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More Tree-Sitters Evicted in Freshwater
Two more sitters evicted in Freshwater, another ancient redwood cut.
Tree-sitter evictors hired by Maxxam/Pacific Lumber made another appearance in Freshwater on Thursday, April 10, increasing the amount of violence they have been using against non-violent protesters. Three climbers went up the ancient redwood called Allah to evict the tree-sitter who was locked down 160 up and out on a branch. A second forest activist climbed up after Maxxam’s thugs were already in the canopy to help defend the tree. The two tree-sitters were repeatedly kicked, as well as one of them being left dangerously hanging upside down from thin rope that had been tied around his leg. The other, after having prussic cord tied around his ankles, was forced to endure one of the goons repeatedly stomping on the rope, cutting off the tree-sitters circulation.
After the sitters were evicted and arrested, the ancient redwood, which measured about 13 feet in diameter at the base, was cut. Most of the tree shattered, proving once again that Maxxam/PL is not motivated just by greed, but also by the need to destroy these watersheds once and for all. As Freshwater Watershed faces permanent damage due to Maxxam’s liquidation logging practices, the corporation continues to cut no matter what, even if the tree is worth little or nothing timber-wise. It is doubtful that the money to be made from felling this ancient tree, which offered habitat and intact hillsides in this devastated watershed, will equal the money spent to pay off the thugs used to evict the tree-sitters, nearly killing them in the process.
No cops were on the scene until a witness called 911, and even then it took a half hour for just one sheriffs deputy, officer Bolton, to arrive. This follows the pattern seen in Freshwater since the current tree-sits went up in March of 2002 – if PL says jump, the cops, especially the sheriffs deputies, get out their pogo sticks. If a tree-sitter calls for help (or in this case, an observer), they get around to responding in their own sweet time, if they do at all.
Allah sat just 400 feet from Jerry, the ancient redwood where Remedy lived for a year before being forcibly removed. This Timber Harvest Plan calls for 138 acres of clear-cuts. It is in Cloney Gulch, where Maxxam nearly wiped out the coho salmon population during their war on Freshwater during the 1990’s.
After the sitters were evicted and arrested, the ancient redwood, which measured about 13 feet in diameter at the base, was cut. Most of the tree shattered, proving once again that Maxxam/PL is not motivated just by greed, but also by the need to destroy these watersheds once and for all. As Freshwater Watershed faces permanent damage due to Maxxam’s liquidation logging practices, the corporation continues to cut no matter what, even if the tree is worth little or nothing timber-wise. It is doubtful that the money to be made from felling this ancient tree, which offered habitat and intact hillsides in this devastated watershed, will equal the money spent to pay off the thugs used to evict the tree-sitters, nearly killing them in the process.
No cops were on the scene until a witness called 911, and even then it took a half hour for just one sheriffs deputy, officer Bolton, to arrive. This follows the pattern seen in Freshwater since the current tree-sits went up in March of 2002 – if PL says jump, the cops, especially the sheriffs deputies, get out their pogo sticks. If a tree-sitter calls for help (or in this case, an observer), they get around to responding in their own sweet time, if they do at all.
Allah sat just 400 feet from Jerry, the ancient redwood where Remedy lived for a year before being forcibly removed. This Timber Harvest Plan calls for 138 acres of clear-cuts. It is in Cloney Gulch, where Maxxam nearly wiped out the coho salmon population during their war on Freshwater during the 1990’s.
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i feel sick with all this. what is happened to EVERSTINE - WRENS TREE?
Everlasting Life still stands, still has most of her branches, is still occupied and being defended, still holding up a steep hillside that Maxxam is determined to have slide down onto the residents below.
Everlasting Life is still standing, still has most of her branches, is still occupied and being defended, and still holding up the steep hillside that Maxxam is determined to have slide down onto the residents below.
I'm new at this, so please bear with me. I live in the Freshwater area and have to drive by these operations on a daily bases. I'm sick and tired of the transient type people in my neighborhood who claim to be there to save the trees. I hate to see the old growth redwoods cut along the road, but I will be glad to see them gone so the so called tree-sitters and their support groups will be leave my watershed. I believe in everyones right to protest, but do it in a way that does not up-set the property owners in the immediate area. I for one did not ask for your help and would like to know how many of the 495 other property owners in this watershed asked for you to represent them. Maybe they will be willing to come and clean up you mess after you are gone. Some one has dug a pit and is dumping human feces on my property, along with leaving white plastic buckets with human feces in and gallon jugs of urine. I talked to one of these people and they thought it was PL's property. Never the less this should not be happening in my watershed. Why do you people dress and smell so bad ? You make it difficult to want to talk to you about you concerns when it looks like you haven't taken a bath in days and you have a strong body odor. So please if you want the local support , clean yourself up and do not leave your was in the woods. Thank-you
Could you please provide me with the THP # that "calls for 138 acres of clear cuts"? It's funny, but the THP where the sitters are trespassing in only has 99 acres of clear cut and 109 of overall harvest. Where is this other plan at and what is its number? If you cannot respond to this question, then it is clear you are unable to get your facts, and, therefore, your story straight. You are unbelievable.
Speaking of unbelievable, how about Gallegos, your hero, injuring himself while surfing on Fri. Wow! What a response! Sources claim the coast guard, the sheriff, the trinidad police dept. and an ambulance were deployed. It's good that he seems to be ok, but I wonder if the expense of his rescue will be extracted from his work-skipping, joy-riding pocket or mine. I guess we all have questions about how law enforcement and rescue's money is spent, don't we?
On another note, hey curt, I'm sure I've insulted you in our past dealings. It's nice to see you are still following this hogwash. Yeah, I'm inflammatory and hostile, because I have chosen to wield the same sword as the outspoken people on this site. Perhaps my other, more reasonable and logical personality is more readable?
Sorry, Indymedia don't like that. Toooooo threatening. They can only handle invective, so that's me for now.
Speaking of unbelievable, how about Gallegos, your hero, injuring himself while surfing on Fri. Wow! What a response! Sources claim the coast guard, the sheriff, the trinidad police dept. and an ambulance were deployed. It's good that he seems to be ok, but I wonder if the expense of his rescue will be extracted from his work-skipping, joy-riding pocket or mine. I guess we all have questions about how law enforcement and rescue's money is spent, don't we?
On another note, hey curt, I'm sure I've insulted you in our past dealings. It's nice to see you are still following this hogwash. Yeah, I'm inflammatory and hostile, because I have chosen to wield the same sword as the outspoken people on this site. Perhaps my other, more reasonable and logical personality is more readable?
Sorry, Indymedia don't like that. Toooooo threatening. They can only handle invective, so that's me for now.
One American citizen looks at the others, the ones defending his watershed and his (our) legacy of ancient redwoods, and asks, "Who are you?"
Don't they look familiar? Don't they sound familiar? They are Americans--the best and the bravest of us all.
Like the soldiers in Iraq, they don't get a chance to bathe often. Unlike the soldiers in Iraq, they are unwilling to cause environmental destruction and the loss of innocent life. The soldiers in Iraq are victims of government policy; the forest defenders have chosen not to be passive victims of our governmental policies.
Both our soldiers and our forest defenders are our beloved children.
Humboldt does not exist independently of the U.S. and the U.S. does not exist independently of the earth. You may live in Humboldt County, but we all share the same earthly resources, and we all depend for our existence on the forbearance, courage, hard work, and humanity of others.
All across our nation, we thank the forest defenders of Humboldt County for having the wisdom and courage to protect our resources, saving these irreplaceable treasures until all of us are wise enough to take them back from the corporations and take care of them ourselves.
Don't they look familiar? Don't they sound familiar? They are Americans--the best and the bravest of us all.
Like the soldiers in Iraq, they don't get a chance to bathe often. Unlike the soldiers in Iraq, they are unwilling to cause environmental destruction and the loss of innocent life. The soldiers in Iraq are victims of government policy; the forest defenders have chosen not to be passive victims of our governmental policies.
Both our soldiers and our forest defenders are our beloved children.
Humboldt does not exist independently of the U.S. and the U.S. does not exist independently of the earth. You may live in Humboldt County, but we all share the same earthly resources, and we all depend for our existence on the forbearance, courage, hard work, and humanity of others.
All across our nation, we thank the forest defenders of Humboldt County for having the wisdom and courage to protect our resources, saving these irreplaceable treasures until all of us are wise enough to take them back from the corporations and take care of them ourselves.
As we all do, I'm sure the soldiers would admire your comparisons.
Admire? Our soldiers are not in the same position you are to admire other points of view. Most of them are victims of economic indenture, being held under the most extreme threat of force to commit acts that go against everything they believe in regarding the sanctity of human life and the rights of civilians and conscripts not to be killed for or by their government. Activists, having decided to stand up to that threat of force, are freer to act in accordance with their own consciences. However, both soldiers and activists are fellow human beings in terrible risk, due to inhuman government policies, and I hold them all in my prayers.
Mmmm...you're dreaming. Military would simply cease to exist if free will were to be allowed to those who are its soldiers. As well, the concept of entering the military without economic pressure is a fantasy of the privileged. And no, they cannot leave if they choose. Never in history has any army allowed its soldiers to "leave if they choose," including ours, without serious repercussion, including threats to life and liberty.
I am sorry to hear your fantasy life for our soldiers precludes any sympathy for their situation. They are in an almost unbearable situation, and no, it doesn't include daily showers.
You can come up with a hundred rude names for our young people, but they are still human beings with the light of God in each one, whether they are in Iraq or Freshwater. And the world depends on the courage, stamina, and strength of our young people, just as it depends on the wisdom, experience and compassion of the old.
I am sorry to hear your fantasy life for our soldiers precludes any sympathy for their situation. They are in an almost unbearable situation, and no, it doesn't include daily showers.
You can come up with a hundred rude names for our young people, but they are still human beings with the light of God in each one, whether they are in Iraq or Freshwater. And the world depends on the courage, stamina, and strength of our young people, just as it depends on the wisdom, experience and compassion of the old.
Sure. You think you know, but I think only a vet can verify your position. Do you mind explaining this economic pressure thing? This I gotta hear.
Isn't it funny how it seems like you are talking to yourself, since my views are deleted?
Isn't it funny how it seems like you are talking to yourself, since my views are deleted?
Calling the tree-sitters "transient type people" is quoting Rich Bettis, PL's property manager. C'mon, try to come up with an original insult. PL points their finger, playing name calling games instead of addressing the real many issues before them, like the destruction of neighboring properties due to their unsustainable logging practices. It's sad to see Bettis, a self proclaimed third generation employee of Pacific Lumber, acting as a mouth piece for Maxxam, which will soon bankrupt PL and is responsible for hundreds of job losses, destruction of water quality, and the ruin of the many watersheds where Maxxam owns the land.
As for the Freshwater resident who wants the forest there to be destroyed so the tree-sitters will leave - you must not live on the creek and have to deal with multiple floodings of your home that now happen every year. Maybe you don't have children or elderly relatives to worry about, who will be stranded if there is an inch and a half of rain.
Two new lawsuits have been filed against Pacific Lumber, one of them by residents of Freshwater for the incredible amount of damage done to their properties thanks to Maxxam's clear-cuts. It is for this reason that so many residents of Freshwater have supported the tree-sitters, as there seems to be no justice for the normal, tax-paying citizens who are routinely suffering the consequences of an out-of-control corporation (from Houston even! The outsiders!!).
As for the Freshwater resident who wants the forest there to be destroyed so the tree-sitters will leave - you must not live on the creek and have to deal with multiple floodings of your home that now happen every year. Maybe you don't have children or elderly relatives to worry about, who will be stranded if there is an inch and a half of rain.
Two new lawsuits have been filed against Pacific Lumber, one of them by residents of Freshwater for the incredible amount of damage done to their properties thanks to Maxxam's clear-cuts. It is for this reason that so many residents of Freshwater have supported the tree-sitters, as there seems to be no justice for the normal, tax-paying citizens who are routinely suffering the consequences of an out-of-control corporation (from Houston even! The outsiders!!).
Its the deck I play with my children on every sunday morning or the wood that is my house.
Joe, give me the full, legal clarifacation on how you came about this 'theroy' on indymedia 'protecting' us from the 'truth'.
-M.M.
-M.M.
The redwood forest is an adapted forest structure which has evolved to thrive on silt deposition from periodic flooding common to the region for the past thousands of years, the forest has survived periodic fires set naturally and by native americans. The entire redwood region regenerated after the old growth ox and train logging down creeks as did the salmon runs. Where has the region lost acres of trees? In development of forestland to houses and other uses such as industrial sites and vineyards. Even the ecogroovy town of Arcata knows that a redwood forest is more productive than a housing development , and harvests their forestland yearly. I know that California imports 80% of its wood products even though 20% of its land is forested. So by exporting our demand we are doing more damage to the planet than if we conserved resources that are regulated. So the question was where will you go after all the trees are gone? All the trees will grow and provide wood for jobs and habitat if they are not converted into hosing developments or vineyards. The forests of California are the most regulated forest lands in the world. In trying to decide where in the world to harvest timber, one should consider the vigor of the forests, the stability of the soils, the effectiveness of the regulations, and the quality of the professional management expertise. In looking at a world map the most obvious places to harvest would be the west coast and southeast of the United States, Europe and New Zealand. The frozen soils of Siberia and the rainforests of Central and South America, Southeast Asia and Tropical Africa are some of the worst places. These third world countries are increasingly being harvested to supply world markets.
What are we doing by protesting?
What are we doing by protesting?
I did not use anyones quotes about the transient type people in Freshwater. That is my own observation and what I read in the sheriffs reports. As I said before I have lived in Humboldt County since 1946, and for the past 37 years in the Freshwater watershed. I have seen floods come and go in this county and Freshwater is no different now than any other time. We get our water from a spring on Palco property and have ever since we moved here. In the 1970s much of this watershed was logged including the area around my spring. We had no interruptions in our water nor was the water quality alterted. If the watershed is so bad then why hasn't the Freshwater swimming pool been covered over many time times over. It is a concrete structure that has been in place for many years with very little maintance as far as filling in. And why does the Fish Action Council keep saying the the fish returns are on the rise. They do keep records. What is this lawsuit you claim to be filed by the residents ?? I'm a resident and know nothing about it. Where is it in the court system ?? Some of you may not know that for many years the Freshwater water system was located on Palco property and was recently replaced by community water not because of palco's operations but because to many people moved to Freshwater for the old system. The last I heard the fish action council was using the water for fish rearing ponds, And where are these massive slides you all talk about. show me some hard evidence of some of your fact less claims you are making. looking forward to your response "concerned citizen " What about the sewage pit on my property ? please address that or tell me where I can deliver the crap that your people have left on my land Thank-You o'yes I love you, may the forest be with you' I'm tired of hearing that crap.
THIS IS TRUE. YOU SIT IN A TREE, YOU MARK IT FOR DEATH. go ahead. let's make lots of snags.
Why is everyone so upset with PL's rate of cut? Does no one understand the HCP/SYP? The evil empire liquidation loggers physically cannot harvest all the trees you think they can becaaaaauuuuuse:
1) 50% of the existing harvestable inventory is tied up in restrictions ie. creeks, steep slopes, or botany/biology habitat requirements. Don't blink. 50 FREAKING %!!!!! That's half the existing inventory remaining in the most critical areas. Can't cut it. Can't liquidate it. God, please don't draw attention to that.
2) PL voluntarily agreed to set aside 8 of its largest oldgrowth stands for habitat retention. This is beyond and above the hideously undervalued headwaters transaction. 2 of those stands have already been purchased and saved forever. Nobody ever mentions that.
3) The wet weather road use permit coupled with wildlife breeding restrictions only allows 90% of all logging operations to proceed for a few months out of total season. Have we been remiss in mentioning that?
Here's my advice. Quit climbing trees and marking them for death. Buy the trees if you really want to save them. Quit trespassing. Change the laws if you don't agree with them. Quit quibbling with the most over regulated timber company on earth. Concentrate on saving the trees in third world countries where there are NO REGULATIONS and the regrowth rate pales to redwood country. Oh yeah, and if you don't like it when your house floods, then don't build on the flood plane, stupid.
1) 50% of the existing harvestable inventory is tied up in restrictions ie. creeks, steep slopes, or botany/biology habitat requirements. Don't blink. 50 FREAKING %!!!!! That's half the existing inventory remaining in the most critical areas. Can't cut it. Can't liquidate it. God, please don't draw attention to that.
2) PL voluntarily agreed to set aside 8 of its largest oldgrowth stands for habitat retention. This is beyond and above the hideously undervalued headwaters transaction. 2 of those stands have already been purchased and saved forever. Nobody ever mentions that.
3) The wet weather road use permit coupled with wildlife breeding restrictions only allows 90% of all logging operations to proceed for a few months out of total season. Have we been remiss in mentioning that?
Here's my advice. Quit climbing trees and marking them for death. Buy the trees if you really want to save them. Quit trespassing. Change the laws if you don't agree with them. Quit quibbling with the most over regulated timber company on earth. Concentrate on saving the trees in third world countries where there are NO REGULATIONS and the regrowth rate pales to redwood country. Oh yeah, and if you don't like it when your house floods, then don't build on the flood plane, stupid.
Why is everyone so upset with PL's rate of cut? Does no one understand the HCP/SYP? The evil empire liquidation loggers physically cannot harvest all the trees you think they can becaaaaauuuuuse:
1) 50% of the existing harvestable inventory is tied up in restrictions ie. creeks, steep slopes, or botany/biology habitat requirements. Don't blink. 50 FREAKING %!!!!! That's half the existing inventory remaining in the most critical areas. Can't cut it. Can't liquidate it. God, please don't draw attention to that.
2) PL voluntarily agreed to set aside 8 of its largest oldgrowth stands for habitat retention. This is beyond and above the hideously undervalued headwaters transaction. 2 of those stands have already been purchased and saved forever. Nobody ever mentions that.
3) The wet weather road use permit coupled with wildlife breeding restrictions only allows 90% of all logging operations to proceed for a few months out of total season. Have we been remiss in mentioning that?
Here's my advice. Quit climbing trees and marking them for death. Buy the trees if you really want to save them. Quit trespassing. Change the laws if you don't agree with them. Quit quibbling with the most over regulated timber company on earth. Concentrate on saving the trees in third world countries where there are NO REGULATIONS and the regrowth rate pales to redwood country. Oh yeah, and if you don't like it when your house floods, then don't build on the flood plane, stupid.
1) 50% of the existing harvestable inventory is tied up in restrictions ie. creeks, steep slopes, or botany/biology habitat requirements. Don't blink. 50 FREAKING %!!!!! That's half the existing inventory remaining in the most critical areas. Can't cut it. Can't liquidate it. God, please don't draw attention to that.
2) PL voluntarily agreed to set aside 8 of its largest oldgrowth stands for habitat retention. This is beyond and above the hideously undervalued headwaters transaction. 2 of those stands have already been purchased and saved forever. Nobody ever mentions that.
3) The wet weather road use permit coupled with wildlife breeding restrictions only allows 90% of all logging operations to proceed for a few months out of total season. Have we been remiss in mentioning that?
Here's my advice. Quit climbing trees and marking them for death. Buy the trees if you really want to save them. Quit trespassing. Change the laws if you don't agree with them. Quit quibbling with the most over regulated timber company on earth. Concentrate on saving the trees in third world countries where there are NO REGULATIONS and the regrowth rate pales to redwood country. Oh yeah, and if you don't like it when your house floods, then don't build on the flood plane, stupid.
calm down brother....you make a good point...if a very angry one...why dont people sit in trees in other countries where they have even fewer and less effective environmental laws? couldnt we do something there? im sure we love trees everywhere and well...like the bible says...you dont send a doctor to those who are well....(something like that)....you dont send a tree sitter to the trees that are already about as protected as they can be (for now anyway...some day people will realize what they are destroying and decide...hey ...we shouldnt do that....) we should be where forest disappears daily....hourly.....whatever.....
Not long ago, black people in the Southern United States were admonished that registering to vote only "caused" the deaths of "good niggers." They should not "rock the boat" and "ask" for more than they were entitled to. Suddenly some homicidal, racist goons' actions were the fault of the victims they chose to lynch, burn and bomb. That all Americans, including blacks and women, now have the right to vote can be laid at the feet of the courageous men and women who refused to accept blame (responsibility?) for the actions of those in power and persisted in the face of terrible injustice in their efforts to obtain the vote. Sitting in a tree never "marks it for death." The responsibility for destroying an irreplaceable national treasure lies with those who destroy it.
I agree with your last post even if it is way off subject, but the analogy is attainable. What you don't see yet, but you soon will. It is that tree sitters are now selecting targets for cutters, ringers, and poisoners. It's called making a point. And, hey, I think all the forest animals who appreciate a good snag will applaud.
With regards to the last post by "concerned citizen":
Quit prostituting the noble legacy of the civil rights movement to lend authority to your flakey ideas. The fetus freaks use the same arguments that the tree sitters use about the civil rights movement when they try to disrupt and intimidate Planned Parenthood and other women's health facilities. And the tactic of harrassing employees at their residences, adopted locally by "forest defenders", is straight out of Operation Rescue's playbook. The "non-violent civil disobedience" practiced by "forest defenders" consists of harrassment that is intended to provoke a violent response so they can cry to their cronies in the media. And it DOES cross the line into physical violence. The right of someone to swing their fist does not end at someone else's nose; if you stop a foot away it is still assault. Contrast that with the tactics of the original civil rights sit-ins: polite black people went to segregated lunch counters and asked for the same service provided to anyone else.
Your analogy between timber workers and the haters who refer to black people as "niggers" is inflammatory and you owe an apology.
With regard to people being directly responsible for consequences of their own actions, would you be willing to apply that argument to tree sitters who deliberately endanger themselves to evade sitter removers? I doubt it. Whining about facing the consequences of their own actions has been the hallmark of "forest defenders".
Quit prostituting the noble legacy of the civil rights movement to lend authority to your flakey ideas. The fetus freaks use the same arguments that the tree sitters use about the civil rights movement when they try to disrupt and intimidate Planned Parenthood and other women's health facilities. And the tactic of harrassing employees at their residences, adopted locally by "forest defenders", is straight out of Operation Rescue's playbook. The "non-violent civil disobedience" practiced by "forest defenders" consists of harrassment that is intended to provoke a violent response so they can cry to their cronies in the media. And it DOES cross the line into physical violence. The right of someone to swing their fist does not end at someone else's nose; if you stop a foot away it is still assault. Contrast that with the tactics of the original civil rights sit-ins: polite black people went to segregated lunch counters and asked for the same service provided to anyone else.
Your analogy between timber workers and the haters who refer to black people as "niggers" is inflammatory and you owe an apology.
With regard to people being directly responsible for consequences of their own actions, would you be willing to apply that argument to tree sitters who deliberately endanger themselves to evade sitter removers? I doubt it. Whining about facing the consequences of their own actions has been the hallmark of "forest defenders".
Civil disobedience for the right to maintain a sustainable environment for ourselves and our grandchildren is, in fact, as important as civil disobedience to obtain the vote, the right to person and property, the right to a living wage, and so on. You are correct in stating that there is a difference between peaceful civil disobedience, such as that practiced by all the forest defenders I know of, and the violence offered by some extreme "right to life" groups. You may be incorrect in your assumption that it was a timber worker who is advising the tree-sitters that their actions cause the trees to be cut down. I assumed it was just a frightened person with that point of view, and not part of any identifiable group. The point is still pertinent, however--when the people are afraid of what a powerful, violent force will do if they don't accept whatever they are given, they will try to convince other people to be "good" and "quiet." People who cannot see the essential similarities between themselves and others come up with pejorative names, like "nigger" or "stinky hippie." These become part of the verbal harassment to intimidate, and to try to win others to a similar position of fear and anger.
About the 'stinky hippy' name calling. It's juvenile, but largely true; hippies smell bad. This does not need to continue. I have a few dreadhead friends whose hair and clothes do not smell of a combo of pachouli oil, sweat, piss, honey, and dope. Their personal aroma is not offensive; it doesn't violate my space. Hey, I don't like it when some guy wears too much cologne, just as I say pewyew to a woman who carries a 10 foot atmosphere of powerful perfume with her wherever she goes. You must be proud of being associated with the fringe element known as 'stinky hippy', or you would take a page out of Darrel's book and clean up in an effort to gain some respectibility. I am not saying we all have to wear suits and look the same. Fuck that. Individuals are needed. But when the first thing about you is a loud stink that offends everyone before they even see or hear you, you must expect to be treated like the garbage you often smell like. First impressions count, bro.
I've noticed that peoples' body odors seem to depend on a variety of factors, such as cultural beliefs, physical activities, access to bathing and laundry facilities, diet, use of tobacco, alcohol, or other drugs, health, age, use of perfumed products, and gender. None of these variables are moral attributes, unless you are one of the millions who do consider meat consumption immoral. You are probably correct in assessing the average American's response to body odor, as we are said to be the most odorphobic peoples on Earth. But there are some occupations, such as being on the frontlines of a desert war, or tree-sitting, where not only are showers unavailable, but suddenly trivial in comparison to what else is going on.
You are correct, sir. I can't disagree with your observations. My only question is what excuse do the people on the ground and at the rallys have?
Odorphobic we may be, but you have to admit it is distracting and disruptive to logical cognition when all you can think about is "what is that rank shit?" You know, Darrel used to smell worse than 10 wet billy goats. That's just plain obnoxious. I hadn't seen the guy in about 3 years when I was at some function, and someone said, "hey, do you know you're standing next to D.C.?" I was shocked at his appearance. No longer a stinking freakshow, he would be someone who I would listen to if I were some rich ignorant asshole from the bay area. "They're cutting the last redwoods? Really!? How can I help!"
first impressions DO count guys....but i think the term "stinky hippie" is just used as a mindless insult, not as a helpful criticism. it is true that when one smells more...shall we say natural.....than most people are used to, then they will be avoided by most people....thats just a fact. yeah its superficial, but its true....but to use the term rudely is (i think) insulting whether its true or not...name calling is not ok....people who want to function well in an intelligent society should know that :)
An interesting take on the matter is that many of the trees that are being occupied are of little value once they are dropped. They were passed over before, and possibly would have been passed over this time were it not for the socio-political significance that those trees now possess. Were those trees allowed to stand, the use of the treesit would have been legitimized and proven effective as a forest activist tool. That is a result that the timber industry can ill afford. Thus, they are willing to lose money on the trees to win a battle of ideals. It is quite possible that without treesitters, those trees would not be worth the effort of harvesting. But as it stands, all old growth is a liability for a landowner. The removal of such trees has become a necessity to protect land rights rather than an issue of profits.
Just something to think about.
Just something to think about.
Is "b" who is denouncing name calling the same one who called me a "stinky jerkface" for objecting to obnoxious stinky hippies? If "the only people who object to stinky hippies are stinky jerkfaces", as b has contended, then there are a lot of my fellow stinky jerkfaces who have posted in this and related threads. I know how to recognize a stinky hippie: the smell and the attitude that leads them to think that the smell is OK.
Will there also be a moratorium on name calling towards people who work in the timber industry?
Will there also be a moratorium on name calling towards people who work in the timber industry?
O perceptive one, you nailed it. I believe you are correct.
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