permanent
inspectors there, which would have deterred any use of WMDs, They were in the process of destroying some missles at the start of the war and eventually more WMDs may have been found and destroyed.
If we really want an end to terrorism we need to show the Arab population that we are a fair people and that we will not allow the brutal treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli Government, in ways such as confiscating their land and demosishing their homes, leaving countless Palestinians homeless and in Poverty.

Imagine the likes of GWBush stating that God "told" him to attack Iraq! That he could blame God, who loves us, for this murderous attack on a soverign nation is just another example of how delusional this guy is.

Do you suppose God called him at the White House, sent him a fax, e-mailed him, or visited him in person in the Oval Office?

Rot in hell, angie.

God called me today and told me you're a fucking asshole.

He called using 1800 collect, thankfully!

I think not (and hope not) considering you'd be there before me!

Same way god contacts anyone.
besides you know the old testament... even god thinks sometimes you have to take action.

See:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml

a jihad is holy war translated.
maybe Al Quaida was fulfilling G-Ds will.
possibly.

George W. Bush is simple enough to have said what he is quoted to have said, but the term anti-christ does not apply to him. It does apply to those who said Christ was not the messiah, but as far as I understand, boy George is some sort of Christian.


Now Ariel Sharon, and his gang, they are anti-christs.
I wonder what Noam Chomsky has to say about boy George now?

LOS ANGELES: Continuing to raise concerns over The Passion, the Mel Gibson-directed film about the last days of Jesus Christ, the Anti-Defamation League of America (ADL) says that based on a study of an early version of the screenplay, the project could be "replete with objectionable elements that would promote anti-Semitism."


The ADL embraced the findings of an interfaith committee of scholars that has raised objections to the unreleased film - even though the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has distanced itself from the same group.

In its statement on Tuesday, the ADL contended that Gibson and his collaborators "must complement their artistic vision with sound scholarship, which includes knowledge of how the passion accounts have been used historically to disparage and attack Jews and Judaism. Absent such scholarly and theological understanding, productions such as The Passion could likely falsify history and fuel the animus of those who hate Jews."

"To be certain, neither I nor my film are anti-Semitic," Gibson said in a previously released statement, which his spokesman provided in response to the latest allegation.

"Nor do I hate anybody - certainly not the Jews," continued Gibson, who is a devout Catholic. "They are my friends and associates, both in my work and social life. Thankfully, treasured friendships forged over decades are not easily shaken by nasty innuendo. Anti-Semitism is not only contrary to my personal beliefs, it is also contrary to the core message of my movie."

Gibson directed The Passion, which he also co-wrote and produced through his Icon Entertainment banner, in Italy earlier this year. Filmed in Aramaic and Latin, the project stars James Caviezel as Christ and has not yet been shown to potential distributors.

The ADL first began to raise concerns about the film in March, in both a letter to the New York Times and a letter addressed to Gibson that the organisation posted on its website.

The controversy erupted again earlier this month when a report was leaked to the media that had been prepared by scholars, associated with both the ADL and the USCCB, based on a study of an early version of the script and containing a long list of objections.

The USCCB, however, quickly dissociated itself from the report, with Mark Chopko, general counsel for the USCCB, saying: "We regret the situation has occurred and offer our apologies. ... When the film is released, the USCCB will review it at the time."

In its current statement, the ADL says it "fully stands behind" the scholars' report and raises a series of questions such as, "Will the final version of 'The Passion' continue to portray Jews as bloodthirsty, sadistic and money-hungry enemies of Jesus?"

Myrna Shinbaum, a spokesperson for the ADL, said the group issued its first official public statement on the subject Tuesday in response to repeated press inquiries.

"When these kind of issues are raised and we feel concern, we speak out even before the film has been made," she said, acknowledging that the concerns are based on an early version of the screenplay. "We haven't seen it yet, so we can't speak to the film itself.

"In expressing our concerns," Shinbaum added, "we hope we can have a dialogue with Gibson and Icon to allay the fears of the Jewish community."

Funny how the Last Temptation of Christ was shown and I don't remember the mighty and sagacious ADL protesting that. What about the historocity of that little gem? When Christ said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." He was refering to the Romans not the pharisees and the scribes who previously had requested Barabbas be released. The Romans were ready to release Christ but the jewish leaders in their "trial" found him guilty of blasphemy. Even Christ himslf said that it was impossible for a prophet to be slain outside of Jerusalem. Only anti-christs are against this film by Mel Gibson

It's astonishing, isn't it, that Hollywood can portray Arabs as evil, native Indians as evil, etc., and there is nary a bleeding objection.

Yet someone like Mel Gibson, who, from all intents and purposes, is a decent chap merely wanting to show us his movie, and, lo, it's suddenly an outrage, an affront to the Jewish (or some variation thereof), and everyone must tiptoe around the issue.

Does this not appear totally SICK to those of you with a brain out there? if it doesn't, it bloody well should.

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angie, may you develop cancer and die, and rot in hell, where you belong, you dishonest, lying deceptive evil piece of shit.

angie, you fucking evil piece of shit, mel gibson is calling up the same anti-jew stereotypes that got 1/3 of us slaughtered off earth in the past and discriminated against for a thousand years, so we complain about it. Don't fault us for speaking loud and clear against what we feel is wrong, you fucking piece of shit

angie, so stop tiptoing the issue and come out and be anti-semitic like you want to be. Come on, it's clearly an issue for you, why not just come out and be yourself?

the killing of over 1.4 million Iraqis through war and siege( "sanctions") is anti-semitic genocide by the caucasian-supremacist US government. History will not excuse this atrocity, most of the victms being children. Bush has in the past expressed the belief that Jews will not go to heaven unless they accept jesus as their personal saviour.

Lying? Dishonest? Oh, and don't forget the new one "anti-anti-semitist". Really working on that one, aren't you? Caused the little brain to work overtime.

Now tell us who exactly is the lying, dishonest "piece of evil shit" (wow, that's really hitting below the belt)?

Why don't you all take a damn close look at yourselves and what you've allowed yourselves to become, look at the hatred you harbour for myself and millions in the world like me, and then you come on this board and talk about honesty.

There's room in hell for all of you, and I daresay you will be very happy there.

"There's room in hell for all of you- queen angie

You haven't got much of a life, have you?

ho.....

so you like to walk the walk but you don't like the title?

(i guess there is a "specialplace in hell for me too" )
right?

I wasn't the one to bring up "hell". Go talk to your friends above, or are you one of them, masquaraging as someone else?

Whoever you are, or whatever you are, the game has run its course. I've got more important things to do, and it's unfortunate if you don't. Run along and play with someone more your style.

Why on earth do you find it in your ever so pure hearts to speak from your hearts and shower Angie with all sorts of hate? This is because you are without thought and can not discern between evil and good. Shame on you! Angie has more intelligence than all of you who try to slime her with your pusillanimous brain power. Get a life and don't ever think that you are better than the dirt you swallow.

Why on earth do you find it in your ever so pure hearts to speak from your hearts and shower Angie with all sorts of hate? This is because you are without thought and can not discern between evil and good. Shame on you! Angie has more intelligence than all of you who try to slime her with your pusillanimous brain power. Get a life and don't ever think that you are better than the dirt you swallow.

Like, wow, I'm really going to take seriously somebody who starts out by saying, "angie, you fucking evil piece of shit".

Yeah, real seriously!

brian
I am surprised you can type with this low of an I.Q.
perhaps the kiddy list may be more to your liking.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic.

Toodles!

Thanks for your kind comments. However, defending me will only make yourself a target. It's all one can expect from such small minds.

I wonder as I read these comments what kind of mentality produces such hatred and allows it to foster and grow and be seen..

The level of intelligence exhibited by such lines as "lying, dishonest, evil piece of shit" no doubt required a college degree.

However, let them rot in their own hatred. The only thing they're achieving is making themselves look very small indeed.

Again, I appreciate your support. Thanks, Brian..

OK let me then

Angie may be wrong or misguided but she represents the people that you may be able to convince with logic or at least make them undecided by challanging the propoganda.

There are other people on this board who are truely beyond help and would hate israel even if god himslelf came down and told them they were wrong.

You would be pro zionist even if G-D Him self had told you that you are in the wrong.

So you are putting your hand up for membership in the stupid beyond all hope group?
and what issues do you have with using 3 letters to spell god? Its not like oyur going to get banned for saying rude words

We' may not all like Bush, but now it's known that he's more than just the Prez selected. He's speaking with the delegated authority of the Almighty, and we must stop all argument and we all must unite to do one thing - contact Pope John Paul and the whoever in the Vatican. We must edit and update the Bible.

Bush is the Messiah from HELL.

"Angie may be wrong or misguided, but she represents the people that you may be able to convince with logic or make them undecided by challenging the propaganda".

Read this carefully, Scottie:

Angie - me - is not in the least bit WRONG OR MISGUIDED. On the contrary, sir.

"Convince with logic" - means what? That I will fall to my knees and marvel at this terrorist liltle state while pandering to the lies and deceit of those who approve of said lies and deceit? Who come on this board with nothing better to do than continue their own form of propaganda?

In your bleeding dreams, Scottie.

Kindly refrain from assuming to know me, and even worse, having the nerve to tell others that I can be "convinced" or "converted" or anything else.

I had assumed from our previous exchanges here that you knew me a little bit better than this. You disappoint me.

"Angie - me - is not in the least bit WRONG OR MISGUIDED. On the contrary, sir. "

And you know this... how exactly???

Your defensiveness suggests your are sorely misguided. Who was it that said, it's not what you don't know, it's what you're damn sure of that ain't true.

Talk about "defensiveness".

Stop looking for something to pick an argument about, LAD. It won't work.

Scottie sounds as if he were suggesting I be "saved" or something. In fact, he probably thinks you among the ones to do so. Good Lord!

So as long as I am not sitting here telling Scottie that he needs to be "convinced" or "converted" because he and I believe different things, it's not asking TOO MUCH that he do likewise now, is it?.

And, curiously, LAD why would you consider it important enough to get involved? Guess our "truce"
was but a mirage, hmm?

Incidentally, I'd ask you if you've read Uri Avnery", but I'm afraid you'll take my head off, so that's it, then!

Always delightful to hear from you!!!!!

Your arab friends will not succeed in murdering jews in massive amounts. I'm sorry. The intifada made life miserable for israelis but Israel still isn't leaving. Someday hopefully you'll give up your dream.

You're reading too much propaganda or you're already brainwashed. Either way you need help.

"Do me a favour hmm?"

-no Im just trying to avoid being hypocritical, and to promote the idea of not alienating everyone. But if you want to pick fights I guess you can.

"Angie - me - is not in the least bit WRONG OR MISGUIDED. On the contrary, sir."

Not the least bit eh? Didn't that sound ridiculous even as you typed it?

"Convince with logic" - means what?

- The basic source of your disagreement is that you read and believe different people to us. that is "misguided" (as I pointed out in the pilger thread). But it could be worse. Some people hate first and read later.

"Kindly refrain from assuming to know me, and even worse, having the nerve to tell others that I can be "convinced" or "converted" or anything else."

- You are only insulting yourself if you say you cannot be convinced. I would like to suggest that if the balance of the facts was in your favour I would be easy to convince, the only problem is that IT ISN'T.

Scottie, I ask you again what are you going on about?

Who is the "us" you refer to? Or the 'we" you refer to? It's as if you're saying (and no doubt you are) that your views and those of a few of your pals on this board are right and the rest of the world is wrong.

Well, pardon me!

This is not a religious exchange of you're going to heaven if you believe "us"; otherwise, you're going to "rot in hell" as was so emphatically declared yesterday by the modern day prophets on this board.

This is not a battle for votes. It's not about convincing or cajoling or pulling the wool over someone's eyes, or trying to disparage people.

It's only a discussion board for heaven's sakes. It's entertaining, informative, disgusting, surprising, astonishing - and I could go on - but it's still a discussion board not a place to find converts, or score points, or a popularity contest.

Wow! What a fiesty group!

Our problems overseas are atrocious! Unfortunately we seem to dig the hole deeper every year. Our government has no business medling in anything outside of our nations physical bounderies. The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights provide for the protection and sanctity of us and our nation. They fail to give any power to our government to enforce democracy abroad. But since our government has been sticking their nose in foreign affairs for so long, we get things like September 11th brought to our front door.

Then to rub our noses in it, we get "homeland security". It is a felony for me to tap my own phone, but now the feds have everything tapped for our "safety". Violate all of my freedoms for the sake of protecting them? Oh sure, that makes sense.

And to make it worse, I can't even carry my gun to the 4th celebration. Independence Day, MY BUTT! Welcome to the CSA (Communist States of America)!

Anybody know where I could get an old USSR "bar and sickle" flag?

"Who is the "us" you refer to? Or the 'we" you refer to? It's as if you're saying (and no doubt you are) that your views and those of a few of your pals on this board are right and the rest of the world is wrong."

- If you said that to JA he would have lots of fun teasing you. You are putting words in my mouth and emphasising a word "us" that actually did not specifically include anyone except "those people who dont read pilger etc". Still If you really want you can throw amongst others any or all of KL, LAD and my wife in there I guess.

"but it's still a discussion board not a place to find converts, or score points, or a popularity contest."

- I dont think we need to get into this where you put words in my mouth, but you should know that indymedia exists in order to spread "independant media"

If you said that to JA, he would have lots of fun teasing you".

That's an amusing thought. JA would never say such a thing, nor would he ever tease me about my beliefs. On the contrary he would support said views (and does). So that comment of yours is moot.

Nor would he ever state that he's right and I'm wrong, or even insinuate it, much less throw in the "us" bit..

No one is putting words in your mouth, Scottie. You took it upon yourself to state I may be "wrong or misguided" appropos of nothing in response to the gutter comments from Hey and his friends.

You were the one that said I could be "convinced". You don't need me to put words in your mouth, my friend. You're doing quite nicely on your own.

I am well aware of what Indymedia is, thanks. but one thing it bloody well isn't, and that's a forum for people to intimidate or silence others because of a difference in opinion. If it is, then it's serving no useful purpose.

"That's an amusing thought. JA would never say such a thing, nor would he ever tease me about my beliefs." On the contrary he would support said views (and does). So that comment of yours is moot."

I am not refering to your belief I am refering to your method of argument. It is also somewhat sad that you believe that you will always agree with JA and so you will NEVER be critisized by him. So I guess JA is your "big brother" and he has already given you your "new speak" dictionary.
anyway think about this.
- "is it right for palistinian "militants" to target and kill israeli civilians? "

"Nor would he ever state that he's right and I'm wrong, or even insinuate it,"

- Do you read his posts? besides the assumption was IF you said that to him focusing on a *INSIGNIFICANT* word and then *PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH* to say it the way JA would.
If the search facility worked here i would give you links
This reminds me of an old argument I was reading on here regarding whether republicans or liberals were the ones who walked "goosesteps" all perfectly in time.

" much less throw in the "us" bit.."

- your geting very caught up over what "us" means. What is your problem?

"No one is putting words in your mouth, Scottie. You took it upon yourself to state I may be "wrong or misguided" appropos of nothing in response to the gutter comments from Hey and his friends."

- This is the pattern on this board. Someone posts an article or a significant comment. you admire it for its brillience (this is the misguided bit) then KL or I prove it has significant flaws in it maybe we have a debate including someone like Rio that gets drawn off in a different direction and when JA joins in it decends into "zingers" . but much of the origional article has still been discredited.
So either you dont read the whole article before commenting on it OR you read it believe it and happen to have been mislead by it.

"But one thing it bloody well isn't, and that's a forum for people to intimidate or silence others because of a difference in opinion."

- did I do that?
ok let me answer it....... NO

Tom, you are one of the remarkable individuals which make up this country . You have got it right on the money when it comes to the constitution and the bill of rights. Right on. Homeland security is unconstitutional. Moosh is just that, a little rat doing the bidding of those who desire to take away our freedoms and our rights.

Moosh = Bush

My views have been my views LONG BEFORE I knew this board existed.

Long before I knew JA existed or you or anyone else.

I was printing my views here for months quite independent of anyone and everyone, and they have not changed.

Leave it, Scottie. Dragging JA into a discussion involving myself is grossly unfair to him and It's totally uncalled for. I thought (foolishly perhaps) that you were above all that nonsense, Scottie. I hope I'm not wrong.

OK that was sarcasm -
I dont believe that you agree totally with JA - actually I think there are important dfferences in your core beliefs. But you don't expose that because you have decided you are on the same side of the fence so to speak and you don't attack your friends (JA) in order to collectively focus on the others.

It reminds me of anti-israeli marches with nazis and stalinists in them. The protestors don't seem to care that certain parts of the group - often the organizers - actually oppose (in theory or in practice) the core reasons that they (the bulk of the people) are marching.

I remember a anarchist talking about marching next to stalinists (for convenience) who he believed if they were sucessful in their "revolution" would kill his group.

please provide some evidence of nazis and leftists marching together in the same demonstration against Israel.

i'll tell you this: if any nazi or fascist came to an anti-war demonstration in SF, and failed to conceal their identity, they'd surely get their asses beat down.

But it's perfectly okay if some of them hold signs with swastikas on them, say on a picture of the president, or on the Israeli flag?

Using nazi symbols for ANY purpose is offensive, and I suggest you beat down the asses of anyone who does it.

Haha I appreciate your consistancy aaron.

I think they do but with people like those lad is talking about they dont have to try too hard.

LAD, to you, all of the symbols in the dustbinn of history are associated with a force somehow not entirely pure and wholesome. Have you ever considered why this is so in your mind? Could it be that the victors in these battles for land and wealth made it thus? The confederate battle flag has a deeply disturbing meaning to many African Americans. But to many true southerners it is just a symbol of history. The flag whereby Hitler and his rogues conquered much of Europe was to them a symbol of unification. But to the rest of the allies, it was a symbol of evil, of dictatorial power and bloodlust. The Israeli flag, with its' six pointed star, is a symbol of apartheid to many Palestinians. However in the US it is the flag of the jewish state.

The Israeli flag is not the sign of the jewish state. No decent Jew would ever associate with us, nor would any other normal human being.
The Israeli flag is not regarded as being the sign of the Jewish state in the White House, either. It reminds George Bush who he has to ask for permission to make any changes in his economic or domestic or international policies. What Sharon wishes, dear W. carries out.

- A concerned Zionist

this idea that the Israeli state runs US foreign policy is complete crap.

there's no denying that the Bush and the Sharon regimes' are pretty much on the same page. but this isn't because Israel runs the US--it's because the current US administration (and wide sections of the US ruling class) shares a world-view with the current Israeli government (and much of the Israeli ruling class).

let's be materialist about this. when all is said and done, Israel is a client of the US, not the other way around.

only someone who thinks that Jews possess malevolent mystical powers could believe that Israel runs foreign policy--which is another way of saying that only anti-semites could possibly believe such a thing.

it is a relief to realize that you are not in fact an anti semite.

I am certainly tired of the super human evil jews argument.

Obviously Mr. Bush can not always be protected by his close mafia officials when speaking freely. His father should have done more for mental health benefits and helped his son. The large energy corporation billionaires who put him into office know his mental condition and chose him for just that reason. So very, very sad that so many thousands of innocent Arabs and beautiful children had to die such horrible deaths because of the greed of a few powerful people. The media in America are just, if not more, responsible for letting the horrors the Bush administration to be perpetrated upon our country and the world. The wars, attacks on the world environment, the tax cuts that stole from the poor and gave to the rich, health cuts, education cuts and the assault on our civil liberities could not have possibly happened without the help of our pathetic news media in America. When will our people and the world stop his madness?

If you're reading through this thread, I hope you will take time out to notice the post you left for me here on 29 June 2003.

I refer you to this because in the other thread "New Flag" bit, when I addressed you about it, you denied saying such a thing, and more or less demanded I apologize for saying you did.

what do you think of the Jewish symbol appearing on your dollar bill?

"aaron "the thinking far leftie""

Why are you so against left-handed people? Idiot.