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A DAMNING INDICTMENT OF THE AMERICAN ANTIWAR MOVEMENT
This is an outstanding analysis of the psychology of chauvinistic American Nationalism and its impact on the American antiwar movement--particularly those sections based upon the Mainstream political groups like the Libertarians or Democratic Party sympathizers. The bottom line is that you antiwar "activists" in America are a pathetic and disgusting joke.
What accounts for the demise of the US peace movement and even the embrace of war among some sectors of the protestors, particularly as the military pulverized and conquered Baghdad?
The most important single factor was the turn from fear of a lethal "attack" by Iraq to the "security" of a US military conquest and occupation of Baghdad. In other words many US opponents of war were not motivated by moral principle or solidarity - they acted against the war because they feared that US society and soldiers might be adversely affected. Once it was clear that there was no chance for any significant retaliation within the US or Iraq (Bush knew all along Iraq was effectively disarmed before invading), that the US military was in total control, they switched loyalties and joined in supporting the warlords.
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Rebelion
April 18, 2003
The evil genius of empire: Will Iraq arise again?
James Petras
Rebelión
Millions of US citizens protested before the war and when it was launched but as the US war machine proceeded to conquer Iraq, the movement declined, the number of protestors decreased to the thousands, and was mostly composed of committed activists. In its place, hundreds of thousands of US flags began to sprout from car antennae and housefronts. The polls indicated that close to three quarters of the population supported Bush's handling of the war.
It is clear that the rapid military conquest and US destruction of Iraq produced a wave of irrational chauvinist support for Bush and the war. The bitch goddess of success - even "successful" genocide - has a multitude of worshippers in the United States. This raises many painful and difficult questions about the nature of the US anti-war movement and popular sentiments. It is clear that those intellectuals who eulogized the pre-war opposition as a "new moral force" on an upward ascent were wrong. Many antiwar dissidents turned and supported the war once it started. An even greater multitude came out waving their flags after Iraq was defeated, Iraqi society destroyed and the Iraqi people humiliated. The war did not heighten opposition, as some progressive intellectuals hoped, military success decreased protest and increased chauvinist sentiments. Moreover as Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al allowed looters and organized gangs to pillage the entire society, there was virtually no popular outrage - only a few professional archeologists and curators bemoaned the losses to humanity.
What accounts for the demise of the US peace movement and even the embrace of war among some sectors of the protestors, particularly as the military pulverized and conquered Baghdad?
The most important single factor was the turn from fear of a lethal "attack" by Iraq to the "security" of a US military conquest and occupation of Baghdad. In other words many US opponents of war were not motivated by moral principle or solidarity - they acted against the war because they feared that US society and soldiers might be adversely affected. Once it was clear that there was no chance for any significant retaliation within the US or Iraq ( Bush knew all along Iraq was effectively disarmed before invading), that the US military was in total control, they switched loyalties and joined in supporting the warlords.
The mass media presented military successes and conquest as the result of the strategic genius of US military and civilian leaders. The media presented every surrender and every humiliation of the Iraqis as reducing the "threat" to US soldiers and civilians. The absence of any Iraqi attack with weapons of mass destruction and the images of the US occupation of the principal oil wells and regime palaces were featured in the media, and were well received, even in a jocular manner, by most US citizens. In the psyche of many US citizens the absence of danger unleashed an orgy of chauvinism and an embrace of the geniuses of evil. Pro-war ideologues and their supporters became more aggressive in promoting new wars. The doubters and critics became defensive and some became demoralized by the sight of mass pillage, the killing of Iraqis protesting US occupation and the deranged chauvinist behavior of their neighbors and workmates, none of whom demonstrated the minimum concern for the conversion of Iraq into a smoldering wasteland. If there was the minimum concern among the mass of US citizens they would have noticed that the images of "masses" of Iraqis supposedly "welcoming" the US "liberators" was in the hundreds in a city of 5 million. That the pulling down of a Saddam statue was preceded by the raising of the US flag and that US soldiers were among the handful of Iraqis pulling down the statue. In Mosul, Baghdad, Najaf, Nasariyz and several other cities, thousands of courageous Iraqis braved US guns, tanks and helicopters, to demand their freedom from the US and their appointed exile stooges as well as Saddam Hussein. But US citizens continued to exalt with pride over the "conquering heroes" ( "our brave soldiers" ) - the assassins of peaceful protestors demanding freedom from their past tyrants and present military overlords. The bulk of the US public is not bothered that a US military general rules over 23 million Iraqis. Newspapers are positively elated to see General Franks celebrating the occupation as his new role as military ruler. Nearly eighty percent of US citizens believe the conquest, destruction and cultural rape of Iraq was a worthy war. They revere the generals and administration for carrying out an 'honorable' war despite the fact that every official justification for the war has been demonstrated to be lies. No weapons of mass destruction were found; no links to Al Queda were found; no capture of Saddam Hussein took place; there was no attempt to protect the civilian population; there was no protection of hospitals. On the contrary, the US occupation forces allowed the hospitals to be attacked and stripped of medicine and equipment - while thousands of maimed and wounded children, women, elderly and soldiers howled in pain and the more fortunate died in pools of blood on hospital floors from treatable wounds.
Contrary to optimistic progressives, the great majority of US citizens are totally disinterested in the suffering of the Iraqis at the hand of the US backed vandals and looters. Only a few indignant curators have protested. In most cities and towns, citizens are preparing celebrations to "welcome home our brave men and women in arms", glad that the B-52 bombers, missiles and fragmentation bombs were able to end the war so quickly, so decisively, so successfully…at the cost of only 121 dead US soldiers. "Bring on Syria", "Bring on Iran". I can hear it now in the beer halls of the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars, as well as in the well modulated but menacing voices of the leaders of major Jewish organizations, echoing the voice of their real President, Ariel Sharon.
This was not a "war" against a dictator, nor even a simply ugly massacre of the Iraqi people, it is the deliberate destruction of a civilization carried out by modern barbarians - modern barbarians combining high-tech weapons of mass destruction, directed at destroying homes, factories, offices, water treatment facilities, public utilities with primitive vandals and paramilitary forces destroying the heritage of 5000 years of civilization and 30 years of a modern secular Arab state. Vandals unleashed to incinerate the archives of a nation, its libraries and research institutes, to strip the most famous archeological museum of priceless antiquities and jewels of Islamic art, to destroy universities, school records, hospitals, documents detailing the most important aspects of modern Iraqi life as well as Iraqi national heritage. This is the systematic destruction of everything which allows a people to exist as a recognized nation.
There is no question that the pillage by the vandals was a deliberate policy of the US government. Washington was advised in advance of the war of the danger to the museums and precious historical archives. Yet Washington chose to meet in January with antiquities dealers to "liberalize" the rules of sale and export of looted art. Perlstein and other representatives of American art dealers demanded the US abolish Iraq's "retentionist" policy on art and antiquities. As the occupation took place and Iraqi citizens pleaded with US official and soldiers to protect the museums, offices, archives and hospitals, they were driven away. In cases where citizens defended their homes and businesses from the vandals, they were denounced to the Marines as supporters of Saddam Hussein and shot. The world's greatest war criminal Rumsfeld in his usual cynical and sinister jocular fashion absolved the vandals…"There is always looting after a war." He added, "There was nothing we could do…freedom means being free to do bad things."
The US armed forces,-200,000- occupied the major cities, protected the oil wells, took over the presidential palaces, patrolled the major streets in the city centers - helicopters, machine guns, tanks everywhere - and yet the most powerful army in the world could not stop hundreds of lightly armed criminals and arsonists right in front of their eyes?
One has to be utterly stupid to believe that this was merely an oversight. When there are riots and looting of supermarkets in the US, the National Reserves are given orders to "shoot to kill'… and they do, mostly Blacks and Hispanics, but not vandals, pillaging the heritage of humanity.
Pillage follows the logic of the US empire. First the sanctions, impoverishing the country and undermining the health of the new generation; then war to destroy the basic foundation of the economy and infrastructure; followed by pillage by paramilitary groups to obliterate the historical memory, the symbols and signs of a civilization; and finally the partition of the country among a collection of sheiks, mullahs, disreputable exile flunkeys, tribal tyrants and local gangsters - under the direction of a US generalisimo and US marines and protected by servile police and local officials willing to serve the foreign ruler. The US use of vandals and thugs follows the example of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the use of Maronite militias to pillage and murder Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila. The destruction of hospitals, schools, ministries of health and education, land ownership records and cultural centers resembles Jenin, Ramalla and Nablus - only on a national scale. The imperial barbarians use the local vandals to complete the "final solution" - the reduction of a proud historical nation into a series of fragmented primitive fiefdoms of servile and tyranical vassals.
The imperial barbarians drunk with power, elated by massive public support, egged on by Ariel Sharon and his Zionist proxies in the Bush Administration immediately prepare for new conquests in Syria and Iran, recycling the same formula used to invade and destroy Iraq. The drive for Imperial wars is no longer oil, it is Israeli regional interests. A former high level CIA analyst spelled it out very clearly on US National Public Radio…"After Iraq, the US policymakers are looking forward to regime change or modification in Syria and Iran which will ensure that Israel will be the unchallenged superpower in the region".
The "evil genius" of US empire has infected the country - from a scratch it has become gangrene. The belief that the US can wage wars of conquest successfully without losing soldiers - is now common currency among the mass of North Americans. The high tech barbarians of Empire are unleashed. To the dismayed critics who ask "why the destruction and pillage?" , Rumsfeld answers "Why not? We won - They lost." Rumsfeld, Sharon, the Generals and the Israeli surrogates in Washington have not definitively defeated the Iraqi people. Surrogate vassals, bogus "prime ministers", imperial appointed administrators are already suspect or openly rejected. US occupation forces are frightened of every "stranger" in the streets - for they are the first conquering army that never fought…(the bombs did it all). Face to face with tens of thousands of Iraqis who totally reject them, they panic, they shoot and they kill, but the civilian pressure is building. Their slogans - "Neither Saddam nor the US" may not be the complete program for democracy and development…but it is a start. The Iraqi people are rising from the ashes once again, it is the story of 5,000 years of civilization, conquest and national liberation.
The most important single factor was the turn from fear of a lethal "attack" by Iraq to the "security" of a US military conquest and occupation of Baghdad. In other words many US opponents of war were not motivated by moral principle or solidarity - they acted against the war because they feared that US society and soldiers might be adversely affected. Once it was clear that there was no chance for any significant retaliation within the US or Iraq (Bush knew all along Iraq was effectively disarmed before invading), that the US military was in total control, they switched loyalties and joined in supporting the warlords.
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Rebelion
April 18, 2003
The evil genius of empire: Will Iraq arise again?
James Petras
Rebelión
Millions of US citizens protested before the war and when it was launched but as the US war machine proceeded to conquer Iraq, the movement declined, the number of protestors decreased to the thousands, and was mostly composed of committed activists. In its place, hundreds of thousands of US flags began to sprout from car antennae and housefronts. The polls indicated that close to three quarters of the population supported Bush's handling of the war.
It is clear that the rapid military conquest and US destruction of Iraq produced a wave of irrational chauvinist support for Bush and the war. The bitch goddess of success - even "successful" genocide - has a multitude of worshippers in the United States. This raises many painful and difficult questions about the nature of the US anti-war movement and popular sentiments. It is clear that those intellectuals who eulogized the pre-war opposition as a "new moral force" on an upward ascent were wrong. Many antiwar dissidents turned and supported the war once it started. An even greater multitude came out waving their flags after Iraq was defeated, Iraqi society destroyed and the Iraqi people humiliated. The war did not heighten opposition, as some progressive intellectuals hoped, military success decreased protest and increased chauvinist sentiments. Moreover as Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al allowed looters and organized gangs to pillage the entire society, there was virtually no popular outrage - only a few professional archeologists and curators bemoaned the losses to humanity.
What accounts for the demise of the US peace movement and even the embrace of war among some sectors of the protestors, particularly as the military pulverized and conquered Baghdad?
The most important single factor was the turn from fear of a lethal "attack" by Iraq to the "security" of a US military conquest and occupation of Baghdad. In other words many US opponents of war were not motivated by moral principle or solidarity - they acted against the war because they feared that US society and soldiers might be adversely affected. Once it was clear that there was no chance for any significant retaliation within the US or Iraq ( Bush knew all along Iraq was effectively disarmed before invading), that the US military was in total control, they switched loyalties and joined in supporting the warlords.
The mass media presented military successes and conquest as the result of the strategic genius of US military and civilian leaders. The media presented every surrender and every humiliation of the Iraqis as reducing the "threat" to US soldiers and civilians. The absence of any Iraqi attack with weapons of mass destruction and the images of the US occupation of the principal oil wells and regime palaces were featured in the media, and were well received, even in a jocular manner, by most US citizens. In the psyche of many US citizens the absence of danger unleashed an orgy of chauvinism and an embrace of the geniuses of evil. Pro-war ideologues and their supporters became more aggressive in promoting new wars. The doubters and critics became defensive and some became demoralized by the sight of mass pillage, the killing of Iraqis protesting US occupation and the deranged chauvinist behavior of their neighbors and workmates, none of whom demonstrated the minimum concern for the conversion of Iraq into a smoldering wasteland. If there was the minimum concern among the mass of US citizens they would have noticed that the images of "masses" of Iraqis supposedly "welcoming" the US "liberators" was in the hundreds in a city of 5 million. That the pulling down of a Saddam statue was preceded by the raising of the US flag and that US soldiers were among the handful of Iraqis pulling down the statue. In Mosul, Baghdad, Najaf, Nasariyz and several other cities, thousands of courageous Iraqis braved US guns, tanks and helicopters, to demand their freedom from the US and their appointed exile stooges as well as Saddam Hussein. But US citizens continued to exalt with pride over the "conquering heroes" ( "our brave soldiers" ) - the assassins of peaceful protestors demanding freedom from their past tyrants and present military overlords. The bulk of the US public is not bothered that a US military general rules over 23 million Iraqis. Newspapers are positively elated to see General Franks celebrating the occupation as his new role as military ruler. Nearly eighty percent of US citizens believe the conquest, destruction and cultural rape of Iraq was a worthy war. They revere the generals and administration for carrying out an 'honorable' war despite the fact that every official justification for the war has been demonstrated to be lies. No weapons of mass destruction were found; no links to Al Queda were found; no capture of Saddam Hussein took place; there was no attempt to protect the civilian population; there was no protection of hospitals. On the contrary, the US occupation forces allowed the hospitals to be attacked and stripped of medicine and equipment - while thousands of maimed and wounded children, women, elderly and soldiers howled in pain and the more fortunate died in pools of blood on hospital floors from treatable wounds.
Contrary to optimistic progressives, the great majority of US citizens are totally disinterested in the suffering of the Iraqis at the hand of the US backed vandals and looters. Only a few indignant curators have protested. In most cities and towns, citizens are preparing celebrations to "welcome home our brave men and women in arms", glad that the B-52 bombers, missiles and fragmentation bombs were able to end the war so quickly, so decisively, so successfully…at the cost of only 121 dead US soldiers. "Bring on Syria", "Bring on Iran". I can hear it now in the beer halls of the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars, as well as in the well modulated but menacing voices of the leaders of major Jewish organizations, echoing the voice of their real President, Ariel Sharon.
This was not a "war" against a dictator, nor even a simply ugly massacre of the Iraqi people, it is the deliberate destruction of a civilization carried out by modern barbarians - modern barbarians combining high-tech weapons of mass destruction, directed at destroying homes, factories, offices, water treatment facilities, public utilities with primitive vandals and paramilitary forces destroying the heritage of 5000 years of civilization and 30 years of a modern secular Arab state. Vandals unleashed to incinerate the archives of a nation, its libraries and research institutes, to strip the most famous archeological museum of priceless antiquities and jewels of Islamic art, to destroy universities, school records, hospitals, documents detailing the most important aspects of modern Iraqi life as well as Iraqi national heritage. This is the systematic destruction of everything which allows a people to exist as a recognized nation.
There is no question that the pillage by the vandals was a deliberate policy of the US government. Washington was advised in advance of the war of the danger to the museums and precious historical archives. Yet Washington chose to meet in January with antiquities dealers to "liberalize" the rules of sale and export of looted art. Perlstein and other representatives of American art dealers demanded the US abolish Iraq's "retentionist" policy on art and antiquities. As the occupation took place and Iraqi citizens pleaded with US official and soldiers to protect the museums, offices, archives and hospitals, they were driven away. In cases where citizens defended their homes and businesses from the vandals, they were denounced to the Marines as supporters of Saddam Hussein and shot. The world's greatest war criminal Rumsfeld in his usual cynical and sinister jocular fashion absolved the vandals…"There is always looting after a war." He added, "There was nothing we could do…freedom means being free to do bad things."
The US armed forces,-200,000- occupied the major cities, protected the oil wells, took over the presidential palaces, patrolled the major streets in the city centers - helicopters, machine guns, tanks everywhere - and yet the most powerful army in the world could not stop hundreds of lightly armed criminals and arsonists right in front of their eyes?
One has to be utterly stupid to believe that this was merely an oversight. When there are riots and looting of supermarkets in the US, the National Reserves are given orders to "shoot to kill'… and they do, mostly Blacks and Hispanics, but not vandals, pillaging the heritage of humanity.
Pillage follows the logic of the US empire. First the sanctions, impoverishing the country and undermining the health of the new generation; then war to destroy the basic foundation of the economy and infrastructure; followed by pillage by paramilitary groups to obliterate the historical memory, the symbols and signs of a civilization; and finally the partition of the country among a collection of sheiks, mullahs, disreputable exile flunkeys, tribal tyrants and local gangsters - under the direction of a US generalisimo and US marines and protected by servile police and local officials willing to serve the foreign ruler. The US use of vandals and thugs follows the example of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the use of Maronite militias to pillage and murder Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila. The destruction of hospitals, schools, ministries of health and education, land ownership records and cultural centers resembles Jenin, Ramalla and Nablus - only on a national scale. The imperial barbarians use the local vandals to complete the "final solution" - the reduction of a proud historical nation into a series of fragmented primitive fiefdoms of servile and tyranical vassals.
The imperial barbarians drunk with power, elated by massive public support, egged on by Ariel Sharon and his Zionist proxies in the Bush Administration immediately prepare for new conquests in Syria and Iran, recycling the same formula used to invade and destroy Iraq. The drive for Imperial wars is no longer oil, it is Israeli regional interests. A former high level CIA analyst spelled it out very clearly on US National Public Radio…"After Iraq, the US policymakers are looking forward to regime change or modification in Syria and Iran which will ensure that Israel will be the unchallenged superpower in the region".
The "evil genius" of US empire has infected the country - from a scratch it has become gangrene. The belief that the US can wage wars of conquest successfully without losing soldiers - is now common currency among the mass of North Americans. The high tech barbarians of Empire are unleashed. To the dismayed critics who ask "why the destruction and pillage?" , Rumsfeld answers "Why not? We won - They lost." Rumsfeld, Sharon, the Generals and the Israeli surrogates in Washington have not definitively defeated the Iraqi people. Surrogate vassals, bogus "prime ministers", imperial appointed administrators are already suspect or openly rejected. US occupation forces are frightened of every "stranger" in the streets - for they are the first conquering army that never fought…(the bombs did it all). Face to face with tens of thousands of Iraqis who totally reject them, they panic, they shoot and they kill, but the civilian pressure is building. Their slogans - "Neither Saddam nor the US" may not be the complete program for democracy and development…but it is a start. The Iraqi people are rising from the ashes once again, it is the story of 5,000 years of civilization, conquest and national liberation.
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The severe criticisms of the U.S. peace movement (from Rebelion etc.) are only partially justified and correct. They are, however, totally destructive, which gives me pause as to their raison d'etre. I ask the authors to please consider the following points in reply: 1. U.S. education has been declining in value for a generation or more. Means lots of ignorant people here. 2. Average citizens are systematically encouraged to ignore politics. They have become apathetic, taking what they are told is "democracy" for granted. 3. A great majority of them have been enticed into a consumerism which keeps them struggling just to get or keep a perilous place in the "middle class." 4. More have been awakened by this Iraq venture than at any time since Vietnam. Even the large protests then did not occur for years after the war started. 5. I doubt the validity of the "polls" conducted by agencies with an interest in supporting the status quo -- which means most of them. My feeling (I can't back it up with statistics) is that there is a large latent majority trying to find viable alternatives to the culture of violence which we now have in the US. This is an extremely difficult thing to do, and it will take years of patience, education, honest searching and practice of utterly different ways of living on every hand. 6. There are millions throughout the world who are awakened to the evils of the present system sponsoring imperialism worldwide, and they can and will continue to unite with peace movement people here to try to build a better world. They can be of tremendous help. 7. The difficulties will be great. We cannot afford to undermine each other, so let's make the criticisms constructive. Sincerely, Jean Gerard
I only skimmed the article. I am too busy working for peace to read it carefully. Has the writer ever been to the US? In my town, the houses and cars with NO flag are the vast majority. Like Nazi Germany, people here are scared to speak out. Yet we do. See all the fabulous actions covered by indymedia. Check out Lockheed Martin April 22, a workday.
Informed peace people know all that. If we could change out government, we would. If voting changed anything, they would not let us vote.
"It is clear that the rapid military conquest and US destruction of Iraq produced a wave of irrational chauvinist support for Bush and the war. The bitch goddess of success - even "successful" genocide - has a multitude of worshippers in the United States."
Yes, it does. This is a sick and disgusting country and I was appalled when John Judge said last night that only the American people can stop this thing - wrong.
Number one, the American people have the full force of the most powerful and manipulative Orwellian media monstrosity in the history of the planet bearing down on them at every turn.
Number two, pathetic self-centered a--holes that many Americans are, they fell for it.
"This raises many painful and difficult questions about the nature of the US anti-war movement and popular sentiments."
Yes. Nothing will *really* change in the US until the ATMs no longer spit out cash. At that point, every non-white person without a flag and a gun will have to either form an underground army or go into hiding. No one will blame the corporations. They're trained like dogs already to attack the lower classes. Bickering about the details of the peace movement won't get us anywhere, in my opinion. But then, somebody's got to do it.
So thanks.
Yes, it does. This is a sick and disgusting country and I was appalled when John Judge said last night that only the American people can stop this thing - wrong.
Number one, the American people have the full force of the most powerful and manipulative Orwellian media monstrosity in the history of the planet bearing down on them at every turn.
Number two, pathetic self-centered a--holes that many Americans are, they fell for it.
"This raises many painful and difficult questions about the nature of the US anti-war movement and popular sentiments."
Yes. Nothing will *really* change in the US until the ATMs no longer spit out cash. At that point, every non-white person without a flag and a gun will have to either form an underground army or go into hiding. No one will blame the corporations. They're trained like dogs already to attack the lower classes. Bickering about the details of the peace movement won't get us anywhere, in my opinion. But then, somebody's got to do it.
So thanks.
The author of this article is like a horse with blinders with a narrow view of life and history. It is idiotic to blame the decrease in war-protest on peace activist.
When the USA (or any other country) goes to war against another country that has been dimonized by years of racist propaganda, the population in such countries always goes on a sick nationalistic spree. Politicians know that and they support war in order to get a boost in poll ratings. There is lettle the peace movement in any countty can do about that.
The mass of people are brainwashed from cradle to the grave by a mainstream media that functions as a propaganda arm of our war loving government.
When war starts it is only human nature to feel dispirited by the success of the war-porfiteers. We should continue to work for peace. Even the most ardent flag wavers can come to their senses when warmongers overeach and peace activist have to help with educations and facts one little bit at a time.
Peace
When the USA (or any other country) goes to war against another country that has been dimonized by years of racist propaganda, the population in such countries always goes on a sick nationalistic spree. Politicians know that and they support war in order to get a boost in poll ratings. There is lettle the peace movement in any countty can do about that.
The mass of people are brainwashed from cradle to the grave by a mainstream media that functions as a propaganda arm of our war loving government.
When war starts it is only human nature to feel dispirited by the success of the war-porfiteers. We should continue to work for peace. Even the most ardent flag wavers can come to their senses when warmongers overeach and peace activist have to help with educations and facts one little bit at a time.
Peace
Hola James
You present the atrocity well and the propagandizing of America. Thanks.
Has it made you mad, angry? Understood.
May I suggest less TV. TV is really corrupt. Free yourself to move on.
"Nearly eighty percent of US citizens believe..." Just another TV lie. You know that.
We are the majority.
Relax. It will be a long fight against the world’s most powerful, elite minority...
Spend less. Drive less. A continuing bad economy will help to bring them down.
Turn down the heat, and we'll get warmer. Put on an old jacket.
Live poor. You will connect better.
Boycott all the corporations that are against us.
Reach out to all. You never know who will fall.
Discuss more. Make sense. Agitate more. Be positive. Don’t give up.
Smile more. Love the masses. Be happy working for a better world...
Tu amigo, Van.
You present the atrocity well and the propagandizing of America. Thanks.
Has it made you mad, angry? Understood.
May I suggest less TV. TV is really corrupt. Free yourself to move on.
"Nearly eighty percent of US citizens believe..." Just another TV lie. You know that.
We are the majority.
Relax. It will be a long fight against the world’s most powerful, elite minority...
Spend less. Drive less. A continuing bad economy will help to bring them down.
Turn down the heat, and we'll get warmer. Put on an old jacket.
Live poor. You will connect better.
Boycott all the corporations that are against us.
Reach out to all. You never know who will fall.
Discuss more. Make sense. Agitate more. Be positive. Don’t give up.
Smile more. Love the masses. Be happy working for a better world...
Tu amigo, Van.
You "peace" activists in the USA have hard time facing the painful truth don't you?
Deny all you want but what Petras is saying is right on the mark. The vast majority of the people in America who initiallly opposed America's War were doing so only on the basis of narrow self-interest and fear of what retaliation America might suffer from Iraq.
When it became clear that Iraq had no capacity to retaliate against America, many of these supposed "antiwar" people quickly jumped ship and began spouting their "Support the Troops" bullshit.
You self-styled activists need to face the truth of what kind of bloodthirsty nation you live in and the evil people who inhabit much of your nation.
Deny all you want but what Petras is saying is right on the mark. The vast majority of the people in America who initiallly opposed America's War were doing so only on the basis of narrow self-interest and fear of what retaliation America might suffer from Iraq.
When it became clear that Iraq had no capacity to retaliate against America, many of these supposed "antiwar" people quickly jumped ship and began spouting their "Support the Troops" bullshit.
You self-styled activists need to face the truth of what kind of bloodthirsty nation you live in and the evil people who inhabit much of your nation.
Anytime someone says "the vast majority" I look for substantiation. The "vast majority" of people buy Easter baskets for their kids too.
I don't know anyone who protested because they were afraid of the effects on the United States. That claim was merely part of a rhetorical arsenal used by those who are trying to educate their fellow Americans as to "why they hate us." Why aren't you helping instead of hurting?
I am going to say the same thing to you that I say to anti-choice people. If you are so worried about children, why aren't you working to make the world a safer and healthier place for them instead of condemning women to involutary servitude?
If you are so worried about the motives of the anti-war protestors, why aren't you saying something constructive instead of constructing misinformation and misstatements and spewing them over the internet?
I don't know anyone who protested because they were afraid of the effects on the United States. That claim was merely part of a rhetorical arsenal used by those who are trying to educate their fellow Americans as to "why they hate us." Why aren't you helping instead of hurting?
I am going to say the same thing to you that I say to anti-choice people. If you are so worried about children, why aren't you working to make the world a safer and healthier place for them instead of condemning women to involutary servitude?
If you are so worried about the motives of the anti-war protestors, why aren't you saying something constructive instead of constructing misinformation and misstatements and spewing them over the internet?
Petras is an unreconstructed windbag. His criticisms here are just bullshit. He's an embarrasment to the left.
that's what you call a ad hominem attack, Mike.
I dont think he is saying--DO NOTHING, ITS NO USE.
Its more--let's be realistic.
the majority of Amercans are not anti-war.
And if you think they are, you seriously deluded
Why? The brainwashed thing only goes so far.
The majority of Americans feel like they have a stake in the system as it is. It is as simple as that.
we can be better organizers if we accept that reality.
I dont think he is saying--DO NOTHING, ITS NO USE.
Its more--let's be realistic.
the majority of Amercans are not anti-war.
And if you think they are, you seriously deluded
Why? The brainwashed thing only goes so far.
The majority of Americans feel like they have a stake in the system as it is. It is as simple as that.
we can be better organizers if we accept that reality.
Anti-war protests were not enough and it was the responsibility of the people of the US to stop this carnage. Bush and his hawks had all this planned and swift action was part of that. Peace movement was too slow and too 60s in its reaction. These events have consequences for all countries with corrupt governments of super rich men, for whom ordinary lives count for nothing. You know that there is a possibility that your own government orchestated 9/11. What do you have to look forward to but more 'terrorism' illegal detention and biological warfare from within. Remember that MI 6 was responsible for terroritst attacks in Northern Ireland and that British courts framed innocent people and locked them up for 20 years. This is fact, not some wild theory.WORK A BIT HARDER FOR PEACE BECAUSE THE US IS DESTROYING THE WHOLE WORLD
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