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Coming Events and LA Times Article on the Secret Service Interogation of Oakland High Students is below (Great work to Larry and Cassie!!)...
Coming Events:
1. Tonight, PVNRC Forum on Youth and the Military: 6-8:30, First
Congregational Church of Oakland, 27th and Harrison Streets, http://www.pvnrc.net
2. Thursday: Followup Meeting for May 8th's Education not Incarceration
Rally, 7-9PM, Neibel Proctor Library, 6501 Telegraph (just north of
Alcatraz) http://www.may8.org
3. SATURDAY: 10AM - 1:30PM COMMUNITY SPEAKOUT TO STOP THE EXIT EXAM AND
PROVIDE EQUAL EDUCATION
First Congregational Church of Oakland, 27th and Harrison Streets
http://www.caljustice.org Childcare and translation provided
4. Tuesday, May 22, 4:30PM,Coalition to Respond to the Oakland High
Incident, Oakland High School, Room 311, 1023 Macarthur Blvd.
A coalition is building to respond to the Secret Service interrogation of
two Oakland High School students. Our next meeting will be on Tuesday,
May 22 at 4:30PM at Oakland High School, Room 311, 1023 MacArthur Blvd,
E-mail jzern1 [at] yahoo.com for more information or rides from MacArthur BART.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-booted13may13,1,4536861.story
THE STATE
a d v e r t i s e m e n t
Secret Service Interrogation of 2 Students Sparks Furor
A teacher reported boys' alleged threats to shoot President Bush. Some say
questioning by the federal officers violated the youths' rights.
By Marcelo Rodriguez
Special to The Times
May 13, 2003
OAKLAND — An interrogation by U.S. Secret Service agents of two high
school students here for allegedly threatening President Bush has resulted
in a barrage of criticism against the Secret Service and some school
officials. The case has added impetus to a bill before the state Assembly
that would require school officials to inform students of their rights
before they are questioned by law enforcement officials.
The alleged threat by two 16-year-old boys at Oakland High School was
reported to Secret Service officials in San Francisco by their former
English teacher, Sandy Whitney.
Whitney called the Secret Service the day after a class discussion where
she allegedly heard one of the students say, "We need a sniper to take
care of Bush" and the ot her reply, "Yeah, I'd do it," according to
published reports.
Whitney did not return phone calls. According to a representative of
Whitney's union, the teacher is not talking to the media on the advice of
Oakland High School Principal Clement Mok. Mok also declined to comment.
The two sophomores, who have not been identified, have denied threatening
Bush and said they were just joking around during a routine class
discussion on current affairs.
"They were traumatized by the ordeal," said Larry Felson, a teacher at
Oakland High School who was contacted by the students after the April 23
questioning. "The agents used profanity and made threats against their
immigrant parents. They were told, 'You don't have any rights, we own
you,' when one of them asked for an attorney."
According to Felson, each student was "grilled for 45 minutes to an hour"
in the principal's office and Mok sat in on the questioning. "The
principal clearly should have contacted the parents immediately. He didn't
even talk to them until three weeks later."
"That's just outrageous," said Greg Hodge, president of the Oakland School
Board. "If one of my kids were to make an inappropriate comment, I would
certainly want to be called first, before the Secret Service."
Gen Fujioka, an attorney with San Francisco-based Asian Law Caucus, who is
providing legal advice to the two students, believes Whitney "overreacted"
and the Secret Service agents "acted way out of bounds."
"The kids were told that their parents could be deported," Fujioka said.
"It left them traumatized."
John Gill, a special agent with the Secret Service in Washington, D.C.,
confirmed that the two students were questioned.
"Anytime the issue of a threat to the president of the United States comes
up, the Secret Service has to look into it," Gill said, declining to
comment on the status of the investigation.
Several Bay Area teachers' groups hav e denounced the Secret Service,
Whitney and Mok over the matter. The Oakland Education Assn., the union
representing Oakland's 4,000 school teachers and support staff, issued a
statement calling the interrogation a "blatant infringement of students'
free speech and academic freedom. Students have a right to discuss their
opinions on any subject without the fear of reprisal or threats of arrest
from law enforcement."
Both Hodge and Oakland School Board member Dan Segal said the board plans
to investigate the matter. "We will take any action that is appropriate,"
Segal said.
Some educators and politicians, including Felson and Hodge, have thrown
their weight behind AB 1012, a bill now before the California Assembly
Appropriations Committee, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and
sponsored by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). It would
require high school principals to tell students that they can request that
a legal guardian be present befor e they are made available to law
enforcement officials.
Steinberg believes that the Oakland High incident proves that his bill is
needed.
"And if there's no imminent danger, it seems reasonable to me that the
school should allow the students to contact their parents," he said.
The bill breezed through the Assembly Education Committee and is scheduled
for another committee hearing Wednesday. But it is opposed by some law
enforcement groups, such as the Los Angeles Police Protective League,
because "it would tie the hands of law enforcement from making legitimate
inquiries."
Similar legislation passed twice before but has been vetoed both times by
Republican governors, George Deukmejian in 1989 and Pete Wilson in 1998. A
spokesman for Gov. Gray Davis said Davis has not decided his position on
the Steinberg legislation.
Oakland Schools Supt. Dennis Chaconas said that, though he "would have
preferred the teacher had contacted the principal b efore calling the
Secret Service," he understands the motivation.
However, Chaconas added, since Sept. 11, the district has been asked by
Oakland police to report such threats.
Fujioka said the students and their parents are "looking at several legal
options."
1. Tonight, PVNRC Forum on Youth and the Military: 6-8:30, First
Congregational Church of Oakland, 27th and Harrison Streets, http://www.pvnrc.net
2. Thursday: Followup Meeting for May 8th's Education not Incarceration
Rally, 7-9PM, Neibel Proctor Library, 6501 Telegraph (just north of
Alcatraz) http://www.may8.org
3. SATURDAY: 10AM - 1:30PM COMMUNITY SPEAKOUT TO STOP THE EXIT EXAM AND
PROVIDE EQUAL EDUCATION
First Congregational Church of Oakland, 27th and Harrison Streets
http://www.caljustice.org Childcare and translation provided
4. Tuesday, May 22, 4:30PM,Coalition to Respond to the Oakland High
Incident, Oakland High School, Room 311, 1023 Macarthur Blvd.
A coalition is building to respond to the Secret Service interrogation of
two Oakland High School students. Our next meeting will be on Tuesday,
May 22 at 4:30PM at Oakland High School, Room 311, 1023 MacArthur Blvd,
E-mail jzern1 [at] yahoo.com for more information or rides from MacArthur BART.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-booted13may13,1,4536861.story
THE STATE
a d v e r t i s e m e n t
Secret Service Interrogation of 2 Students Sparks Furor
A teacher reported boys' alleged threats to shoot President Bush. Some say
questioning by the federal officers violated the youths' rights.
By Marcelo Rodriguez
Special to The Times
May 13, 2003
OAKLAND — An interrogation by U.S. Secret Service agents of two high
school students here for allegedly threatening President Bush has resulted
in a barrage of criticism against the Secret Service and some school
officials. The case has added impetus to a bill before the state Assembly
that would require school officials to inform students of their rights
before they are questioned by law enforcement officials.
The alleged threat by two 16-year-old boys at Oakland High School was
reported to Secret Service officials in San Francisco by their former
English teacher, Sandy Whitney.
Whitney called the Secret Service the day after a class discussion where
she allegedly heard one of the students say, "We need a sniper to take
care of Bush" and the ot her reply, "Yeah, I'd do it," according to
published reports.
Whitney did not return phone calls. According to a representative of
Whitney's union, the teacher is not talking to the media on the advice of
Oakland High School Principal Clement Mok. Mok also declined to comment.
The two sophomores, who have not been identified, have denied threatening
Bush and said they were just joking around during a routine class
discussion on current affairs.
"They were traumatized by the ordeal," said Larry Felson, a teacher at
Oakland High School who was contacted by the students after the April 23
questioning. "The agents used profanity and made threats against their
immigrant parents. They were told, 'You don't have any rights, we own
you,' when one of them asked for an attorney."
According to Felson, each student was "grilled for 45 minutes to an hour"
in the principal's office and Mok sat in on the questioning. "The
principal clearly should have contacted the parents immediately. He didn't
even talk to them until three weeks later."
"That's just outrageous," said Greg Hodge, president of the Oakland School
Board. "If one of my kids were to make an inappropriate comment, I would
certainly want to be called first, before the Secret Service."
Gen Fujioka, an attorney with San Francisco-based Asian Law Caucus, who is
providing legal advice to the two students, believes Whitney "overreacted"
and the Secret Service agents "acted way out of bounds."
"The kids were told that their parents could be deported," Fujioka said.
"It left them traumatized."
John Gill, a special agent with the Secret Service in Washington, D.C.,
confirmed that the two students were questioned.
"Anytime the issue of a threat to the president of the United States comes
up, the Secret Service has to look into it," Gill said, declining to
comment on the status of the investigation.
Several Bay Area teachers' groups hav e denounced the Secret Service,
Whitney and Mok over the matter. The Oakland Education Assn., the union
representing Oakland's 4,000 school teachers and support staff, issued a
statement calling the interrogation a "blatant infringement of students'
free speech and academic freedom. Students have a right to discuss their
opinions on any subject without the fear of reprisal or threats of arrest
from law enforcement."
Both Hodge and Oakland School Board member Dan Segal said the board plans
to investigate the matter. "We will take any action that is appropriate,"
Segal said.
Some educators and politicians, including Felson and Hodge, have thrown
their weight behind AB 1012, a bill now before the California Assembly
Appropriations Committee, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and
sponsored by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). It would
require high school principals to tell students that they can request that
a legal guardian be present befor e they are made available to law
enforcement officials.
Steinberg believes that the Oakland High incident proves that his bill is
needed.
"And if there's no imminent danger, it seems reasonable to me that the
school should allow the students to contact their parents," he said.
The bill breezed through the Assembly Education Committee and is scheduled
for another committee hearing Wednesday. But it is opposed by some law
enforcement groups, such as the Los Angeles Police Protective League,
because "it would tie the hands of law enforcement from making legitimate
inquiries."
Similar legislation passed twice before but has been vetoed both times by
Republican governors, George Deukmejian in 1989 and Pete Wilson in 1998. A
spokesman for Gov. Gray Davis said Davis has not decided his position on
the Steinberg legislation.
Oakland Schools Supt. Dennis Chaconas said that, though he "would have
preferred the teacher had contacted the principal b efore calling the
Secret Service," he understands the motivation.
However, Chaconas added, since Sept. 11, the district has been asked by
Oakland police to report such threats.
Fujioka said the students and their parents are "looking at several legal
options."
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--A Gibbs Editorial--
http://www.gibbsmagazine.com/Teacher%20strange%20behavior.htm
Last week in Oakland, a local news daily, The Oakland Tribune Newspaper, reported that one of Oakland's high school teachers, Ms. Sandy Whitney, of Oakland High, called the US Secret Service on two 16-year old students in her classroom because the boys, in a class discussion said, "Bush is wacked" and "We need a sniper to take care of Bush." And one of the two boys said, "Yeah, I'd do it and take Bush out! "
Normally, such bizarre stories are placed in Gibbs' side column, under Strange News, but this was of such far-reaching implications, it merits special editorial comment.
It is hard to believe that an adult person who is a teacher, an educated person who is dealing with children, an Oakland High School teacher in Oakland actually bypassed the principal of the school and all other governing administrative structures in the Oakland School Unified District and picked up a telephone, found the US Secret Service number in San Francisco and actually called them to report two children.
First, no sensible adult in a school system who understands anything about children--little Black boys, no doubt--would hear the words spoken by these two boys and feel a hint of seriousness of a threat to a President Bush, who is not scheduled to come to Oakland in the foreseeable future or ever in his life. And two 16-year old boys are not going to Washington or any other place Bush is scheduled and attempt an assassination of Bush. If an adult teacher in Oakland believes that, the teacher is gravely ill and needs urgent care.
Let's assume the teacher who believes such a thing is functioning with all her faculties; wouldn't standard procedures, proper protocol, standard administrative procedures, etc., dictate that this teacher call the principal of the school she is in if she thought there was a true danger? Isn't that the chain of command? Assuming that she was operating with all her faculties and she was a fairly competent teacher and thought the comments of these boys raised a red flag, wouldn't she explore the comments further in class discussion to at least gage the seriousness of them and to educate other students concerning making such comments?
And the school's administration must be looked at as well. First, from all normal administrative standards, this teacher has breached the school's administrative procedures and gone outside the chain of command to the embarrassment of the school and the City, need we say the intimidating and truamatizing of the two 16-year olds. Shouldn't the principal have, at learning of what the rash teacher had done, taken immediate actions against that teacher? And shouldn't that principal, Mr. Clement Mok, once learning that this naive teacher had set in motion a chain of events he could not stop, viz., the Secret Service agents coming to the school, have contacted his administration for directions? And shouldn't the parents of these children have been contacted?
Neither the teacher, Sandy Whitney, nor the principal, Clement Mok, seemingly had the foresight to act responsibly. When the Secret Service agents came to the school, the children's parents had not been contacted, apparently his administrative heads had not been contacted, the principal sat in while two government agents interrogated the two 16-year old children!
There is something terribly wrong with this picture, from the teacher's reactions to the students' comments, to the principal's response to the teacher's action. This whole scenario should have never transpired.
This teacher's reaction to the students' comments and the principal's response to the the situation not only breached all forms of administrative procedure and school governence, both the teacher and the principal breach common understanding, common sense, and common teacher-student and principal-teacher-student-parents (remember them?) protocols. Is this weird behavior on the part of the teacher and the principal some rush to patrotism? When did 16-year old boys in the Oakland inner city high school become terrorists?
The would-be terrorists are not the two young, vain talkers--that is what young boys do! The terrorist, if there is one, is the teacher who is naive, inexperienced, and seemingly unfit to teach inner city children. Doesn't she understand anything about inner city young boys? Who placed her in this school? Where was she educated to be a teacher? What other absudities has she engaged in? Why is she still on the bloated payrolls of the Oakland Unified School District when they are in such dire financial straits?
High school children are children, and children say a thousand dumb and meaningless things a day. It is the nature of children, and any teacher of children should know this before he/she enters the classroom. Oakland's children deserve experienced teachers who are flexible and competent.
One can imagine what this tortured soul of a would-be teacher experiences when she goes home. She must think that every idle word a young, senseless 16-year old Black boy says he will actually do. At 16-years old all he has is a mouth. Jamaica Kincaid and other Black writers indicate that an inner city child has only a mouth, and he/she will take that mouth and make a gun with it. That is what we call shooting off at the mouth! Every inner city teacher should know this.
We lament because there were so many other things that could and should have been done: Talked to the children in open class discussion about their feelings and these comments; second, if the teacher perceived a real concern, go to the principal and allow him to talk to the teacher or the boys or call the parents of the children for a discussion; third, call the District for instructions; fourth, when the Secret Service agents came, the parents should have been called. These are no-brainers solutions and alternatives!
The action of this teacher and this principal of Oakland High shames the school, the District, and the City, but it may also indicate the two employees are unfit for their positions: the teacher does not understand children; she does not understand the chain of command structure, or maybe it is not in place at this school. The principal is not in control of his teachers when they are allowed to bypass normal channels and go directly to the US Secret Service in San Francisco!
There is a serious problem in our school system when teachers are allowed to engage in the type of strange behavior this Oakland teacher under took last week.
http://www.gibbsmagazine.com/Teacher%20strange%20behavior.htm
Last week in Oakland, a local news daily, The Oakland Tribune Newspaper, reported that one of Oakland's high school teachers, Ms. Sandy Whitney, of Oakland High, called the US Secret Service on two 16-year old students in her classroom because the boys, in a class discussion said, "Bush is wacked" and "We need a sniper to take care of Bush." And one of the two boys said, "Yeah, I'd do it and take Bush out! "
Normally, such bizarre stories are placed in Gibbs' side column, under Strange News, but this was of such far-reaching implications, it merits special editorial comment.
It is hard to believe that an adult person who is a teacher, an educated person who is dealing with children, an Oakland High School teacher in Oakland actually bypassed the principal of the school and all other governing administrative structures in the Oakland School Unified District and picked up a telephone, found the US Secret Service number in San Francisco and actually called them to report two children.
First, no sensible adult in a school system who understands anything about children--little Black boys, no doubt--would hear the words spoken by these two boys and feel a hint of seriousness of a threat to a President Bush, who is not scheduled to come to Oakland in the foreseeable future or ever in his life. And two 16-year old boys are not going to Washington or any other place Bush is scheduled and attempt an assassination of Bush. If an adult teacher in Oakland believes that, the teacher is gravely ill and needs urgent care.
Let's assume the teacher who believes such a thing is functioning with all her faculties; wouldn't standard procedures, proper protocol, standard administrative procedures, etc., dictate that this teacher call the principal of the school she is in if she thought there was a true danger? Isn't that the chain of command? Assuming that she was operating with all her faculties and she was a fairly competent teacher and thought the comments of these boys raised a red flag, wouldn't she explore the comments further in class discussion to at least gage the seriousness of them and to educate other students concerning making such comments?
And the school's administration must be looked at as well. First, from all normal administrative standards, this teacher has breached the school's administrative procedures and gone outside the chain of command to the embarrassment of the school and the City, need we say the intimidating and truamatizing of the two 16-year olds. Shouldn't the principal have, at learning of what the rash teacher had done, taken immediate actions against that teacher? And shouldn't that principal, Mr. Clement Mok, once learning that this naive teacher had set in motion a chain of events he could not stop, viz., the Secret Service agents coming to the school, have contacted his administration for directions? And shouldn't the parents of these children have been contacted?
Neither the teacher, Sandy Whitney, nor the principal, Clement Mok, seemingly had the foresight to act responsibly. When the Secret Service agents came to the school, the children's parents had not been contacted, apparently his administrative heads had not been contacted, the principal sat in while two government agents interrogated the two 16-year old children!
There is something terribly wrong with this picture, from the teacher's reactions to the students' comments, to the principal's response to the teacher's action. This whole scenario should have never transpired.
This teacher's reaction to the students' comments and the principal's response to the the situation not only breached all forms of administrative procedure and school governence, both the teacher and the principal breach common understanding, common sense, and common teacher-student and principal-teacher-student-parents (remember them?) protocols. Is this weird behavior on the part of the teacher and the principal some rush to patrotism? When did 16-year old boys in the Oakland inner city high school become terrorists?
The would-be terrorists are not the two young, vain talkers--that is what young boys do! The terrorist, if there is one, is the teacher who is naive, inexperienced, and seemingly unfit to teach inner city children. Doesn't she understand anything about inner city young boys? Who placed her in this school? Where was she educated to be a teacher? What other absudities has she engaged in? Why is she still on the bloated payrolls of the Oakland Unified School District when they are in such dire financial straits?
High school children are children, and children say a thousand dumb and meaningless things a day. It is the nature of children, and any teacher of children should know this before he/she enters the classroom. Oakland's children deserve experienced teachers who are flexible and competent.
One can imagine what this tortured soul of a would-be teacher experiences when she goes home. She must think that every idle word a young, senseless 16-year old Black boy says he will actually do. At 16-years old all he has is a mouth. Jamaica Kincaid and other Black writers indicate that an inner city child has only a mouth, and he/she will take that mouth and make a gun with it. That is what we call shooting off at the mouth! Every inner city teacher should know this.
We lament because there were so many other things that could and should have been done: Talked to the children in open class discussion about their feelings and these comments; second, if the teacher perceived a real concern, go to the principal and allow him to talk to the teacher or the boys or call the parents of the children for a discussion; third, call the District for instructions; fourth, when the Secret Service agents came, the parents should have been called. These are no-brainers solutions and alternatives!
The action of this teacher and this principal of Oakland High shames the school, the District, and the City, but it may also indicate the two employees are unfit for their positions: the teacher does not understand children; she does not understand the chain of command structure, or maybe it is not in place at this school. The principal is not in control of his teachers when they are allowed to bypass normal channels and go directly to the US Secret Service in San Francisco!
There is a serious problem in our school system when teachers are allowed to engage in the type of strange behavior this Oakland teacher under took last week.
"Anytime the issue of a threat to the president of the United States comes up, the Secret Service has to look into it," John Gill, a special agent with the Secret Service in Washington, D.C., said.
Hey, John! Have you counted how many children there ARE in this country? Just starting with the elementary schools will keep the SS busy for quite a while!
Hey, John! Have you counted how many children there ARE in this country? Just starting with the elementary schools will keep the SS busy for quite a while!
"Some educators and politicians, including Felson and Hodge, have thrown
their weight behind AB 1012, a bill now before the California Assembly
Appropriations Committee, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and
sponsored by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). It would
require high school principals to tell students that they can request that
a legal guardian be present befor e they are made available to law
enforcement officials."
--I am a little confused by the wording here. Can students request the presence of a guardian, but the principal is not required to inform the students of this? Or as it now stands, a guardian doesn't need to be present. Which one?? I would like to let my students know.
their weight behind AB 1012, a bill now before the California Assembly
Appropriations Committee, backed by the American Civil Liberties Union and
sponsored by Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). It would
require high school principals to tell students that they can request that
a legal guardian be present befor e they are made available to law
enforcement officials."
--I am a little confused by the wording here. Can students request the presence of a guardian, but the principal is not required to inform the students of this? Or as it now stands, a guardian doesn't need to be present. Which one?? I would like to let my students know.
Well, I don't know nothin' 'bout no any damned 'Bill 'o Rights', but what I does know is this: If them stoopid kidz had done been sayin' anythin' bad 'bout our President that was givin' from God Almighty of our blessed nation, them kidz should be shot like peace activists.
That's the way all those stoopid people with opinions that differ from our god-givin' President should be done with. When people have free minds, the nations security is at stake. The stoopid minorities might take hold in the country, like Californians er sumthin'.
So I'll end by saying that if people speak out against our blessed President, Country, and Texas, they should be put in a gas chamber or be put in jail for life. ...Or both! And if they don't believe in Christ almighty, the same thing should happen.
-John
That's the way all those stoopid people with opinions that differ from our god-givin' President should be done with. When people have free minds, the nations security is at stake. The stoopid minorities might take hold in the country, like Californians er sumthin'.
So I'll end by saying that if people speak out against our blessed President, Country, and Texas, they should be put in a gas chamber or be put in jail for life. ...Or both! And if they don't believe in Christ almighty, the same thing should happen.
-John
There is a problem. They were interviewed under the provisions of the Executive Protection Act (a law that far pre=dated Patriot, in fact into the late Truman Admin). That law actually allows the secret service, on notification of a threat, to take any person into custody and hold them in secret until their status can be cleared up. I am amazed they interviewed them at the school and just didn't pick them up, interview them and drop them off. As far as any state law affecting this, not on a bet. The EPA trumps all other state and federal law in the area of alleged executive threat. In my hometown there is a gent who wrote a threathening, if lighthearted, letter to Carter. Every time the president or VP comes in, he is picked up, wherever he happens to be the day before the arrival and is held in a motel until after the dignitary leaves. He tried suing in federal court and was told he has no standing because under EPA they do own your body when you make such gestures. Scary, but true.
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