antiwar messages spray-painted on about 60 SUVs and trucks in Santa Cruz Tues night

Let's get real, and while we are at it, a brain and some creativity. These people do not represent the war movement. I've been involved politically for years against right wing nuts, and I use a truck for my business. I don't like it, but nothing else will handle my tools. People out there tagging working trucks are fucked up, plain and simple. There is no excuse for this fascism. Or lack of creativity to find a less simplistic target. Why don't you folks target the media, or war suppliers. Something that makes sense. And don't waste space bragging about idiocy.

What a counter-productive act of aggression. And yet another discredit to people fighting the Fascists in the White House. What purpose? Being naughty to get the attention of the propaganda machine? So they can use it against us? Personal rage? I understand the rage very well, it can be hard to control but not impossible to direct in much more effective ways.

I doubt the saboteurs targetted this action at people, like the prior post, using trucks to haul their tools. Let's get serious. I've never seen a Lexus/Mercedes/Cadillac SUV hauling around hammers and nails. These are status symbols that destroy the environment, put other drivers at risk, and fuel oil wars.

No, the action is not as pleasant as asking someone to sign a useless petition, but it is much more direct. It sends a very clear message that all those who fuel this war- from George Bush to the yuppie prick in gas-guzzling vanity symbol- will be held accountable.

You've lost me.
Destroying other peoples' property is NEVER acceptable.

This really hurts our movement.

If its ok to attack a person' s car, why not burn down their house? My mother's old farm house in New York burns 1500 gallons of heating oil per year. Should an old woman in the family farm be the next target?

I think not.

"Pedaling home past the duboce bikeway mural fifteen
minutes ago and getting ready to hand out some
anti-war stickers, I came across a casualty on our own
streets. A man was lying on the ground up ahead,
groceries spilled and people all around him. I asked
what happened, and a couple told me that an SUV came
around the corner, and the woman driver jabbering on a
cell didn't notice the guy and almost hit him. He hit
the driver's window to get her attention, and she did
a u-turn and came back and drove right into him. The
guy looked like his leg was broken and he was clearly
in pain. It was a woman in a black mercedes suv...."

Continue this tactic... Continue it until you piss off so much of the Average Joe's that they BEG for laws to be changed to make even legitimate protest and dissent illegal. Thanks in advance for your contribution towards the creation of a police state....

This accomplishes NOTHING

How do you know these weren't working trucks? I understand the irresistable urge to lump all suv drivers as thoughtless and self-absorbed, but it doesn't excuse the lack of brains. I'm sorry someone got ran over by an suv, but a lot of accidents are caused here in Oakland by young boys in muscle cars.
Which by the way, eat up as much gas, if not more, than an suv. I agree also that since you are so holy, you must live in a passive solar home, and not drive a car period. Not to mention get your food from a garden you grew with your own hands. And a well that utlizes
wind power only. Well, how are you stacking up so far?
Do you make the cut, or are you a hypocrite? A creatively impaired one at that.

ok so some people got sore that personal property was destroyed....but the destroyers are a part of the anti-war movement too...if you dont like that particular method of protest then dont engage in it....take part in some other form of protest.....i mean....yeah the media is gonna make it look bad...but they do that in any situation....its funny that anyone would still believe that they are going to report fairly.....i dont know...im not condoning destroying random people's property....whether it is a murder machine like an SUV or not....but you cant just say "oh well they arent part of our movement".....i mean it can be said.....but it doesnt seem right....thats alienating people too....and no matter what is done SOMEONE is going to disagree.....so i guess i am just saying everyone has to figure out what they can do to best promote the anti-war cause....and do that....instead of criticizing what other people are doing.....

i see a great deal of folks out here who like to point fingers and push their negativity around. so some suvs were tagged. the folks doing it were probably trying to spread a message. why would someone become so angry after reading another's response about this? and pleae, tell me why these same types are always trying to make sure that anyone who sees fault with the way this current society is destroying the earth is living a removed holistic lifestyle. why not question your own lifestyle and see how you can improve it for the planet and humanity?

oh, and yes... i live totally car free. i walk or bike. i grow a huge garden. i do the damn best i can. but, this didnt start by pointing fingers at others... it started by examining my own lifestyle and making sure it was one that i could defend and feel good about.

Finally! This is great! We need more of this type of action, not just in Santa Cruz, but in every city. This is the only type of action that gets any notice by the media and by the sheeple. We need to destroy and deface the symbols and property of not just the ruling class, but those of all people who provide support by remaining silent. The oppressors survive not just because of their action, but because of other's inaction. So we need to bring the fight to everyone, including all the collaborators that are doing nothing to help us.

Tagging for political purposes is always justified, that is until it’s your property that gets tagged with a political message – then it becomes a crime.

It is hilarious how you people think it is ok to break the law, but when the police do (your eyes only) they should go to jail. LOL LOL LOL

spray paint only defaces property....it does not cause injury to people or other living things......unlike throwing bricks, shooting bullets, dropping bombs, or what have you.....of course NOT hurting others is not a priority for everyone....but since we are comparing.....

I also think people concerned with the success of the anti-fascist, anti-war (and all else that comes with it) movement should consider the possibility that this may be a COINTELPRO operation or the actions of one or two people with a like frame of mind. Ditto heads are well known for their smear tactics and the war on dissent is approaching very desperate proportions.

If it's "No blood for oil" how come I see so many people with No War In Iraq on their CARS? Even SUV's??? Isn't that hypocritical? I don't own a car/truck/boat......we have to live what we preach. I think you must be true to all your ideals...

If SUV owners are indirectly to blame for this war by their contributions to American dependence on foreign oil, so are environmentalists who have fought the domestic production of oil (particularly the rich reserves off the pacific coast and in Alaska).

I'm not saying I do or don't agree with the logic, only that you can't have it both ways. Few will be swayed by an obviously partisan double standard.

-Van

We do depend too much on foreign oil. It is interesting to note, however, that we receive less than 15% from the Middle East. Europe depends on the Middle East for 1/3, and Japan for 3/4.

So spray painting an SUV destroys them completely? How does spray paint stop them from working?

Seems to me
they'll still get
from point A
to point B,
with a nice antiwar message
for all to see!

I agree that SUVs are wasteful however autos are only one part of the oil equation.Put simply: oil IS modern civilization.Most of the world's electricity comes from burning hydrocarbons. Almost all plastics are made from oil.One of the uses of oil that most disturbs me to participate in is using disposable plastic packaging.That's oil!My computer...oil.Porcelain computers?Wood?
Commercial agriculture which creates inferior contaminated crops, but at the same time is the easiest way to force nature into producing 10 times faster on 1/10th the mineral stripped, overtilled, polluted soil.Billions WILL starve if we dpn't drastically cut our oil usage and that means much more than just SUVs, however SUVs are a perfect example of the waste and stupidity.
The term "renewable resource" is sometimes misused to mean something more like "noncarcenogenic, earth friendly, green resource", which are all obviously desirable traits, however what "nonrenewable" actually means is obvious: you can make more infinately.When oil is gone it is FOREVER!If we're not ready for the crash (which we're not), we're screwed (which we are).
How screwed are we?That's up to us.

http://www.energycrisis.org

http://www.dieoff.org

The end game is police state.Don't make your neighbors beg for one.You do know how dumb your neighbors can be.They will BEG for slavery.We've all seen it before.

I agree that SUVs are wasteful however autos are only one part of the oil equation.Put simply: oil IS modern civilization.Most of the world's electricity comes from burning hydrocarbons. Almost all plastics are made from oil.One of the uses of oil that most disturbs me to participate in is using disposable plastic packaging.That's oil!My computer...oil.Porcelain computers?Wood?
Commercial agriculture which creates inferior contaminated crops, but at the same time is the easiest way to force nature into producing 10 times faster on 1/10th the mineral stripped, overtilled, polluted soil.Billions WILL starve if we dpn't drastically cut our oil usage and that means much more than just SUVs, however SUVs are a perfect example of the waste and stupidity.
The term "renewable resource" is sometimes misused to mean something more like "noncarcenogenic, earth friendly, green resource", which are all obviously desirable traits, however what "nonrenewable" actually means is obvious: you can make more infinately.When oil is gone it is FOREVER!If we're not ready for the crash (which we're not), we're screwed (which we are).
How screwed are we?That's up to us.

http://www.energycrisis.org

http://www.dieoff.org

If anyone has to frive, they should switch to biodiesel! It is so great. You can convert used (or new) cooking oil into fuel that can be used straight into any diesel engine. It is extremely environmentally friendly and cheap, since you are reusing garbage. You have to build a giant blender and add some chemicals to the cooking oil. People should chip in and create biodiesel co-ops all over, and can even sell biodiesel fuel to people who aren't members of the co-op. Check out the book "From the fryer to the fuel tank" (or something like that).

It's already been thought of, and can't be done as it's not enviro friendly...

always some smart mouth who has got to stupidly argue something .we are or should be glad that alaska did not get drilled on!some of the most precious wildlife and land left in the US.no land should be drilled we need solar energy,wind powerect.