Hezbollah Speaker on Monday

The Hezballah speaker will be assasinated before he has a chance to deliver his speech.

Hopefully. He's the closest thing to a nazi there is right now. Hizbollah make no differetiation between wanting to kill Israeli jews with wanting to kill ALL Jews. They see "the Jews" as evil. They're basically nazis, for all intents and purposes.

Hopefully Sheikh Nasrallah will be arrested and incarcerated in Guantanamo with the other terrorists.

The start of this is misleading. They aren't having the actual terrorist as a guest. They're having some professor who is an alleged expert on the hezbollah killing organization.

I'd advise you stay far away from this event. The FBI will be there recording the proceedings and the "admission" fee may be treated as a donation to the Hizb'Allah, a banned group under US law. At least 800 Muslims are now in US custody nationwide for donating money to "terrorist" groups. Many of these Muslims gave to what they considered to be legitimate charities but which were in reality fronts for Hamas and Hizb'Allah. Others simply met with men who later turned out to be affiliated with such groups. Either way, if you are a Muslim or an immigrant, your presence at this event may well be used against you, in a court of law, or in a secret administrative proceeding.

Hizbollah is perhaps the only organization in the Middle East that has struck real, effective blows against the AmeriKKKan terrorist state and its ZioNazi bedmate, Israel. However bad their politics may be on such issues as women's equality, their military successes against the main enemies of the human race should be an inspiration to anti-imperialists throughout the world.

Dear "Bush Admirer",
First of all let me bestow upon you the new moniker of, "Satan's Lover".I am sure you will approve!
Now, while I agree with you completely regarding Hezbollah being an evil terrorist institution, I would point out that history shows that the expansion of modern fundamentalist Islamic terrorism that occured from the early 1900s to the present would not have occured without the financial and "intelligence" support of the U.S. and Great Britain, as well as the U.S. and Britain's puppet regimes: Saudi Arabia, Isreal, and Pakistan.
In other words: IT'S A SCAM!
Now here's what I really want to address: Camp X-Ray/Guantanamo Bay...........

CHILDREN ARE BEING TORTURED AT GUANTANAMO BAY BY COWARDLY GROWN MEN
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/04/28/007.html

..., while during "Operation Enduring Freedom" the Taliban were flown out of Afghanistan to the safety of the land where the Taliban was created: Pakistan by none other than Pakistan and their illustrious partners in crime through terrorism as a pretext, the United States of America:
http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/020128fa_FACT
http://dynamic.washtimes.com/twt-print.cfm?ArticleID=20021218-35993132
http://www.msnbc.com/news/664935.asp?Osi=Prior%20knowledge&cp1=1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4339445,00.html
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/airlifts.htm

...and the only top level Taliban officer arrested during "Operation Enduring Freedom" was the also, coincidentally?...the only top level Taliban officer who warned U.S. intelligence in advance of the September 11th attacks that the attacks were coming!
What do criminals do when they're trying to cover up a crime?They silence the witnesses!
Now we see videotapes of Taliban preparing to attempt to regain power in Afghanistan.Where did these Taliban regroup?Pakistan!The same Pakistan that was the U.S.'s number one ally in "Operation Enduring Freedom", also the same Pakistan that was the U.S. number one ally in CREATING the Taliban for "stabilitly in the region".The CIA/ISI Axis of Evil didn't really creat the Taliban for "stability", they did it to nullify pipeline contracts that the Argentinian oil company Birdas had signed with the Afghani government immediately proceeding the Taliban.
Please do not confuse the Taliban with Al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaeda is an spinoff from the Mujahadin which was a created by Zbigniew Brezezenski in 1979, so when you watch that video clip of Taliban shouting, "Mujahadin!, Mujahadin!" what they are really saying, whether they know it or not is.............
"Council on Foreign Relations!"
"Center for Strategic and International Studies!"
"Project for the New American Century!"
"ANSER Institute for Homeland Security!"
"Trilateral Commission!"
"International Monetary Fund!"
"World Bank!"
"Central Intelligence Agency!"
"Mossad!"
"Saudi Royal Family!"
"British Royalty!"
"the Carlyle Group!"
"MI5 & MI6!"
"Monsanto, or whatever those evil bastards changed their name to!"
.....and I could go on and on and on and on.
All of the above groups are part of a larger problem sometimes referred to as ORGANISED CRIME!
Oh, and regarding Bush...He's a puppet and a sideshow!
Rumsfeld armed Saddam Hussein!
Rumsfeld armed North Korea!
Bush doesn't even know what the game plan is!
Bush is adancing monkey!
So when are you and Satan gonna tie the knot?

U.S. and Pakistan flew Taliban out of Afghanistan to Pakistan during "Enduring Freedom":

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/020128fa_FACT

http://dynamic.washtimes.com/twt-print.cfm?ArticleID=20021218-35993132

http://www.msnbc.com/news/664935.asp?Osi=-Prior%20knowledge&cp1=1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4339445,00.html

http://infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/airlifts.htm

If you support blowing away babies, forcing women to veil themselves and be breeding machines, slitting the htroats of heretics and the like, this meeting is for you! True, you may be charged with supporting "terrorism," but it's all for a good cause, right?

> If you support blowing away babies, forcing women to veil themselves and be breeding machines, slitting the htroats of heretics and the like, this meeting is for you!

The analysis of extreme right-wing Orthodox Jewish Israelis will be a different night.

Sounds like you don't know much about Jewish theology. Before you open your mouth, consider this:

1) In Judaism, a man is obligated to sexually please his wife regualrly. She has NO OBLIGATION to have intercourse with him.

2) The biblical obligation to "be fruitful and multiply" falls on the man. Women don't have to.

3) Married women cover their hair, but not in order to look unattractive (for spiritual reasons). Therefore, they may wear gorgeous wigs that look better than their real hair.

4) Women are considered to be more spiritual and closer to G-d than men.

Jewish women certainly are not breeding machines, as the above proves. Muslim women, on the other hand, must make themselves unattractive and submit to their husbands, WHO MAY BEAT THEM.

By the way, regarding "heretics", in Judaism, non-Jewish people are not considered "heretics" by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, in Judaism it is much easier for a non-Jew to go to heaven than it is for a Jew.

Unlike Muslims, Jewish people to not consider non-believers to be "infidels".

I hope there will be more on his talk after it is over. There is so much which is unclear.

5) Men say a special prayer every morning, "Thank you, God, for not making me a woman." Women don't have a corresponding prayer thanking God for not being men.

Orthodox Jewish Israeli women are, objectively, breeding machines. From How Strong is Orthodox Judaism -- Really?: The Demographics of Jewish Religious Identification:

Moreover, demographics are working for the Orthodox, since their birthrate is almost uniformly high. It has been estimated that in Israel ultra-Orthodox families are producing 5 to 10 children each, while modern Orthodox families are producing 3 to 5 each. It is likely that the same situation prevails in the Diaspora - at a time when non-Orthodox families are producing children at less than replacement level. It is said that the order of the day among ultra-Orthodox is to gain control of the Jewish community through reproduction, which is given added force by the extent of assimilation among the non-Orthodox.

You have lots to say about Jewish theology, and only a bigoted one-liner about Islam. Lame. Have you considered that the hijab is much the same as a nun's headdress?

"Hizbollah is an active political party in Lebanon, with elected representation in the Lebanese Parliament"

Not anymore, atleast not in the new cabinet. Thank you US bombs!

Your underlying assumption is that these women DO NOT WANT to have many children but are forced to by some patriachial society that views them as breeding macines. A woman who CHOOSES to have many children is simply an empowered woman exercising control over her own body.

Regarding "she lo asani isha", the prayer that men make every morning: men and women have different obligations (such as a man's obligation to sexually satusfy his wife, or a woman's obligation to light candles Friday night). Men have more obligations than women, since women are closer to G-d naturally (fulfilling commandments is a way to become closer to G-d). Nevertheless, we are meant to thank G-d for challenges, even if they are difficult. Therefore, men thank G-d for the extra obligations and profess to be grafteful that they have to fulfil more commandments.
Women don't have a corresponding prayer because it would be inappropriate for a person to thank G-d for not giving them more commandments, since we must be perform commandments happily and without resentment.

I really suggest you study halacha (Jewish law) and get to know the "Orthodox" community. You won't find many breeding machines. You will, however, find a lot of strong, empowered women who are the foundation of their communities.

By the way, you obviously know little about Judaism, if you think that a "nun's dress" has anything to do with Judaism. Nuns are Christian, not Jewish! The idea behind the nun's habit is similar to the idea behind the hijab- to makes one's self unattractive. Judaism rejects the idea that a woman should be ugly.

Nice try on the prayer, but I'm not buying your spin.

I'm sure most women around the world feel empowered by having children, the more the better. But to racistly label Muslim women as "breeding machines" when your ultra-Orthodox Israelis are having 5-10 kids per woman is the height of hypocrisy. As is harping on "blowing away babies" by Hezbollah when the IDF does the same thing, and lots else besides.

Sunday,

"Nice try" on the prayer? Sorry, it wasn't my "try". It's what rabbis have been teaching for centuries. Again, I suggest you investigate Judiasm more deeply.

As far as breeding machines are concerned, most Muslim women have no choice in the number of children they have. Islam allows husbands to beat their wives (although Muhammed discouraged it, he permitted it), so it's safe to assume that many are forced to have children by their husbands. Jewish men are absolutely forbidden to hurt their wives. They must even ask their wives' permission if they want to go on a trip, abstain from marital relations, or take a job far away. If a Jewish woman has a baby, it is because she wants to. She is under no obligation whatsoever.

Unfortunately, in a war, there are always civilian casualties. It is truly tragic, but think how many European civilians died from Allied bombing in WW2. Was the Allied attack on the Axis Powers unjustified as a result?

Anyway, keep in mind that if the aim of the IDF is to blow away babies, every baby (G-D forbid) in the territories would be dead by tommorrow. Hizbollah, on the other hand, tries to kill as many Jewish babies as possible. Every Jewish person (Zionist or not) is considered fair game. They simply don't have the military capability to kill every Jewish child. They would if they could, though. Just ask them.

> Was the Allied attack on the Axis Powers unjustified as a result?

The Dresden and Tokyo fire bombings were unjustified and the nuclear bombs were unjustified. Not that IDF terrorizing of the Occupied Territories counts as a "war". It is a colonial occupation.

> Anyway, keep in mind that if the aim of the IDF is to blow away babies,

The aim of the IDF is to terrorize the Palestinians and "encourage" them to leave, while not aggravating US or Israeli public opinion enough to threaten the Israel's power and policy. The regular "accidental", "collateral damage" deaths of children fits in nicely.

Well, this is how it works with this issue. Whenever the topic of Palestinians, or the topic of arabs mistreating other arabs is concerned, the jew-haters out there always bring jews, or "zionists" (their own insane definition of it,that is) or israel into the equation.

NORMAL PERSON: You realize that in Egypt, committing gay acts is punishable by death, or exile, right? While in Israel it's legal to be gay, gays have a pride parade in israel, people's individual choices are respected.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Why do the jews like shooting arabs in the head????????? Zionism is evil!!!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: You realize that in Saudia Arabia, women aren't allowed to even drive cars or work in public places, let alone have important jobs, while in Israel women are free to do whatever, and in fact, Israel has had a woman as a prime minister - the top position in the entire country.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Zionism is racist and evil and racist and discriminatory zionazis are evil israel is bad it's israel's fault!

NORMAL PERSON: You realize that in many muslim countries, it's illegal for a married woman to cheat on her husband, and sometimes women have been raped, and the rapist has been caught, yet the woman was raped gets flogged because the law says that she cheated on her husband.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: the zionists occupation is trying to take over the whole world, that is why arabs do that, it's the zionists!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: Israel offered peace agreements with every arab country. Egypt and Jordan accepted, and Israel honored it fully and proved that when given real peace, Israel is a terrific partner. But Syria still refuses to recognize that Israel should be left alone, Palestinians have had ONE LEADER this whole time who fought with other arabs just as much as he fought with Israel. Israel is obviously willing to make peace, Egypt and Jordan can confirm they have honored everything.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: zionists don't want peace, they want war!

NORMAL PERSON: Then why has Israel offerd peace to everyone, repeatedly, for many years, and 2 arab countries agreed, and Israel accepted, and it's worked out fine, with both sides honoring their agreements?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Zionists want to take over the earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Israel loves to kill!

NORMAL PERSON: Why is it that to this day, it's illegal to be a jewish citien of saudia arabia, yet in Israel the citizens are allowed to practice whatever religion they want, and there are arab muslims in israel's government, democratically elected by 100% of israel's citizens, as we speak? Shouldn't people who are against racial or religious discrimination note this extremely vast difference?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Sharon is worse than hitler! Damn zionazis!!!!!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: It seems that Israel's main demand in return for ending hte occupation all these years has been that Israel receive peace and security. That seems like a reasonable request. Year after year, as that request was rejected, it kind of makes sense that Israel set up additional areas of control, to ward off people who reject the peace offers and just keep attacking.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel doesn't want peace, they may say it, and they may honor it with the arab countries who actually give it to them, but, errr, uhhhhhh, screw the zionists!!!!!!!!!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: In Algeria and some nearby countries, don't they still practice forced female circumcision? That's a sick practice forced upon women.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel shuldn't exist, then there woudl be no need to carve up women's private parts!!

NORMAL PERSON: Israel has freedom of the press. That's why some newspaper articles agree with government moves, others disagree. That's why different voices are heard. But in most arab/muslim countries, the government has 100% control of the media, and no dissenting views are allowed.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Zionists just pretend to have freedom of the press, it's all a lie, open your eyes!!!

NORMAL PERSON: It's strange how peopole blame Ariel Sharon for the current problems, when the fact is that Palestinians began their latest intiafa, and MONTHS LATER, in response, Ariel Sharon was elected into office to deal with it.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Always in response, that's what they always say!

NORMAL PERSON: But, it usually is a case of Israel responding if you actually look at the facts. The fact is, Israel had made a state offer, it wasn't a perfect offer but it was a start, and at the time they made it Arafat was in control of almost all of Palestinian land, and instead of taking time to discuss it, to work with Israel as well as the international community and to keep going in the direction of peace, Arafat rejected even the discussion of it, and soon after, Palestinians began their intifada, and MONTHS LATER, Ariel Sharon was elected into office. So, the fact is, Sharon WAS a response to the intifada.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Sharon caused the intifada by walking to some important buildings, he's a mad killer, he's insane!

NORMAL PERSON: If he's insane, then when palestinians attack Israel, how come Ariel Sharon doesn't just lob giant bombs into Palestinian towns and kill thousands at a time? Logic suggests that Israel sending troops in to go after terrorist organizations, risking their own lives to guard towns and go after groups that are attacking, shows they are trying to be responsible. Irresponsible would be to kill thousands each day, which Ariel Sharon could do if he wanted to.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Ariel Sharon can't do that because then he would be revealed for the killer that he is!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: So, the fact is, Ariel Sharon hasn't done it, so you're calling him a mad killer for something he hasn't done?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: But he would!

NORMAL PERSON: How do you know that? The fact is, Sharon hasn't done it. What he has done is demand that Palestinians cease their terrorist attacks, and in return, he would discuss settling this issue.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Sharon is a mad killer, even if he hasn't actually killed! He's a zionist, they're all killers!

NORMAL PERSON: So, people who don't kill, they're killers?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Yes!

NORMAL PERSON: Hasn't the Palestinian intifada been really self-destructive? Attacking Israel, who was offering peace, and is much more heavily armed than the Palestinians, doesn't seem smart. Yet Palestinians keep doing it, refuse to call off their intifada, and then complain that they're losing the battle. Is that accurate?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Yes! Well, no! I mean, yes! Errr, you're just spewing pro-Israel propaganda!

NORMAL PERSON: It appears I'm telling the truth, based on observing what's actually happening.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: You are a racist zionist and I won't fall for your tricks!

NORMAL PERSON: What?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: zionism is racism!

NORMAL PERSON: zionism means the support of the existence of Israel. In Israel, there are citizens of almost every race on earth. There are arabs, non-arabs, jews, non-jews in the government.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel is an apartheid state! That's why they attack the Palestinians, they want to wipe out all the arabs!

NORMAL PERSON: What? The fact is, every Israeli citizen of every race and every religion has an equal vote, and can run for office. What are you talking about?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Zionists want to kill arab babies!!!!

NORMAL PERSON: You keep saying "zionists." Do you realize that zionism is just the support of the existence of Israel as a jewish homeland? Zionists aren't Israelis, necessarily. Zionists are anyone, anywhere, of any race or religion, who simply support the existence of Israel. Zionists don't necessarily agree with everything Israel does. People disagree. People have different ideas. But to be a "zionist" just means you want Israel to not be taken over and the jews wiped out or overthrown, something arab countries tried repeatedly to do. So when you yell about "the zionists" do you even know who you're yelling about? There are black non-religious circus midgets in alaska, and if they support israel as a jewish homeland, they're zionists.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATICS: crush the zionists, freedom for all! No to racism!

NORMAL PERSON: What?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: You heard me! Israel violates UN resolutions!

NORMAL PERSON: Actually, the UN resolutions against Israel are what are called "non-binding." Look it up. I'll assume you don't know what that means. It means that the resolutions are basically statements that express the view of the majority of the UN. Meaning, the UN has not ordered Israel to do anything. The UN has merely stated their view. It's an expression of an opinion, basically. Furthermore, have you noticed that the UN has singled Israel out while not saying a word about much worse stuff elsewhere? For example, I assume you are aware that China's occupation of Tibet has lasted longer than Israel's occupation of Palestinians. And when the occupations began for both, a lot more people were in Tibet. And, Tibet wasn't trying to destroy China, but China occupied them anyway. But Palestinian leaders were calling for Israel's destruction, so Israel occupied. Also, China has stamped out the ancient culture of Tibet, wiping out most of their holy sites. Israel, meanwhile, has preserved all muslim holy sites. And while Israel has repeatedly tried to negotiate the end of the occupation in exchagne for peace that has not yet come, China has never offered to end the occupation. China turned Chinese into Tibet's language, while wiping our their culture. Why do I bring all this up? Not to say that two alleged wrongs make an alleged right. I bring it up because, while the UN has made COUNTLESS resolutions condemning Israel, they have NOT MADE A SINGLE resolution against China for what they've done. Does that seem fair to you?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Well it serves the zionists right?

NORMAL PERSON: In fact, the UN said and did nothing about massacres in Africa that killed hundreds of thousands, the UN didn't do anything against Saddam for what he did to the Kurds or his own people, the UN has said very little about anything, anywhere, but year after year has singled Israel out while ignoring equal or much worse events elsewhere. This has gone on for 50 years now.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Jews are cheap and liars!

NORMAL PERSON: What?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Sorry, I didn't say that, I meant "the zionists have fooled you!"

NORMAL PERSON: Isn't it strange how if Jews try to live in the West bank or gaza, they are called "illegal settlers," yet in Israel, almost 20% of the population are muslim, and yet they have citizenship of the country?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: That's arab land, Jews have no right to be there!

NORMAL PERSON: So, you just admitted that you are in support of preventing a race or religion from living in one land, yet you demand that the owners of the other land not only give full equality to everyone, but also do favors for those who are trying to destroy the country?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: There you go with your propaganda again!

NORMAL PERSON: You mean, my logic? If it's ok for Saudia Arabia to keep 100% of it's citizenship muslim, while Israel allows it's citizens to practice whatever religion they choose, why are we still attacking Israel for NOT doing what other countries right nearby ARE doing?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: There you go again! Zionist-supporting madmen always try to change the topic!

NORMAL PERSON: It appears you want to single Israel out for everything under the sun, even when all you have to do to find infinitely worse behavior is point at the map and move your finger 2 inches in any direction.

NORMAL PERSON: I think the solution is for Palestinians to get a new leadership, made up of responsible, civil moderates who are not islamic extremists, and to work with them to stamp out Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists will never stop attacking Israel regardless of what Israel does, and once the Palestinian populations are under control, help support those moderate leaders and guide Palestine into becoming a responsible state. If the current terrorists who have run Palestine for 40 years are allowed to control the state, then once it's a strong state they'll probably just go right back to attacking Israel, resulting in a giant war, which no one should want.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel must end the occupation today, give "right of return" for all Palestinians, pay them for all the trouble they've had, and give up their zionist dream!

NORMAL PERSON: But if Israel gives a "right of return" for palestinians, and a few million palestinians flood into Israel, Israel would no longer be a jewish state, jews would be a minority, and with tens of thousands of those palestinians being hamas and islamic jihad members, the jews of israel would probably be wiped out, or forced to flee.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: So? That's fair!

NORMAL PERSON: How in heck is that fair?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: It's fair! Stomp out racism, end zionism, freedom for all!

NORMAL PERSON: So your idea of freedom means Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and a few million Palestinians who want to destroy Israel being allowed to move into Israel so they can wipe out the Jews there and take over?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: I am for fairness and equality, no racism!

NORMAL PERSON: If you demand that Palestinians who once lived in Israel be given homes and payment for what they lost, will you also demand that Jews who once lived in two dozen arab countries be given homes and payment for what they lost? The FACT is, there were hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who once lived in Israel and no longer do, and there were ALSO hundreds of thousands of Jews who once lived in arab countries but had to flee for safety to Israel. If you are going to demand that one set of refugees be compensated, shouldn't you demand that both sides of refugees be compensated.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: No, because I really just hate the jews, errr, uhhhhh, I didn't mean that, I meant I'm anti-zionist, down with zionism, up with israel being destroyed, that's fair, ummm, you're twisting my words, cease your propaganda! Israel shoudln't even exist, it was formed violently!

NORMAL PERSON: Do you realize that there was violence in the formation of almost every country on earth?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: There may be violence, but not from foreign invaders!

NORMAL PERSON: Actually, for decades Israel was being formed by peaceful jewish immigrants moving in and building up communities and towns, alongside and with muslims and arabs around. There was violence when the state was formed, but isn't that true of almost every country/state on this planet? Have you actually looked at how most countries on earth have been formed?

CRAZY ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel has no right to exist, it was carved out of arab territories!

NORMAL PERSON: But, half of earth was carved out of pre-existing territories. Are you against Pakistan existing? Muslims already had a few dozen muslim countries, yet Pakistan was carved out of India. America was run by native american indians, do you also call for americans to leave america and go back to where they came from? How much history do you want to undo? It appears that Israel was formed by settling, building, growing, and then international recognition by pretty much the whole world, outside of arab countries, half of which were formed by european invasion and turned into official countries pretty much the same way.

CRAZY ISREAL-HATING LUNATIC: why do you keep changing the subject?!?!

NORMAL PERSON: Because I'm bringing historical and honest perspective into this. It appears you want to single Israel out for doing things that about half the world has done. Yet, you make no mention of the rest of the world. You just single Israel out, exaggerate their alleged wrongdoings, with no actual historical perspective or sense of reality whatsoever.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: More propaganda. You watch fox news, don't you!

NORMAL PERSON: I watch everything. I also try to learn about everyplace. I try to have an educated, balanced perspective when analyzing things, so that my opinions have some validity. If you want to undo Israel, then if you apply the SAME STANDARDS across the globe, you'd probably undo about half the nations on this planet. That makes no sense.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: You kill babies! Israel's settlements must cease!

NORMAL PERSON: The more Palestinians attack Israel, the more it appears Israel will allow more settlements. Israel offered to remove them in exchange for peace. But a terrorist intifada came instead. So, the settling continued. Anyway, as I said before, why is it that if Jews live in the West bank right now, they are called "illegal settlers," but Muslims who live in Israel right now maintain full citizenship?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: I don't know, why does israel like to shoot children?

NORMAL PERSON: Most hamas terrorists are teenagers. Who can be called "children." If people attack you with guns, or rocks, or bombs, and you shoot them, is it fair to call you a "killer of children?" Why did Palestinians reject Israel's peace offers and send their children to attack heavily armed soldiers? Doesn't that seem irresponsible, dangerous and self-destructive?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Israel WANTS to shoot those kids!

NORMAL PERSON: Really? Then why aren't hundreds or thousands of those kids dying each day? Israel has the power to do that.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Zionists are killers!

NORMAL PERSON: So, the fact is, Israel is restrained to the point where instead of just wiping out hundreds or thousands at a time, they are going after members of terrorist groups who mingle with innocent people, and in street war where everyone from armed killers to kids with rocks are attacking Israeli soldiers, yet Israel has still resisted using massive force and massive casualties. So, the fact is, Israel barely kills compared to what they could do. SO, they're by definition, restrained. Yet, you say they aren't. Even though they are. Right?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Jews are greedy and want to steal the money of those children?

NORMAL PERSON: What?

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: Whoops, I meant that the zionists are greedy and want to kidnap the, ummm, errrrrr, there you go again using facts on me, that's not fair!

NORMAL PERSON: It appears that when Palestinians end their intiada, and can be represented by responsible human beings who genuinely want peace for both sides, Israel is willing to reward them by handing land control over and work towards the formation of a Palestinian state. Well, a second Palesitnian state. YOu realize that just 100 years ago, the "Palestinian territory" included Jordan, right? That's a fact. About 75% of the Palestinian territory was carved out and turned into transjordan, which became Jordan. THe majority of Jordan citizens are "Palestinians." That's a fact. So, really, the West bank and gaza will be a second Palestinian state.

CRAZED ISRAEL-HATING LUNATIC: STop it, you're confusing me. Jews run the world! Stop them and their zionist dreams!

NORMAL PERSON: HOpefully, someday, Palestinians are run by sane leaders, and terrorists can be stomped out. And hopefully Israel rewards those efforts by giving control over to those new responsible leaders. It makes no sense for Arafat, or anyone associated with Arafat, to gain control. Terrorism should not be rewarded. And if Palestinin leadership can be supported to the point where they can control Hamas terrorists, so Israel doesn't have to, then Israel will respond in kind, and a responsible, civil Palestinian state can be created. Israel will respond with kindness when it's possible and safe to do so. That is the future I hope for.

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Feel free to repost this any place where people excessive demonize Israel, rant insane negative nonsense about "zionism," etc. Keep my email address on it.

Why is the whole world INCLUDING this site obsessed with bashing Israel. Of all the problems in the world:
Affirmative action,
SARS,
global warming,
AIDS epidemic,
wars in Africa,
Russia-Chechnya and all the human rights abuses there,
Slavery of Blacks in Sudan,
Gender Aparteid in Saudi Arabia
Reforming Iranian Gov't
India-Pakistan conflict

WHY IS THE WHOLE WORLD AND THE UNITED NATIONS OBSESSED WITH ISRAEL?????????

why is it that even here, in a progressive (supposedly) community, both geographicly and idealogically, does anti-semitism still exist? It's tragic, and horrifying.

They aren't, but they should be, and when we honest journalists finally succeed in exposing the evil of Zionism to the world, they will be.

Oh, and you are aware of your own bigotry and everybody else's???

"Hey", since you have appointed yourself as arbiter, do I have your permission to be anti-Likud without being anti-Jew? Can I despise Dr. Wolfowitz without being anti-academia? Can I be anti-Bush without being anti-hat-but-no-cows-cowboys?

Your mind-reading skills are desparately needed!

Why not invite Likud to co-speak with the Hizbullah fellow? The two are identical, differing only in access to military equipment.

Anti-nationalist and racist, huh? So I bet you are strongly opposed to La Raza, am I right?

"It is absurd that people are dying over such a miserable piece of real estate.Isreal has a right to exist AND the Palestinians are entitled to their own state.
The land issue would have been settled long ago if it weren't for the religious fanatics on BOTH sides.....and our old friends in the weapons business.Guys who live on yachts purchased with the proceeds of bullet sales tend to feel awkward and out-of-place in the unemployment line.This often leads them to ingeneous forms of 'product promotion.' Is it not a slight embarrassment that many of these gentlemen are of the American persuasion?"-The Real Frank Zappa Book page 322

>bollah is an active political party in Lebanon, with >elected representation in the Lebanese Parliament.

As did the Nazis in Germany.

"It is absurd that people are dying over such a miserable piece of real estate.Isreal has a right to exist AND the Palestinians are entitled to their own state.
The land issue would have been settled long ago if it weren't for the religious fanatics on BOTH sides.....and our old friends in the weapons business.Guys who live on yachts purchased with the proceeds of bullet sales tend to feel awkward and out-of-place in the unemployment line.This often leads them to ingeneous forms of 'product promotion.' Is it not a slight embarrassment that many of these gentlemen are of the American persuasion?"-The Real Frank Zappa Book page 322

i'm not anti semetic, but i am very anti zionist

The above is a forgery. MLK never wrote it.

Forgery?

I don't think so but I am willing to listen. Please provide credible links or references.

The treatise, it is claimed, was published on page 76 of the August, 1967 edition of Saturday Review, and supposedly can also be read in the collection of King's work entitled, This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. That the claimants never mention the publisher of this collection should have been a clear tip-off that it might not be genuine, and indeed it isn't. The book doesn't exist. As for Saturday Review, there were four issues in August of 1967. Two of the four editions contained a page 76. One of the pages 76 contains classified ads and the other contained a review of the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's album. No King letter anywhere.

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm

so what happened at that presentation? did anyone actually go, or what?

Most of the comments here are bashing Islam or Zionism. Why??

Hezbollah is the topic and seems to be delivered by someone with first hand knowledge instead of reading the media which are biased in one way or another.

Hezbollah have defended Southern Lebanon after Israel occupied it. They successfully resisted and forced Israel's illegal occupation to cease. This can only be a good thing.

If you actually read news articles in Western media about all the supposed attacks on Westerners by Hezbollah, all these attacks have been done by terrorist parties such as Islamic Jihad and not Hezbollah.

A google search will give you the references, I do not need to list them here.