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US Troops Open Fire on Iraq Protestors - Kill 10
Sydney Morning Herald, Agence France Presse and Arab news sources all reporting 10 anti-US protestors shot dead by US troops in Mosul, Iraq. London Guardian says 12 dead, 60 wounded, but US troops "trying to restore order." Anti-US protests all over Iraq.
US TROOPS ACCUSED OF CARNAGE
Sydney Morning Herald - April 16 2003 (in Australia)
United States troops opened fire on a crowd hostile to the new pro-American governor in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul yesterday, killing at least 10 people and injuring as many as 100, witnesses and doctors said.
The shooting overshadowed the start of US-brokered talks aimed at sketching out a post-Saddam Iraq.
At Mosul hospital Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani said the American soldiers had fired into a crowd that was becoming increasingly hostile towards governor Mashaan al-Juburi as he was making a pro-US speech in the city.
But a US miltary spokesman said the troops had come under fire from at least two gunmen and fired back, but did not aim at the crowd.
"There are perhaps 100 wounded and 10 to 12 dead," Dr al-Ramadhani said as angry relatives of the dead and wounded voiced hatred of Americans and Westerners.
One witness, Marwan Mohammed, 50, said: "We were at the market place near the government building, where Juburi was making a speech. He said everything would be restored, water, electricity, and that democracy was the Americans.
"As for the Americans, they were going through the crowd with their flag. They placed themselves between the civilians and the building. The people moved toward the government building, the children threw stones, the Americans started firing. Then they prevented the people from recovering the bodies."
A doctor, Said Altah, said: "Juburi said the people must co-operate with the United States. The crowd called him a liar, and tempers rose as he continued to talk. They threw objects at him, overturned his car, which exploded. The wounded said Juburi asked the Americans to fire."
Ayad Hassun said the trouble broke out after the crowd interrupted Mr Juburi's speech with cries of, "There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his prophet."
"You are with Saddam's fedayeen," retorted Mr Juburi, to which the crowd chanted that, "The only democracy is to make the Americans leave."
He said 20 US soldiers escorted Mr Juburi back into the building. "They climbed on top of the building and first fired at a building near the crowd, with the glass falling on the civilians. People started to throw stones, then the Americans fired at them."
But the US spokesman said: "There were protesters outside, 100 to 150, there was fire, we returned fire. We didn't fire at the crowd, but at the top of the building. There were at least two gunmen. I don't know if they were killed. The firing was not intensive but sporadic, and lasted up to two minutes."
At the US-sponsored talks near the southern city of Nasiriyah, crowds earlier denounced the US presence in Iraq.
Thousands protested that they did not need US help now Saddam Hussein had gone. "No to America. No to Saddam," chanted Iraqis from the Shia Muslim majority oppressed by Saddam. Arabic television networks said up to 20,000 people marched.
In Baghdad, meanwhile, hundreds of people chanting "our blood and our soul we give to Iraq" gathered outside the Palestine Hotel in protest against the US presence. The hotel now houses US military and reporters.
Australia came in for criticism at the Nasiriyah conference when one delegate, Sheik Sayed Jamaluddin, hit out at the detention of Iraqi asylum seekers.
After thanking the US and Britain for liberating Iraqis from Saddam, the Shiite cleric said: "I call on the representatives of the Australian Government to ask the Government to accept the human rights of those Iraqis who are held prisoner in some capacity in Iraq [viz] that they might be treated in a humane fashion."
The talks ended on yesterday with an agreement to meet again in 10 days. Jay Garner, the former US general leading the effort to rebuild Iraq, opened the conference, saying: "A free and democratic Iraq will begin today."
Agencies
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/16/1050172608832.html
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CHAOS MARS TALKS ON IRAQI SELF-RULE
Shia group boycotts meeting · 12 die in riots in Mosul · Delegates agree to meet again
The Guardian - Wednesday April 16, 2003
Rory McCarthy in Qatar and Ewen MacAskill in Nassiriya
[Reports 12 dead, 60 wounded in Mosul, but says it was a “riot” with US troops “trying to restore order.” Reports huge Shia demonstration in Nassiriya, Shia unrest in Basra and Kut, and hundreds in demonstrations in Baghdad “against the continued descent into lawlessness” (although BBC has photos of the handwritten protest signs in Baghdad which say, “Bush = Saddam,” and “We didn’t need liberty of rockets, tanks, bombs - Yanks out”)]
BBC protest photos at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2950857.stm
Also see: Agence France Presse at - http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=3092&lang=en
Sydney Morning Herald - April 16 2003 (in Australia)
United States troops opened fire on a crowd hostile to the new pro-American governor in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul yesterday, killing at least 10 people and injuring as many as 100, witnesses and doctors said.
The shooting overshadowed the start of US-brokered talks aimed at sketching out a post-Saddam Iraq.
At Mosul hospital Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani said the American soldiers had fired into a crowd that was becoming increasingly hostile towards governor Mashaan al-Juburi as he was making a pro-US speech in the city.
But a US miltary spokesman said the troops had come under fire from at least two gunmen and fired back, but did not aim at the crowd.
"There are perhaps 100 wounded and 10 to 12 dead," Dr al-Ramadhani said as angry relatives of the dead and wounded voiced hatred of Americans and Westerners.
One witness, Marwan Mohammed, 50, said: "We were at the market place near the government building, where Juburi was making a speech. He said everything would be restored, water, electricity, and that democracy was the Americans.
"As for the Americans, they were going through the crowd with their flag. They placed themselves between the civilians and the building. The people moved toward the government building, the children threw stones, the Americans started firing. Then they prevented the people from recovering the bodies."
A doctor, Said Altah, said: "Juburi said the people must co-operate with the United States. The crowd called him a liar, and tempers rose as he continued to talk. They threw objects at him, overturned his car, which exploded. The wounded said Juburi asked the Americans to fire."
Ayad Hassun said the trouble broke out after the crowd interrupted Mr Juburi's speech with cries of, "There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his prophet."
"You are with Saddam's fedayeen," retorted Mr Juburi, to which the crowd chanted that, "The only democracy is to make the Americans leave."
He said 20 US soldiers escorted Mr Juburi back into the building. "They climbed on top of the building and first fired at a building near the crowd, with the glass falling on the civilians. People started to throw stones, then the Americans fired at them."
But the US spokesman said: "There were protesters outside, 100 to 150, there was fire, we returned fire. We didn't fire at the crowd, but at the top of the building. There were at least two gunmen. I don't know if they were killed. The firing was not intensive but sporadic, and lasted up to two minutes."
At the US-sponsored talks near the southern city of Nasiriyah, crowds earlier denounced the US presence in Iraq.
Thousands protested that they did not need US help now Saddam Hussein had gone. "No to America. No to Saddam," chanted Iraqis from the Shia Muslim majority oppressed by Saddam. Arabic television networks said up to 20,000 people marched.
In Baghdad, meanwhile, hundreds of people chanting "our blood and our soul we give to Iraq" gathered outside the Palestine Hotel in protest against the US presence. The hotel now houses US military and reporters.
Australia came in for criticism at the Nasiriyah conference when one delegate, Sheik Sayed Jamaluddin, hit out at the detention of Iraqi asylum seekers.
After thanking the US and Britain for liberating Iraqis from Saddam, the Shiite cleric said: "I call on the representatives of the Australian Government to ask the Government to accept the human rights of those Iraqis who are held prisoner in some capacity in Iraq [viz] that they might be treated in a humane fashion."
The talks ended on yesterday with an agreement to meet again in 10 days. Jay Garner, the former US general leading the effort to rebuild Iraq, opened the conference, saying: "A free and democratic Iraq will begin today."
Agencies
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/16/1050172608832.html
____________
CHAOS MARS TALKS ON IRAQI SELF-RULE
Shia group boycotts meeting · 12 die in riots in Mosul · Delegates agree to meet again
The Guardian - Wednesday April 16, 2003
Rory McCarthy in Qatar and Ewen MacAskill in Nassiriya
[Reports 12 dead, 60 wounded in Mosul, but says it was a “riot” with US troops “trying to restore order.” Reports huge Shia demonstration in Nassiriya, Shia unrest in Basra and Kut, and hundreds in demonstrations in Baghdad “against the continued descent into lawlessness” (although BBC has photos of the handwritten protest signs in Baghdad which say, “Bush = Saddam,” and “We didn’t need liberty of rockets, tanks, bombs - Yanks out”)]
BBC protest photos at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2950857.stm
Also see: Agence France Presse at - http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=3092&lang=en
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huh. Once again, reported rock throwing civilians met with highly escalated force. Guess they took a page out of OPD's book, only they're actually allowed to get away with murder in Iraq.
this is so fucked up!!!!!!
common sense tells you that the iraqis HATE the occupying army
and yet the News Media tells us that they love it
if they love it how come 20,000 protest the US and 100 tear down the statute? who were those people who tore down the statute? fucking actors for the CIA?
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!!!!!! WE HAVE TO FUCKING STOP OUR GOVERNMENT
common sense tells you that the iraqis HATE the occupying army
and yet the News Media tells us that they love it
if they love it how come 20,000 protest the US and 100 tear down the statute? who were those people who tore down the statute? fucking actors for the CIA?
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!!!!!! WE HAVE TO FUCKING STOP OUR GOVERNMENT
> huh. Once again, reported rock throwing civilians met with highly escalated force. Guess they took a page out of OPD's book,
Correct comparison would be to the Occupied Territories and the IDF. If you are referring to the recent protest on the Oakland docks, the protestors DID NOT throw any rocks. That was a blatant lie by the police, who should be sued for slander.
Correct comparison would be to the Occupied Territories and the IDF. If you are referring to the recent protest on the Oakland docks, the protestors DID NOT throw any rocks. That was a blatant lie by the police, who should be sued for slander.
I think the point is "rock throwing" not necessarily envolving actual rocks. There is always some sort of excuse for the police to attack a crowd. Usually it is true that they can find one person, maybe someone who is drunk or something who is an individual but they say represents the whole crowd by their actions which may have included rock throwing. In my experience I have not seen anything thrown except in 3 isolated cases and always this was after the police were already attacking a crowd. It was the police start beating people then it gets kind of crazy and a few people throw their drink paper cup or the sign they were holding at police who are in full riot gear and it just bounces off them. In one case in Quebec City at the FTAA I saw people actually throwing rocks but then the cops were shooting with rubbber bullets the whole area was in constant tear gas and the only damage the rocks did to the police was top prevent them from advancing, they held their line and the riot sheild deflected everything and they couldn't advance for a long time because they didn't want to be exposed to the rocks. anyway it is not about actual rocks. In quebec an old lady crossing the street to here home who was not a protestor was shot in the back with a huge platic projectile which broke her ribs. The police always have an excuse. And in Iraq they just use live ammunition and say it is war.
For more information:
http://www.bikesexual.org
So if a crowd throws rocks and bottles it's okay to open fire on them with live ammunition? What a vile bunch of racist crap! You have no respect for human life.
It seems I might have been misunderstood. What I meant by "reported rock-throwing" was something like "supposedly rock-throwing". I too do not believe that rocks were thrown at the Oakland protest. In any case, "throwing rocks" (whether it happened or not) leading to this kind of rapid escalation on the part of the police is just unconscionable. I live in Oakland and I've called my council member and gone to meetings. It's a big issue to me.
You are right, a, that the comparison to the Occupied Territories, where kids really do get shot and killed for throwing rocks, is more valid. Let's hope it doesn't get that bad in Iraq. Or here.
You are right, a, that the comparison to the Occupied Territories, where kids really do get shot and killed for throwing rocks, is more valid. Let's hope it doesn't get that bad in Iraq. Or here.
On the other end of Baghdad, there was 50,000 people protesting. Roughly 150,000 others protested in cities around the country. They are continuing
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