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'100 percent hero' injured saving Iraqi child
REPTON, Ala. (AP) -- A 25-year-old Army sergeant from Alabama was critically wounded when a cluster bomb exploded as he tried to save an Iraqi child and members of his unit from being harmed by it, the soldier's family said.
Sgt. Troy Jenkins of the Army's 101st Airborne Division lost his left leg and fingers on his right hand when the bomb exploded, his mother told the Mobile Register.
Connie Gibson of Repton said Department of Defense officers told the family Monday that Jenkins was in "seriously critical" condition and is undergoing treatment in Kuwait. An attempt to reach Gibson by phone Tuesday was not immediately successful.
"He's a hero," Gibson told the Register, "a 100 percent hero. He threw himself on an unexploded cluster bomb to save a child and his unit."
A news release on the Central Command Web site said four soldiers were injured when a child attempted to turn over unexploded ordnance. The ordnance exploded when a soldier "attempted to remove it from the child's hand."
The Central Command Web site said three soldiers were taken to medical treatment facilities and a fourth was treated and returned to duty.
The incident is under investigation but officials do not believe the child, who was slightly injured, was part of an attack against the soldiers who were part of a crowd control force, Gibson said.
She said military officials notified her son's wife, Amanda Jenkins, at their California home on Saturday.
Jenkins, a graduate of Hillcrest High in Evergreen, and his wife have two sons, Tristan, 4, and Brandon, 2.
He joined the U.S. Marine Corps at 17 and four years later joined the U.S. Army and trained to be a paratrooper. He also studied Arabic.
"I'm asking for prayers," Gibson said. "Troy's a Christian, and I am so very proud of him. You like to think your children will do the right thing. He did, and he's an absolute hero."
Jenkins was injured last June in Afghanistan when he was grazed by a bullet, she said.
He will be transported to Germany and then to a U.S. hospital for treatment once his injuries are stabilized, officials told the family.
Connie Gibson of Repton said Department of Defense officers told the family Monday that Jenkins was in "seriously critical" condition and is undergoing treatment in Kuwait. An attempt to reach Gibson by phone Tuesday was not immediately successful.
"He's a hero," Gibson told the Register, "a 100 percent hero. He threw himself on an unexploded cluster bomb to save a child and his unit."
A news release on the Central Command Web site said four soldiers were injured when a child attempted to turn over unexploded ordnance. The ordnance exploded when a soldier "attempted to remove it from the child's hand."
The Central Command Web site said three soldiers were taken to medical treatment facilities and a fourth was treated and returned to duty.
The incident is under investigation but officials do not believe the child, who was slightly injured, was part of an attack against the soldiers who were part of a crowd control force, Gibson said.
She said military officials notified her son's wife, Amanda Jenkins, at their California home on Saturday.
Jenkins, a graduate of Hillcrest High in Evergreen, and his wife have two sons, Tristan, 4, and Brandon, 2.
He joined the U.S. Marine Corps at 17 and four years later joined the U.S. Army and trained to be a paratrooper. He also studied Arabic.
"I'm asking for prayers," Gibson said. "Troy's a Christian, and I am so very proud of him. You like to think your children will do the right thing. He did, and he's an absolute hero."
Jenkins was injured last June in Afghanistan when he was grazed by a bullet, she said.
He will be transported to Germany and then to a U.S. hospital for treatment once his injuries are stabilized, officials told the family.
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The guy is an antichrist minion participating in an illegal war, although admittedly his actions should mitigate his guilt for participating in the genocide of the Iraqi people.
However, a REAL hero would have stood up to the antichrist regime of George Bush at the outset and would have refused illegal orders to participate in the Iraqi genocide in the first place. A real hero would have been a bombardier who deliberately defied orders and refused to drop cluster bombs on civilian populations in Iraq or anywhere else..
Sorry, no heroic welcome to the Drak homeworld awaits Sgt. Troy Jenkins.
However, a REAL hero would have stood up to the antichrist regime of George Bush at the outset and would have refused illegal orders to participate in the Iraqi genocide in the first place. A real hero would have been a bombardier who deliberately defied orders and refused to drop cluster bombs on civilian populations in Iraq or anywhere else..
Sorry, no heroic welcome to the Drak homeworld awaits Sgt. Troy Jenkins.
Heroism is not a matter of degrees. A single act can make one a hero or a heroine. The famous Oskar Schindler, for example, was a card carrying, dues paying Nazi whose industrial savvy directly supported the murderous Nazi war machine. Yet was not Oskar Schindler a hero?
Even in the depths of depravity that is war, our basic humanity is capable of shining through. At our deepest level, we humans are more than individuals. No one is smart enough to make it through life with only one brain. We need each other and we know it. On the deepest level, we are all family. No amount of boot camp brainwashing can entirely erase the natural human instinct to reach out and help another member of the human family. That instinct is a basic part of what makes us human in the first place. It cannot be completely overridden in anyone but a true psychopath.
What made this man a hero is not that he risked his life to save a stranger. That is not as uncommon as the news and other fiction would have us believe. Heroism is not the exception. It is part of the human condition. We all have it in us. It’s instinctual. No matter how deep it has been driven down, it’s always there, genetically programmed into our very being, just in case we need it.
People often risk their lives for others, often on the spur of the moment, and usually under pressure. Pressure brings out the best in us, as well as the worst. Usually, though, they only do it for people to whom they are close, especially blood relatives. What made this man a hero was that he transcended the racist, dehumanizing brainwash of boot camp to see in this child, not a “raghead,” but a fellow member of the human family. Almost anyone would risk their life to save their own child. Yet, on a deep fundamental level, all children are our children. We are all blood relatives, every single one of us. Under pressure, this man saw that, the brainwashing sloughed off, and he acted in the most human way anyone can act.
Yeah, it would have been better if he, and all soldiers, on every side of every war, mutinied, threw down their weapons and embraced each other as the comrades they are. He didn’t. Neither did most of them. That doesn’t make him any less a “real” hero. Like i said, it only takes a single act.
Even in the depths of depravity that is war, our basic humanity is capable of shining through. At our deepest level, we humans are more than individuals. No one is smart enough to make it through life with only one brain. We need each other and we know it. On the deepest level, we are all family. No amount of boot camp brainwashing can entirely erase the natural human instinct to reach out and help another member of the human family. That instinct is a basic part of what makes us human in the first place. It cannot be completely overridden in anyone but a true psychopath.
What made this man a hero is not that he risked his life to save a stranger. That is not as uncommon as the news and other fiction would have us believe. Heroism is not the exception. It is part of the human condition. We all have it in us. It’s instinctual. No matter how deep it has been driven down, it’s always there, genetically programmed into our very being, just in case we need it.
People often risk their lives for others, often on the spur of the moment, and usually under pressure. Pressure brings out the best in us, as well as the worst. Usually, though, they only do it for people to whom they are close, especially blood relatives. What made this man a hero was that he transcended the racist, dehumanizing brainwash of boot camp to see in this child, not a “raghead,” but a fellow member of the human family. Almost anyone would risk their life to save their own child. Yet, on a deep fundamental level, all children are our children. We are all blood relatives, every single one of us. Under pressure, this man saw that, the brainwashing sloughed off, and he acted in the most human way anyone can act.
Yeah, it would have been better if he, and all soldiers, on every side of every war, mutinied, threw down their weapons and embraced each other as the comrades they are. He didn’t. Neither did most of them. That doesn’t make him any less a “real” hero. Like i said, it only takes a single act.
"The famous Oskar Schindler, for example, was a card carrying, dues paying Nazi whose industrial savvy directly supported the murderous Nazi war machine. Yet was not Oskar Schindler a hero?"
No, Oskar Schindler was a nazi war criminal who possibly would have deserved mitigation in sentencing as a war criminal for his actions in saving some of the Jews who were the victims of his criminality.
I suggest you see the film "Judgment at Nuremberg" which treats this issue and is available on videotape. The film is the fictionalization of an actual case involving a prominent Weimar Republic jurist and judge who kept his post under the nazis. Like Schindler, his actions rescued some people from the nazis. But other collaborationist actions on his part resulted in the death of other innocents. While he was spared the gallows both for extraneous political reasons and because of the affidavits of people he had saved, there is no doubt of his collaboration and therefore his guilt. Nor is there any doubt of Sgt. Troy Jenkins collaboration and therefore his guilt.
Mitigation of Sgt. Troy Jenkins' guilt? Possibly.
Heroism? Never.
That's impossible in a participant in a war crime.
No, Oskar Schindler was a nazi war criminal who possibly would have deserved mitigation in sentencing as a war criminal for his actions in saving some of the Jews who were the victims of his criminality.
I suggest you see the film "Judgment at Nuremberg" which treats this issue and is available on videotape. The film is the fictionalization of an actual case involving a prominent Weimar Republic jurist and judge who kept his post under the nazis. Like Schindler, his actions rescued some people from the nazis. But other collaborationist actions on his part resulted in the death of other innocents. While he was spared the gallows both for extraneous political reasons and because of the affidavits of people he had saved, there is no doubt of his collaboration and therefore his guilt. Nor is there any doubt of Sgt. Troy Jenkins collaboration and therefore his guilt.
Mitigation of Sgt. Troy Jenkins' guilt? Possibly.
Heroism? Never.
That's impossible in a participant in a war crime.
Spielberg tall tales and blatant lies aside, Schindler's own wife castigated him, saying his sole concern for saving a few Jews was to keep his little company going with slave labor, and more to the point have a steady supply of under age women for his out of control sexual appitite.
One thing we all learned in the service was not to believe anything that smacked of a morality play comming from official Army sources. Absolutely nothing!
Does anyone really believe the official story about the rescued POW?
One thing we all learned in the service was not to believe anything that smacked of a morality play comming from official Army sources. Absolutely nothing!
Does anyone really believe the official story about the rescued POW?
Schindlers own wife said so and such? Really cite a RELIABLE reference to this shit.
"The guy is an antichrist minion participating in an illegal war, although admittedly his actions should mitigate his guilt for participating in the genocide of the Iraqi people. "
Typical non-sensical bullshit. The war was not illegal OF COURSE. That buzzphrase betrays your ignorance. And there has been anyhting but Iraqi genocide. Where on earth do these utterly inane ideas come from. You are simply a moron. Die.
Typical non-sensical bullshit. The war was not illegal OF COURSE. That buzzphrase betrays your ignorance. And there has been anyhting but Iraqi genocide. Where on earth do these utterly inane ideas come from. You are simply a moron. Die.
"The war was not illegal OF COURSE."
Have you ever heard of international law?
Have you ever heard of international law?
"Have you ever heard of international law?"
I love how the French complain, that the US attack violated international law, yet our "good friends" the French were willing to step around international law when ever it suited THERE needs. Where was the UN resolution legitimizing the entry of French forces into the Ivory cost a few months ago?
"France has never fought an un-noble war" -Chirac
Vietnam and Algerian wars were "humanitarian missions, right Chirac, Mr. Peace, who was still testing nukes only a few years ago.
Every world power has innocent blood on its hands, however some a learned from their mistakes while others remain content to stick their heads in the snad and pretend "bad things" never happened.
No to American imperialism
Yes to French imperialism
Double standards forever!
I love how the French complain, that the US attack violated international law, yet our "good friends" the French were willing to step around international law when ever it suited THERE needs. Where was the UN resolution legitimizing the entry of French forces into the Ivory cost a few months ago?
"France has never fought an un-noble war" -Chirac
Vietnam and Algerian wars were "humanitarian missions, right Chirac, Mr. Peace, who was still testing nukes only a few years ago.
Every world power has innocent blood on its hands, however some a learned from their mistakes while others remain content to stick their heads in the snad and pretend "bad things" never happened.
No to American imperialism
Yes to French imperialism
Double standards forever!
Are we talking about the same “International Law” such as General Assembly Resolution 181 or General Assembly Resolution 1441? International law has been and always will be a joke.
"International law has been and always will be a joke."
Much like conservatives.
Much like conservatives.
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
If your argument that this man is not a hero ONLY because he is in the military and following orders over there, you are the epitome of an Anti-American. You have no business arguing on the subject of human rights, for you do not understand the value of them.
He saved a little girls life by almost certainly assuring his own death. I’m not sure what they call that on your planet, spaceman, but we call that being a hero in Alabama.
But then, I forgot….you guys only support the troops when they shoot their officers, right?
If your argument that this man is not a hero ONLY because he is in the military and following orders over there, you are the epitome of an Anti-American. You have no business arguing on the subject of human rights, for you do not understand the value of them.
He saved a little girls life by almost certainly assuring his own death. I’m not sure what they call that on your planet, spaceman, but we call that being a hero in Alabama.
But then, I forgot….you guys only support the troops when they shoot their officers, right?
The guy is a hero - he gave his life to protect Iraqi civilians and you goons can't even admit that.
What a bunch of asshatted clowns....
What a bunch of asshatted clowns....
"The guy is a hero - he gave his life to protect Iraqi civilians and you goons can't even admit that."
Isn't it funny how selective these "liberators" are? They save some people, yet gun others down. As far as the childish "goon" comment, just go to a pro-war rally and you'll see all of the "goons" you want.
"What a bunch of asshatted clowns...."
That is about the level of intelligent discourse I've come to expect from conservatives.
Isn't it funny how selective these "liberators" are? They save some people, yet gun others down. As far as the childish "goon" comment, just go to a pro-war rally and you'll see all of the "goons" you want.
"What a bunch of asshatted clowns...."
That is about the level of intelligent discourse I've come to expect from conservatives.
And what do you see at an anti-war rally? Gays, drug addicts, anti-God, anti-America, anti-authority punks!
"And what do you see at an anti-war rally? Gays, drug addicts, anti-God, anti-America, anti-authority punks!"
Way to go. Whenever we don't have a valid argument, we can always generalize. So, tell me, "me." Are ALL black people lazy? Are ALL Asian people smart? Feel free to take your foot out of your mouth anytime.
Way to go. Whenever we don't have a valid argument, we can always generalize. So, tell me, "me." Are ALL black people lazy? Are ALL Asian people smart? Feel free to take your foot out of your mouth anytime.
>The guy is a hero - he gave his life to protect Iraqi civilians and you goons can't even admit that.
>What a bunch of asshatted clowns....
Speaking of clowns, what's with the clown who thinks that "Sgt. Troy Jenkins of the Army's 101st Airborne Division lost his left leg and fingers on his right hand when the bomb exploded . . ." means that "he gave his life"?
Why is it that neo-conservative politics and blatant cognitive deficits seem to go hand in hand?
>What a bunch of asshatted clowns....
Speaking of clowns, what's with the clown who thinks that "Sgt. Troy Jenkins of the Army's 101st Airborne Division lost his left leg and fingers on his right hand when the bomb exploded . . ." means that "he gave his life"?
Why is it that neo-conservative politics and blatant cognitive deficits seem to go hand in hand?
"we call that being a hero in Alabama"
Really? Are those Alabama folks the same ones who thought that George Wallace yelling "Segregation Forever!" was heroism?
Really? Are those Alabama folks the same ones who thought that George Wallace yelling "Segregation Forever!" was heroism?
“Much like conservatives.”
And you can add liberals and their agendas too.
And you can add liberals and their agendas too.
You're right. It wasn't a joke that we conservatives thought the Iraqi people would greet our invading jarheads with flowers and kisses! When should we take our heads out of our asses, Isolationist?
Try picking up a history book a reading it, you twit.
If you actually take a look, Wallace reformed himself and eventually had ENDORSEMENTS FROM THE NAACP!
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
If you actually take a look, Wallace reformed himself and eventually had ENDORSEMENTS FROM THE NAACP!
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
1968: May 6: Wallace experiences his first defeat by incumbent John Patterson in the primary for Alabama's gubernatorial race. Patterson ran with the backing of the Ku Klux Klan. Wallace had spoken out against the KKK and refused its support, receiving the NAACP's endorsement. He lost the election by more than 64,000 votes. This defeat marked a turning point in his politics and campaign style.
Here's the link off of PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/wallace/timeline/index_2.html
Here's the link off of PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/wallace/timeline/index_2.html
Interesting Bush Admirer/Ronald Dumbsfeld you use the same type of argumentative tactic that a freeper would use when debating any issue.
But to answer your question, those who believe (conservative or liberal) it's the US responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world… The sooner you take your head out of your ass the better.
But to answer your question, those who believe (conservative or liberal) it's the US responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world… The sooner you take your head out of your ass the better.
"But to answer your question, those who believe (conservative or liberal) it's the US responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world..."
Well, why didn't the US "care" about the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam in 1991?
Well, why didn't the US "care" about the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam in 1991?
"Well, why didn't the US "care" about the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam in 1991?"
Why should we have? The US is not the world’s caretaker.
Why should we have? The US is not the world’s caretaker.
Oh, really? So just what is the war in Iraq REALLY about if we don't "care" about the people?
"Oh, really? So just what is the war in Iraq REALLY about if we don't "care" about the people?"
Ask someone who supports the war. I stick to my viewpoint that it’s not the US’s responsibility to be the caretaker of the world. I was against bombing Bosnia to stop “ethnic cleaning” and I’m against this war because there has been no substantial evidence proving that Iraq presented a danger to the US.
The difference between me and about 90% of the Conservatives and Liberals – I don’t change my principles simply because the guy I voted for is in office.
Ask someone who supports the war. I stick to my viewpoint that it’s not the US’s responsibility to be the caretaker of the world. I was against bombing Bosnia to stop “ethnic cleaning” and I’m against this war because there has been no substantial evidence proving that Iraq presented a danger to the US.
The difference between me and about 90% of the Conservatives and Liberals – I don’t change my principles simply because the guy I voted for is in office.
Wow. A conservative who's against the war. Amazing.
To do with being conservative or liberal, but believing in your principles before your political agenda. That’s why I laugh at people who attend these Pro-War and Anti-war protest. For the most part just 3-4 years ago during Bosnia Bombings the same people who are Pro-War were Anti-War and today’s Anti-War crowd was very Pro-War. Most of these people are fools for participating in these political motivated rallies thinking that they are morally motivated. How sad it must be to be a puppet on a string.
"Well, why didn't the US "care" about the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam in 1991?"
Oh yeah, I remember. That's the time we listened to the UN and world opinion and stopped our tanks after meeting the mission of 'saving' Kuwait.
Good example.
Oh yeah, I remember. That's the time we listened to the UN and world opinion and stopped our tanks after meeting the mission of 'saving' Kuwait.
Good example.
"That's the time we listened to the UN and world opinion and stopped our tanks after meeting the mission of 'saving' Kuwait."
It sure is odd that "we" choose to listen to the UN and world opinion when it is convenient for "us."
It sure is odd that "we" choose to listen to the UN and world opinion when it is convenient for "us."
Lots of conservatives are against the war, and some leftists are in favor. The only "conservatives" in favor of this war are the neo-cons, who are no more real conservatives than the neo-liberals are real liberals.
The big question for you then is does isolationism strengthen the US's position in the world. or does it make the US more vulnerable to emerging threats like nuclear nations that dont like us or terrorism or emergance of state enemies such as with germany in WW2.
Now that the killing of innocent Iraqi people has ceased, now that their country has been destroyed (all the better to rebuild, giving huge contracts to friends of the current administration in the US) we can look seriously at what a war crime this really was.
If you watched the bombing and killing on anything other than mainstream US television, you could easily see that this was a one-sided battle from the beginning. There were no weapons of mass destruction used by the villian the US wanted to remove (which is hysterical when one considers the US put him there in the first place and gave him the WMD)
That is, of course, if you consider that US bombs, missiles, cluster bombs are not WMD? Tell that to the people of Iraq.
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If you watched the bombing and killing on anything other than mainstream US television, you could easily see that this was a one-sided battle from the beginning. There were no weapons of mass destruction used by the villian the US wanted to remove (which is hysterical when one considers the US put him there in the first place and gave him the WMD)
That is, of course, if you consider that US bombs, missiles, cluster bombs are not WMD? Tell that to the people of Iraq.
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My point is not actually about Wallace. It is about the reliability of Alabamans in making their hero selections.
Your post about George "Segregation Forever" Wallace LOSING in a primary election to a KKK member certainly doesn't change my view that Alabamans are not a reliable source for telling the rest of us who our heroes should be!
As for the NAACP endorsement, under the circumstances of a campaign against a Klansman and considering the prevailing "lesser of two evils" philosophy that "endorsement" proves nothing. Republicans and Democrats in Louisiana together united to keep some nazi from becoming governor a few years ago (possibly David Duke?). It wouldn't surprise me that the NAACP would "endorse" Wallace as an alternative to an even worse lunatic.
Your post about George "Segregation Forever" Wallace LOSING in a primary election to a KKK member certainly doesn't change my view that Alabamans are not a reliable source for telling the rest of us who our heroes should be!
As for the NAACP endorsement, under the circumstances of a campaign against a Klansman and considering the prevailing "lesser of two evils" philosophy that "endorsement" proves nothing. Republicans and Democrats in Louisiana together united to keep some nazi from becoming governor a few years ago (possibly David Duke?). It wouldn't surprise me that the NAACP would "endorse" Wallace as an alternative to an even worse lunatic.
disgusted,
\A fair war is a war in which many hundreds of thousands die in battle and maybe millions die from related causes. take the Iran Iraq war which draged on for decades because it was so even - and thenresulted in the use of gas as a weapon as well as attacking subsections of society in a desperate bid to gain some small advantage.
The US could have arranged a war like that I guess. Maybe we will do it next time to make it fair....
Just like in a dog pack there is only fighting when one dog "thinks" it can beat a "dog" who is above it (or acts like it thinks that).
\A fair war is a war in which many hundreds of thousands die in battle and maybe millions die from related causes. take the Iran Iraq war which draged on for decades because it was so even - and thenresulted in the use of gas as a weapon as well as attacking subsections of society in a desperate bid to gain some small advantage.
The US could have arranged a war like that I guess. Maybe we will do it next time to make it fair....
Just like in a dog pack there is only fighting when one dog "thinks" it can beat a "dog" who is above it (or acts like it thinks that).
One: If you're the kind of person that can rationalize the mentality of an entire state of people, then you have the makings of exactly what Alabamians have been working hard to get rid of for half a century.
Apparantly, the ability to be judged by one's actions and not something you take into consideration.
Where someone lives, what color their skin is, what God they pray to, etc.etc, is obviously what you would care about.
Oh...and the last time I checked, the NAACP doesn't have to support ANYONE for ANYTHING. It's a choice they make, dipstick. You've failed at trying to rationalize you comments and not look like someone who is ignorant of the past.
Equally unfortunate to your prepensity for referencing the past incorrectly is your willingness to REWRITE history to suit you because the facts prove you wrong.
Sad. Very sad.
Apparantly, the ability to be judged by one's actions and not something you take into consideration.
Where someone lives, what color their skin is, what God they pray to, etc.etc, is obviously what you would care about.
Oh...and the last time I checked, the NAACP doesn't have to support ANYONE for ANYTHING. It's a choice they make, dipstick. You've failed at trying to rationalize you comments and not look like someone who is ignorant of the past.
Equally unfortunate to your prepensity for referencing the past incorrectly is your willingness to REWRITE history to suit you because the facts prove you wrong.
Sad. Very sad.
Here's a little more recent bit of History from right nearby you guys...SAN DIEGO!!
If being from Alabama disqualifies me from commenting on one brave man's heroism to you Californians, then you Californians are disqualified from commenting to me on racism.
Read on, my wayward son:
"Headed by Tom Metzger and his son John, WAR is run from Fallbrook, California, not far from San Diego. Tom Metzger's political career started when he rose to become head of the California KKK during the 1970's. In 1980 Mr. Metzger won the Democratic Primary in the largest congressional district in the United States (openly as a Klansman) and gathered 75,000 votes for the United States Senate in 1982."
So you're lecturing me on racist history? Right.....
Understand this, dipstick: Racism exists in all States, in all countries, and in ALL RACES. If you think you can split hairs with me on racial issues, you're going to lose. I've heard it all for way too long. Alabama's been under the microscope for darn near half a century on racial issues and I've dealt with racist taunts, comments, snickers, and jokes for most of my life.
Try looking in your own back yard before you start getting critical of mine.
If being from Alabama disqualifies me from commenting on one brave man's heroism to you Californians, then you Californians are disqualified from commenting to me on racism.
Read on, my wayward son:
"Headed by Tom Metzger and his son John, WAR is run from Fallbrook, California, not far from San Diego. Tom Metzger's political career started when he rose to become head of the California KKK during the 1970's. In 1980 Mr. Metzger won the Democratic Primary in the largest congressional district in the United States (openly as a Klansman) and gathered 75,000 votes for the United States Senate in 1982."
So you're lecturing me on racist history? Right.....
Understand this, dipstick: Racism exists in all States, in all countries, and in ALL RACES. If you think you can split hairs with me on racial issues, you're going to lose. I've heard it all for way too long. Alabama's been under the microscope for darn near half a century on racial issues and I've dealt with racist taunts, comments, snickers, and jokes for most of my life.
Try looking in your own back yard before you start getting critical of mine.
“The big question for you then is does isolationism strengthen the US's position in the world. or does it make the US more vulnerable to emerging threats like nuclear nations that dont like us or terrorism or emergance of state enemies such as with germany in WW2.”
No the real question is When and Why is it US’s responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world? That the real question. The US can still be a powerful nation without us interfering in other nations affairs.
No the real question is When and Why is it US’s responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world? That the real question. The US can still be a powerful nation without us interfering in other nations affairs.
Like the way we interfered in the affairs of Europe in WWII?
Or when we interfered in Yugoslavia's internal affairs in the 1990s?
Or when the US national guard interfered with the southern states' internal education and election affairs during the civil rights movement?
Or the way Rachel Corrie interfered with another country's internal affairs?
Isolationism is the antithesis of activism. You cannot be both.
Or when we interfered in Yugoslavia's internal affairs in the 1990s?
Or when the US national guard interfered with the southern states' internal education and election affairs during the civil rights movement?
Or the way Rachel Corrie interfered with another country's internal affairs?
Isolationism is the antithesis of activism. You cannot be both.
“Like the way we interfered in the affairs of Europe in WWII?“
Nice trick question, but I don’t think you realize that it is a trick question. It all depends upon when you mean interfered in Europe, prior to or after December 7, 1941.
“Or when we interfered in Yugoslavia's internal affairs in the 1990s?”
No we should not have interfered with Yugoslavia. I don’t differ this from the current war in Iraq, or Vietnam, or the Korean War. Those were internal affairs that had no barring on US security.
“Or when the US national guard interfered with the southern states' internal education and election affairs during the civil rights movement?“
Last I checked the southern states were part of the US during the civil rights movement making it an internal affair.
“Or the way Rachel Corrie interfered with another country's internal affairs?”
Rachel Corrie made a personal choice. Last I checked Rachel Corrie did not determine US policy.
But I noticed you avoided the question I raised to Scottie. And as I mentioned before, I don’t change my principles simply because someone I like is in office. And judging by your line of questioning, sounds like you fall in that 90% population that simply follows what your political leader tells you to do.
Nice trick question, but I don’t think you realize that it is a trick question. It all depends upon when you mean interfered in Europe, prior to or after December 7, 1941.
“Or when we interfered in Yugoslavia's internal affairs in the 1990s?”
No we should not have interfered with Yugoslavia. I don’t differ this from the current war in Iraq, or Vietnam, or the Korean War. Those were internal affairs that had no barring on US security.
“Or when the US national guard interfered with the southern states' internal education and election affairs during the civil rights movement?“
Last I checked the southern states were part of the US during the civil rights movement making it an internal affair.
“Or the way Rachel Corrie interfered with another country's internal affairs?”
Rachel Corrie made a personal choice. Last I checked Rachel Corrie did not determine US policy.
But I noticed you avoided the question I raised to Scottie. And as I mentioned before, I don’t change my principles simply because someone I like is in office. And judging by your line of questioning, sounds like you fall in that 90% population that simply follows what your political leader tells you to do.
You avoid the question of When and Why is it US’s responsibility to take care of/police/provide for the world?
As to oppression, sounds like you would support sending our military to several different parts of the world to liberate their citizens. Would you be willing to send US Soldiers and stake their lives in countries such as China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Laos, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and/or Somalia in an effort to liberate their citizens?
And what role do the citizens of those countries play in liberating themselves? The same roles as the Iraqis did when we gave our blood and money to give Saddam the boot and they watched from the sidelines? Thanks for getting rid of Saddam for us, now get out so we can set-up a “liberated” government similar to Iran and Syria.
As to oppression, sounds like you would support sending our military to several different parts of the world to liberate their citizens. Would you be willing to send US Soldiers and stake their lives in countries such as China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Laos, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and/or Somalia in an effort to liberate their citizens?
And what role do the citizens of those countries play in liberating themselves? The same roles as the Iraqis did when we gave our blood and money to give Saddam the boot and they watched from the sidelines? Thanks for getting rid of Saddam for us, now get out so we can set-up a “liberated” government similar to Iran and Syria.
My brother is Sgt Troy Jenkins.He gave his life to save others.This case is one of a kind it involves my family and other families.I feel that my brother and i demand that my brother be given the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR.I am asking all of the Mobile Registers readers to call and write to any public,state
and federal politicians and help make this happen for my family
and federal politicians and help make this happen for my family
So you "demand" that your brother be given the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR.
Here are more worthy potential recipients:
Ali Ismail Abbas
http://www.timesofoman.com/images/newsimages/07-04-03-ali.jpg
and
Kim Phuc
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U11912164
So go take your "demand" and stick it up your ass.
Here are more worthy potential recipients:
Ali Ismail Abbas
http://www.timesofoman.com/images/newsimages/07-04-03-ali.jpg
and
Kim Phuc
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U11912164
So go take your "demand" and stick it up your ass.
None of you really knew Troy. If you knew him, you would know that he really is a hero. He was a hero before he ever went to the war. I don't agree with war, I believe it is wrong, but Troy went because he wanted to go. Not because he wanted to kill people but because he wanted to help liberate people. I think "hero" can't be defined as a single act. His death surely got everyone's attention and caused him to be labeled "hero" but Troy has always been a hero and everyone in there right mind should be proud of him. Condolences to the family. Troy will be very very missed.
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