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GM: just another opportunity for expanding profit and control

by van
hunger: perpetuated by corporate profit incentives, and enhanced by gov't subsidies
GM: just another opportunity for expanding profit and control.

the root of some american evil: krafty, narrow-minded people; not worldly, racists, insecure, and therefore, not generous. not so strange, but the world is shrinking rapidly.

enlightened we must become...
spread the guilt

good perspective article:
Published on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
Old Europe and New GM Foods
by John Buell

Now that the Old Europe has caved in its opposition to US policy on Iraq, President Bush has found a new issue on which to bully Europe. The President portrays widespread European resistance to genetically modified food as not only a violation of “free trade” principles but also the cause of Third World hunger. This time, however, Europeans would do well to hold their ground. But before European leaders claim too much of the moral high ground, the US, Europe, and the developing nations need to engage the issues of world hunger more fully.

A long line of environmentalists and social critics drawing inspiration from Thomas Malthus eighteenth century work has explained hunger by a simple equation. Too many mouths are chasing too little food. For more than fifty years now, corporate agribusiness has argued that there is a simple answer to the Malthusian dilemma. Unleash the engines of technology and trade and the world will be able to expand food faster than population increases.

Simple as this answer may seem, even the diagnosis of the problem is wrong. In a recent issue of the London based Guardian, Jeremy Rifkin reminds us that “ 80% of undernourished children in the developing world live in countries with food surpluses. The hunger problem has more to do with the way arable land is utilized. Today, 21% of the food grown in the developing world is destined for animal consumption… The animals, in turn, will be eaten by the world's wealthiest consumers in the northern industrial countries.”

Most of the developing world already produces enough food to feed itself. Nonetheless, the distribution of income both within these nations and internationally leaves large numbers of their citizens with too few resources to afford this food. Throughout many of these nations, land holdings since at least the colonial days have been concentrated in the hands of a narrow elite.

Paradoxically, post World War II experiments in “Green Revolution” technology have often only exacerbated the concentration of wealth and land. Only the larger farmers could afford or gain favorable terms for the new fertilizers that expanded their production. Their success in expanding production made the position of smaller farmers even more tenuous. And farmers across all classes found themselves increasingly dependent on corporate suppliers and large multinational marketing conglomerates.

Even if GM crops represent a scientific breakthrough, economically they are part of this same old story. Guardian columnist George Monbiot points out that: “By patenting transferred genes and the technology associated with them, then buying up the competing seed merchants and seed-breeding centres, the biotech companies can exert control over the crops at every stage of production and sale. Farmers are reduced to their sub-contracted agents. This has devastating implications for food security in the poor world: food is removed from local marketing networks - and therefore the mouths of local people - and gravitates instead towards sources of hard currency.”

The peasantry in the developing world, just like the AIDS-devastated population in many of these nations, suffers not because those nations violate “free trade” but because current international trade agreements represent something far less than genuinely competitive market principles. Developing nations are expected to observe and enforce patent and copy right protections that yield monopoly profits for western multinationals even as their farmers must compete in both domestic and international markets with subsidized US agribusiness.

On this issue, however, blame goes well beyond the Bush Administration. Farm state politicians of both parties have fallen all over themselves in extending lavish Federal subsidies that disproportionately benefit large agribusiness concerns. Though European nations have been more generous in direct assistance to developing nations, they too have pursued subsidy and tariff policies making it hard for farmers in the developing world to compete.

The battle over GM food may represent a watershed regulatory issue for President Bush. Though the administration has won most of its regulatory battles, it may find the going difficult here. The issue brings together growing concerns about world hunger, international trade, and food safety. Bush wants the World Trade Organization to rule that even European laws requiring all GM food to be labeled as such are an unfair impediment to trade.

I am an agnostic on the question of just how safe those foods are, but capitalism as a system is indefensible without some notion of the right of the consumer to basic information about what he or she is buying. Most Americans—even wealthy and upper-class citizens—have enough concerns about these foods to insist on a right to know what they are eating. Their concerns, along with those of trade reform and global justice advocates, could become a powerful barrier to Bush’s new war on Europe.

John Buell (jbuell [at] acadia.net) is a columnist for the Bangor Daily News.
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By Geoffrey Lean, Volker Angres and Louise Jury

Genes from genetically modified crops can spread from plants into other forms of wildlife, new research shows. The research, which is the result of a three-year study at the University of Jena in Germany, supports environmentalists' warnings and raises the possibility that people who eat GM foods may also be affected.

Beatrix Tappesser from the Ecology Institute in Freiburg said: "This is very alarming because it shows that the cross-over of genes takes place on a greater scale than we had previously assumed.

"The results indicate that we must assume that changes take place in the intestinal tubes of people and animals. The crossover of microorganisms takes place and people's make up in terms of micro-organisms in their intestinal tract is changed. This can therefore have health consequences."

The research - which has found that bees take up engineered genes from oilseed rape - will dramatically increase pressure on farmers and ministers to destroy the crop accidentally sown over thousands of acres of Britain. Yesterday, Nick Brown, the Agriculture Minister, in an emergency announcement, advised farmers to plough in the crop at a cost estimated by the National Farmers' Union at 3m.

While this represented a sharp U-turn from his previous denials that such action would be necessary, he admitted he had no legal authority to order them to do so. Mr Brown said they had the alternative option of harvesting the crop and trying to sell it outside Europe, although it was unclear whether the law allows them to do that.

He ruled out any government compensation for the farmers, although the food industry has now made it clear that they will not buy any of the crop. He said that farmers should instead seek redress from Advanta, the company who sold them the GM contaminated seed.

The new research about GM genes infecting other forms of life seriously undermines assertions by the biotech industry and GM supporters that the genes cannot spread and is being taken "very seriously" by the German health ministry.

Professor Hans-Heinrich Kaatz of Jena's authoritative Bee Institute released the insects onto a crop of genetically modified rape and removed the pollen they gathered when they returned to the hive. He fed the pollen to young bees, and when he analysed the bacteria in their guts found that they had taken up the same modified genes.

He told the German television station ZDF: "They had obviously taken up these genes. They were in the bacteria in the intestinal tract of the bees and seemed to have come from the genes of the original plant and to have been taken up into their own genetic make-up."

Ulrike Riedel of the German Health Ministry said that the experiment should be taken "very seriously". She added: "This kind of study is a good reason why we should not assume that everything is OK."

Brian Johnson, English Nature's top GM expert, said that the main question was whether the bacteria had incorporated the modified genes temporarily or permanently. He thought that the risk of permanent alteration was "very small" but added: "We can't rule it out."

Adrian Bebb of Friends of the Earth said: "This study shows once again how little we know about the science and adds strength to call for a freeze on growing all GM crops."

Nick Brown said yesterday that the accidental GM contamination of the oilseed rape highlighted the need for European standards on seed purity. While the crops posed "no danger" to the environment or to public health, the consumer had the right to know what was in the food supply.

At an informal meeting with European colleagues tomorrow, he will press his European colleagues to establish standards and tougher checks.

INDEPENDENT (London) 28 May 2000
by Eddie
In which scientific journal was the Kaatz study published?
by .
I think if remeber right that this transfear accured very rarly. Which they forgot to mention.

Well I still am looking for the orginal.

by Scottie
GE is right up there with electricity and the internet in terms of evil inventions to spread the power of corporations.

As to the spread of genes from plants to other plants - natural selection generally forces plants to be well adapted to their environment. generally speaking a human inducedchange produces a LESS well evolved outside of the protected environment even if it does produce more edible area or a biggger fruit.
As a result native plants will tend to outcompete the human strains.

As far as it producing a strange poisonous result by the gene moving to another population - it isnt just GE genes that can move and we dont seem to have much in the way of problems. It just isnt all that common and when it happens it tends not to have a significant effect.

And if you think they are going to create the poison negligently they could equally create it through a normal chemical proceedure. That is why we have testing quality control and negligence laws.
by this thing here
>As far as it producing a strange poisonous result by the gene moving to another population - it isnt just GE genes that can move and we dont seem to have much in the way of problems. It just isnt all that common and when it happens it tends not to have a significant effect.<

if you put a spider next to a goat, a million years would go by and the spider's genes for producing webs would NEVER end up in the goat's genes for producing milk.

if you put a pile of BT toxin next to a corn plant, a million years would go by, and the genes that produce BT would NEVER end up in the genes that produce corn.

so i take exception to anyone who says, "well, non-GM genes have been moving ever since there's been life on the planet, so it's no big deal." yes, animal genes have been moving into animal genes, and plant genes have been moving into plant genes. but plant genes DON'T move into animal genes. so no, you can't that GM "gene movements" are exactly the same as non-GM gene movements. plus, natural movements of genes take a long, long, long time, and the reason WHY they actually move and create a success is BECAUSE of how long it took them to move, the endless trial and error over thousands and million of years. you can't jump ahead of and skip over adaptation and evolution.
by Scottie
Maybe you misunderstand what a gene does.
An individual gene in a frog moved into a plant will not make that plant suddenly look like a frog.
A gene produces a protein. a pritein is just a chemical. in general it is not somthing that is "frog".
So if you moved a gene from one plant to another there is no reason why that could not be a far more exotic protein than the one that you wanted to move from an animal.
by this thing here
that really doesn't change anything in the discussion. the point is, NATURE couldn't do the move by itself. only man could. NATURE doesn't make the decision, only man does.

yeah, man has this thing called breeding, which moves genes. but breeding doesn't happen overnight. and breeding doesn't take a living thing and totally disrespect it by selecting this or that gene and moving it here or there for profit reasons and an instant result. breeding gives as much power to the living thing as to man himself. try as he might, man would try to get spiders and goats to mate and breed, but it wasn't going to happen. man pushed the living things, but the livings thing pushed back and said no way. until man came up with genetic engineering. and then man became god.

if man wants to become god, then his motives for moving genes and his subsequent creations will be severely questioned. if nature wants to move genes, usually over thousands and million of years, fine. it's kind of hard to stop it. and, through the genuis of nature, the results always work. but if MAN himself wants to, if man himself wants to gain an omnipotent amount of power, and skip the process of adaptation and evolution and trial and error, then his motives become vulnerable, and his creations suspect.

what motives does monsanto have? or novartis? the same ones as nature did when fish started growing legs? no, no, no....
by Scottie
Now you've gone all religious on me.
cripes didnt see that coming. Well I guess like all religious things you go your way and let the rest of us go ours then.
by Mr. T
If GM food is bad and Chemicals are bad to.

Which should we use GM food that has less waste and looks better.

Or the traditional food that requires lots of chemicals.

Well which is it. Please I must now?
by Natural
Return to nature, we didnt need all that industrial revolution stuff anyway.
by Mr. T
Ok look most farmers will not risk their lively hood to Organic food. An that food you think is Organic may not be Organic unless you've grown it your self. Organic is a big joke for farmers. So once again which is it GM food or traditional farming.
by Mister Natural
Organic farming IS traditional farming. That's how it's been done from the very begining of agriculture, up until less than a century ago. After twelve thousand years of success, organic farming has been abandoned in favor of a global epidemic of cancer.

This is not progress.
by Mr. T
Oh well I thought

Organic food is produced without using most “conventional pesticides; fertilizers made with synthetic ingredients or sewage sludge; bioengineering; or ionizing radiation”.

So which is it GM food or traditional that uses all of the above in “”.? Its simple right?

My whole point is that this is not a cut and dry subject. I was trying to get people in this form to brain storm on answers for this problem. I gave only two choice to focus on the real world of farming and selling those products. I was not trying to put words into your mouth I was just trying to get you to think about the big picture and see how you see things. I guess my approach to this was flawed.


Many people in the green peace dream world would make it out to be very simple. When it’s very difficult and no one solution will work for the masses (world). You can’t just ban all GM farming or all traditional farming (refer to “ “) or only grow organic food. Next time you walk down to the local store look at people buying vegetables see how they inspect each one. Now think of that on a grand scale were all the stores customers are doing that same thing and tell your self if I owned this store what would I be selling.

Now today in some stores you have a choice of Organic or Mix between the other two which still out sells organic hands down. Because of price or maybe looks.

I was thinking the battle is not with the Bush administration or the US government it’s with the customers at the store you visit. Educate the public and let them decide the fate of GM food and traditional(refer””) over organic. If GM/Trad don’t sell then you have won the battle. Even if Organic captured 40% (us)of the market you have won and then you can pursue all out bans. But let the public decide.
by Abraham
Mr. T., you're so very misleading with your comments. GE is not to be mixed with anything else. Traditional farming is the organic farming. The adopted farming that relies heavily on the usage of synthetic insecticides and pesticides is NOT traditional farming.

The problem is indeed with the Bush administrtion. His administration is shuffing the GE crops down the throats of eveyone just to allow a few American corporations to maximize their profits. This is in fact a problem.
Sorry for missleading you with my words. It just my grandfather calls yours "adopted farming" traditional farming and organic is called organic.
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