Anti-American Protests in Baghdad

ironic to hear a *US* marine saying something about 'performing' ...

For the first time, visibly angered US military officials sought to distance the media from the protest, moving reporters and cameras about 30 metres from the barbed-wired entrance to the hotel.

"We want you to pull back to the back of the hotel because they (the Iraqis) are only performing because the media are here," said a marines colonel who would not give his first name or title.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/15/1050172597223.html

It's not odd at all that an Iraqi has a framed picture of Dubbya. Certainly no AMERICAN OFFICIAL gave it to him. I must go watch Fox News now.

Let's see....

ON THE PRO-WAR SIDE:
- you got maybe 100 iraqis "celebrating" outside the journalists hotel, also maybe they were paid for by the US military-media machine
- you got handfuls of creepy bush supporters/bootlickers here and there

ON THE ANTI-WAR SIDE:
- millions and millions in almost every country on earth, even antarctica, protesting the war
- 20,000 in southern iraq today
- protest in baghdad today
- city of san francisco shut down

gee, i wonder which is more
hahaha
patriots are so fucking stupid it makes me sick. why are they entitled to air that could be used by more intelligent creatures, like bacterium?

10 killed in Mosul as US troops open fire

At least 10 people were shot dead and scores of others wounded when US forces opened fire on a crowd that had gathered to listen to a US-appointed local governor in the northern Iraqi town of Mosul on Tuesday.

According to eye-witnesses, US marines fired when the crowd noisily interrupted the governor’s speech, which they thought was pro-US. US military sources however said that its troops had come under fire and they had only fired back in response.

Doctors at the city hospital said that many were injured in the firing. “There are perhaps 100 wounded besides the 10 or 12 dead,” said Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani of the city hospital.

Eye-witnesses said that the US troops had opened fire after the crowd that had gathered to listen to the governor, Mashaan al-Juburi in front of his office in one of the city square’s turned hostile to him in the middle of his pro-US speech.

Doctors at the city hospital recounted being told by wounded patients that the new governor was exhorting people to cooperate with the US when chaos broke out. The crowd called him a liar and insisted that he end his speech. When he continued with his speech, the angry crowd pelted stones and menacingly approached him.

Many among the wounded alleged that the besieged governor had asked the US troops to open fire. The corridors of the Mosul city hospital was crowded with relatives of the dead and wounded and anti-US sentiments were high.

According to Ayad Hassun, another witness, trouble erupted when the crowed interrupted the governor in his speech with cries of “There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet.”

Enraged by the interruption, the governor is said to have shouted back, accusing the crowd to be “members of Saddam’s Fedayeen.” Hell broke loose instantly even as the governor was escorted by some US soldiers back to his office building. Eye-witnesses said that the US soldiers climbed a building and then started firing on the crowd.

The US military however denied that its troops had opened fire suo-motto. “We came under fire from an opposite building and our troops responded,” said a US military spokesman. He could not however say whether the gunmen, who allegedly had been firing upon the soldiers, had been killed. --- Al Jazeera

10 killed in Mosul as US troops open fire

At least 10 people were shot dead and scores of others wounded when US forces opened fire on a crowd that had gathered to listen to a US-appointed local governor in the northern Iraqi town of Mosul on Tuesday.

According to eye-witnesses, US marines fired when the crowd noisily interrupted the governor’s speech, which they thought was pro-US. US military sources however said that its troops had come under fire and they had only fired back in response.

Doctors at the city hospital said that many were injured in the firing. “There are perhaps 100 wounded besides the 10 or 12 dead,” said Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani of the city hospital.

Eye-witnesses said that the US troops had opened fire after the crowd that had gathered to listen to the governor, Mashaan al-Juburi in front of his office in one of the city square’s turned hostile to him in the middle of his pro-US speech.

Doctors at the city hospital recounted being told by wounded patients that the new governor was exhorting people to cooperate with the US when chaos broke out. The crowd called him a liar and insisted that he end his speech. When he continued with his speech, the angry crowd pelted stones and menacingly approached him.

Many among the wounded alleged that the besieged governor had asked the US troops to open fire. The corridors of the Mosul city hospital was crowded with relatives of the dead and wounded and anti-US sentiments were high.

According to Ayad Hassun, another witness, trouble erupted when the crowed interrupted the governor in his speech with cries of “There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet.”

Enraged by the interruption, the governor is said to have shouted back, accusing the crowd to be “members of Saddam’s Fedayeen.” Hell broke loose instantly even as the governor was escorted by some US soldiers back to his office building. Eye-witnesses said that the US soldiers climbed a building and then started firing on the crowd.

The US military however denied that its troops had opened fire suo-motto. “We came under fire from an opposite building and our troops responded,” said a US military spokesman. He could not however say whether the gunmen, who allegedly had been firing upon the soldiers, had been killed. --- Al Jazeera

I agree with your points but not your language. I consider myself a patriot, which is why I worry immensely about the direction this country is taking and want to take action to make this a better country. Don't let the warmongers and doped up masses continue to steal the word "patriot". If you do, they've won well over half the battle.

is that the iraqis should throw out the americans

The original poster is ignorant. Its hard to say what is going through average Iraqi minds right now. Clearly the Kurds who make up about 20% of the Iraqi population are currently pro-US (that could change if the US sells them out to Turkey).

People in Iraq are probably happy as fuck to get rid of Saddam. They are also probably lukewarm to the US. Whatever happens next it will probably be bad.

you think the kurdish people love the USA? give me a break! the US oppresses the kurds for turkey. they stabbed us in the back during the first gulf war

if you think kurds like the USA you are fucked in the head

People either hate the USA for doing somthing or for not doing somthing.

for example they dont stop turkey opressing the kurds and so kurds have a reason to hate them... but turks still dont like the USA. Every time the US does anything it makes 1 enemy and just avoids make another enemy.

It is a hard life being the Hegemon nowadays.

"they [the USA] dont stop turkey opressing the kurds "

The USA gives Turkey weapons to kill Kurds with, just like the USA gives Israel weapons to kill Palestinians with.

Sorry, I'm ignorant of the real truth. I'm a loyal viewer of Fox News.

Uh-- if you haven't noticed the Iraqi Kurdish political parties are fighting on the side of the US. This isn't even disputable. No doubt the US will sell them out to Turkey. If you can provide any links that you think are helpful in understanding the Kurdish situation please post them. And if you have any comments about Kurdish nationalism, I'd like to hear them.

Patriotism is the last hiding place of the scoundal (I think that's pretty close to a quote...from someone).
Patriotism is love for or devotion to one's country. Nations are perpetuated by the blood of their workers. There will never be a just country, and there will never be a State worthy of my love... or anyone's. Only when we eliminate all nations will anyone ever be free.
so much for my rant....now to other things.

Didn't we see this coming? Is there anyone who doesn't see this just getting worse?

By the way, is there any kind of Anarchist/socialist (true socialist, not Islamic Socialist) underground at all in the Arab world? Are there any left libertarians, or have they all been killed off? The only anti-state movement I've heard about is radical Islam from the corperate and semi-corperate (PBS) media, is there anything not being reported as far as this goes?
What is the direction of Kurdish nationalism? is there Kurdish anti-nationalism (anarchism)? What kind of government did the Kurds have before America decided it wasn't good enough and what direction did it go in?
What information can you give us Kurdish-American that might be interesting/useful? Thanx for posting, btw...

http://www.samueljohnson.com/patrioti.html

Let the Civil Wars Begin!!!

Remember you can't win a Guerilla war.

Fuck America. Fuck Israel. Fuck Germany. Fuck Turkey. Fuck nationalism..

Down with every nationalist country and their repressive governments. The people can live on Earth without the wasteful restrictions of national boundaries. The Immigration and Naturalization Service is another arm of the fascist American government attempting to control the population. The border fences between USA and Mexico have an adverse effect on the wildlife of the Sonoran desert, migratory species are unable to access needed water and habitat. The Sonoran desert does not end at the border..

The people of the world are being isolated by nationalism, the allegiance to a plastic flag fallacy and their puppet governments that enable the capitalist elite to continue raping Mother Earth and all her life..

Yeah boarders suck. They are just artificial inefficiencies. And ideology is a better allegance than nationalism.

problem is how to get rid of them ... in the old days there was conquest.. now there is the EU method.. but that seems to leave your greater country tied up in knots.

the following are links that might be of interest to "fuck patriotism".

About class struggle in Iraq: by way of an introduction
http://www.geocities.com/icgcikg...1_iraq.htm

Worker's Party of Iraq
http://www.wpiraq.org/

Worker's Party of Iran
http://www.wpiran.org/

Dear Mr. Fucker. Next time before you say Fuck germany, you should take a look at the massive demo action took place in Berlin on 15F, 15M and much more in Berlin. 600.000 counted. THATS MORE THAN in your fuckin capital, you jerk. I was there in Heidelberg, every Monday, in front of the fuckin damn NATO headquaters, night for night, protesting against the occupation of YOUR government in MY country. Please note the cynism, i have no national interests, i am human and thats all i'll ever be. And thats why since 1M till today in front of the us. ambassy people from around the world, greenpeace and veterans against war and many more protests 24/7 against the illegal wars the us government fight in the world. So we want the same, but don't , please don't never ever say the word nationalism in the same sentence with the word germany, unless YOU EXACTLY KNOW what you are speaking about. In germany we don't have nationalism problems like you got. Hitler is dead my friend, WAKE UP ! The so called Neo-Nazis as lunatic fringe represents a very small percentage of our population. And every time they show up (national demos), believe me there are ALWAYS at least 4 times more Anti-Nazi demonstrants at a ANTI-NATIONALIST RALLY.

pace from good ol europe,

gat

I have to just say a quick thank you in recognition of you being out in the streets. We need to show solidarity with each other despite whatever our governments do to pit us against each other and weaken the movement. Every action that has been done in that way has made the revolution against imperialism in the whole world a bit closer....

dear "fuck patriotism" and all,

"Anachist/socialist" is a contradiction in terms.

a "true socialist" is someone who believes there must be a working-class state to repress the class aspirations of the bourgeois and the petty bourgeois; and who sets about creating such a state. if you are an anachist, you are oppossed to all states. therefore, you are opposed to true socialism.

often, when anarchists are confronted with the complacency and idealism of their political beliefs, they employ contradictory terms like "anarchist/socialist" to ride the fence. but the reality is you have to choose which of those you are.

also, often white leftists in particular are opposed to "nationalism." this is because we white people have no legitimate claim to the land we are standing on. this contradiction is/will be sharpened by a nationalist movement of raza/indigenous people, struggling to set the terms for what happens on their land. in general, white people, even if they have contradictions with the white ruling class, do not want their right to the land of the americas challenged. thus they will attack any nationalism, even if it is legitimate, anti-colonial nationalism.

lets be clear: if you hate "nationalism" in general, you hate the zapatistas, the sandanistas, the anti-colonial movements rising in the phillipines. you hate hamas and of course, you hate the black power movement of the 60's and the american indian movement -- to name a few legitimate nationalist struggles.

I agree mathew, to some extent.

George Orwell, Notes of Nationalism

", there is a habit of mind which is now so widespread that it affects our thinking on nearly every subject, but which has not yet been given a name. As the nearest existing equivalent I have chosen the word "nationalism", but it will be seen in a moment that I am not using it in quite the ordinary sense, if only because the emotion I am speaking about does not always attach itself to what is called a nation -- that is, a single race or a geographical area. It can attach itself to a church or a class, or it may work in a merely negative sense, against something or other and without the need for any positive object of loyalty.

By "nationalism" I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled "good" or "bad." But secondly -- and this is much more important -- I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By "patriotism" I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseperable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.
So long as it is applied merely to the more notorious and identifiable nationalist movements in Germany, Japan, and other countries, all this is obvious enough. Confronted with a phenomenon like Nazism, which we can observe from the outside, nearly all of us would say much the same things about it. But here I must repeat what I said above, that I am only using the word "nationalism" for lack of a better. Nationalism, in the extended sense in which I am using the word, includes such movments and tendencies as Communism, political Catholocism, Zionism, Antisemitism, Trotskyism and Pacifism. It does not necessarily mean loyalty to a government or a country, still less to one's own country, and it is not even strictly necessary that the units in which it deals should actually exist. To name a few obvious examples, Jewry, Islam, Christendom, the Proletariat and the White Race are all of them objects of passionate nationalistic feeling: but their existence can be seriously questioned, and there is no definition of any one of them that would be universally accepted."